I did that once d00d, and it turned out to be one happy, simple, elegant portal site. It also loaded in a jiffy in any browser without bugs, all je javascript worked flwalessly, it had selectable css style sheets through javascript that allowed you to change pretty much any element in the page, and was even w3c compliant.
As far as I know we don't have to be afraid of this, any code that goes into the kernel must surely be completely GPL, or at least not have any major catch to it, otherwise Linus and Marcelo will certainly disallow it (I hope!).
I completely agree, smbtar functions wondefully in our office, however:
The biggest win in securing office data in our office has been the introduction of a samba server with a RAID-ed network disk. Since introduction of this availablility, all our geologists (Hah!) have merged their data on it without questions or pointers.
The availability of secure, large network space has led to a proper self-maintaining archiving system on the network disk, leaving me only to do continuity checking on the server and doing regular backups of the server, not the workstations.
Also our colleagues now realize that when they loose data on a workstation, it is their own fault. Most of them only work local on large files, and create numerous backups before fiddling with them.
The fact they all have accepted and integrated this scheme in our network suggests to me you should not force them, merely offer them a better alternative should convince them.
I know it wouldn't help the ISP's a bit, but having an ISP return a blank note with the line 'sorry, this is all we found.' on it certainly doesn't constitute good law to me.
I'd suggest every ISP have sorta like a liason officer bound to certain laws, regular blind checks and stuff like that to confirm ISP are keeping their deal up too. Otherwise ISP's are free to act like they will
I finally can get all my stuff out of outlook, damn it!!! Life sucks when you use outlook and the only thing you get exported out of it is crippled data and e-mail. ugh!
This leaves the question of what a machine is. If you consider a machine just the hardware without the software, then we're done, but if a machine includes any installed software, and the software is considered a substantial (even required) component, then it's life will end as you bash>fdisk/dev/sd0. This leaves a LOT of options open!
- The donating party, when donating the PC, for which he has accepted the license, ends his license agreement with Microsoft at the moment his ownership of the donated ends. Therefore Microsoft has no legal agreement with the donating party after donation, unless the donating party retains some licensed parts from the system.
- The receiving party receives a system for which formerly applied a microsoft license, however, since they are under no obligation to accept any license by a third party in an agreement, they can decline the licenses of the software and use the system with software/licenses of their liking. Transferral of the ownership of the system completely disregards microsoft.
- Concluding, the donating party has to abide by his license with microsoft for as long as he lives, therefore he must keep the software with the PC as long as he is the owner. After termination of his ownership, the PC is free of license at convenience of the receiving party.
Whenever you purchase/get donated something, you are not automatically bound to any agreements from the former owner. These agreements must be made again and can be declined at will.
Remember, Licenses need to be accepted. Any change in ownership does not automatically mean the receivingparty accepts Microsofts terms. Forcing this to the receiving party can never be upheld in court since when the receiving party does not accept the license, there is no agreement between microsoft and the receiving party. It also means the receiving party cannot use the particular instance of the software of course.
Also, statements like this are on the edgde of criminality. Since Microsoft's website upholds a certain level of authority, customers are thus officially receiving adivisories by microsoft. Where I live, this sort of advice (which is untrue in my country, and unclear at least), statements like these are misleading, which is an offense under the court that governs the laws here.
In other words, I could sue MS for publishing this advice.
OH PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me how to do this d00d!!! I've been wasting *weeks* to get all my e-mail (550Megs) back into the original unix mailbox format (or *anything*) that comes close, and up to now only libPST (*very* Alpha!) is getting close to this functionality.
hmm, just a wild guess, but does this technique involve using the http-referrer to see if there are too many clients coming from just a particalar address (which would obviously be a *bad* thingy), and subsequently block them too?
METAPAD is a much more feasable alternative. not only is it a good and stable replacement for notepad, it's also completely free. Not to mention it isn't bloated but just a lovely lightwight text editor just what it's supposed to be.
Since keeping a low profile and getting a relatively calm surrounding for this 'A' box is evidentially vital, I propose that the server is moved outside of the U.S.A..
Since terrorist attacks (hackers == terrorists, right?) are the largest threat to this system, it is obvious that such vital machines should not be put inside the backyard of Uncle Sam.
This might also be helpfull if the system actually turns out to be helping in circumventing any US patents, and thus violating the DMCA or whatever strange stuff you do over there.;-)
I hope they haven't discovered the unified file system, something which all the unixes use to store their data. We might be looking at the demise of unix!
