It seemed like they have wanted to get rid of the kernel since at least the days they were sued from inter-coding IE and windows. Will be interesting to see the timeline.
-- The Internet is becoming the town square for the global village of tomorrow -- Bill Gates
People almost always do this to themselves. This is one of the reasons man came up with laws to regulate itself.
It seems the larger question at this point, is how do you properly moderate that? If the message board in the local town square was precipitating killings, it would be roped off until further notice.
I think the bigger question in all of this is "who is going to do something to help get this under control before society collapses under the weight of being afraid that regulating misinformation is a problem?" No doubt there has to be a balance, but this type of mass manipulation should not be at the fingertips of anyone with apple pay and an internet connection. Do Whatsapp and Facebook really need to be selling political advertising space?
-- One's greatest challenge is to control oneself. -- Kazi Shams
I hear people tell me that we can't move faster, because we don't want to leave part of the herd behind. Being cynical about everything is not productive.
It doesn't matter how people try to slice it, this type of data mining on this scale has ever been seen before. I hear people argue everything from "People can believe what they want", to "It's clear what fake news is", to "they are a business and they should be able to exploit the population however they want. Only the idiots would fall for it anyway." There should be limits on how this is all used. I would like to see political advertising on these social media sites banned in all forms.
We know very well what this type of mass messaging does to human beings. No one is immune from these kind of messages. Even if you did not look at the internet, you would still know what cynicism was.
I think its great that IBM is speaking on this. I think that anyone bringing this conversation to the forefront is doing a real service to the people. You can not claim to be real intellect, when your argument is "you're an idiot."
I would like to see Zuck and company do a few things differently. I'd like to see changes to who can buy ads and target people. All political ads need to come to an end on that site; if its not something tangible, no ads. The news-feed needs to go.
Facebook is not a place for news. I've never seen a productive political conversation on there. There is absolutely no reason foreign governments should be able to target individuals one by one on this level. Facebook needs to go back to serving up pictures of cats, dogs, and grandma's.
There are many times in history where people simply wouldn't have tolerated the damage done by a company like this. It is amazing to me that in a society so divided with talking points that most people have hardly thought about, that more people don't think this is completely crazy that something hasn't been done about this Facebook mess. It's like having an open bottle of poison sitting right in your living room. If it was anything else that was so harmful to people's daily lives, we would ban it and ask questions later. To me, psyops just isn't a good thing in these contexts, even for those that think it doesn't affect them.
-- You will never be able to hit a target that you cannot see. - Robin Sharma
...that in the town square where people talk and post notices, you can mostly avoid the trolls. Local governments have no shortage of laws dictating what you can say, where and when. You also typically don't have people from foreign countries and lobbyists from X company standing on soap boxes shouting at you every time you turn around in your local town.
Mark Z. Should be talking to anyone he can. For the sake of people that use this stuff, I would like to see Facebook stick to just ads for products and services. There is absolutely no reason that political ads have to be shown to people on Facebook. Isn't the entire service to connect friends and families? How does this fall under thta? Let people review these "call to arms" ads, under some link on ones Facebook page, and see how many people wantonly click on them at that point.
I get that he already talked with other governments and he's worried he'll set himself up, but at this point, the fact he hasn't cleaned the place up speaks volumes.
I'm surprised (I probably shouldn't be) that the police do not have some system in place so that these phones are cut off from communicating with anything once they have them. I'd have to think that a tampering charge is less than a murder charge.
-- Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm. -- Winston Churchill
It is a shame that so many people feel they can not simply be normal fools when trying to date. Some of the best lines come from people that feel uncomfortable, but are as normal as anyone else. It is those uncomfortable moments that people share together that help them feel closer. If you can both get through them together, it's certainly worth the date.
-- Dating is about finding out who you are and who others are. If you show up in a masquerade outfit, neither is going to happen. -- Henry Cloud
How fun to be able to tell your friends that your internet is down because you are in between balloons.
-- Meetings! Meetings! Meetings! Do they ever achieve anything or do they just let a lot of hot air out of an already over inflated balloon? Anthony T.Hincks
It sounds like you are projecting some personal test onto other people. It is hard to take you seriously when you combine these arguments as both can be subjective.
