I'd have welcomed the sort of discussion around it that you're engaged in because even if it *is* a bad idea, it's very hard for me to see why it isn't one that isn't worth exploring.
I wrote a pretty in depth follow up to your post, but after I hit the submit button I didn't see it
again....
Main points:
Linux will be Free (to certain people) Software. This will no longer be Free Software.
It will make it harder for companies to change to Linux, if they have used SCO before.
It will send a message to companies that we will change our licenses to screw companies over.
This week it's SCO, next week it could be you. (Not everybody see's the SCO vs Linux as clear
cut as you and I). This will be bad for free
software.
Implementation would be hard. Would every body agree?
Enforcement would make us look bad. You've
got enforce it to or it's not much use. But then
you are starting to sue your own customers and users, just because they made a choice to use SCO
and Linux. Last I checked Free Software was about
freedom of choice, not forcing people to make choices.
SCO are playing a game that can't be won, if
try and beat them at there own game (licensing bullshit) we will lose.
At $799 per node, IBM would not use linux
to run on muilt 1000 cpu machine (or submit
the relative fixes and patches, not to mention
the testing and scalability experience we get
from it).
More companies would turn to BSD for when
looking at using an open source OS.
Many companies use SCO because they have to
support a version of their software on SCO for
a customer, often under contractual obligation.
If this company was a heavy in house Linux user
they would have switch to some other OS or incur
heavy costs. (Many place develope on Linux and
sell on Solaris.)
I cannot see a company going, "oh, well just
change our business model/mode of operation,
so we can continue using linux". Which board
of directors is going approve ditching their customers which use SCO so they can continue
to let the developers use Linux?
Why won't we put the price up again if people
start paying? We would have already put the price
of free software up once - why not again?
Bottom line: Free Software is powerfull because
it's free. These abuses will happen, we have
methods of fighting these, it will be a long
battle. Donating money to the FSF is an effective
way of fueling our methods of fight these people.
I can understand why you would get flamed for that.
and customers of SCO, who could only use it if they were prepared to pay $799 per processor to the Free Software Foundation.
So companies such as IBM, SUN, SGI and dozens of other smaller companies would have to pay $799,
per cpu, for Linux license.
is that going to help GNU/Linux in any way? For
IBM to run Linux on 16,000 processor box would cost almost $13 Million.
Pretty much everybody who has anything to do with
"UNIX(tm)" is a customer of SCO. I don't think this is a good idea, infact it would be a very bad thing for linux to do this....
Now, are you sure you got flame, and it wasn't
just a bunch of people telling you it was a bad
idea?
While that will apply to commercially produced equipment, it probably won't apply to open source projects.
One such open source project might be GNUradio,
which I'm sure will lead to another battle of open source/free software getting accused of being only
writen/used for piracy.
While I profess that I don't actually watch any TV, ever. I must say I'm really interested in using GNUradio to broadcast my own HDTV TV Station
Channel.
Ah yes, B.S.T.V. hijacking the airwaves near you soon.... or maybe not.
I for one am glad to see this company hurt,
as a geek it was really hard sticking to my
morals and voting with my dollar and not buying
there camera's and power controllers.
Hey X10, if you had never used those silly
popup things I would have bought your product.
(Of course if they didn't use those silly
popup things then you wouldn't have to file
chptr 11.....)
Ever since the dawn of powered flight, it has been necessary for all aircraft to carry onboard fuel - whether in the form of batteries, fuel, solar cells, or even a human "engine" - in order to stay aloft.
But a team of researchers from NASA......is trying to change that
But how does it work Bob:
The laser tracks the aircraft in flight, directing its energy beam at specially designed photovoltaic cells carried onboard to power the plane's propeller.
Now how do 'solar cells' count as fuel when
'photovoltaic cells' don't?
One reason the media corporations might not be interested in covering something like the Diebold situation is that there's little corporations hate more than uncertainty. The ability to rig elections via voting machines like the Diebold ones introduces certainty into the election process itself. While the current situation means that the person elected will probably be someone favorable to the corporations that own the media (at the very least), the ability to rig an election will make that a certainty.
So, what you are saying is that, even though Diebold's ability to rig elections will stop
big media companies having (almost) total control
over elections, it's willing to cover Diebold's
ass, because Diebold will probably (s)elect somebody who will help out big media companies?
That's a pretty weak conspiracy theory. I think it would hold a lot more water if you'd just claim
that this is the Bush (or long term neo-nazi/neo-conservative interest) way of ensuring control over (s)elections in America.
