I agree with every word you have said, but one thing still burns though. As the article stated, open source programmers are being treat more a subcontractors. In the world of America big buisness loves the idea of cheaper resources, mainly the programmers.
What happens when those systems get hacked? And they will,the militay still uses ancient OS for "sensitive" information...Bad i dead for science and humanity.
You know this tactic of the MPAA reminds me of many government agencies when threatened with down-sizing. They just throw crap out there to legitimize their pitiful existence.
OK so if you have a container in your house, with liquid, and a light, your breaking his copy right? Well If you use LEDs, just use xenon lights then.
Seriously this type of enlightened bullcrapp is a joke. Really bring out the seriousness of our patent system where as someone can actually patent this stuff. If current LEDs where available in the 70's prior art would have ruled this out.
This patent thing has gone way too far-nothing new, but when the tax paying dollars are going to verify these types of patents...any how I'm surprised they have patented the war on terrorism!
Public libraries are a great a noble thing to help those that can't afford it get a hold of books
A littleoff topic here-but libraries are not only for the poor! They have so many books that are out of print amd books that actually have decent translatoins of ancient works.
Simple I wait a bit before buying the "NEW" stuff. There is not much sense in my mind to buy something that just comes out. There are usually bugs of some sorts and updates that are needed in order to use it. Plus as the article states I don't trust sites that get the new stuff before it is released to the public-there is already a vested interest. I wait 3-6 months and see what other people and friends have to say. This is a bit easier since I only buy new hardware every 3-4 years, so I buy my hardware to last that long.
You know this reminds me of Braveheart. Why you ask? Well when William Finaly got Scottland back on the map all the "loards" cared about was their rank and position to get to the throne. Don't mind all the people who died for that right, they just "want whats theirs."
Like our and many other polticians, they want whats good for them. And MS is good for them, John Q Public can't afford that kind of influence.
Well I for one believe that the Bible we read these days was written and translated by humans. And at that humans have a funny way of letting their influences transfer over to the texts they write. The human mind and the human anatomy is a very complex beast and we still don't have it all figured out.
We have different religions out here too, back in the inquisition days we would kill people who don't believe in "God", wait a minute we killed Indians and Aztecs too...Any how we are more tolerant now and even many religious leaders say we need to move our beliefs with time.
There you go-religion moves with time and is tailored to the needs of the time. So religion is treated and laws that get reformed when the "don't work."
On a side note for the Homosexual haters out there, Hindu and Buddhists don't see much of a problem rather a third gender. Any those religions have a documented history longer the Christianity....Hmm.....
You know I hate the RIAA and MPAA so much I just don't buy music or movies from them. Hell I don't even go to movie theaters! Besides the freakin 20-30 minutes of must see commercials, the movie quality these days suck. I still believe nothing beats a good book or a live performance on stage.
I have an imagination that no computer can compete with.
I hate watching a guy get blown' up, kicked around, and drown-just so he can come back in five minutes like nothing happened.
"In Microsoft's world customers are confidant that we take responsibility. They know that they will get their upgrades and patches."
For example-if the customers_know_about it we will patch it. And in the future we will charge the customer for the very important service.
"If you look at the number of people who contribute to the kernel tree, you see that a significant amount of the work is just done by a handful."
Does the meaning "Too many cooks in the Kitchen come into mind?
"There are very few of the improvements that come through the wider community. There are more skilled developers writing for the Microsoft platform than for open source."
I call Bullshit! There are many programmers that are even between the ages of 15-20 with out the College and corperate stench that can churn out some amazing stuff.
"The way that 2004 started off there were a lot of myths in the marketplace around the cost and capability of Linux. But now a lot of the ideology has been replaced with commercial reality."
Meaning: We duped the customers in thinkning they will have to pay so much money for support because they are to stupid to do it themselves.
"A lot of the percentage growth figures mask the fact that Linux is coming from a very small base. There are more Unix servers than Linux servers in the UK. There are more Windows servers than Linux servers in the UK."
Hmmm for needing comparisons, WITF take stats outside the country?
"Linux is not ready for mission-critical computing. There are fundamental things missing. For example, there is no single development environment for Linux as there is for Microsoft, neither is there a single sign-on system."
