The exact point of what I wrote above is that I use windows 98 as my operating system, and that windows 98 is an operating system that can run warcraft II. While linux cannot run warcraft II.
The point of my argument is that you cannot attack the arguer instead of the argument. Maybe linux is a ripoff of unix. My original argument still stands.
Note that it is illegal to create a hack that disables the CD checking. I'm not saying I'm against the hacks, I'm just saying don't act surprised if blizzard would send the hack's authors a cease and desist. Those handful of people who play it with replacement artwork are the ones blizzard is concerned about. The game is more than the artwork.
It would be a nice idea to have warcraft cd key checking in freecraft. But I don't know if all the early versions of warcraft II came with CD-keys.
ATTENTION MODERATORS: Ignore the parent post. I'm not wrong, he is. AND HE HIT ME!
I don't work for blizzard. I'm a 20 year old calarts student who lives in los angeles. I play a lot of games, I work a lot on the computer. I'm not trying to say that this is a nice thing for blizzard to do. What I'm saying is that it is ethically justifiable.
It is illegal to freely provide such a close imitaion of a retail game, no matter how low-quality you can make it.
I think it would be great if blizzard made a linux version of the game, but if they don't, that doesn't make it legal for someone else to.
Well, first of all. Humans and computer games are different things, and the same rules do not apply to both. (I know, I've used computers enough confuse the two on occasion.)
You obviously ignored my argument. I am not a direct imitation of my parents. I am an abstraction, with many and random genetic mutations. FreeCraft is not Warcraft II's child. It is Warcraft II's clone.
And as far as I believe, blizzard also owns the rights to warcraft's "children".
That's like saying that you arn't infringing on ford's patent by selling fords without paint. You could say that the car can be made into any type of car, and it will only be a ford if you already own ford paint for it.
Yeah, I see how it is a coldhearted move. It means more money for a corporation, and less game products for the masses.
If they make the game work on linux, that's great. Why don't they give the code to blizzard and let blizzard sell it, it's blizzard's game. You want to give a game away for free, make one that's not a carbon copy of one that's still for sale.
Luckely for us. When they ripped off the older computers, they added newer functionality and improved the computer. If they had done as strict an imitation as FreeCraft is of Warcraft. Then all the clones would still be 8088 computers.
This is not like walmart attacking a lemonaid stand. This is like walmart sending a cease and desist letter to "walfree" across the street, asking them to stop giving away items shoplifted from the walmart. And no matter how big and evil walmart is, they have all the right to do so.
There's a difference between competing products that do work and intellectual property. If you make a game, and someone makes a game that has the capability of being indistinguishable from the original, that second game is obviously a ripoff of the original. I hate many of the powers of copyrights/patents/etc, but I think this is a valid case of copyright infringment. There's no good reason to do something like this. The people at blizzard spend a lot of time making the games, and they deserve the profits from people who play the game.
Yeah, so maybe warcraft II doesn't work on linux. It doesn't work without a cd-rom drive either. If I don't have a cd-rom drive is it legal for me to just download it without paying?
Is it just me? or is freecraft a blatant ripoff of warcraft. I saw a screenshot that could have come from warcraft. Little green orcs, harvesting gold and lumbar. There was even the building with the telescope in it. It's not hard to start a computer company, it's just hard to start a company called "Mikrosoft".
Make up your own damn game. Don't remake someone else's.
"'It's certainly not helpful to have a standard that keeps changing,' says Peter Becker, a scientist at the Federal Standards Laboratory..."
Wow, someone should tell the computer industry that.
"Some of the metal plugs were issued to countries that later vanished, including Serbia and the Dutch East Indies. The Japanese had to surrender theirs after World War II. Germany has acquired several weights, including the one issued to Bavaria in 1889 and the one that belonged to East Germany."
"What is the significance of the spoon irritating-boy gives Neo?"
It saved his life, that assasin was coming towards him when the guy yelled out "Neo!" because he was bringing the spoon. Hhad he not yelled that and caused everyone to turn around, then that guy would have stabbed neo.
The five others were not neo, but like him, they were "The one". Those other versions of neo you see on the wall are all his "alternate responses". they were other possible things he would have done.
Since when do the people at radio shack have competence with technology?
Me: Where are your LEDs? Employee: (blank stare) Me: uh, it's a little tiny light made out of plastic. Employee: maybe it's on a shelf Me: (blank stare)
That is the same thing, stop being closed-minded. The meaning of:
"Besides, the revolution, if there is one, will probably have a web site, but it will run on Apache and Perl Scripts. There won't be an AOL keyword...."
could be translated as:
AOL will not endorse this and it will be the sum efforts of individuals withought any corporate sponsorships.
Which is much closer to the point of the piece and has nothing to do with nerds vs not-nerds. It takes place in relation to computers because that is what the piece has been atapted too. And in both the original piece, the adaptation, and the quote I used above, the point still stands that corporate conveniences will not aid in the restructuring of the world.
