Telstra has probably heard of what has happened in Peru and Mexico, this is just a plot to get a big rebate from Microsoft:). Big switching stories are the worst nightmare for Microsoft, they will do all what they can to stop them, and with 30 billions $ (or whatever this sum is today) sitting in the bank they have enough munitions for years.
Something beyond my understanding is why anybody and his dog want his own pet upgrading thingy !
I mean Redhat felt obliged to come with it's brain dead up2date, same thing for Mandrake. I mean there is this thing called apt, wich has been tested for years, and which has been ported to work for RPM. I use it every day, and it works insanly well.
Yeah I know, I know ! the official Linux motto, the party line is that "Choice is good". But I sure would prefer one good standard over 10 half backed brain dead programs.
I completly agree. I bet the RIAA hasn't grasped the revolution which took place. They just keep suing, suing, and suing hoping this thing will just go away. But it won't, it never will, the genie is out of the battle, and you simply can't stop the sea with your hand as they say.
You have touched the main problem about software patents, an this why they are so evil. Once you patent a functionality in a software, you get exclusive rights about ALL the possible implementations of that functionality.
Pushing things further, we all know that a program is the expresion in a particular language (a computer language) of a human idea. Granting exclusive rights to a patent holder is like granting him exclusive rights on particular idea. I just want to understand how doesn't this contradict the fact that you can't patent an idea but only it's implemenation !
I believe many of the traits (maybe not all) you are depicting are not specific to the Chinese society, but are rather those of traditional societies. Many African and Islamic societies function the same way. I am from Morocco (An Islamic, African, Arabic and Berber country, yes all that in the same time:) ) and this is the way many moroccans do business too.
It's worth to say that Larry Wall (perl founder) and Guido van Rossun (python founder) are now in their payroll. So this is an important contribution to the open source community
DMCA is alas just the implementation in local laws of the WIPO recommandations. So it's just a matter of time until all the countries that have adhered to WTO (i.e nearly all) implement similar law. Have a look at this intersting FAQ http://anti-dmca.org/faq.html
To paraphrase someone who posted this earlier; in his time Newton was probably less known than the king who ruled England at that time. I am sure Dijkstra, Knuth and the likes will be remembred forever as great pioners of computer science. I am not the celebreties you are talking about will be remembered some years from now.
This is typical generic FUD you would hear from misinformed people. Some people have vaguely heard about this Linux thing and the clichés that go with it (albeit this slowly changing). This shows that main battle Linux is now facing is the Marketing one, as in technology it's on par and often better than the alternative.
I hope that with IBM/HPaq/Dell and so on entering the field this will slowly change
I completly agree with this; but I am happy to see that the open source community is slowly getting aware too. It started with the usability study done by SUN for GNOME, also, efforts like http://usability.kde.org are steps in the right direction. Geeks are notoriously bad for designing good GUI, they need people sensible to this who conduct indpendent usability studies, and give them feedback.
The antitrust trial is about the *Desktop* not the server, Linux/IBM is indeed a competitor to M$ in the server arena, not desktop one. M$ does not have a monoply in the server.
Note that it only sounds strange in English, in French it doesn't sound that strange (of course this my personal opinion). Oddity is probably something which depends of the language use use
I was able to upgrade from Red Hat 7.1 to 7.2 with apt-get for RPM (http://freshrpms.net) indeed I had to remove manually Ximian Gnome and use Red Hat Gnome instead.
America alone must burn around 30% to 40% (maybe even more) of all the fuel used in the world, and hence is responsible of 30% to 40% of the pollution, this is why it's an unbelivable scandal and unjustice that it doesn't want to sign the Kyoto protocol.
If you are running Redhat just use apt-get (apt for rpm) have a look at http://freshrpms.net for instance, otherwise, there is urpmi for Mandrake, up2date for redhat and so on. Installing rpms with dependencies is now very easy thanks to these tools.
And I am tired of RMS having an opinion about everything ! and being so bigot !
You may consider this as a flame bait ! but I don't care, I just want to express a different opinion, as everybody seems to think the same way here in Slashdot. Sociologist tell us that this is always the case with "self support groups" they tend to slowly close themselves to external and different opinions, evolve to a monoculture and vehemently oppose every divergent thinking.