Don't tell that to NASA, and the DOD! And no sigle sign-on cuz there isn't one or at least there is not a trapping agreement.
Folks this comes down to one thing-BS. Just cuz this guy has a college degree and studied linux does not make him the expert. Hell phD still argue about with the hell the standards are. Any how another peice of lovely MS FUD trying to increase that damn share price.
The Volunteer Income Tax Assistance Program the IRS runs is pretty nice. Most of the time you do simple 1040's with a standard deduction, but the best part is by helping out here you also learn by do other peoples taxes and their unique situations. Depending on where you are you can get an IRS employee who trains a group pf people on the Pub 17 and some other issues like Earned Income Credit, Child Tax credit, and my favorite-the life time learning credit. Besides all this if you get in a group, you are provide access to computer with their software-and that is the jewel, all the calculations are done for you and any form needed pops up. Any how this whole experience has encouraged me to learn about taxes and learn how to pay them. I mean essentially you learn how the law applies to you and what you can do within the laws.
This is my "hobby" to help people with their taxes and also help them get more money back too. If most people would only read the pub 17 once and then keep up with the updates every year you would learn so much, and you could also help so much! If possible help as many people as you can, it's one type of community service that helps you and the people too.
Once you read into taxes you will understand why the rich get richer and how many of the tax laws are written to help...the congressmen and women in Washington D.C.
That sounds great! And we will call this product "WebTV" since people will be on the web all the time! We can give them email, shopping and video-best off all lots of pr0n!
It's great where a company also can "claim" freedom of speech because they want to advertise like this. I though the 1st Amend. was o.k. along as it didn't disrupt or cause harm? If I have Trojans rolling around because a POS company decides I should have mass amount of Porn and "as seen on tv" products, can't I use my 1st amend to convince them not to do this by using the same tactics?
I did RTA, and it seems like this "pro-Microsoft" couple is now saying the MS is testing and using Linux making sure that they can get the two to work together blah blah blah. Well of course this is FUD, to me and many other Linux users who have been around for a little.
But one broken chain in the whole server integration model seems to be the admins. I mean how many companies actually employ admins for more than 5 years? If most of these big companies would just pony the extra money to keep the good admins around they probably would not have to spend so much money all the time right?
I mean sure technology moves and software always gets updated but would it not help these big corporations to keep a good loyal staff that actually knows computer and knows the business model?
But I guess the problem gets down to the CIO,CEO,CFO and the other C*Os who have lost the reality foot of the company. It just tweaks me that businesses don't know that there true power comes from the Administrators knowledge of the implement software. But I guess in a country where a company can force everyone to take pay cuts-but get a 10 Mil raise there are other issues at hand.
Any how FUD, BS, and MS has to acknowledge Linux now and they are doing it by trying to belittle it's capabilities by saying that it is a loose knit organization that has no true direction or capability in the corporate world.
Strange that people would try to argue that a computer offense is not worth putting in regular prison. But these people deliberately broke the law . And don't give me the whole "When you J-walk you deliberately break the law" cuz if the system was so black and white most of us would be in jail.
Any how they were trying to steal for personal gain and used there computer knowledge as the tool to obtain this "stuff" without the victims wanting to give it up.
But if the system admins were good enough they might not have been caught, but I don't think they wanted a competent Sys Admin at the time.
When the claim to be fed up with MS it is a little odd that they didn't even bother to evaluate the competition.
Trust me it has been looked into, but it is a lot harder to actually study and, train, evaluate than just saying "O.k. we are using only open source"
Think about this, the average computer "tech" servs about 4-6 years. Then they leave for a higher paying job in the civilian world. Now how long does it take to train a person who never really cared about computers let alone Linux? About 2-4 years? So you get about what 2-4 years of use-then you have to train all over again. And no you can't use civilians because they would cost more than a GI. Plus you try to get a civilian to go to Iraq for $30k and tell them they might die. Or pay the person $20-30k to work in America.
They did evaluate BUT you prolly don't know about all the red tape that get thrown in when you "evaluate" a position. It's the whole government not just the AF. Just think of what it would be like to revamp whole computer networks of more than 700k computer systems for one thing to another. Migrate all the data, make sure all of the custom programs for all test equipment can be "ported" to run under linux.
Answer me this please.
