Absolutely Right on -- If they are not Open Source I'll just suffer a little less and use Intel's Open Sourced chipset with 3D. It seems to work good enough on my Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon Tribe 5 test system. Now this is going to push 3D card vendors to open up their code or open up their hardware documentation for open code to be written.
Maybe it could be equipped with a gatlin-gun style rubber band shooter. Or cold water squirt gun. Fly it over the beach and squirt the sunbathers!
Liberty is paramount. Go ahead with it, maybe in a few years we will need it to protect us from our own government here in the US.
I'm voting for Ron Paul. It's time we remove our military presence from the Middle East and other places abroad. It is our meddeling in middle eastern affairs that is the cause of the 9/11 attacks.
It is our continued presence that is doing little more than grow the recruiting rosters of Alcaida. Of course that's good for military companies like Haliburten (spellingn?).
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
And if you're impatient for the next election like I am, visit http://www.impeachbush.org/ to bring an end to George's Un-Constitutional behavior.
My little Ron Paul Page is here: http://www.dcresearch.com/ronpaul
Join the Revolution!
People who setup botnets of zombie machines waiting to do their bidding probably make good money and the way they show legitimate income is through ads. But making it harder and harder to controll machines might be putting a real squeeze on their malefeasance.
You're right. The packages downloaded by the clients would alert the users that the signatures don't match. About the worst that we would expect is some malicious code to take advantage of the wget commands used from within apt-get to retrieve the packages. Those commands are probably running with root permissions, so if those retrival tools were hackable this could be a much bigger issue.
-Joe Baker
I Like Ron Paul for President in 2008
I tried a batch of about 5 keyboards in the dishwasher. We used an air compressor to blow them dry then let them sti for a week.
I'm not sure whether they used the "heat dry cycle" cycle or not.
Some of the keyboards were fine afterwards. Others seemed to be more difficult to press keys afterwards. It's almost as if they lost a degree of lubrication.
I'm trying to recall if I used dish washing detergent or not.
There are concerns about some IMAP clients being implemented innefficiently.
Still, I really thing Google should support the protocol. Maybe they could detect the patterns of the inneficient clients and simply disconnect them untill the client's protocol support is cleaned up.
For the most part, I LOVE Mozilla Thunderbird's IMAP support. I have 45 email users using Thunderbird with IMAP.
-Joe Baker IT Administrator NEL Frequency Controls, Inc.
I've had two versions of QuickBooks Pro. Presently, version 2004. I've tried on several occations to get Quickbooks to work under Wine. Along the way, I've heard of people having various levels of success, particularly if they first install it on Windows and then move the files over to the fake windows drive under WINE. However upon reviewing this thread on Slashdot, it dawned on me that there is another huge name in the accounting business. Peach Tree. So I went on over to the AppDB at winehq.com and looked up PeachTree. I was stunned to see only one person had filed a report about it. It looks like version 2005 works fairly well under WINE as reported here:http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId =3817
Now I know it isn't Open Source, but could we sway Peach Tree to make a Linux version using winelib. We can point to the recent port of GoogleEarth as a recent success story. Or maybe we could ask PeachTree to open up their code in exchange for publicity and a huge jump in market share.
Sun is a business, yess. But they are a business that courts Open Source practitioners. Sun needs to give up it's worry about forking. They have the power of branding on their side. If they use GPL, then any derivitive works also must be licensed under the GPL. So if there are improvements in a Fork, Sun is free to bring those improvements back into their version.
I am so outraged by Sun Microsystems and their rants against the GPL. Sun, please open source Java under the GPL. You could even take a page from MySQL's playbook and dual license it.
The path of building other Java stacks is a noble effort. But unless Sun agrees to wait to deploy their Java improvements untill these other stacks are 100% ready to implement the new features at the same time Sun rolls out theirs, we are threatened by upgrades from Sun.
IP is a broad term which I think covers both copyright and software method patents and I think Microsoft is trying to say it covers function as well.
If Microsoft imatated a function from Open Source, I would consider it an act of flattery. If they copied the code, the labor of coders who chose the GPL license, then Microsoft would be sued accordingly.
Open source doesn't "Copy" code from Microsoft. We imitate function in different ways.