If your argument is that there is some fictional place where everyone will just get along and everyone will be at the same "place" in society, then you need look no further then communism.
-- “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.” - Johnnie Cochran
It would also be helpful if: - You transported food by llama to the sick - You transported medicine by llama to the needy - You transported people to the hospital by llama when they can't walk - You transported the llama to the dinner table when it falls off a cliff
-- When we talk about 'smart transportation,' it is more than moving cargo from A to B. - Soren Skou
Nothing like being sent to secondary screening with the presumption you have done something bad. Humans don't handle part two under these circumstances any better than I believe robots will handle part 1.
-- I make mistakes growing up. I'm not perfect; I'm not a robot - Justin Bieber
You nailed it. Accountability would be a great start.
It seems rather hysterical when all these folks are screaming about their freedom of thought, yet won't put their name on it. People are not being jailed for their political rants in the U.S. It appears the only thing they fear, is themselves and their words. By putting people's real names on it, one would hope that the conversation is tempered more towards reality instead of the ether of internet discussion boards.
-- A friend is someone that gives you total freedom to be yourself - Jim Morrison
On one hand, this is great, because it will save time. On the other hand, it seems to be the inevitable march of being tracked and recorded everywhere one goes.
On one hand, no one seems to care that they can already be pinpointed to a 100 foot spot on the planet. On the other hand, it makes it much easier to find the criminals.
On one hand, if I'm not breaking the law, it shouldn't matter. On the other hand, the US has the largest prison population on the planet.
On one hand, all this data is too much for any human to sort through. On the other hand, sic some AI bots on it and we can correlate, extrapolate and predict what people may or may not do.
On one hand, most people have done something they shouldn't have done. On the other hand, every person can be identified, and taught a lesson by the state for any past, or future transgressions.
On one hand, the technology to ID people will help things run smooth. On the other hand, we know that someone is creating an alert to notify the man, that we are back in town.
-- Don't forget to like me on Social Media! - Jimmy Fallon
It never dawned on me that someone lighting up the earth with satellites would ever make sense. Man will run this earth, without looking back, until it bites him in the ass.
-- Walking with a friend in the dark is better than walking alone in the light - Helen Keller
It seems to me that if people haven't left Facebook already, they certainly aren't going to leave it because Facebook cleans up some of the trash.
What users are going to leave en masse because Facebook doesn't show them legitimately false information? This entire argument is entirely in the ether.
I can only fathom this really comes down to them not wanting to open the "moderating" can of worms by actually trying to be responsible. Its expensive to care.
-- “People don’t care about what you say, they care about what you build.” - Mark Zuckerberg
It's terrible that they threw away all the results and claimed they were simply "fake." I'm glad someone has looked at this data. The entire process was a sham when we were told that our comments mattered.
There will be a day, not so long in the future, where people drop land lines completely, for a system that can not be spoofed, and that is encrypted end-to-end. AT&T and the like better pay attention or that business will end up in the trash heap of history.
-- Mr. Watson — Come here — I want to see you - Alexander Graham Bell
You would think that having a search engine created for China, by a United States company, would be something googlers would be behind. You can not affect change in a place where you have no market penetration. Boycotting the Chinese market of over a billion people, is really just turning your back on them.
-- If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?! - Pink Floyd
Many cultures use hallucinogens. Changing how the brain works for a limited amount of time, can have profound effects on how people view themselves and society around them. Harnessing this to help people isn't a new thing, its simply a return to things that have worked over time.
Slashdot Mirror
It seemed like they have wanted to get rid of the kernel since at least the days they were sued from inter-coding IE and windows. Will be interesting to see the timeline.
--
The Internet is becoming the town square for the global village of tomorrow -- Bill Gates
People almost always do this to themselves. This is one of the reasons man came up with laws to regulate itself.
It seems the larger question at this point, is how do you properly moderate that? If the message board in the local town square was precipitating killings, it would be roped off until further notice.
