"'You buy Microsoft software, and you buy it once and for all, the cost that we tell you is the total cost for ownership.' "
Yeah, like phasing out support for older OS's. And putting in new formats for the next Office iteration. I had to buy the new Office for home because those who upgraded never remember to downgrade. Not to mention that if you don't have a service contract you pay $X (I forget the number) per service call. I'm sure there are more instances of how "buy once, this is TCO" is wrong, but I'm not up to date on MS's current procedures.
What's the cost of OSS? Learning curve? Like Office 2007 didn't cause most people fits when it was released? I don't use Linux, so I'm no fanboy, but that statement was just ridiculous.
(Oh, and I graduate with my MIS degree tonight! Sorry, just happy.)
Big deal- when we would set up demo tables at conventions, if you didn't pay the dock boss, they would take their sweet 'ol time getting around to your spot. On the expense report my boss just put in "Bribes".
Why not just flood all water supplies with every drug we can think of? Hey, thorazine seems to work! Is it really the governments job to inject vitamins/minerals/animals into our water supply? Sure, flouride seems to work, and I can see this study leading to lithium being added. I wonder if I could make Riddalin(sp?][TM] bottled water? Justs seems to be getting a bit nuts to me that we have to add something to everything.
My dad has told me stories of punch cards. I'm obviously a bit newer than that. I'm not a programmer, never was (except for Basic on my Apple II), but had to take some programming classes in college. Fortran, Cobol, and oh my, machine & assembly. What a mess that was. One project was to write a clock in machine. At one point my clock was running backwards because I misaddresed two registers, or some such. 2 years ago I had to take a Java class for my masters, Even though I read/. and vaguely know what's going on, wow I was blown away with all the crap that libraries hold now. You know that decimal to roman notation that all newbies have to write? After doing that, I contemplated how I would have done that in basic 25 years ago. No way I could have made it pretty.
Feel free to make fun of me- I've never been a good programmer, which is why I went into engineering!
Or around '99. Anyway, one of our jobs was replacing token ring with ethernet! I'm talking replacing the fat cables. Ugh, that was fun. Their closets were horrendous. We had to rewire the phones, too, for some reason I forget now. The server room was completely under-AC'd. (At least they had a raised floor). All kinds of conduit issues, electrical issues (underpowered circuits, non-grounded circuit boxes). The building itself was ok, but would have to be gutted, and I'm not sure if the infrastructure would be able to handle current, modern equipment even then. I know it sounds like a lot of money, but it's probably a better move in the long term. This is purely from an equipment and infrastructure viewpoint that I saw.
Stone works for me, but the motors needed to turn those suckers are huge. I tried horses for awhile to turn them, but they just pooped on the platters, causing massive bit(or insert similar sounding joke here) errors.
Hmm, haven't had a problem with 10.5 yet. You might be right about the $130, I got mine at a student discount (joys of spending $20K for a $30 discount, I suppose).
I left out the server version because I will guess that most regular home user is going to use the server version. With MS you have 'home regular', 'home better' 'home ultimate' 'business regular' 'business super-awesome'. (Something like that, having fun).
Not sure which side you are falling on, but I still think MS keeps shoving out unfinished products out the door for more moeny.
Even ESPN is putting up stories about someone Twittering this or that. SI has a facebook page they tout every day. Now we are worried someone might want to 'impersonate' you on MySuperNetworkSite.com? Unless you are famous or have a stalker (not mutually exclusive), who the heck is going to try and impersonate you?
I got a private facebook account only because a bunch or former high school and college friends emailed me about it. It's useful since they change jobs and phone numbers occasionally.
I've seen teenagers texting each other while sitting NEXT to each other. Next we shall Twit while next to each other. I'm being out-nerded by teenagers, who have no concept of being a nerd. Web3.0 will be having conversations in person, face to face, except we will be wearing a helmet that has a flatscreen display in front and a mic for speech to text conversion. Wonder if I can patent that.
The dispatchers should not have sent the pics to anyone, not matter the pretense. Don't most high school kids already get a class where they show bloody accidents to try and scare them into driving carefully?
If the pics then just were put up somewhere, then who cares? The parents probably wouldn't even know. But some jackass(es) had to shove it in their face. Probably one of the worst things about the internet- even if you try to avoid something, someone can jack it into your space somehow. Why not just deliver the girl's head to the front door?