Microsoft is certianly not offering the Patent protection that they said they were going to. The recent case against them resulted in a changed version of Microsoft Office. Now certian features which used to work will not work any more. You cannot install office and register it and use those functions any more. If your business depended on those functions you now have to find a way to do things differently. They call this protection from IP infringements. I think Microsoft is charging this discussion precicely because they have shown that they are no better able to protect users from IP claims than anybody else.
The law needs to be changed to only protect copyright protection to software source code. The law should not protect file formats, should not shield users from accessing the data they created/licensed/purchased (DMCA).
As you mention there are caches involved which must be periodically flushed. I think of the I/O scheduler as a broom that sweeps back and forth across the widest (from beginning to end) parts of the drive which are actively being written to. The I/O scheduler holds queues writes and reads these days till the broom makes it past that point on the drive. Some arbitration is decided when an I/O request has waited too long and then exception handling moves the broom to service the request out of the normal sweep cycle. My description could be oversimplified. With SCSI systems am I correct in assuming that the drive's controller takes care of the I/O scheduling and not the computer's CPU?
These tests really need to be done in more than a single thread, do you agree? Somehow we need to generate predictable, multi-threaded traffic to gain a closer picture of how these different filesystems compare.
Can you think of other ways that the IDE processing might affect one filesystem type more or less than others?
ReiserFS is much more CPU intensive when it comes to writing small files. Remember how the partition is broken up into smaller custers (a size of 4k comes to mind but this is customizable). Well other filesystems use each of those chunks as the smallest amount of space which can be allocated to a file. Well ReiserFS uses disk space much more efficiently by packing more than one of those files into a cluster.
So after touching 10,000 files it would have been interesting to analyze how much space on the disk was used by each of the compeditors of ReiserFS.
I like to use ReiserFS on IMAP mail servers where the sizes of individual messages can be very small.
On the other hand I've seen huge beowulf clusters where client machines touch files over nfs where the cpu load on the fileserver went ballistic precicely because ReiserFS was trying to make such efficient use of the space.
Wouldn't a single journaling filesystem transaction be considered three independant writes? I've also learned that the first part of a hard drive is the fastest. I trust that this user used the same partitioning scheme for each test to be fair. If I'd known the first part of the hard drive was faster my laptop's swap partition would be the first partition on the drive instead of the last.
It would be interesting to see the results of the same tests running against a SCSI drive system where there is less IO overhead to see if the results differ. There are other considerations here as well. What about the I/O elevator's tuning options. Yes, I'd much rather see this test occur against a SCSI drive or better yet against a RAM drive for pure software performance.
Here's an Idea to speed up OpenOffice deployment. OK, buy one big server for your network. Install Linux. Set your use flags. Install NoMachine http://www.nomachine.com/
Install NoMachine clients on the Windows and Linux workstations.
Create icons on the desktops that will launch the application from the "Big Server" to the clients. Walah! You have a method for improving the deployment speed of new applications throughout your network from a single place.
Let's look at Gentoo's approach of compiling OpenOffice to see if there are ways of increasing the amount of shared RAM that is used by OpenOffice. Maybe making it less of a static application would help. Then another way to improve execution speed it to introduce a tool called prelink.
Hey, at least we have the application. It is solid and it is free. Now you know ways to deploy it without upgrading all your workstations.
This is a very good reason to implement a print quota system on your color printers. Make sure they support Linux or you'll end up paying for some proprietary Linux drivers on a per user basis at around $30 per user.
Before I came on board as Network Administrator, a Cannon Ink Jet 9100 was purchased - and alas, they can only print color to the old HP Deskjet 6xx & 8xx printers.
I'd heard years ago that the Federal Government (US) had it's own spy program. The big todo back then is that Norton Antivirus agreed to not detect it as a virus.
Ozone is known to kill bacteria. Personally, I think that hospitals should have ozone generators inside the building to keep an environment with an amout of Ozone equal to the level you find outdoors after a thunderstorm. There is really no excuse for this not happening.
Maybe one answer is to have keyboards generate the ozone for a room. It could constantly blow a low level of ozone out of the keys, bathing the hands.
I prefer the ability to run MS programs under X-Windows. At our network each user has a valid Windows OS license, but for ease of administration we are moving their programs to all run from a single server so we never have to upgrade the workstations - Thin client style...
Microsoft gave IE away Free... They did it to break the competition from Netscape out of fear of loosing the OS war.
MS cannot legally bundle their applications with their Operating System. IE is a seperate component from their Operating System. Any attempt they make at thwarting their software from running on alternate implementations of the Windows API should be prosecuted to the fullest extent the law permits. Does anybody want to start a class action lawsuit?
