I am thinking of what you are writing, and then I ask myself "what's the value of the attack", a few things of value come into play
A) the financial calculation of taking out the competitor, design the "attack" as a vendor specific. Enough product problems and they will stop making it and the product will become another Edsel
B) design the attack to work on specific types of networks that have specific software ( variation of the above ), take for example the security camera's, if the attack can be designed for that, a breach in the physical security system will occur or like the attack on centrifuges in Iran, sometimes you just need things to crash
C) here is where it does get scary. Design to crash the system. think automotive tesla type system, autopilot on, crash all the redundant systems first, then primaries. smack into the wall at 65mph, it's going to hurt.
Great question, air gaps protection concept, what are they. it's really rather simple but very difficult to do.
it involves securing the environment in which you operate the equipment vers all types of wave transmissions
let us just do a basic exercise. your office space with a view. A) electro, need something like a Faraday cage B) the glass - bounce a laser off the glass and I have a some of your conversations and draw the curtains so you can't peek in. C) sound- what goes via the ducts.
change all that to a computer holding case, back in the old days, you knew via the sound of the mainframe where or what job it was doing. now you need total silence....
You might be old enough to have walked into some of the old dumps as a kid, I did and what did I discover... auto parts, houses, pipes, batteries and every assortment of things in a home.
What is currently being mined in old dumps is the methane. If they can start pumping in higher oxygen air into the lower layers ( which, btw is low in O and does not rot very quickly it's like the bottom of the ocean ) you'll effectively start the decomposing processes faster, and if you can get that to kick in, the organics will produce more usable gases. once it dries up, then mine away for the heavy metals.
I bet there is a lot of gold from old computers tossed into dumps
While I do like your idea, it requires amazingly deep pockets just because of the legal defense fund, once you wake up a sleeping elephant, it takes a lot to bring it back to sleep.
I wonder what would happen if the concept was applied to the local law enforcement, I think it would be a more violent reaction.
then you did not read near the end, they knew a specific car with a specific plate at a specific location had a high probability of being at that location.
one company collects the data another sells it back
most likely they have something like a peering agreement.
Ding Ding Ding, we might have a winner. but the data is still collected in bulk
your concept is sound because you can label the side plates as no-plate ( which I believe police still use ) and that's how it's entered into the system
As many other posters may point out. it's bulk data collection. So back to the basic question. How do I prevent myself from being scanned while out on the road and being placed into this database.
I did not know that, and tar can be refined and used. if it's carefully done, I bet he can mesh the outside of the tube and have it act as a gathering area and let gravity take it down.
Many of the postings were positive outlook, So I have to ask the community, Really, do you think that a self-aware AI won't terminate half to all off of us?
Look how people argue, fight over sexual rights ( or glass ceilings ), and consistently do multiple things to harm each other.
I am basing this thought on the AI not having the laws of robotics concept as part of the coding.
some of the outcomes I can see:
A Logan's Run type life where resources are very carefully and life expectancy is a fixed measure.
Matrix/terminator life where the AI finds most of human life to be something needed but not welcomed
what I would wish for... a star trek life, where you can study and enjoy life and be productive at you own best speed adding to the mix of the AI's evolution.
well, seems like you want to see the rolling fields. and not a little forest. because that's what they would try to do. Hide it. on the second point. environmental nightmare? most likely balanced. I think Ireland has real tough laws about screwing up the land.
Sadly, someone will pay and it will be the consumer. When push comes to shove. You'll pay or you'll revolt but you will suffer.
well, my super quick rule of thumb for investment into a small city. Every 1000000 spent = 12 hours of part-time work per week in the future for staffs in that city. 1 billion is about 1000 part time jobs of 12 hours each or 300 ish long term jobs.
what is the support staff and local city staffs:
well the datacenter physical work first which is maintained inside and out security & trade's & canteen & janitorial ( which I don't put as a trade since it could be very specialized within a datacenter )
Support people for the data center and where are they spending the money locally. local food producers, shopping places and places to eat, local repair places for peoples homes and cars local delivery services.
It takes a lot of money to create a job from the start from scratch. a billion may seem like a lot, but from scratch, it's not that much for a lot of long term jobs.
Well, Never met anyone. Well, you did now. I got shot at with a load of rock salt ( It's road salt ). The only purpose is A) to scare the shit out of you and B) give you a set of welt's and bruise and cut's and a who lot of pain ( and blind an eye or both )
Got shot by a railroad track employee back in '82 who thought I was stealing from a box car.