Now, having said that, I use VTUN and haven't had any problems. But then again, I also have the boxen firewalled to hell and back, no services allowed but SSH from a few known hosts, no root SSH, etc. So even if you do crack my key, you're not getting much that will get you anywhere.
That's the spirt, I like to see people with faith in the software they use and the way they configured it!
What if manufacture of the slug (or whatever the term for the lead is) gets banned?
Have you heard of a bullet mold? Lead is so easy
to get a hold of... Bullet molds are really easy
to use.
Infact, the whole firearm thing hasn't really advanced passed the average persons ability to
make and supply weapon and components. Making
a gun isn't the easiest thing, but it's no where
near as hards making a microchip. Reloading is
easy once you have a press. Making gun powder is easy (smokeless is a little harder). There isn't going to be any easy way to stop fire arms and replace them with a more complex and restricted replacement.
In fact, the only way you could do that would be to dumb down the people so they didn't know you could do all of this stuff yourself.... maybe that is happening....
> Did you know in Las Vegas they install cell phone disrupters in the casinos?
Where can I get one of those? I need a portable one I can set up in restaurants and movie theaters, not to mention the really high power one for my car...
Hmmm, you'd probably find yourself getting rear ended buy cellphone using drivers who are wondering where thier signal when...
Yes, but why would a subscriber do that? The whole point is to be ahead of the mob and thus to avoid the/. effect.
Does anybody else see this as Slashdot charging people to view a website, that would normally be
free for all to view? (Since when everybody, i.e. the unpaid, goto view it will endup going down.)
Since in many cases this can endup costing the website owner, will Slashdot endup paying for bandwidth and downtime which the website will have to go though?
I guess if you not paying to be slashdotted, you should be paid to be slashdotted....?
Use your mind for once, please? If we bomb iraq and kill a couple hundred people, that is nothing compared to what Saddam has done to the iragis and you support him.
How is this year different from the other 20 years that Saddam has been doing this. When he using chemical weapons agains minorities in Iraq that supported Iran, all we said was "that wasn't nice", but we certainly didn't care to invade his country because of it (and we didn't stop supplying more weapons to him either). So who supported him then? Oh! we did!
Now our oil is getting low and we need a lot more of... so we will take a Iraq and make it into a country similar to Saudi, problem the people of Saudi don't like this, because it's effectively a US supported dictatorship. If we really think Arabs should have democracy, why don't we start with Saudi?
Now as far as the "it's about France wanting the oil", because they want the oil embargo lifted, we people seem to have forgotten why Iraq invade Kuwait in the first place. Saddam was trying to stop the Arab world selling all it's oil, because once it runs out they ain't any more. Arabs should save there oil for future Arab generations and not sell it all to over seas oil companies in one mans life time. Rumailah oil field is mainly in Iraq, with 5% of it under Kuwait, and Kuwait was going to pump it dry (compare the number of people in Kuwait to that of Iraq? is it fair the Kuwait get's to sell all the oil while future Iraqis get none?).
Does Europe have a flag, anyway? Ok, so I'm showing off my ignorance, but if the European Space Agency plants a flag on the moon, which flag will it be?
Yep, it's ignorance alright.;-)
The European Flag for you enjoyment. For those watching in black and white, it's a blue flag with a ring of 12 gold stars.
Now, I'm going to take a guess that there is a high chance you don't know what the Iraqi flag looks like. In fact, very few Americans seem to know what the Iraqi flag looks like, yet they will bomb the country anyway... I wonder if this is how America always manages to bomb it's allies when they go to war.
Actually, I suspect the mission will be held up indefinitely will they invent new words in French for all the equipment involved.
OR if America is going to change
all it's French words for some what less French words, the Shuttle will never rendezvous with the Space Station again. What's your high in meters?
However, read about Chinese hacking some time. Things like "Code Red" and "Code Blue" are just two of the major viruses propagated by the Chinese. Just do a Google search on "Hacked by Chinese" sometime, if you want to do some research.
Giving you the benifit of the doubt (i.e. not pointing out that it could be a frame up and anybody could hack something and blame 'chinese'), how many major viruses have western origins? How many computers are web sites have been hacked by westerns?....
Hmmm - So MS took their windows source, compiled it, modified the code to remove the backdoors, and sent it to China. To ensure that China aren't then going to modify the source, they make sure the source is not buildable - Have in the agreement that they don't give China some important part of the building process.