Mind you that schools and universities pay big buck$ to use Microsoft's software, up to several hundreds of dollars per computer. Or do they give it for free in the US?; because since februari 1st here in Europe, even high schools have to pay 300-400 Euro *per* system that uses XP. How's that for saving money when that all comes out of the tax payers budget!
I was referring to the fact that someone complained that PC's were hard to come by without OS. getting then with M$ is no problem, and has never been an issue (anywhere).
BTW, the company that sold the laptop just happens to include the following line somewhere in their price index:
"- No Windows installed - $xxx price reduction"
that *hardly* scares puter novices off, and is a very reassuring wink from the company to us geeks.
Even the average user who drops into a puter store for a quick PC asks about 'windhose'. those who don't silently accept the fact that they get it on their PC.
The point is: although all the normal *users* should be able to get PC's with M$-W without problems, we *geeks* should also be able to get them *without* it. IMHO this is left as an excercise to perform for every geek when he buys a new setup.
Because of this, and because it's very difficult to buy a PC *without* Windows, I don't think that this is at all true.
nonsense, I'm typing this on a exotic laptop brand that bundles their laptops with about 7 M$ CD-ROMS normally.
It took me two words to get it without an operating system (well, without winblows that is) in the order I placed with them:
-Without Windows
it's now humming with joy from being 100% M$ free!
Don't whine, just *ask* for it to be delivered without windows, or else take your business elsewhere. I have also found out that shops that advertise selling PC's without OS are actually cheaper!
Next thing will be that we won't be able to install our own DVD player into our PC's, maybe use only Microsoft mice, and of course no special keyboards anymore.
what's the point in separating ourselves from the rest in what/. is all about? It's a multiculture (well, geek-culture of course) discussion and news forum. Maybe it has it's own mind, but at least every opinion is hosted.
First poll suggestion:
cease apple.slashdot.org?
O Yes, please post all mac news on the real/. O Maybe, I dunno O No, I don't care about the rest, Apple is my leader O what's a poll?
Well, it's probably not the easiest approach but one that is definately looking into IMHO:
- pop the disks into a linux or un*x system on a free controller port
- pop in an extra empty disk to salvage the data to. preferable larger than both disk together;-)
- try to figure out the block size of the stripes (usually a multiple of 512 bytes)
- write a simple script that reads block n from broken RAID disk 1, and writes it to block 1 in the empty disk, then block 1 from broken RAID disk 2, to block 2 in the empty disk (ask your local unix guru)
You can fiddle with mount, df and cat/dev/hd?? > hexdump to see how data is arranged on the disks. Hardware RAID does usually not put special data blocks on the disks that make it unaccessible for these tools.
As an example, I run a software RAID and unmounted it cleanly, then remounted only one of both disks at the same point (so without the mirroring). Worked like a charm, also a nice way to continue working when one disk completely fails or you want to make copies fast;-)
Apparently Immersion tried to settle with Sony and microsoft in a civilized way and have them as licensees (see their press report!). This is a common way of doing FAIR business legally, and which can take years of legal correspondence.
Since apparently Sony and Microsoft are still refusing fair negotiations, no other choice of course can be done by immersion.
Immersion IMHO has been doing a good and fair job here. Now they face all the trouble of lengthy and expensive suits, especially because they are against the 2 toughest players around.
because you still pay per min when using a phone over there.
Well, being from across the border, I can say Europe knows broadband as well as the US do, I'd go as far as to say we have equal if not better coverage in Western Europe. Let alone whatever variant without phone ticks.
90% of the web's BullShit not only concerns only the U.S
Katz also points to AOL, well, if AOL would kick the bucket *nothing* would change here, we would only be surprised at the most.
Both the U.K. and Europe
ust this once: the U.K. *is* in Europe. And yes, Europe is far less centered on getting entertainment from the internet, that I'm sure of. A good indication is the major entertainment companies in the US that run the show there (time warner/disney). No such company here does that.
The real heart? IMO the companies like above, teleglobe and kpnquest are among the cardiovascular cells that make the internet tick.
Slashdot Mirror
ermmm,
I did that once d00d, and it turned out to be one happy, simple, elegant portal site. It also loaded in a jiffy in any browser without bugs, all je javascript worked flwalessly, it had selectable css style sheets through javascript that allowed you to change pretty much any element in the page, and was even w3c compliant.
IT CAN BE DONE!!!
you are safe...
From the most common virus threats these companies can can protect you against.
Reading between the lines isn't all that hard you know!
As far as I know we don't have to be afraid of this, any code that goes into the kernel must surely be completely GPL, or at least not have any major catch to it, otherwise Linus and Marcelo will certainly disallow it (I hope!).