Painful as heck, where it broke the skin i saw screaming like if it was iodine, how I know it's road salt is because it was in my was in my winter jacket.
I am from the school of cream rises to the top. with that said, not all ideas make it to the top. you are doing a literal translation of the statement instead of project leader standpoint.
Ideas are tossed into the hat. then it's shared, My perspective is that people want brainstorming, not presentation skills that charm you into doing something that you don't want.
Well put. Maybe in another light, we can also say, we are trying to become more human, like star trek, a better class of ourselves.
As we approach becoming human, we will have to deal with people that want right now, and truthfully, is a slow process to make a change. 1865 April the American civil war ended. 2018 black men are still considered suspects at Starbucks. Busing started in 1972-74 ish, to help poverty-stricken kids get to the better schools on the other side of the tracks, I just recently read about a school where that ended and it went back to being a low achievement school.
Real Change is in action like this, where failure might happen, but a few will come from it better, and slowly it grows.
I thought with open code projects ( and the very few I was doing in the 90's), You did your joy, posted the fixes and kept going ( I liked bug hunting and code optimization ).
if you are a drama queen, your access was removed from the project, by the project leader. You could always get the source code and fork over to something new.
How funny and true, this is from my perspective of the coding in the 70's to the 90's. I figured from 2010 onwards this would have stopped, but I guess not.
I really can not figure out why, but that's another thread.
Editing, that's the dangerous part, but let's keep everyone breeding because the randomness of DNA is important. Mutant's in any way, shape or form are good for humans.
Sidenote: I wonder if people who don't do vaccinations ( I think they are called anti-vaccer's ) would accept this. While not the same it seems kinda similar on the real big scale ( no the micro scale of course )
>> lets be clear editing the address line is not hacking, not in any way, shape or form
No, it is hacking in all the classical sense.Dumpster diving to get the book, moving alligator clips from one set of points to another... same idea just not classical 2600 type hacking
Slashdot Mirror
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I am thinking of what you are writing, and then I ask myself "what's the value of the attack",
a few things of value come into play
A) the financial calculation of taking out the competitor, design the "attack" as a vendor specific. Enough product problems and they will stop making it and the product will become another Edsel
B) design the attack to work on specific types of networks that have specific software ( variation of the above ), take for example the security camera's, if the attack can be designed for that, a breach in the physical security system will occur or like the attack on centrifuges in Iran, sometimes you just need things to crash
C) here is where it does get scary. Design to crash the system. think automotive tesla type system, autopilot on, crash all the redundant systems first, then primaries. smack into the wall at 65mph, it's going to hurt.
that's what I think this is for.
Great question, air gaps protection concept, what are they.
it's really rather simple but very difficult to do.
it involves securing the environment in which you operate the equipment vers all types of wave transmissions
let us just do a basic exercise. your office space with a view.
A) electro, need something like a Faraday cage
B) the glass - bounce a laser off the glass and I have a some of your conversations and draw the curtains so you can't peek in.
C) sound- what goes via the ducts.
change all that to a computer holding case, back in the old days, you knew via the sound of the mainframe where or what job it was doing. now you need total silence. ...
You might be old enough to have walked into some of the old dumps as a kid, I did and what did I discover ... auto parts, houses, pipes, batteries and every assortment of things in a home.
What is currently being mined in old dumps is the methane. If they can start pumping in higher oxygen air into the lower layers ( which, btw is low in O and does not rot very quickly it's like the bottom of the ocean ) you'll effectively start the decomposing processes faster, and if you can get that to kick in, the organics will produce more usable gases. once it dries up, then mine away for the heavy metals.
I bet there is a lot of gold from old computers tossed into dumps
While I do like your idea,
it requires amazingly deep pockets just because of the legal defense fund,
once you wake up a sleeping elephant, it takes a lot to bring it back to sleep.
I wonder what would happen if the concept was applied to the local law enforcement, I think it would be a more violent reaction.
then you did not read near the end,
they knew a specific car with a specific plate at a specific location had a high probability of being at that location.
one company collects the data
another sells it back
most likely they have something like a peering agreement.
yep, so keeping a private life is not easy to do,
that's why I am asking
Ding Ding Ding, we might have a winner.
but the data is still collected in bulk
your concept is sound because you can label the side plates as no-plate ( which I believe police still use ) and that's how it's entered into the system
that's going to fuck up someone's database LOL
while I do admire the idea, it is illegal to do that.
looking for a complete legal solution that would work
9 time out of 10
and while road tar seems like a great idea, I bet it would
be only 5 out of 10 times
As many other posters may point out. it's bulk data collection.