I wonder if people have read all Love interview. What he is saying is that UnitedLinux will be open source, the only restriction is that binary will not be furnished ! bid deal ! if you are a geek, nothing prevents you from downloading the sources and compiling them, you can even distribute the binary if you want ! the only thing you can't do is to use the UnitedLinux brand, this is I believe what Redhat is already doing anyway.
You may consider binary as a commodity, for people who don't want to go through the hassle of compiling the sources, so what's the problem if they charge for that ? the GPL only says that you need to give the sources if you are selling the binaries, and that you can't prevent people from doing the same with these binaries and sources, and from all the derived work, and they are not preventing you from this see below.
RMS can say that making money of per seat basis is bad as he wants, he leaves comfortably with to grants he has received, so ha can give lessons to others (although I respect what he has done for free software). I ran a business and I know how much making money is hard, it's a struggle of every time, every hour. Contrary to what the Slashdot monoculture seems to think, it costs a lot of money to develop real software, and relaying on hackers who work in their spare time is hardly a solution. Also, selling something everybody can have by just downloading it, when broadband is becoming more and more pervasive won't take you very far. These business have to support themselves, I think it's a fair business model. I don't see a problem if people who don't want to compile the distro themselves, or who want support pay on per seat basis, if you don't to that, it's ok, the download the sources, compile them, and install them on as much computer as you want !
Forget Ximian, apt-get see apt.freshrpms.net will let you upgrade your distro and all your rpms in seamless way. I have installled it 2 months ago and my Linux experience has completly changed.
AOL didn't start Mozilla. The Mozilla project has been started mainly thanks to Jamie Zawinsky Eric Raymond efforts, prior to the AOL take of Netscape.
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Telstra has probably heard of what has happened in Peru and Mexico, this is just a plot to get a big rebate from Microsoft :). Big switching stories are the worst nightmare for Microsoft, they will do all what they can to stop them, and with 30 billions $ (or whatever this sum is today) sitting in the bank they have enough munitions for years.
Something beyond my understanding is why anybody and his dog want his own pet upgrading thingy !
I mean Redhat felt obliged to come with it's brain dead up2date, same thing for Mandrake. I mean there is this thing called apt, wich has been tested for years, and which has been ported to work for RPM. I use it every day, and it works insanly well.
Yeah I know, I know ! the official Linux motto, the party line is that "Choice is good". But I sure would prefer one good standard over 10 half backed brain dead programs.
Can you please point to real RPM shortcomings ? I have been using apt for RPM for months now, and have been satisfied with beyond any hope
I have been using apt for rpm (apt4rpm.sf.net) for ages, works insanly well !! resolve de dependency hell !
I completly agree. I bet the RIAA hasn't grasped the revolution which took place. They just keep suing, suing, and suing hoping this thing will just go away. But it won't, it never will, the genie is out of the battle, and you simply can't stop the sea with your hand as they say.
You have touched the main problem about software patents, an this why they are so evil. Once you patent a functionality in a software, you get exclusive rights about ALL the possible implementations of that functionality.
Pushing things further, we all know that a program is the expresion in a particular language (a computer language) of a human idea. Granting exclusive rights to a patent holder is like granting him exclusive rights on particular idea. I just want to understand how doesn't this contradict the fact that you can't patent an idea but only it's implemenation !
Capitalism is the exploitation of men by other men :)
Communism is the contrary
I believe many of the traits (maybe not all) you are depicting are not specific to the Chinese society, but are rather those of traditional societies. Many African and Islamic societies function the same way. I am from Morocco (An Islamic, African, Arabic and Berber country, yes all that in the same time :) ) and this is the way many moroccans do business too.