If the AF go all Linux, who will train the military?
Who will do all the custom programming?
There are not enough "computer technicians" to do all the custom programming so it will be outsourced. So what standards will be set?
If the people are so damn critical about this why don't they make a proposal and got forth? You see the beauty of this is that the AF did an Open Bid and you know what? I bet you there was no company out there willing to take on the AF with a complete Open Source package. If you try to put the burden of implementation and everything on the AF you might get a solution in 8-10 years. You think I'm kidding? It took 2 years of 9-11 for congress to pass something, and that was quick for our congress.
I know that most people wanna bash M$ and put up a flag saying no fair or that the government owes M$.
Let's put some thing in perspective before we say use Linux it's free. The Air Force has about 450,000 people serving and most have a computer at there work area. Now take into account that many of these people can turn a computer on and open some programs. But when it comes to configuring and networking most don't have a clue. Next we have many people who just don't care about what OS they use just as long as they get internet and email-but all they know is IE and Outlook (which the AF uses heavily). Every shop or organization has different needs and special software, specialy for different test equipment. To compound this, since the Air Force it a Department of Defense organization they need to bid out contracts for test equipment and such-and guess what most contractors make their own software for windows and offer little support. So that right there binds us in. And the deal with Dell is not so bad, at least there will be a standardized configuration instead of having a base with 1000 different computer configurations trying to give support. And the other big issue is training. IN the military people "move" around a lot every 3-5 years. So new people come in the military all the time and need to be trained. You could argue just hire civilians, but it's hard to get them to go to Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other remote place because people would like email to talk to loved ones at home.
And just so you don't think it pure M$ the Network Control Center does use many Linux and Unix servers.
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I agree with every word you have said, but one thing still burns though. As the article stated, open source programmers are being treat more a subcontractors. In the world of America big buisness loves the idea of cheaper resources, mainly the programmers.
What happens when those systems get hacked? And they will,the militay still uses ancient OS for "sensitive" information...Bad i dead for science and humanity.
You know this tactic of the MPAA reminds me of many government agencies when threatened with down-sizing. They just throw crap out there to legitimize their pitiful existence.
Stop That! How dare you bring something so simple yet effective to the table, you will now be flogged!
How soon does everyone think this system will be abused either by the government or by thieves
There is a difference? OMG what the hell have I been thinking?
Now if we can only tell the military that Ada is dead we'll be in business!
OK so if you have a container in your house, with liquid, and a light, your breaking his copy right? Well If you use LEDs, just use xenon lights then.
Seriously this type of enlightened bullcrapp is a joke. Really bring out the seriousness of our patent system where as someone can actually patent this stuff. If current LEDs where available in the 70's prior art would have ruled this out.
This patent thing has gone way too far-nothing new, but when the tax paying dollars are going to verify these types of patents...any how I'm surprised they have patented the war on terrorism!
Service Pack 1 prerelease beta 1 is do out on monday as well with an expected release time of next week.
Public libraries are a great a noble thing to help those that can't afford it get a hold of books
A littleoff topic here-but libraries are not only for the poor! They have so many books that are out of print amd books that actually have decent translatoins of ancient works.
Simple I wait a bit before buying the "NEW" stuff. There is not much sense in my mind to buy something that just comes out. There are usually bugs of some sorts and updates that are needed in order to use it. Plus as the article states I don't trust sites that get the new stuff before it is released to the public-there is already a vested interest. I wait 3-6 months and see what other people and friends have to say.
This is a bit easier since I only buy new hardware every 3-4 years, so I buy my hardware to last that long.
You know this reminds me of Braveheart. Why you ask? Well when William Finaly got Scottland back on the map all the "loards" cared about was their rank and position to get to the throne. Don't mind all the people who died for that right, they just "want whats theirs."
Like our and many other polticians, they want whats good for them. And MS is good for them, John Q Public can't afford that kind of influence.
Sorry but I don't think it will have that big of an effect. Many people will believe MS is doing this for "their" security and benifit.
Kinda like airport security, it's an illusion of safety.
Well I for one believe that the Bible we read these days was written and translated by humans. And at that humans have a funny way of letting their influences transfer over to the texts they write. The human mind and the human anatomy is a very complex beast and we still don't have it all figured out.