And even if the Chinese government (or who ever) was able to compile the sources and end up with a production quality system, they would have to have even line of source of every tool used, other wise there is no way of know if the compiler has placed security wholes in the binary or one of the other tools (resource compiler, linker, etc.) has an security flaw.
It's probably still going to be in there best interest to stick with Linux.
It would be easy to not do that for Mandarin and various dialects (ones that don't use the same written form)
I'd just like to point out that even though China has many spoken dialects, Mandarin, Cantonese, Yue, etc., there is only one written language and that is common across all dialects.
In other words, unless you are driving the über-huge Lincoln Navigator (17 MPG), or one of those Ethanol-only vehicles (which typically get about 5 MPG less), you are probably getting something like 20-25 MPG on the highway. Even "big trucks" like the Ford F-150 usually get 20 MPG, depending on the configuration.
I don't really see that this is the case, the cars I've listed aren't the low end versions, but they are not monster trucks either.
You mean the US way? Making armor breaking ammo out of atomic waste and spray it over those countries.
Where are the Iraq children going to play? On old tanks that where shot with U238 shells? The women of Iraq are scared to give birth because the child mortality rate is so high. They can't get the equipment to diagnose the problems because it contains radio active material and is there for on the banned list...
Why would they use glass instead of something like "lexan." Lexan is somewhat of a clear plastic-type material, often used as "bulletproof glass." I've heard that local lumber yards also use them as shields, since a 2-3" piece can stop a speeding log from caving in one's head. Should be able to survive water pressure,etc as well?
Actually, most submarines use Acrylic for the windows. It's normal pretty thick (1 inch and more depending on the depth you are going to). The windows or viewports tend to be the more pricy bits. Acrylic has an interesting property that lexan doesn't. When lexan fails, it just fails, but Acrylic with turn a milky color long (hours) before it fails, give you ample time to get to the surface.
Actually, the way the subs work (most modern anyway) is that they pump WATER into the air tanks, compressing the air and creatting a pressure (and making the tank HEAVIER).
I've never heard of this before, and I think there are a couple of reasons why. If you tanks contain air on the surface and you pump water into the tanks compressing the air. Then your sub dives to 33 feet, you open the valve to let the water out, but because of the external water pressure only half the water get pushed out, you would have to pressurise the tanks on the surface for you system to work, but that means you need to do a lot of work pumping water in just to sink (now try that at 1000feet or deeper).
They are two types of balast tanks, hard and soft. The main balast tanks that keep the sub floating on the surface are normally "soft", they do not hold pressure and are normally open at the bottom
(it's the same pressure inside and outside of the tank). When a sub is near the surface compressed air is injected into these tanks forcing the water out of the botton.
Hard tanks are normally inside the sub and are at 1ATM pressure. These are smaller and used to fine tune the submarines bouancey by pumping water in or out using an electric pump (the air in the tank doesn't push the water out). If there was a power failure the hard tanks could be emptied using high pressure air
Most subs DO have compressors to add more air pressure (and there for empty the tanks faster and more completly) however they can surface with out these (in the case of a major power failure).
The compressor is only for filling the high pressure air tanks while on the surface. And in the event of a major power failure, high pressure air still works fine (you just turn a valve and the air will flow).
Also most modern subs have a way to drop excess weight, like propellors and engine parts via explosive bolts (again for emergency procedures).
This true, but because a submarine need to weight the same as the water it displaces and the submarine is mainly air they all need heavy lead weights to allow them to sink. These weight are normally attached using explosive (which aren't very reliable) or some sort of lever to release them.
I'm sorry, i hate to inject some REAL knowledge about subs.
Slashdot Mirror
You know, that some where some CEO will read this
and think "hey, no viruses and no games? Sounds like
it would increase productivity".....
I wrote a pretty in depth follow up to your post, but after I hit the submit button I didn't see it again....
Main points:
I cannot see a company going, "oh, well just change our business model/mode of operation, so we can continue using linux". Which board of directors is going approve ditching their customers which use SCO so they can continue to let the developers use Linux?
Why won't we put the price up again if people start paying? We would have already put the price of free software up once - why not again?
Bottom line: Free Software is powerfull because it's free. These abuses will happen, we have methods of fighting these, it will be a long battle. Donating money to the FSF is an effective way of fueling our methods of fight these people.
and customers of SCO, who could only use it if they were prepared to pay $799 per processor to the Free Software Foundation.