I completely agree, smbtar functions wondefully in our office, however:
The biggest win in securing office data in our office has been the introduction of a samba server with a RAID-ed network disk. Since introduction of this availablility, all our geologists (Hah!) have merged their data on it without questions or pointers.
The availability of secure, large network space has led to a proper self-maintaining archiving system on the network disk, leaving me only to do continuity checking on the server and doing regular backups of the server, not the workstations.
Also our colleagues now realize that when they loose data on a workstation, it is their own fault. Most of them only work local on large files, and create numerous backups before fiddling with them.
The fact they all have accepted and integrated this scheme in our network suggests to me you should not force them, merely offer them a better alternative should convince them.
I know it wouldn't help the ISP's a bit, but having an ISP return a blank note with the line 'sorry, this is all we found.' on it certainly doesn't constitute good law to me.
I'd suggest every ISP have sorta like a liason officer bound to certain laws, regular blind checks and stuff like that to confirm ISP are keeping their deal up too. Otherwise ISP's are free to act like they will
I finally can get all my stuff out of outlook, damn it!!! Life sucks when you use outlook and the only thing you get exported out of it is crippled data and e-mail. ugh!
some *CHICKS* in space!!!
***for the life of the machine***
/dev/sd0. This leaves a LOT of options open!
This leaves the question of what a machine is. If you consider a machine just the hardware without the software, then we're done, but if a machine includes any installed software, and the software is considered a substantial (even required) component, then it's life will end as you bash>fdisk
Umm, lemme dig this out some more:
- The donating party, when donating the PC, for which he has accepted the license, ends his license agreement with Microsoft at the moment his ownership of the donated ends. Therefore Microsoft has no legal agreement with the donating party after donation, unless the donating party retains some licensed parts from the system.
- The receiving party receives a system for which formerly applied a microsoft license, however, since they are under no obligation to accept any license by a third party in an agreement, they can decline the licenses of the software and use the system with software/licenses of their liking. Transferral of the ownership of the system completely disregards microsoft.
- Concluding, the donating party has to abide by his license with microsoft for as long as he lives, therefore he must keep the software with the PC as long as he is the owner. After termination of his ownership, the PC is free of license at convenience of the receiving party.
Whenever you purchase/get donated something, you are not automatically bound to any agreements from the former owner. These agreements must be made again and can be declined at will.
but again, this is afaik...
Remember, Licenses need to be accepted. Any change in ownership does not automatically mean the receivingparty accepts Microsofts terms. Forcing this to the receiving party can never be upheld in court since when the receiving party does not accept the license, there is no agreement between microsoft and the receiving party. It also means the receiving party cannot use the particular instance of the software of course.
Also, statements like this are on the edgde of criminality. Since Microsoft's website upholds a certain level of authority, customers are thus officially receiving adivisories by microsoft. Where I live, this sort of advice (which is untrue in my country, and unclear at least), statements like these are misleading, which is an offense under the court that governs the laws here.
In other words, I could sue MS for publishing this advice.
We should write an alternative guide and provide these to schools!
Here's some ideas:
- You are under no obligation to accept any software, hardware or other parts provided.
- You may refuse any (software) licenses donated since you have not accepted them.
- You are free to reinstall any software to the machines provided that you aqcuire valid licenses for this software
- etc.
OH PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me how to do this d00d!!! I've been wasting *weeks* to get all my e-mail (550Megs) back into the original unix mailbox format (or *anything*) that comes close, and up to now only libPST (*very* Alpha!) is getting close to this functionality.
hmm, just a wild guess, but does this technique involve using the http-referrer to see if there are too many clients coming from just a particalar address (which would obviously be a *bad* thingy), and subsequently block them too?
might explain why we can't see it no more
I want it too!!! it seems to work pretty good!
METAPAD is a much more feasable alternative. not only is it a good and stable replacement for notepad, it's also completely free. Not to mention it isn't bloated but just a lovely lightwight text editor just what it's supposed to be.
Funny how these jewels go so unnoticed so often
/me quickly returns to vi
Since keeping a low profile and getting a relatively calm surrounding for this 'A' box is evidentially vital, I propose that the server is moved outside of the U.S.A..
;-)
Since terrorist attacks (hackers == terrorists, right?) are the largest threat to this system, it is obvious that such vital machines should not be put inside the backyard of Uncle Sam.
This might also be helpfull if the system actually turns out to be helping in circumventing any US patents, and thus violating the DMCA or whatever strange stuff you do over there.