We have different religions out here too, back in the inquisition days we would kill people who don't believe in "God", wait a minute we killed Indians and Aztecs too...Any how we are more tolerant now and even many religious leaders say we need to move our beliefs with time.
There you go-religion moves with time and is tailored to the needs of the time. So religion is treated and laws that get reformed when the "don't work."
On a side note for the Homosexual haters out there, Hindu and Buddhists don't see much of a problem rather a third gender. Any those religions have a documented history longer the Christianity....Hmm.....
You know I hate the RIAA and MPAA so much I just don't buy music or movies from them. Hell I don't even go to movie theaters! Besides the freakin 20-30 minutes of must see commercials, the movie quality these days suck. I still believe nothing beats a good book or a live performance on stage.
I have an imagination that no computer can compete with.
I hate watching a guy get blown' up, kicked around, and drown-just so he can come back in five minutes like nothing happened.
"In Microsoft's world customers are confidant that we take responsibility. They know that they will get their upgrades and patches."
For example-if the customers_know_about it we will patch it. And in the future we will charge the customer for the very important service.
"If you look at the number of people who contribute to the kernel tree, you see that a significant amount of the work is just done by a handful."
Does the meaning "Too many cooks in the Kitchen come into mind?
"There are very few of the improvements that come through the wider community. There are more skilled developers writing for the Microsoft platform than for open source."
I call Bullshit! There are many programmers that are even between the ages of 15-20 with out the College and corperate stench that can churn out some amazing stuff.
"The way that 2004 started off there were a lot of myths in the marketplace around the cost and capability of Linux. But now a lot of the ideology has been replaced with commercial reality."
Meaning: We duped the customers in thinkning they will have to pay so much money for support because they are to stupid to do it themselves.
"A lot of the percentage growth figures mask the fact that Linux is coming from a very small base. There are more Unix servers than Linux servers in the UK. There are more Windows servers than Linux servers in the UK."
Hmmm for needing comparisons, WITF take stats outside the country?
"Linux is not ready for mission-critical computing. There are fundamental things missing. For example, there is no single development environment for Linux as there is for Microsoft, neither is there a single sign-on system."
Don't tell that to NASA, and the DOD! And no sigle sign-on cuz there isn't one or at least there is not a trapping agreement.
Folks this comes down to one thing-BS. Just cuz this guy has a college degree and studied linux does not make him the expert. Hell phD still argue about with the hell the standards are. Any how another peice of lovely MS FUD trying to increase that damn share price.
Besides the high squeeky voice from Steve, what leads me to believe it was for fun was the price! Just kidding, the true give away was the address!
286-DOS
Was the street name.
The Volunteer Income Tax Assistance Program the IRS runs is pretty nice. Most of the time you do simple 1040's with a standard deduction, but the best part is by helping out here you also learn by do other peoples taxes and their unique situations. Depending on where you are you can get an IRS employee who trains a group pf people on the Pub 17 and some other issues like Earned Income Credit, Child Tax credit, and my favorite-the life time learning credit. Besides all this if you get in a group, you are provide access to computer with their software-and that is the jewel, all the calculations are done for you and any form needed pops up. Any how this whole experience has encouraged me to learn about taxes and learn how to pay them. I mean essentially you learn how the law applies to you and what you can do within the laws.
This is my "hobby" to help people with their taxes and also help them get more money back too. If most people would only read the pub 17 once and then keep up with the updates every year you would learn so much, and you could also help so much! If possible help as many people as you can, it's one type of community service that helps you and the people too.
Once you read into taxes you will understand why the rich get richer and how many of the tax laws are written to help...the congressmen and women in Washington D.C.
That sounds great! And we will call this product "WebTV" since people will be on the web all the time! We can give them email, shopping and video-best off all lots of pr0n!
It's great where a company also can "claim" freedom of speech because they want to advertise like this. I though the 1st Amend. was o.k. along as it didn't disrupt or cause harm? If I have Trojans rolling around because a POS company decides I should have mass amount of Porn and "as seen on tv" products, can't I use my 1st amend to convince them not to do this by using the same tactics?
I did RTA, and it seems like this "pro-Microsoft" couple is now saying the MS is testing and using Linux making sure that they can get the two to work together blah blah blah. Well of course this is FUD, to me and many other Linux users who have been around for a little.