As for the lawsuits and everything else, I don't much care.
Even if the girl was a coked up idiot, and they were awful parents, there is no need to make it worse on the parents.
How about we just move the Eiffel Tower to the top of Mt. Everest and run a cable to the nearest electric grid(s)? From space, with every solar storm you could see Europe and/or Asia flash light Christmas with each hit!
(Someone, somewhere, is actually going to think this is a good idea.....)
You are correct (well, there may be exceptions). When you start getting into the core of the network, you basically buy a pipe into the next bigger pipe. I guess if they wanted to they could get into certified bit rate, variable bit rates and such, but as usage keeps increasing with streaming, they would be nuts to do anything but buy the entire pipe.
Sure, if we (the public) wouldn't have to pay for each increment. The view is "Win 7 is Vista SPx. Pay. Oh, Win 8 is Win 7 SP1, which is Vista SPx+1. Pay." MS's problem is that they continually release press announcements, and usually way too early. Just shut up for 8 months by saying "Next version here sometime soon". We know Apple's next OS is coming out sometime this year, but I don't think anyone really knows when or what's going to be included (I mike be wrong, I don't follow it closely). I think that's why when there are rampant rumors about the next OS X is going to "make your bed", but doesn't, no one is really upset, but when MS -releases- an early ad saying "Win pi WILL make your bed", and then it doesn't, everyone gets ticked.
If the public knows that Win 8 is coming, why upgrade to 7? A bunch already downgraded to XP. MS's marketing is a complete mess at this point. Advertise 'Bob v2' while you're at it.
I calculate the number of permutations on JUST the name variations you provided. It came out to 172,800 different combinations.
This is going to make computing better? Sure as heck not easier. "Hello, help desk"..."ok, I need for you to tell me the following 35 different things..."
I know it's fun to play with the tech, I do it, but money comes from businesses. The one thing that might be able to push *nix, bsd onto corporate desktops would be a widespread standard, the complete opposite of your points. People already complain about trying to keep up with MS's updates, now we have to deal with a potential 172,000 updates? And don't give me update managers, because now we'll need to cover 32 different update managers.
Don't know how old you are, but back in the early late '70s & early '80s there was all kinds of competition in the OS market. That was some wild west craziness- there were nearly as many hardware architectures as software. And that was just the home market. It all setteled down because people didn't want to deal with that many combos.
No, 10.4 to 10.4.1 to 10.4.2 etc. is a service pack. Since MS makes all kinds of random OS names each time, many people think that OS X 10.4.1 is "10.4 SP1", and "shouldn't that be free?". 10.0, 10.1, and sorta 10.2 weren't great upgrades. Since then each.X has been pretty significant. And at least each version is only about $100, and comes in only 1 version. (Yes, please charge me an extra $100 for 'Aero').
Flame away, I don't care. I likes what I likes, you likes what you likes.
Well, do you really expect to have a $0.44 price for shipping a box 3000 miles in a day? It's not like they have teleportation. Emergency situations cause emergency prices- an emergency room cost vs. a doctor's visit (a bit of hyperbole, yes).
I think what you meant to say was "But if it's time sensitive we have no -cheap- options".
"I'm sorry, do macs not have to reformat when you get a new CPU, GPU, Motherboard, RAM and change your RAID0 configuration from 2 drives to 3?"
CPU- no. GPU- no. RAM-no. Motherboard- never did, so I don't know. RAID- again, don't know. But you really have way too much time on your hands. You pretty much replaced nearly everything inside your case.
"Please, step back from your computer before you hurt yourself"
Please do.
And before you freak out, read my sig. I have little to no faith in any politician. But you sound as absurd as the guy that you're claiming to be projecting his own foibles. And for the record I have no party affiliation, and I do vote.
Why not use more of these? Don't most umbilical cords just get thrown away? No embryos or fetuses involved, all natural process, but still stem cells. Or am I just making too much sense in my own head?
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"'You buy Microsoft software, and you buy it once and for all, the cost that we tell you is the total cost for ownership.' "
Yeah, like phasing out support for older OS's. And putting in new formats for the next Office iteration. I had to buy the new Office for home because those who upgraded never remember to downgrade. Not to mention that if you don't have a service contract you pay $X (I forget the number) per service call. I'm sure there are more instances of how "buy once, this is TCO" is wrong, but I'm not up to date on MS's current procedures.
