It's good to see people have started using the preview button before posting. It was starting to get out of hand. Thank goodness people are using the preview button and then posting.
Having worked with numerous people age 40 and older, I've come to realize that these people are physically incapable of reading from the screen. Everything MUST be printed at all times! The ability to search through a long document is over-rated... They would rather skim page after page to find what they are looking for. It's also cool to have enormous filing cabinets and binders that hold documentation that is never referenced instead of storing it all on an archival CD-ROM. *sigh* I'm afraid to get old.
No, I normally don't consider people in their 40's old, but when you resist technology like my grandmother, it's time to retire.
I've been running Outlook without problems too, mostly because I can't find a suitable IMAP replacement that isn't SLOW as hell. Of course, I do run anti-virus and keep it updated. Doesn't everyone? AFAIK, Norton catches script exploits too, which is cool (I've had it pop up with a warning about malicious JavaScript anyway, and it has a built-in connector for Outlook).
> Sun last year bowed to market realities and accepted general-purpose Intel-compatible computers into its server line. Its first model, the LX50, uses Intel processors.
What about their Cobalt line of RaQ servers. Seems to me they "bowed to market realities" when they acquired Cobalt Systems back in 2000. The LX50 is just a Cobalt RaQ with a faster processor.
I think Cobalt servers make great low-end web servers, and they even run Sun's Brand of Linux (as does the LX50), which I believe is based on RedHat 7.2 (which they also acquired from Cobalt Systems).
I thought similarly numbered Athlons were supposed to be as fast as similarly numbered Pentiums? (ie, 2400+ = 2.4Ghz, 2800+ = 2.8GHz, etc, etc)
Even more striking is the comparison between the "(Thoroughbread) DDR333 Athlon 2400+" and the "(Thoroughbread) DDR333 Athlon 2100+". Sysmark is reporting the exact same performance (158)! Granted, it's only one application, but Tom seems to think it's relevant;)
Too bad there isn't a stability and heat dissipation comparison.
Hmm, that's a great idea. Provide legacy support for older versions only to break modern versions. Seems to me Microsoft should let Opera work on their own bugs, as they're not doing them any favors by trying to "fix" the bugs themselves.
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> But giving [Steve Jobs] an empire with Apple's acquisition of Sony might not be what were looking for right now. I think that Steve should acquire Disney for Pixar first...
Which Apple are you talking about here? The rest of us are talking about Apple Computer, Inc. [NASDAQ: AAPL]
I think this was a good idea. The press coverage this will get will make Microsoft look like incompetent assholes. It's a company making light of a monopoly trying to crush them. I usually don't take sides, since I don't really care who wins (ie, if Pepsi died tomorrow I would start drinking Coke), but it sorta makes me want to cheer for the underdog.
I think it will also get a lot of geeks who were reluctant to use it based on experience with older editions to download it again just to try it (and thus have the opportunity to remove that bad taste in the user's mouth).
> I hate substandard software, and voted with my wallet
You Mac users are all the same. The software and technologies that suit YOU best happen to be divinely better than everything else. Like Apple has never released a bug-ridden OS. ROFL!
> Chimera 0.6 build 2003020907... Mac OS X 10.2.3 build 6G30
From the who-gives-a-rats-ass dept: My microwave is running Microware Enhanced OS-9 Microkernel Build 3.13.37.
> Either the manufacturers are going to have to print the EULA on the outside of the box where you can read it before buying it or they are going to require retailers to accept returns on opened merchandise.
I see a third option: How hard would it be for Microsoft (or other company) to send a EULA booklet with every shipment? The store could have this on display or under the counter to bring out if a customer wants to see it. Seems like a cheap, simple solution to me, especially since I don't see the EULA fitting on the box anywhere and retailer stores refusing (rightly) to accept returns on open products.
> I was never accused of abusing a position of trust, profiting from any illegal activity
...seems to conflict with...
> On one occasion, I was challenged by a friend of mine to get his Sprint Foncard number. He said he would buy me dinner if I could get it. I couldn't pass up a good meal so I phoned customer service
Granted, a harmless example, but seems to be abusing someone's trust. I guess one person's profitibility is another person's free lunch.
> Also, I can't use USB drives at the machines at work (due to security risks of removing sensitive data).
*sigh* Do moderation points mean anything anymore? Well, I guess one of the following is going to have to happen then:
1. Your company goes out of business because its IT people can't figure out how to install floppy drives in its new machines.
2. Your company goes out of business because it doesn't realize there are other vendors out there who sell computers.
3. Your company has a meeting and revises the policy that will accomodate modern hardware availability.
4. Your company removes the stupid security policy (You can steal anything you want, as long as it's on a floppy disk!)
> Can I boot from a USB drive? And what about all of those install disks I still get? Hard Drive manufacturers still have their disk setup programs based on a floppy disk install.
+5 Insightful? Apparently there are other people here living in the stone age. I can hear the Mac users in here laughing their arses off already.
I don't get it. Doing what I love doesn't pay the bills. Going to work does.