But one broken chain in the whole server integration model seems to be the admins. I mean how many companies actually employ admins for more than 5 years? If most of these big companies would just pony the extra money to keep the good admins around they probably would not have to spend so much money all the time right?
I mean sure technology moves and software always gets updated but would it not help these big corporations to keep a good loyal staff that actually knows computer and knows the business model?
But I guess the problem gets down to the CIO,CEO,CFO and the other C*Os who have lost the reality foot of the company. It just tweaks me that businesses don't know that there true power comes from the Administrators knowledge of the implement software. But I guess in a country where a company can force everyone to take pay cuts-but get a 10 Mil raise there are other issues at hand.
Any how FUD, BS, and MS has to acknowledge Linux now and they are doing it by trying to belittle it's capabilities by saying that it is a loose knit organization that has no true direction or capability in the corporate world.
Well goto here and all he did was change th icons and the names a little. Match the previous link with the one in the article.
Strange that people would try to argue that a computer offense is not worth putting in regular prison. But these people deliberately broke the law . And don't give me the whole "When you J-walk you deliberately break the law" cuz if the system was so black and white most of us would be in jail.
Any how they were trying to steal for personal gain and used there computer knowledge as the tool to obtain this "stuff" without the victims wanting to give it up.
But if the system admins were good enough they might not have been caught, but I don't think they wanted a competent Sys Admin at the time.
When the claim to be fed up with MS it is a little odd that they didn't even bother to evaluate the competition.
Trust me it has been looked into, but it is a lot harder to actually study and, train, evaluate than just saying "O.k. we are using only open source"
Think about this, the average computer "tech" servs about 4-6 years. Then they leave for a higher paying job in the civilian world. Now how long does it take to train a person who never really cared about computers let alone Linux? About 2-4 years? So you get about what 2-4 years of use-then you have to train all over again. And no you can't use civilians because they would cost more than a GI. Plus you try to get a civilian to go to Iraq for $30k and tell them they might die. Or pay the person $20-30k to work in America.
They did evaluate BUT you prolly don't know about all the red tape that get thrown in when you "evaluate" a position. It's the whole government not just the AF. Just think of what it would be like to revamp whole computer networks of more than 700k computer systems for one thing to another. Migrate all the data, make sure all of the custom programs for all test equipment can be "ported" to run under linux.
Answer me this please.
If the AF go all Linux, who will train the military?
Who will do all the custom programming?
There are not enough "computer technicians" to do all the custom programming so it will be outsourced. So what standards will be set?
If the people are so damn critical about this why don't they make a proposal and got forth? You see the beauty of this is that the AF did an Open Bid and you know what? I bet you there was no company out there willing to take on the AF with a complete Open Source package. If you try to put the burden of implementation and everything on the AF you might get a solution in 8-10 years. You think I'm kidding? It took 2 years of 9-11 for congress to pass something, and that was quick for our congress.
I know that most people wanna bash M$ and put up a flag saying no fair or that the government owes M$.
Let's put some thing in perspective before we say use Linux it's free. The Air Force has about 450,000 people serving and most have a computer at there work area. Now take into account that many of these people can turn a computer on and open some programs. But when it comes to configuring and networking most don't have a clue.
Next we have many people who just don't care about what OS they use just as long as they get internet and email-but all they know is IE and Outlook (which the AF uses heavily).
Every shop or organization has different needs and special software, specialy for different test equipment. To compound this, since the Air Force it a Department of Defense organization they need to bid out contracts for test equipment and such-and guess what most contractors make their own software for windows and offer little support. So that right there binds us in.
And the deal with Dell is not so bad, at least there will be a standardized configuration instead of having a base with 1000 different computer configurations trying to give support. And the other big issue is training. IN the military people "move" around a lot every 3-5 years. So new people come in the military all the time and need to be trained. You could argue just hire civilians, but it's hard to get them to go to Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other remote place because people would like email to talk to loved ones at home.
And just so you don't think it pure M$ the Network Control Center does use many Linux and Unix servers.
If someone steals an impression or picture of your fingerprint
Hey don't forget that many of the finger print machines also detect if the right body temp is there too.