I hope they haven't discovered the unified file system, something which all the unixes use to store their data. We might be looking at the demise of unix!
oh wait, where do we put Progra~1 then?
- runs away to see if it's patentable
Mind you that schools and universities pay big buck$ to use Microsoft's software, up to several hundreds of dollars per computer. Or do they give it for free in the US?; because since februari 1st here in Europe, even high schools have to pay 300-400 Euro *per* system that uses XP. How's that for saving money when that all comes out of the tax payers budget!
Well You're missing the point here:
I was referring to the fact that someone complained that PC's were hard to come by without OS. getting then with M$ is no problem, and has never been an issue (anywhere).
BTW, the company that sold the laptop just happens to include the following line somewhere in their price index:
"- No Windows installed - $xxx price reduction"
that *hardly* scares puter novices off, and is a very reassuring wink from the company to us geeks.
Even the average user who drops into a puter store for a quick PC asks about 'windhose'. those who don't silently accept the fact that they get it on their PC.
The point is: although all the normal *users* should be able to get PC's with M$-W without problems, we *geeks* should also be able to get them *without* it. IMHO this is left as an excercise to perform for every geek when he buys a new setup.
Because of this, and because it's very difficult to buy a PC *without* Windows, I don't think that this is at all true.
nonsense, I'm typing this on a exotic laptop brand that bundles their laptops with about 7 M$ CD-ROMS normally.
It took me two words to get it without an operating system (well, without winblows that is) in the order I placed with them:
-Without Windows
it's now humming with joy from being 100% M$ free!
Don't whine, just *ask* for it to be delivered without windows, or else take your business elsewhere. I have also found out that shops that advertise selling PC's without OS are actually cheaper!
Next thing will be that we won't be able to install our own DVD player into our PC's, maybe use only Microsoft mice, and of course no special keyboards anymore.
Ah geez people:
s oft.slashdot.NET
/. is all about? It's a multiculture (well, geek-culture of course) discussion and news forum. Maybe it has it's own mind, but at least every opinion is hosted.
/.
apple.slashdot.org
windows.slashdot.COM
micro
freebsd.slashdot.edu
what's the point in separating ourselves from the rest in what
First poll suggestion:
cease apple.slashdot.org?
O Yes, please post all mac news on the real
O Maybe, I dunno
O No, I don't care about the rest, Apple is my leader
O what's a poll?
Well, it's probably not the easiest approach but one that is definately looking into IMHO:
;-)
/dev/hd?? > hexdump to see how data is arranged on the disks. Hardware RAID does usually not put special data blocks on the disks that make it unaccessible for these tools.
;-)
- pop the disks into a linux or un*x system on a free controller port
- pop in an extra empty disk to salvage the data to. preferable larger than both disk together
- try to figure out the block size of the stripes (usually a multiple of 512 bytes)
- write a simple script that reads block n from broken RAID disk 1, and writes it to block 1 in the empty disk, then block 1 from broken RAID disk 2, to block 2 in the empty disk (ask your local unix guru)
You can fiddle with mount, df and cat
As an example, I run a software RAID and unmounted it cleanly, then remounted only one of both disks at the same point (so without the mirroring). Worked like a charm, also a nice way to continue working when one disk completely fails or you want to make copies fast
good luck
Apparently Immersion tried to settle with Sony and microsoft in a civilized way and have them as licensees (see their press report!). This is a common way of doing FAIR business legally, and which can take years of legal correspondence.
Since apparently Sony and Microsoft are still refusing fair negotiations, no other choice of course can be done by immersion.
Immersion IMHO has been doing a good and fair job here. Now they face all the trouble of lengthy and expensive suits, especially because they are against the 2 toughest players around.
erm, sorry, I'm NOT in the U.K.
because you still pay per min when using a phone over there.
Well, being from across the border, I can say Europe knows broadband as well as the US do, I'd go as far as to say we have equal if not better coverage in Western Europe. Let alone whatever variant without phone ticks.
90% of the web's BullShit not only concerns only the U.S
Katz also points to AOL, well, if AOL would kick the bucket *nothing* would change here, we would only be surprised at the most.
Both the U.K. and Europe
ust this once: the U.K. *is* in Europe. And yes, Europe is far less centered on getting entertainment from the internet, that I'm sure of. A good indication is the major entertainment companies in the US that run the show there (time warner/disney). No such company here does that.
The real heart? IMO the companies like above, teleglobe and kpnquest are among the cardiovascular cells that make the internet tick.
The .NET is just a virus trying to infect it.