Are you suggesting I find a job that I like? Easier said than done. Although I have a job now, I was previously unemployed for the past year. Out of hundreds of resumes sent out (to legitimate places who actually HAD advertisements for openings) I got 3 job offers - computer sales at Best Buy, a minimum wage job swapping tapes for a local TV station, and the job I am working at now. Obviously only one of those is worthwhile to me, but I wouldn't say I LOVE it. Should I have said, "No thank you, I'm waiting for my dream job?"
> Believe it or not my mother still has my old 486 case I gave her. She has swapped the motherboard... Not everyone has the latest and greatest of computers...
I doubt the Itanium is being marketed towards these people. Intel still sells Pentium 4's. By the time Intel is all 64-bit, that crusty 486 case prolly won't be compatible with even the oldest tech available to buy and will require an upgrade anyway. I mean, after upgrading the mainboard, power supply, memory, hard drive, video card, etc, isn't it time to buy a new computer anyway? Plus, computer prices continue to fall. Perhaps your mother won't mind buying a < $300 computer and upgrading the hell out of it to her hearts content.
Unless you are an extreme environmentalist, I don't see the value of continuously upgrading an old 486 shitbox when the Walmart special is probably just as good or better for a comparatively low price.
...and before I get flamed for devaluing old hardware, I'm sorry, 486 computers have no value for me anymore (perhaps for some, like as a phone system controller running DOS or as an interface for a big Fagor milling machine or something). I do own a Pentium 100MHz computer and it happily runs Debian as a LAMP. I wouldn't bother upgrading it though, I'd just buy a new one and sell the old one on eBay for 30 cents plus shipping.
> Well...considering the heat which Intel processors tend to generate...
Funny? Perhaps it was missed sarcasm on my part. While we're at it, maybe we could also use an Athlon processor to keep our beer cold while we watch forthcoming "Itanium 2 powers your eBusiness" commercials?
You must have C3 or Motorola on your desktop. Tell me this: Does your processor underclock itself when it detects it's overheating due to a failed CPU fan?
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"In Soviet Russia, the reduced R&D bears fruits."
No, wait, let me try again.
"In Soviet Russia, born fruit reduces R&D"
Hmmm, not quite, one more time...
"In Soviet Russia, fruit bears reduced R&D"
Ahh, that sounds better.
It's good to see people have started using the preview button before posting. It was starting to get out of hand. Thank goodness people are using the preview button and then posting.
> Now China gets to see the source, and we don't?
Let's hope to God they don't get to see the source to IIS, or we're all doomed.
HELLO! Inacessable Boot Device, Performing Memory Dump! Hacked By Chinese!
> Read it on the screen people, not on paper!
Having worked with numerous people age 40 and older, I've come to realize that these people are physically incapable of reading from the screen. Everything MUST be printed at all times! The ability to search through a long document is over-rated... They would rather skim page after page to find what they are looking for. It's also cool to have enormous filing cabinets and binders that hold documentation that is never referenced instead of storing it all on an archival CD-ROM. *sigh* I'm afraid to get old.
No, I normally don't consider people in their 40's old, but when you resist technology like my grandmother, it's time to retire.
I've been running Outlook without problems too, mostly because I can't find a suitable IMAP replacement that isn't SLOW as hell. Of course, I do run anti-virus and keep it updated. Doesn't everyone? AFAIK, Norton catches script exploits too, which is cool (I've had it pop up with a warning about malicious JavaScript anyway, and it has a built-in connector for Outlook).
> Sun last year bowed to market realities and accepted general-purpose Intel-compatible computers into its server line. Its first model, the LX50, uses Intel processors.
What about their Cobalt line of RaQ servers. Seems to me they "bowed to market realities" when they acquired Cobalt Systems back in 2000. The LX50 is just a Cobalt RaQ with a faster processor.
I think Cobalt servers make great low-end web servers, and they even run Sun's Brand of Linux (as does the LX50), which I believe is based on RedHat 7.2 (which they also acquired from Cobalt Systems).
Sysmark 2002 Benchmark
I thought similarly numbered Athlons were supposed to be as fast as similarly numbered Pentiums? (ie, 2400+ = 2.4Ghz, 2800+ = 2.8GHz, etc, etc)
Even more striking is the comparison between the "(Thoroughbread) DDR333 Athlon 2400+" and the "(Thoroughbread) DDR333 Athlon 2100+". Sysmark is reporting the exact same performance (158)! Granted, it's only one application, but Tom seems to think it's relevant ;)
Too bad there isn't a stability and heat dissipation comparison.
IBM ThinkPads work well with Linux. You might have to sell the farm to afford one, but they're quality.
Hmm, that's a great idea. Provide legacy support for older versions only to break modern versions. Seems to me Microsoft should let Opera work on their own bugs, as they're not doing them any favors by trying to "fix" the bugs themselves.
> But giving [Steve Jobs] an empire with Apple's acquisition of Sony might not be what were looking for right now. I think that Steve should acquire Disney for Pixar first...
Which Apple are you talking about here? The rest of us are talking about Apple Computer, Inc. [NASDAQ: AAPL]
I think this was a good idea. The press coverage this will get will make Microsoft look like incompetent assholes. It's a company making light of a monopoly trying to crush them. I usually don't take sides, since I don't really care who wins (ie, if Pepsi died tomorrow I would start drinking Coke), but it sorta makes me want to cheer for the underdog.