I think the bigger question in all of this is "who is going to do something to help get this under control before society collapses under the weight of being afraid that regulating misinformation is a problem?" No doubt there has to be a balance, but this type of mass manipulation should not be at the fingertips of anyone with apple pay and an internet connection. Do Whatsapp and Facebook really need to be selling political advertising space?
--
One's greatest challenge is to control oneself. -- Kazi Shams
I hear people tell me that we can't move faster, because we don't want to leave part of the herd behind. Being cynical about everything is not productive.
It doesn't matter how people try to slice it, this type of data mining on this scale has ever been seen before. I hear people argue everything from "People can believe what they want", to "It's clear what fake news is", to "they are a business and they should be able to exploit the population however they want. Only the idiots would fall for it anyway." There should be limits on how this is all used. I would like to see political advertising on these social media sites banned in all forms.
We know very well what this type of mass messaging does to human beings. No one is immune from these kind of messages. Even if you did not look at the internet, you would still know what cynicism was.
I think its great that IBM is speaking on this. I think that anyone bringing this conversation to the forefront is doing a real service to the people. You can not claim to be real intellect, when your argument is "you're an idiot."
I would like to see Zuck and company do a few things differently. I'd like to see changes to who can buy ads and target people. All political ads need to come to an end on that site; if its not something tangible, no ads. The news-feed needs to go.
Facebook is not a place for news. I've never seen a productive political conversation on there. There is absolutely no reason foreign governments should be able to target individuals one by one on this level. Facebook needs to go back to serving up pictures of cats, dogs, and grandma's.
There are many times in history where people simply wouldn't have tolerated the damage done by a company like this. It is amazing to me that in a society so divided with talking points that most people have hardly thought about, that more people don't think this is completely crazy that something hasn't been done about this Facebook mess. It's like having an open bottle of poison sitting right in your living room. If it was anything else that was so harmful to people's daily lives, we would ban it and ask questions later. To me, psyops just isn't a good thing in these contexts, even for those that think it doesn't affect them.
--
You will never be able to hit a target that you cannot see. - Robin Sharma
...that in the town square where people talk and post notices, you can mostly avoid the trolls. Local governments have no shortage of laws dictating what you can say, where and when. You also typically don't have people from foreign countries and lobbyists from X company standing on soap boxes shouting at you every time you turn around in your local town.
Mark Z. Should be talking to anyone he can. For the sake of people that use this stuff, I would like to see Facebook stick to just ads for products and services. There is absolutely no reason that political ads have to be shown to people on Facebook. Isn't the entire service to connect friends and families? How does this fall under thta? Let people review these "call to arms" ads, under some link on ones Facebook page, and see how many people wantonly click on them at that point.
I get that he already talked with other governments and he's worried he'll set himself up, but at this point, the fact he hasn't cleaned the place up speaks volumes.
--
My regrets are for the people - Chris Kyle
I'm surprised (I probably shouldn't be) that the police do not have some system in place so that these phones are cut off from communicating with anything once they have them. I'd have to think that a tampering charge is less than a murder charge.
--
Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm. -- Winston Churchill
It is a shame that so many people feel they can not simply be normal fools when trying to date. Some of the best lines come from people that feel uncomfortable, but are as normal as anyone else. It is those uncomfortable moments that people share together that help them feel closer. If you can both get through them together, it's certainly worth the date.
--
Dating is about finding out who you are and who others are. If you show up in a masquerade outfit, neither is going to happen. -- Henry Cloud
How fun to be able to tell your friends that your internet is down because you are in between balloons.
--
Meetings! Meetings! Meetings! Do they ever achieve anything or do they just let a lot of hot air out of an already over inflated balloon? Anthony T.Hincks
It sounds like you are projecting some personal test onto other people. It is hard to take you seriously when you combine these arguments as both can be subjective.
If your argument is that there is some fictional place where everyone will just get along and everyone will be at the same "place" in society, then you need look no further then communism.
--
“If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.” - Johnnie Cochran
I want to meet the person that is not completely messed up by their parents. Isn't this how it works?