This was my understanding as well. When I go around to schools out in the country who are still stuck with macintosh computers they are wanting to ditch them in favor of PCs, but they can't afford the upgrade. This is a big opportunity to bring in Linux servers, install X-Windows on the Macs to act as thin clients and they can then run some windows apps under WINE!
Until I'm a dealer for the Living Air Classic and other air purifiers made by Alpine Industries. I may be able to offer a free 3 day trial to a couple of data centers in the Midwest (I'm in SE Wisconsin). I'm still learning allot about the products, but one thing that seems to be unique is that these units also use RF to ionize air in nearby rooms through non-metallic walls.
I'd been thinking about putting these machines in a few data centers to combat the dust buildup on CPU, power supply & case fans. If anybody in the midwest wants to give it a try let me know and I'll try to arrange it. Initially, I won't be able to place many units for demos until I build up my inventory.
I thought from the headline that the impact of vibrations on the hardware would be discussed. I can imagine that a hard drive might perform a little slower if it was rattled violently. Does anybody mount their servers with this type of shock absorbsion in mind?
If he was going to give them the money anyway I think this would be a great statement. Microsoft will vanish after the end of this year anyway so in the long run you might make history by saying that you helped nail the steak into the heard of Microsoft by keeping them out of this University and at the same time showing the students, faculty and others in the media that there are open source alternatives waiting in the wings to take up the slack. We'll all be better off in a world where the GPL rules!
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Absolutely Right on -- If they are not Open Source I'll just suffer a little less and use Intel's Open Sourced chipset with 3D. It seems to work good enough on my Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon Tribe 5 test system. Now this is going to push 3D card vendors to open up their code or open up their hardware documentation for open code to be written.
How do we register for this? Does it really cost $2,300?
Maybe it could be equipped with a gatlin-gun style rubber band shooter. Or cold water squirt gun. Fly it over the beach and squirt the sunbathers! Liberty is paramount. Go ahead with it, maybe in a few years we will need it to protect us from our own government here in the US. I'm voting for Ron Paul. It's time we remove our military presence from the Middle East and other places abroad. It is our meddeling in middle eastern affairs that is the cause of the 9/11 attacks. It is our continued presence that is doing little more than grow the recruiting rosters of Alcaida. Of course that's good for military companies like Haliburten (spellingn?). http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ And if you're impatient for the next election like I am, visit http://www.impeachbush.org/ to bring an end to George's Un-Constitutional behavior. My little Ron Paul Page is here: http://www.dcresearch.com/ronpaul Join the Revolution!
People who setup botnets of zombie machines waiting to do their bidding probably make good money and the way they show legitimate income is through ads. But making it harder and harder to controll machines might be putting a real squeeze on their malefeasance.
You're right. The packages downloaded by the clients would alert the users that the signatures don't match. About the worst that we would expect is some malicious code to take advantage of the wget commands used from within apt-get to retrieve the packages. Those commands are probably running with root permissions, so if those retrival tools were hackable this could be a much bigger issue. -Joe Baker I Like Ron Paul for President in 2008
I tried a batch of about 5 keyboards in the dishwasher.
We used an air compressor to blow them dry then let them sti for a week.
I'm not sure whether they used the "heat dry cycle" cycle or not.
Some of the keyboards were fine afterwards. Others seemed to be more difficult to press keys afterwards. It's almost as if they lost a degree of lubrication.
I'm trying to recall if I used dish washing detergent or not.
-Joe Baker
There are concerns about some IMAP clients being implemented innefficiently.
Still, I really thing Google should support the protocol. Maybe they could detect the patterns of the inneficient clients and simply disconnect them untill the client's protocol support is cleaned up.
For the most part, I LOVE Mozilla Thunderbird's IMAP support. I have 45 email users using Thunderbird with IMAP.
-Joe Baker
IT Administrator
NEL Frequency Controls, Inc.
I've had two versions of QuickBooks Pro. Presently, version 2004. I've tried on several occations to get Quickbooks to work under Wine. Along the way, I've heard of people having various levels of success, particularly if they first install it on Windows and then move the files over to the fake windows drive under WINE. However upon reviewing this thread on Slashdot, it dawned on me that there is another huge name in the accounting business. Peach Tree. So I went on over to the AppDB at winehq.com and looked up PeachTree. I was stunned to see only one person had filed a report about it. It looks like version 2005 works fairly well under WINE as reported here:http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId =3817
Now I know it isn't Open Source, but could we sway Peach Tree to make a Linux version using winelib. We can point to the recent port of GoogleEarth as a recent success story. Or maybe we could ask PeachTree to open up their code in exchange for publicity and a huge jump in market share.