So companies such as IBM, SUN, SGI and dozens of other smaller companies would have to pay $799, per cpu, for Linux license. is that going to help GNU/Linux in any way? For IBM to run Linux on 16,000 processor box would cost almost $13 Million.
Pretty much everybody who has anything to do with "UNIX(tm)" is a customer of SCO. I don't think this is a good idea, infact it would be a very bad thing for linux to do this....
Now, are you sure you got flame, and it wasn't just a bunch of people telling you it was a bad idea?
While that will apply to commercially produced equipment, it probably won't apply to open source projects. One such open source project might be GNUradio, which I'm sure will lead to another battle of open source/free software getting accused of being only writen/used for piracy.
While I profess that I don't actually watch any TV, ever. I must say I'm really interested in using GNUradio to broadcast my own HDTV TV Station Channel.
Ah yes, B.S.T.V. hijacking the airwaves near you soon.... or maybe not.
Hey X10, if you had never used those silly popup things I would have bought your product. (Of course if they didn't use those silly popup things then you wouldn't have to file chptr 11.....)
I will drink tonight and enjoy my victory!
Ever since the dawn of powered flight, it has been necessary for all aircraft to carry onboard fuel - whether in the form of batteries, fuel, solar cells, or even a human "engine" - in order to stay aloft.
But a team of researchers from NASA......is trying to change that
But how does it work Bob:
The laser tracks the aircraft in flight, directing its energy beam at specially designed photovoltaic cells carried onboard to power the plane's propeller.
Now how do 'solar cells' count as fuel when 'photovoltaic cells' don't?
So, what you are saying is that, even though Diebold's ability to rig elections will stop big media companies having (almost) total control over elections, it's willing to cover Diebold's ass, because Diebold will probably (s)elect somebody who will help out big media companies?
That's a pretty weak conspiracy theory. I think it would hold a lot more water if you'd just claim that this is the Bush (or long term neo-nazi/neo-conservative interest) way of ensuring control over (s)elections in America.
That's the spirt, I like to see people with faith in the software they use and the way they configured it!
So go on, post your IP address. Please!
It wouldn't be that bad, all you'd have to do is close all the windows and try again...
Have you heard of a bullet mold? Lead is so easy to get a hold of... Bullet molds are really easy to use.
Infact, the whole firearm thing hasn't really advanced passed the average persons ability to make and supply weapon and components. Making a gun isn't the easiest thing, but it's no where near as hards making a microchip. Reloading is easy once you have a press. Making gun powder is easy (smokeless is a little harder). There isn't going to be any easy way to stop fire arms and replace them with a more complex and restricted replacement.
In fact, the only way you could do that would be to dumb down the people so they didn't know you could do all of this stuff yourself.... maybe that is happening....
Ayam 3d (3D modeling package)
Source-Navigator (Source code browser and more)
Insight (gdb GUI)
Where can I get one of those? I need a portable one I can set up in restaurants and movie theaters, not to mention the really high power one for my car...
Hmmm, you'd probably find yourself getting rear ended buy cellphone using drivers who are wondering where thier signal when...
Does anybody else see this as Slashdot charging people to view a website, that would normally be free for all to view? (Since when everybody, i.e. the unpaid, goto view it will endup going down.)
Since in many cases this can endup costing the website owner, will Slashdot endup paying for bandwidth and downtime which the website will have to go though?
I guess if you not paying to be slashdotted, you should be paid to be slashdotted....?
How is this year different from the other 20 years that Saddam has been doing this. When he using chemical weapons agains minorities in Iraq that supported Iran, all we said was "that wasn't nice", but we certainly didn't care to invade his country because of it (and we didn't stop supplying more weapons to him either). So who supported him then? Oh! we did!
Now our oil is getting low and we need a lot more of... so we will take a Iraq and make it into a country similar to Saudi, problem the people of Saudi don't like this, because it's effectively a US supported dictatorship. If we really think Arabs should have democracy, why don't we start with Saudi?
Now as far as the "it's about France wanting the oil", because they want the oil embargo lifted, we people seem to have forgotten why Iraq invade Kuwait in the first place. Saddam was trying to stop the Arab world selling all it's oil, because once it runs out they ain't any more. Arabs should save there oil for future Arab generations and not sell it all to over seas oil companies in one mans life time. Rumailah oil field is mainly in Iraq, with 5% of it under Kuwait, and Kuwait was going to pump it dry (compare the number of people in Kuwait to that of Iraq? is it fair the Kuwait get's to sell all the oil while future Iraqis get none?).