--
Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein
It would also be helpful if:
- You transported food by llama to the sick
- You transported medicine by llama to the needy
- You transported people to the hospital by llama when they can't walk
- You transported the llama to the dinner table when it falls off a cliff
--
When we talk about 'smart transportation,' it is more than moving cargo from A to B. - Soren Skou
The one thing that we can deduce from this study is that 100% of the people that had appendectomies don't have an appendix anymore.
--
Together we can change the world, just one random act of kindness at a time. -- Ron Hall
Nothing like being sent to secondary screening with the presumption you have done something bad. Humans don't handle part two under these circumstances any better than I believe robots will handle part 1.
--
I make mistakes growing up. I'm not perfect; I'm not a robot - Justin Bieber
You nailed it. Accountability would be a great start.
It seems rather hysterical when all these folks are screaming about their freedom of thought, yet won't put their name on it. People are not being jailed for their political rants in the U.S. It appears the only thing they fear, is themselves and their words. By putting people's real names on it, one would hope that the conversation is tempered more towards reality instead of the ether of internet discussion boards.
--
A friend is someone that gives you total freedom to be yourself - Jim Morrison
On one hand, this is great, because it will save time. On the other hand, it seems to be the inevitable march of being tracked and recorded everywhere one goes.
On one hand, no one seems to care that they can already be pinpointed to a 100 foot spot on the planet. On the other hand, it makes it much easier to find the criminals.
On one hand, if I'm not breaking the law, it shouldn't matter. On the other hand, the US has the largest prison population on the planet.
On one hand, all this data is too much for any human to sort through. On the other hand, sic some AI bots on it and we can correlate, extrapolate and predict what people may or may not do.
On one hand, most people have done something they shouldn't have done. On the other hand, every person can be identified, and taught a lesson by the state for any past, or future transgressions.
On one hand, the technology to ID people will help things run smooth. On the other hand, we know that someone is creating an alert to notify the man, that we are back in town.
--
Don't forget to like me on Social Media! - Jimmy Fallon
And then the question becomes, how do you get everyone to believe that everything online is over-rated?
--
Kindness and politeness are not overrated at all. They're underused. -- Tommy Lee Jones
It never dawned on me that someone lighting up the earth with satellites would ever make sense. Man will run this earth, without looking back, until it bites him in the ass.
--
Walking with a friend in the dark is better than walking alone in the light - Helen Keller
It seems to me that if people haven't left Facebook already, they certainly aren't going to leave it because Facebook cleans up some of the trash.
What users are going to leave en masse because Facebook doesn't show them legitimately false information? This entire argument is entirely in the ether.
I can only fathom this really comes down to them not wanting to open the "moderating" can of worms by actually trying to be responsible. Its expensive to care.
--
“People don’t care about what you say, they care about what you build.” - Mark Zuckerberg
It's terrible that they threw away all the results and claimed they were simply "fake." I'm glad someone has looked at this data. The entire process was a sham when we were told that our comments mattered.
--
Come on, Come all -- B. Bailey
Everyone knows it and they expect it. If people didn't expect to get ripped off on some level they'd be moron's.
--
I wake up laughing -- Bruce Willis
Isn't that one of the points of the internet... to share knowledge?
--
I can't accept this! - Monica Swinton, A.I.
There will be a day, not so long in the future, where people drop land lines completely, for a system that can not be spoofed, and that is encrypted end-to-end. AT&T and the like better pay attention or that business will end up in the trash heap of history.
--
Mr. Watson — Come here — I want to see you - Alexander Graham Bell
You would think that having a search engine created for China, by a United States company, would be something googlers would be behind. You can not affect change in a place where you have no market penetration. Boycotting the Chinese market of over a billion people, is really just turning your back on them.
--
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?! - Pink Floyd
Many cultures use hallucinogens. Changing how the brain works for a limited amount of time, can have profound effects on how people view themselves and society around them. Harnessing this to help people isn't a new thing, its simply a return to things that have worked over time.
--
Here we go round the mulberry bush
Even it they spent a trillion dollars on a solar farm, @ 80% return after 25 years on 4x their annual capacity, it still works out to make sense.
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Of course, you don't have to take *my* word for it - LeVar Burton