There is GNUCash,
KMyMoney
http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/index-home.html
Now I think that many of you are overlooking the bigger picture that indeed there are much larger Open Source financial packages such as Compiere (paid support available), ERP5 and ofbiz.org (which has a paid support beta program for their financial module which will be open sourced)h p
http://compiere.org/
http://www.erp5.org/
http://www.ofbiz.org/
http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/index.p
Don't say there aren't any such programs until you've checked out:
http://www.freshmeat.net/
Sun is a business, yess. But they are a business that courts Open Source practitioners. Sun needs to give up it's worry about forking. They have the power of branding on their side. If they use GPL, then any derivitive works also must be licensed under the GPL. So if there are improvements in a Fork, Sun is free to bring those improvements back into their version.
I am so outraged by Sun Microsystems and their rants against the GPL. Sun, please open source Java under the GPL. You could even take a page from MySQL's playbook and dual license it.
The path of building other Java stacks is a noble effort. But unless Sun agrees to wait to deploy their Java improvements untill these other stacks are 100% ready to implement the new features at the same time Sun rolls out theirs, we are threatened by upgrades from Sun.
-Joe Baker
Burlington, Wisconsin, USA
IP is a broad term which I think covers both copyright and software method patents and I think Microsoft is trying to say it covers function as well.
If Microsoft imatated a function from Open Source, I would consider it an act of flattery. If they copied the code, the labor of coders who chose the GPL license, then Microsoft would be sued accordingly.
Open source doesn't "Copy" code from Microsoft. We imitate function in different ways.
Microsoft is certianly not offering the Patent protection that they said they were going to. The recent case against them resulted in a changed version of Microsoft Office. Now certian features which used to work will not work any more. You cannot install office and register it and use those functions any more. If your business depended on those functions you now have to find a way to do things differently. They call this protection from IP infringements. I think Microsoft is charging this discussion precicely because they have shown that they are no better able to protect users from IP claims than anybody else.
The law needs to be changed to only protect copyright protection to software source code. The law should not protect file formats, should not shield users from accessing the data they created/licensed/purchased (DMCA).
As you mention there are caches involved which must be periodically flushed. I think of the I/O scheduler as a broom that sweeps back and forth across the widest (from beginning to end) parts of the drive which are actively being written to. The I/O scheduler holds queues writes and reads these days till the broom makes it past that point on the drive. Some arbitration is decided when an I/O request has waited too long and then exception handling moves the broom to service the request out of the normal sweep cycle. My description could be oversimplified. With SCSI systems am I correct in assuming that the drive's controller takes care of the I/O scheduling and not the computer's CPU?
These tests really need to be done in more than a single thread, do you agree? Somehow we need to generate predictable, multi-threaded traffic to gain a closer picture of how these different filesystems compare.
Can you think of other ways that the IDE processing might affect one filesystem type more or less than others?
-Joe
ReiserFS is much more CPU intensive when it comes to writing small files. Remember how the partition is broken up into smaller custers (a size of 4k comes to mind but this is customizable). Well other filesystems use each of those chunks as the smallest amount of space which can be allocated to a file. Well ReiserFS uses disk space much more efficiently by packing more than one of those files into a cluster.
So after touching 10,000 files it would have been interesting to analyze how much space on the disk was used by each of the compeditors of ReiserFS.
I like to use ReiserFS on IMAP mail servers where the sizes of individual messages can be very small.
On the other hand I've seen huge beowulf clusters where client machines touch files over nfs where the cpu load on the fileserver went ballistic precicely because ReiserFS was trying to make such efficient use of the space.
Wouldn't a single journaling filesystem transaction be considered three independant writes?
I've also learned that the first part of a hard drive is the fastest. I trust that this user used the same partitioning scheme for each test to be fair. If I'd known the first part of the hard drive was faster my laptop's swap partition would be the first partition on the drive instead of the last.
It would be interesting to see the results of the same tests running against a SCSI drive system where there is less IO overhead to see if the results differ.
There are other considerations here as well. What about the I/O elevator's tuning options.