What's the cost of OSS? Learning curve? Like Office 2007 didn't cause most people fits when it was released? I don't use Linux, so I'm no fanboy, but that statement was just ridiculous.
(Oh, and I graduate with my MIS degree tonight! Sorry, just happy.)
10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"
20 GOTO 10
Perfectly annoying when named 'RUN_ME'
Only a 0.0! You fiend, all good drivers have at least a -1.0% nowadays!
(Sounded funnier in my head)
Big deal- when we would set up demo tables at conventions, if you didn't pay the dock boss, they would take their sweet 'ol time getting around to your spot. On the expense report my boss just put in "Bribes".
Are these criminal spiders that the British shipped over? :)
Why not just flood all water supplies with every drug we can think of? Hey, thorazine seems to work! Is it really the governments job to inject vitamins/minerals/animals into our water supply? Sure, flouride seems to work, and I can see this study leading to lithium being added. I wonder if I could make Riddalin(sp?][TM] bottled water? Justs seems to be getting a bit nuts to me that we have to add something to everything.
My dad has told me stories of punch cards. I'm obviously a bit newer than that. I'm not a programmer, never was (except for Basic on my Apple II), but had to take some programming classes in college. Fortran, Cobol, and oh my, machine & assembly. What a mess that was. One project was to write a clock in machine. At one point my clock was running backwards because I misaddresed two registers, or some such. 2 years ago I had to take a Java class for my masters, Even though I read /. and vaguely know what's going on, wow I was blown away with all the crap that libraries hold now. You know that decimal to roman notation that all newbies have to write? After doing that, I contemplated how I would have done that in basic 25 years ago. No way I could have made it pretty.
Feel free to make fun of me- I've never been a good programmer, which is why I went into engineering!
Are the scientists sure that these black holes are still free roaming, and haven't been lodged in the US federal budgets for decades?
Or around '99. Anyway, one of our jobs was replacing token ring with ethernet! I'm talking replacing the fat cables. Ugh, that was fun. Their closets were horrendous. We had to rewire the phones, too, for some reason I forget now. The server room was completely under-AC'd. (At least they had a raised floor). All kinds of conduit issues, electrical issues (underpowered circuits, non-grounded circuit boxes). The building itself was ok, but would have to be gutted, and I'm not sure if the infrastructure would be able to handle current, modern equipment even then. I know it sounds like a lot of money, but it's probably a better move in the long term. This is purely from an equipment and infrastructure viewpoint that I saw.
Stone works for me, but the motors needed to turn those suckers are huge. I tried horses for awhile to turn them, but they just pooped on the platters, causing massive bit(or insert similar sounding joke here) errors.
Hmm, haven't had a problem with 10.5 yet. You might be right about the $130, I got mine at a student discount (joys of spending $20K for a $30 discount, I suppose).
I left out the server version because I will guess that most regular home user is going to use the server version. With MS you have 'home regular', 'home better' 'home ultimate' 'business regular' 'business super-awesome'. (Something like that, having fun).
Not sure which side you are falling on, but I still think MS keeps shoving out unfinished products out the door for more moeny.
Well said. I then to wax (in)eloquent!
Even ESPN is putting up stories about someone Twittering this or that. SI has a facebook page they tout every day. Now we are worried someone might want to 'impersonate' you on MySuperNetworkSite.com? Unless you are famous or have a stalker (not mutually exclusive), who the heck is going to try and impersonate you?
I got a private facebook account only because a bunch or former high school and college friends emailed me about it. It's useful since they change jobs and phone numbers occasionally.
I've seen teenagers texting each other while sitting NEXT to each other. Next we shall Twit while next to each other. I'm being out-nerded by teenagers, who have no concept of being a nerd. Web3.0 will be having conversations in person, face to face, except we will be wearing a helmet that has a flatscreen display in front and a mic for speech to text conversion. Wonder if I can patent that.
The dispatchers should not have sent the pics to anyone, not matter the pretense. Don't most high school kids already get a class where they show bloody accidents to try and scare them into driving carefully?
If the pics then just were put up somewhere, then who cares? The parents probably wouldn't even know. But some jackass(es) had to shove it in their face. Probably one of the worst things about the internet- even if you try to avoid something, someone can jack it into your space somehow. Why not just deliver the girl's head to the front door?