So back to the basic question. How do I prevent myself from
being scanned while out on the road and being placed into this database.
all while doing it legally
so what legal tricks can be deployed?
God, I just love when someone proves a point and drops the mic with code !!!
rock on and live long
I did not know that, and tar can be refined and used.
if it's carefully done, I bet he can mesh the outside of the tube and have it act as a gathering area and let gravity take it down.
thanks
Many of the postings were positive outlook, So I have to ask the community, Really, do you think that a self-aware AI won't terminate half to all off of us?
Look how people argue, fight over sexual rights ( or glass ceilings ), and consistently do multiple things to harm each other.
I am basing this thought on the AI not having the laws of robotics concept as part of the coding.
some of the outcomes I can see:
A Logan's Run type life where resources are very carefully and life expectancy is a fixed measure.
Matrix/terminator life where the AI finds most of human life to be something needed but not welcomed
what I would wish for ... a star trek life, where you can study and enjoy life and be productive at you own best speed adding to the mix of the AI's evolution.
well, seems like you want to see the rolling fields. and not a little forest. because that's what they would try to do. Hide it.
on the second point.
environmental nightmare? most likely balanced. I think Ireland has real tough laws about screwing up the land.
Sadly, someone will pay and it will be the consumer. When push comes to shove. You'll pay or you'll revolt but you will suffer.
well, my super quick rule of thumb for investment into a small city. Every 1000000 spent = 12 hours of part-time work per week in the future for staffs in that city. 1 billion is about 1000 part time jobs of 12 hours each or 300 ish long term jobs.
what is the support staff and local city staffs:
well the datacenter physical work first which is maintained inside and out
security & trade's & canteen & janitorial ( which I don't put as a trade since it could be very specialized within a datacenter )
Support people for the data center and where are they spending the money locally.
local food producers, shopping places and places to eat, local repair places for peoples homes and cars
local delivery services.
It takes a lot of money to create a job from the start from scratch.
a billion may seem like a lot, but from scratch, it's not that much for a lot of long term jobs.
Well, Never met anyone. Well, you did now.
I got shot at with a load of rock salt ( It's road salt ).
The only purpose is
A) to scare the shit out of you and
B) give you a set of welt's and bruise and cut's and a who lot of pain ( and blind an eye or both )
Got shot by a railroad track employee back in '82 who thought I was stealing from a box car.
Painful as heck, where it broke the skin i saw screaming like if it was iodine, how I know it's road salt is because it was in my was in my winter jacket.
well I asked and I got a reply
https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...
and
https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...
answer's been around forever
I am from the school of cream rises to the top.
with that said, not all ideas make it to the top.
you are doing a literal translation of the statement instead of project leader standpoint.
Ideas are tossed into the hat. then it's shared, My perspective is that people want brainstorming, not presentation skills that charm you into doing something that you don't want.
again I could be totally wrong.
Well put. Maybe in another light, we can also say, we are trying to become more human, like star trek, a better class of ourselves.
As we approach becoming human, we will have to deal with people that want right now, and truthfully, is a slow process to make a change.
1865 April the American civil war ended. 2018 black men are still considered suspects at Starbucks.
Busing started in 1972-74 ish, to help poverty-stricken kids get to the better schools on the other side of the tracks, I just recently read about a school where that ended and it went back to being a low achievement school.
Real Change is in action like this, where failure might happen, but a few will come from it better, and slowly it grows.
I thought with open code projects ( and the very few I was doing in the 90's),
You did your joy, posted the fixes and kept going ( I liked bug hunting and code optimization ).
if you are a drama queen, your access was removed from the project, by the project leader.
You could always get the source code and fork over to something new.
How funny and true, this is from my perspective of the coding in the 70's to the 90's.
I figured from 2010 onwards this would have stopped, but I guess not.
I really can not figure out why, but that's another thread.
I wonder if it will lead to a Logans Run type world
Editing, that's the dangerous part, but let's keep everyone breeding because the randomness of DNA is important. Mutant's in any way, shape or form are good for humans.
Sidenote: I wonder if people who don't do vaccinations ( I think they are called anti-vaccer's ) would accept this. While not the same it seems kinda similar on the real big scale ( no the micro scale of course )
>> lets be clear editing the address line is not hacking, not in any way, shape or form
No, it is hacking in all the classical sense.Dumpster diving to get the book, moving alligator clips from one set of points to another... same idea just not classical 2600 type hacking