Oops ! sorry ! thanks for correcting me :)
It's worth to say that Larry Wall (perl founder) and Guido van Rossun (python founder) are now in their payroll. So this is an important contribution to the open source community
DMCA is alas just the implementation in local laws of the WIPO recommandations. So it's just a matter of time until all the countries that have adhered to WTO (i.e nearly all) implement similar law. Have a look at this intersting FAQ http://anti-dmca.org/faq.html
That's why open source is such great thing, everybody want to improve your code ;)
To paraphrase someone who posted this earlier; in his time Newton was probably less known than the king who ruled England at that time. I am sure Dijkstra, Knuth and the likes will be remembred forever as great pioners of computer science. I am not the celebreties you are talking about will be remembered some years from now.
I hope I had moderation points for this !
:)
So true
This is typical generic FUD you would hear from misinformed people. Some people have vaguely heard about this Linux thing and the clichés that go with it (albeit this slowly changing). This shows that main battle Linux is now facing is the Marketing one, as in technology it's on par and often better than the alternative.
I hope that with IBM/HPaq/Dell and so on entering the field this will slowly change
I completly agree with this; but I am happy to see that the open source community is slowly getting aware too. It started with the usability study done by SUN for GNOME, also, efforts like http://usability.kde.org are steps in the right direction. Geeks are notoriously bad for designing good GUI, they need people sensible to this who conduct indpendent usability studies, and give them feedback.
The antitrust trial is about the *Desktop* not the server, Linux/IBM is indeed a competitor to M$ in the server arena, not desktop one. M$ does not have a monoply in the server.
Note that it only sounds strange in English, in French it doesn't sound that strange (of course this my personal opinion). Oddity is probably something which depends of the language use use
I was able to upgrade from Red Hat 7.1 to 7.2 with apt-get for RPM (http://freshrpms.net) indeed I had to remove manually Ximian Gnome and use Red Hat Gnome instead.
America alone must burn around 30% to 40% (maybe even more) of all the fuel used in the world, and hence is responsible of 30% to 40% of the pollution, this is why it's an unbelivable scandal and unjustice that it doesn't want to sign the Kyoto protocol.
If you are running Redhat just use apt-get (apt for rpm) have a look at http://freshrpms.net for instance, otherwise, there is urpmi for Mandrake, up2date for redhat and so on. Installing rpms with dependencies is now very easy thanks to these tools.
They probably want to win the 200000 $ grant :)
And I am tired of RMS having an opinion about everything ! and being so bigot !
You may consider this as a flame bait ! but I don't care, I just want to express a different opinion, as everybody seems to think the same way here in Slashdot. Sociologist tell us that this is always the case with "self support groups" they tend to slowly close themselves to external and different opinions, evolve to a monoculture and vehemently oppose every divergent thinking.
I wonder if people have read all Love interview. What he is saying is that UnitedLinux will be open source, the only restriction is that binary will not be furnished ! bid deal ! if you are a geek, nothing prevents you from downloading the sources and compiling them, you can even distribute the binary if you want ! the only thing you can't do is to use the UnitedLinux brand, this is I believe what Redhat is already doing anyway.
You may consider binary as a commodity, for people who don't want to go through the hassle of compiling the sources, so what's the problem if they charge for that ? the GPL only says that you need to give the sources if you are selling the binaries, and that you can't prevent people from doing the same with these binaries and sources, and from all the derived work, and they are not preventing you from this see below.
RMS can say that making money of per seat basis is bad as he wants, he leaves comfortably with to grants he has received, so ha can give lessons to others (although I respect what he has done for free software). I ran a business and I know how much making money is hard, it's a struggle of every time, every hour. Contrary to what the Slashdot monoculture seems to think, it costs a lot of money to develop real software, and relaying on hackers who work in their spare time is hardly a solution. Also, selling something everybody can have by just downloading it, when broadband is becoming more and more pervasive won't take you very far. These business have to support themselves, I think it's a fair business model. I don't see a problem if people who don't want to compile the distro themselves, or who want support pay on per seat basis, if you don't to that, it's ok, the download the sources, compile them, and install them on as much computer as you want !
Forget Ximian, apt-get see apt.freshrpms.net will let you upgrade your distro and all your rpms in seamless way. I have installled it 2 months ago and my Linux experience has completly changed.
AOL didn't start Mozilla. The Mozilla project has been started mainly thanks to Jamie Zawinsky Eric Raymond efforts, prior to the AOL take of Netscape.