Yep, it's ignorance alright. ;-)
The European Flag for you enjoyment. For those watching in black and white, it's a blue flag with a ring of 12 gold stars.
Now, I'm going to take a guess that there is a high chance you don't know what the Iraqi flag looks like. In fact, very few Americans seem to know what the Iraqi flag looks like, yet they will bomb the country anyway... I wonder if this is how America always manages to bomb it's allies when they go to war.
OR if America is going to change all it's French words for some what less French words, the Shuttle will never rendezvous with the Space Station again. What's your high in meters?
Maybe with a silent 'M'...
Is that fast than ADSL?
Giving you the benifit of the doubt (i.e. not pointing out that it could be a frame up and anybody could hack something and blame 'chinese'), how many major viruses have western origins? How many computers are web sites have been hacked by westerns?....
And even if the Chinese government (or who ever) was able to compile the sources and end up with a production quality system, they would have to have even line of source of every tool used, other wise there is no way of know if the compiler has placed security wholes in the binary or one of the other tools (resource compiler, linker, etc.) has an security flaw.
It's probably still going to be in there best interest to stick with Linux.
I'd just like to point out that even though China has many spoken dialects, Mandarin, Cantonese, Yue, etc., there is only one written language and that is common across all dialects.
Make/Model: City / Highway / Observed
Chevy TrailBlazer: 16 / 20 / 14.6
Dodge Durango SLT: 13 / 17 / 12.7
Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer: 16 / 20 / 16
Honda Passport EX-L: 16 / 20 / 14.8
Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo: 16 / 21 / 15.4
Mitsubishi Montero Sport Limited: 16 / 20 / 15.7
Nissan Pathfinder LE: 15 / 19 / 14.1
Toyota 4Runner SR5 Highlander: 17 / 19 / 17.4
My source is Edmunds.
In other words, unless you are driving the über-huge Lincoln Navigator (17 MPG), or one of those Ethanol-only vehicles (which typically get about 5 MPG less), you are probably getting something like 20-25 MPG on the highway. Even "big trucks" like the Ford F-150 usually get 20 MPG, depending on the configuration.
I don't really see that this is the case, the cars I've listed aren't the low end versions, but they are not monster trucks either.
You mean the US way? Making armor breaking ammo out of atomic waste and spray it over those countries.
Where are the Iraq children going to play? On old tanks that where shot with U238 shells? The women of Iraq are scared to give birth because the child mortality rate is so high. They can't get the equipment to diagnose the problems because it contains radio active material and is there for on the banned list...
Actually, most submarines use Acrylic for the windows. It's normal pretty thick (1 inch and more depending on the depth you are going to). The windows or viewports tend to be the more pricy bits. Acrylic has an interesting property that lexan doesn't. When lexan fails, it just fails, but Acrylic with turn a milky color long (hours) before it fails, give you ample time to get to the surface.
I've never heard of this before, and I think there are a couple of reasons why. If you tanks contain air on the surface and you pump water into the tanks compressing the air. Then your sub dives to 33 feet, you open the valve to let the water out, but because of the external water pressure only half the water get pushed out, you would have to pressurise the tanks on the surface for you system to work, but that means you need to do a lot of work pumping water in just to sink (now try that at 1000feet or deeper).
They are two types of balast tanks, hard and soft. The main balast tanks that keep the sub floating on the surface are normally "soft", they do not hold pressure and are normally open at the bottom (it's the same pressure inside and outside of the tank). When a sub is near the surface compressed air is injected into these tanks forcing the water out of the botton.
Hard tanks are normally inside the sub and are at 1ATM pressure. These are smaller and used to fine tune the submarines bouancey by pumping water in or out using an electric pump (the air in the tank doesn't push the water out). If there was a power failure the hard tanks could be emptied using high pressure air
Most subs DO have compressors to add more air pressure (and there for empty the tanks faster and more completly) however they can surface with out these (in the case of a major power failure).
The compressor is only for filling the high pressure air tanks while on the surface. And in the event of a major power failure, high pressure air still works fine (you just turn a valve and the air will flow).
Also most modern subs have a way to drop excess weight, like propellors and engine parts via explosive bolts (again for emergency procedures).
This true, but because a submarine need to weight the same as the water it displaces and the submarine is mainly air they all need heavy lead weights to allow them to sink. These weight are normally attached using explosive (which aren't very reliable) or some sort of lever to release them.
I'm sorry, i hate to inject some REAL knowledge about subs.
Don't worry too much about that....;-)