Yes, I'd much rather see this test occur against a SCSI drive or better yet against a RAM drive for pure software performance.
Cheers fellow slashdoters!
-Joe Baker
Here's an Idea to speed up OpenOffice deployment.
OK, buy one big server for your network. Install Linux.
Set your use flags.
Install NoMachine http://www.nomachine.com/
Install NoMachine clients on the Windows and Linux workstations.
Create icons on the desktops that will launch the application from the "Big Server" to the clients.
Walah! You have a method for improving the deployment speed of new applications throughout your network from a single place.
Let's look at Gentoo's approach of compiling OpenOffice to see if there are ways of increasing the amount of shared RAM that is used by OpenOffice. Maybe making it less of a static application would help. Then another way to improve execution speed it to introduce a tool called prelink.
Hey, at least we have the application. It is solid and it is free. Now you know ways to deploy it without upgrading all your workstations.
-Joe Baker
This is a very good reason to implement a print quota system on your color printers. Make sure they support Linux or you'll end up paying for some proprietary Linux drivers on a per user basis at around $30 per user.
Before I came on board as Network Administrator, a Cannon Ink Jet 9100 was purchased - and alas, they can only print color to the old HP Deskjet 6xx & 8xx printers.
I'd heard years ago that the Federal Government (US) had it's own spy program. The big todo back then is that Norton Antivirus agreed to not detect it as a virus.
Ozone is known to kill bacteria.
Personally, I think that hospitals should have ozone generators inside the building to keep an environment with an amout of Ozone equal to the level you find outdoors after a thunderstorm. There is really no excuse for this not happening.
Maybe one answer is to have keyboards generate the ozone for a room. It could constantly blow a low level of ozone out of the keys, bathing the hands.
I prefer the ability to run MS programs under X-Windows. At our network each user has a valid Windows OS license, but for ease of administration we are moving their programs to all run from a single server so we never have to upgrade the workstations - Thin client style...
Microsoft gave IE away Free...
They did it to break the competition from Netscape out of fear of loosing the OS war.
MS cannot legally bundle their applications with their Operating System. IE is a seperate component from their Operating System. Any attempt they make at thwarting their software from running on alternate implementations of the Windows API should be prosecuted to the fullest extent the law permits. Does anybody want to start a class action lawsuit?
-Joseph William Baker
Burlington, Wisconsin
I also computed the same md5sums off my download to confirm... I havn't seen official numbers for this yet.
Here are my md5sum results.
40c8812dce7b9f8fb0a3b364af62b974 MandrakeLinux-9.2-17-Download-1.i586.iso
e07fe7b1474eb3ba35cac3dfd479777e MandrakeLinux-9.2-18-Download-2.i586.iso
2b6ffc5957533c927f14197ec99a0372 MandrakeLinux-9.2-19-Download-3.i586.iso
This was my understanding as well. When I go around to schools out in the country who are still stuck with macintosh computers they are wanting to ditch them in favor of PCs, but they can't afford the upgrade. This is a big opportunity to bring in Linux servers, install X-Windows on the Macs to act as thin clients and they can then run some windows apps under WINE!
-Joe Baker
Until I'm a dealer for the Living Air Classic and other air purifiers made by Alpine Industries. I may be able to offer a free 3 day trial to a couple of data centers in the Midwest (I'm in SE Wisconsin). I'm still learning allot about the products, but one thing that seems to be unique is that these units also use RF to ionize air in nearby rooms through non-metallic walls.
I'd been thinking about putting these machines in a few data centers to combat the dust buildup on CPU, power supply & case fans. If anybody in the midwest wants to give it a try let me know and I'll try to arrange it. Initially, I won't be able to place many units for demos until I build up my inventory.
Some of the profits go to me - A Linux supporter.
Joe Baker
joebaker@dcresearch.com
414-788-8284
I thought from the headline that the impact of vibrations on the hardware would be discussed. I can imagine that a hard drive might perform a little slower if it was rattled violently. Does anybody mount their servers with this type of shock absorbsion in mind?
If he was going to give them the money anyway I think this would be a great statement. Microsoft will vanish after the end of this year anyway so in the long run you might make history by saying that you helped nail the steak into the heard of Microsoft by keeping them out of this University and at the same time showing the students, faculty and others in the media that there are open source alternatives waiting in the wings to take up the slack. We'll all be better off in a world where the GPL rules!