Wow, do I have to do the thinking for everyone else? I am normally not so rude, but I am not a "biased elitist coder", don't think that you know me, because I doubt that you do.
uh, he's not making a geek refrence, what he's saying is pretty much what you say in your last sentence
"Besides, the revolution, if there is one, will probably have a web site, but it will run on Apache and Perl Scripts. There won't be an AOL keyword...."
Here's a bigger hint to the clueless moron: If everyone sat around and ate "shreddies" while watching TV, there would be much less violence in this world, the problem is that people put down their toys and picked up guns. Just because some people in this world fight each other doesn't mean I will destroy my life. My life is made of many things, my life is made of the people I know, My life is made by a consumer culture and it's governing systems. My life is made of the plants in my yards and the shows on my TV. Whether or not I choose to watch TV is a different matter, it's a choice I make in my life. Personally, I don't have time for TV, I've not watched it in a long while. But if I did have time, I would watch all the cartoons I wanted.
YOU WANT SOME DAMN PRIORITIES? How can you solve your problems?!, in your life?!, right now?! If you are so concerned over the deaths in this world, why don't you go do something about it. Don't sit in front of a computer and tell everyong else not to talk about anything but the wars. Go solve the damn problem. Fight against the war, fight against the iraqis, fight with the iraqis, whatever you want. If I want to sit at home and play diablo, I will. If I want to go down to the store and buy a sandwich, I will. And nothing you can say, about any other part of the world, will make me feel guilty about eating my sandwich.
I don't like death, I agree with you, death is bad. But life includes "shreddies" and "cowboy bebop", so get over it.
I have to confess, I've not seen the honda ad yet. (School computer). But I've seen the video that many people discussing this article are talking about, the swiss film, "The Way Things Go".
"The Way Things Go" is a half hour long, and there are about 10 cheats, not good CG ones either, But slow dissolves that anyone would be able to see, the way things go is also very slow, sometimes you wait about a minute for a liquid to spill across a surface, sometimes the transitions occur during this liquid spreading. Don't get me wrong, I liked the film, but if someone has done a great number of similar effects with only one cheat in under a minute, I would assume it would be a lot more impressive. And who cares if it's been done before. Most things have been done before.
I think you people are just mad bacause it's honda and they make crappy cars.
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The exact point of what I wrote above is that I use windows 98 as my operating system, and that windows 98 is an operating system that can run warcraft II. While linux cannot run warcraft II.
The point of my argument is that you cannot attack the arguer instead of the argument. Maybe linux is a ripoff of unix. My original argument still stands.
Note that it is illegal to create a hack that disables the CD checking. I'm not saying I'm against the hacks, I'm just saying don't act surprised if blizzard would send the hack's authors a cease and desist. Those handful of people who play it with replacement artwork are the ones blizzard is concerned about. The game is more than the artwork.
It would be a nice idea to have warcraft cd key checking in freecraft. But I don't know if all the early versions of warcraft II came with CD-keys.
ATTENTION MODERATORS: Ignore the parent post. I'm not wrong, he is. AND HE HIT ME!
I don't work for blizzard. I'm a 20 year old calarts student who lives in los angeles. I play a lot of games, I work a lot on the computer. I'm not trying to say that this is a nice thing for blizzard to do. What I'm saying is that it is ethically justifiable.
It is illegal to freely provide such a close imitaion of a retail game, no matter how low-quality you can make it.
I think it would be great if blizzard made a linux version of the game, but if they don't, that doesn't make it legal for someone else to.
Well, first of all. Humans and computer games are different things, and the same rules do not apply to both. (I know, I've used computers enough confuse the two on occasion.)
You obviously ignored my argument. I am not a direct imitation of my parents. I am an abstraction, with many and random genetic mutations. FreeCraft is not Warcraft II's child. It is Warcraft II's clone.
And as far as I believe, blizzard also owns the rights to warcraft's "children".
Warcraft II without the proper art is still warcraft II, it's just a crappy version of it.
That's like saying that you arn't infringing on ford's patent by selling fords without paint. You could say that the car can be made into any type of car, and it will only be a ford if you already own ford paint for it.
Yeah, I see how it is a coldhearted move. It means more money for a corporation, and less game products for the masses.
If they make the game work on linux, that's great. Why don't they give the code to blizzard and let blizzard sell it, it's blizzard's game. You want to give a game away for free, make one that's not a carbon copy of one that's still for sale.
I still use windows98. It can run warcraft II.
Luckely for us. When they ripped off the older computers, they added newer functionality and improved the computer. If they had done as strict an imitation as FreeCraft is of Warcraft. Then all the clones would still be 8088 computers.
This is not like walmart attacking a lemonaid stand. This is like walmart sending a cease and desist letter to "walfree" across the street, asking them to stop giving away items shoplifted from the walmart. And no matter how big and evil walmart is, they have all the right to do so.
There's a difference between competing products that do work and intellectual property. If you make a game, and someone makes a game that has the capability of being indistinguishable from the original, that second game is obviously a ripoff of the original. I hate many of the powers of copyrights/patents/etc, but I think this is a valid case of copyright infringment. There's no good reason to do something like this. The people at blizzard spend a lot of time making the games, and they deserve the profits from people who play the game.