I think it will also get a lot of geeks who were reluctant to use it based on experience with older editions to download it again just to try it (and thus have the opportunity to remove that bad taste in the user's mouth).
> I hate substandard software, and voted with my wallet
You Mac users are all the same. The software and technologies that suit YOU best happen to be divinely better than everything else. Like Apple has never released a bug-ridden OS. ROFL!
> Chimera 0.6 build 2003020907 ... Mac OS X 10.2.3 build 6G30
From the who-gives-a-rats-ass dept: My microwave is running Microware Enhanced OS-9 Microkernel Build 3.13.37.
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> Otherwise they become managers :D
At my last job you were allowed to make 3 major mistakes, then they made you a manager.
> Either the manufacturers are going to have to print the EULA on the outside of the box where you can read it before buying it or they are going to require retailers to accept returns on opened merchandise.
I see a third option: How hard would it be for Microsoft (or other company) to send a EULA booklet with every shipment? The store could have this on display or under the counter to bring out if a customer wants to see it. Seems like a cheap, simple solution to me, especially since I don't see the EULA fitting on the box anywhere and retailer stores refusing (rightly) to accept returns on open products.
> I was never accused of abusing a position of trust, profiting from any illegal activity
...seems to conflict with...
> On one occasion, I was challenged by a friend of mine to get his Sprint Foncard number. He said he would buy me dinner if I could get it. I couldn't pass up a good meal so I phoned customer service
Granted, a harmless example, but seems to be abusing someone's trust. I guess one person's profitibility is another person's free lunch.> Also, I can't use USB drives at the machines at work (due to security risks of removing sensitive data).
*sigh* Do moderation points mean anything anymore? Well, I guess one of the following is going to have to happen then:
1. Your company goes out of business because its IT people can't figure out how to install floppy drives in its new machines.
2. Your company goes out of business because it doesn't realize there are other vendors out there who sell computers.
3. Your company has a meeting and revises the policy that will accomodate modern hardware availability.
4. Your company removes the stupid security policy (You can steal anything you want, as long as it's on a floppy disk!)
> Can I boot from a USB drive? And what about all of those install disks I still get? Hard Drive manufacturers still have their disk setup programs based on a floppy disk install.
+5 Insightful? Apparently there are other people here living in the stone age. I can hear the Mac users in here laughing their arses off already.
> Easily accessible USB ports is my main gripe about this idea
Look here and here and here.
> Do what you love.
I don't get it. Doing what I love doesn't pay the bills. Going to work does.
Are you suggesting I find a job that I like? Easier said than done. Although I have a job now, I was previously unemployed for the past year. Out of hundreds of resumes sent out (to legitimate places who actually HAD advertisements for openings) I got 3 job offers - computer sales at Best Buy, a minimum wage job swapping tapes for a local TV station, and the job I am working at now. Obviously only one of those is worthwhile to me, but I wouldn't say I LOVE it. Should I have said, "No thank you, I'm waiting for my dream job?"
Check out what these guys are doing!
> Or maybe he admitted to owning a copy of Windows XP?
Don't you mean OS X? Oh wait...
> Believe it or not my mother still has my old 486 case I gave her. She has swapped the motherboard ... Not everyone has the latest and greatest of computers ...
...and before I get flamed for devaluing old hardware, I'm sorry, 486 computers have no value for me anymore (perhaps for some, like as a phone system controller running DOS or as an interface for a big Fagor milling machine or something). I do own a Pentium 100MHz computer and it happily runs Debian as a LAMP. I wouldn't bother upgrading it though, I'd just buy a new one and sell the old one on eBay for 30 cents plus shipping.
I doubt the Itanium is being marketed towards these people. Intel still sells Pentium 4's. By the time Intel is all 64-bit, that crusty 486 case prolly won't be compatible with even the oldest tech available to buy and will require an upgrade anyway. I mean, after upgrading the mainboard, power supply, memory, hard drive, video card, etc, isn't it time to buy a new computer anyway? Plus, computer prices continue to fall. Perhaps your mother won't mind buying a < $300 computer and upgrading the hell out of it to her hearts content.
Unless you are an extreme environmentalist, I don't see the value of continuously upgrading an old 486 shitbox when the Walmart special is probably just as good or better for a comparatively low price.
> is releasing a 2-disc special edition DVD of The Matrix (loaded with extras)
Hmmm, why didn't I get this the FIRST TIME I bought the movie?
> What new stuff runs on VMS these days?
Mozilla, Java, Oracle, Perl, BEA WebLogic and an Apache variant. Ok, maybe not all new, but have modern applications.
> Well...considering the heat which Intel processors tend to generate...
Funny? Perhaps it was missed sarcasm on my part. While we're at it, maybe we could also use an Athlon processor to keep our beer cold while we watch forthcoming "Itanium 2 powers your eBusiness" commercials?
You must have C3 or Motorola on your desktop. Tell me this: Does your processor underclock itself when it detects it's overheating due to a failed CPU fan?