As for the lawsuits and everything else, I don't much care.
Even if the girl was a coked up idiot, and they were awful parents, there is no need to make it worse on the parents.
Now you all can laugh at me for being naive.
How about we just move the Eiffel Tower to the top of Mt. Everest and run a cable to the nearest electric grid(s)? From space, with every solar storm you could see Europe and/or Asia flash light Christmas with each hit!
(Someone, somewhere, is actually going to think this is a good idea.....)
You are correct (well, there may be exceptions). When you start getting into the core of the network, you basically buy a pipe into the next bigger pipe. I guess if they wanted to they could get into certified bit rate, variable bit rates and such, but as usage keeps increasing with streaming, they would be nuts to do anything but buy the entire pipe.
Sure, if we (the public) wouldn't have to pay for each increment. The view is "Win 7 is Vista SPx. Pay. Oh, Win 8 is Win 7 SP1, which is Vista SPx+1. Pay." MS's problem is that they continually release press announcements, and usually way too early. Just shut up for 8 months by saying "Next version here sometime soon". We know Apple's next OS is coming out sometime this year, but I don't think anyone really knows when or what's going to be included (I mike be wrong, I don't follow it closely). I think that's why when there are rampant rumors about the next OS X is going to "make your bed", but doesn't, no one is really upset, but when MS -releases- an early ad saying "Win pi WILL make your bed", and then it doesn't, everyone gets ticked.
If the public knows that Win 8 is coming, why upgrade to 7? A bunch already downgraded to XP. MS's marketing is a complete mess at this point. Advertise 'Bob v2' while you're at it.
I calculate the number of permutations on JUST the name variations you provided. It came out to 172,800 different combinations.
This is going to make computing better? Sure as heck not easier. "Hello, help desk"..."ok, I need for you to tell me the following 35 different things..."
I know it's fun to play with the tech, I do it, but money comes from businesses. The one thing that might be able to push *nix, bsd onto corporate desktops would be a widespread standard, the complete opposite of your points. People already complain about trying to keep up with MS's updates, now we have to deal with a potential 172,000 updates? And don't give me update managers, because now we'll need to cover 32 different update managers.
Don't know how old you are, but back in the early late '70s & early '80s there was all kinds of competition in the OS market. That was some wild west craziness- there were nearly as many hardware architectures as software. And that was just the home market. It all setteled down because people didn't want to deal with that many combos.
No, 10.4 to 10.4.1 to 10.4.2 etc. is a service pack. .X has been pretty significant. And at least each version is only about $100, and comes in only 1 version. (Yes, please charge me an extra $100 for 'Aero').
Since MS makes all kinds of random OS names each time, many people think that OS X 10.4.1 is "10.4 SP1", and "shouldn't that be free?".
10.0, 10.1, and sorta 10.2 weren't great upgrades. Since then each
Flame away, I don't care. I likes what I likes, you likes what you likes.
Well, do you really expect to have a $0.44 price for shipping a box 3000 miles in a day? It's not like they have teleportation. Emergency situations cause emergency prices- an emergency room cost vs. a doctor's visit (a bit of hyperbole, yes).
I think what you meant to say was "But if it's time sensitive we have no -cheap- options".
"I'm sorry, do macs not have to reformat when you get a new CPU, GPU, Motherboard, RAM and change your RAID0 configuration from 2 drives to 3?"
CPU- no. GPU- no. RAM-no. Motherboard- never did, so I don't know. RAID- again, don't know.
But you really have way too much time on your hands. You pretty much replaced nearly everything inside your case.
"President Grooping"
I would like to meet this president.
"All you do is repeat what Red State tells you"
I would also like to meet Mr. Red State.
"Please, step back from your computer before you hurt yourself"
Please do.
And before you freak out, read my sig. I have little to no faith in any politician. But you sound as absurd as the guy that you're claiming to be projecting his own foibles. And for the record I have no party affiliation, and I do vote.
No, you calculate the value of a PC vs. Mac by the number of hogsheads per liter to fathoms per mile!
Perhaps the simians are smarter than Congress... at least they plan ahead.....
Why not use more of these? Don't most umbilical cords just get thrown away? No embryos or fetuses involved, all natural process, but still stem cells. Or am I just making too much sense in my own head?