Yeah, so maybe warcraft II doesn't work on linux. It doesn't work without a cd-rom drive either. If I don't have a cd-rom drive is it legal for me to just download it without paying?
eh, spelling happens.
Is it just me? or is freecraft a blatant ripoff of warcraft. I saw a screenshot that could have come from warcraft. Little green orcs, harvesting gold and lumbar. There was even the building with the telescope in it. It's not hard to start a computer company, it's just hard to start a company called "Mikrosoft".
Make up your own damn game. Don't remake someone else's.
If it were up to her, madonna mp3's would be programs.
user: "Uh, why is this madonna song cursing at me and erasing my hard drive?"
Stop your whining. Get it. wine.
oh never mind.
"'It's certainly not helpful to have a standard that keeps changing,' says Peter Becker, a scientist at the Federal Standards Laboratory..."
Wow, someone should tell the computer industry that.
"Some of the metal plugs were issued to countries that later vanished, including Serbia and the Dutch East Indies. The Japanese had to surrender theirs after World War II. Germany has acquired several weights, including the one issued to Bavaria in 1889 and the one that belonged to East Germany."
SURRENDER YOUR KILOGRAM!
"What is the significance of the spoon irritating-boy gives Neo?"
It saved his life, that assasin was coming towards him when the guy yelled out "Neo!" because he was bringing the spoon. Hhad he not yelled that and caused everyone to turn around, then that guy would have stabbed neo.
The five others were not neo, but like him, they were "The one". Those other versions of neo you see on the wall are all his "alternate responses". they were other possible things he would have done.
Since when do the people at radio shack have competence with technology?
Me: Where are your LEDs?
Employee: (blank stare)
Me: uh, it's a little tiny light made out of plastic.
Employee: maybe it's on a shelf
Me: (blank stare)
Unless you remember that in the film, they used EMP to defend against the robots.
I know it's just indexed by name, but this can be useful.
http://findsounds.com/
That's one way of protecting a document.
"Ok, you can read my files, here's the image to unlock them"
"Oh dear god! NO!!!!!!!!"
I think it's so they don't fall down the hole, they could do that if they were square and you turned them at an angle.
That is the same thing, stop being closed-minded. The meaning of:
"Besides, the revolution, if there is one, will probably have a web site, but it will run on Apache and Perl Scripts. There won't be an AOL keyword...."
could be translated as:
AOL will not endorse this and it will be the sum efforts of individuals withought any corporate sponsorships.
Which is much closer to the point of the piece and has nothing to do with nerds vs not-nerds. It takes place in relation to computers because that is what the piece has been atapted too. And in both the original piece, the adaptation, and the quote I used above, the point still stands that corporate conveniences will not aid in the restructuring of the world.
Wow, do I have to do the thinking for everyone else? I am normally not so rude, but I am not a "biased elitist coder", don't think that you know me, because I doubt that you do.
uh, he's not making a geek refrence, what he's saying is pretty much what you say in your last sentence
"Besides, the revolution, if there is one, will probably have a web site, but it will run on Apache and Perl Scripts. There won't be an AOL keyword...."
hence his line
"revolution is not an aol keyword."
Here's a bigger hint to the clueless moron: If everyone sat around and ate "shreddies" while watching TV, there would be much less violence in this world, the problem is that people put down their toys and picked up guns. Just because some people in this world fight each other doesn't mean I will destroy my life. My life is made of many things, my life is made of the people I know, My life is made by a consumer culture and it's governing systems. My life is made of the plants in my yards and the shows on my TV. Whether or not I choose to watch TV is a different matter, it's a choice I make in my life. Personally, I don't have time for TV, I've not watched it in a long while. But if I did have time, I would watch all the cartoons I wanted.
YOU WANT SOME DAMN PRIORITIES? How can you solve your problems?!, in your life?!, right now?! If you are so concerned over the deaths in this world, why don't you go do something about it. Don't sit in front of a computer and tell everyong else not to talk about anything but the wars. Go solve the damn problem. Fight against the war, fight against the iraqis, fight with the iraqis, whatever you want. If I want to sit at home and play diablo, I will. If I want to go down to the store and buy a sandwich, I will. And nothing you can say, about any other part of the world, will make me feel guilty about eating my sandwich.
I don't like death, I agree with you, death is bad. But life includes "shreddies" and "cowboy bebop", so get over it.
I have to confess, I've not seen the honda ad yet. (School computer). But I've seen the video that many people discussing this article are talking about, the swiss film, "The Way Things Go".
"The Way Things Go" is a half hour long, and there are about 10 cheats, not good CG ones either, But slow dissolves that anyone would be able to see, the way things go is also very slow, sometimes you wait about a minute for a liquid to spill across a surface, sometimes the transitions occur during this liquid spreading. Don't get me wrong, I liked the film, but if someone has done a great number of similar effects with only one cheat in under a minute, I would assume it would be a lot more impressive. And who cares if it's been done before. Most things have been done before.
I think you people are just mad bacause it's honda and they make crappy cars.