Picking up the FF franchise will swing a lot of people away from Sony over to Xbox. The only new games my wife and I get anymore are FF and GTA.
Porting one game in the series (and a MMORPG at that) is hardly picking up the franchise.
Just like a whole helluva lot of XBox games, it'll be a port - wake me when the XBox has one of the "real" FF games exclusively, and not something that's been on the PS2 and PC for a few years now.
Not to mention that Square has already voiced that they will strongly support Nintendo's new offerings.
unless you're actually downloading FreeNet kiddy porn, how can you tell?
Seems like it's bad enough that (for example) this FreeNet index has felt obligated to include a short essay and an "Enter Here at Your Own Risk" warning on their front page.
Looking at the actual index for a moment (somewhat, the idiot webmaster decided to put in a username/password prompt that keeps coming back endlessly), I notice 3 or 4 immediate child porn/pedophile-related links right on the front page, several links to regular porn, a link to the "Freenet Drugs Index", "The Illuminati Agenda" (heh), and so on.
Not that it's necessarily anything you couldn't find on the normal Web with a little work, but at the very least it sure doesn't give any advantages.
Your strategy of taking an entire series of games and then comparing their combined sales numbers to a single game isn't very convincing.
Your strategy of making a general statement and then saying "Oh, I really meant *specific limiting condition*" is also not very convincing.
I was referring to the sales of both Halo 1 & 2 combined - together, the two games have sold around 8.2 million copies.
Even if you just take the sales of Pokemon Blue & Red (the original two games, each sold about 5 million copies each), they've done about 10 million sales in the US alone. Add about another 3-5 million sales for each other game in the series you want to consider, even more if you want to consider Japanese sales.
I'm talking about people who can drive. Not too many of them are interested in Pokemon.
Do you have sales numbers broken down by age ranges to prove this? Or are you just automatically assuming that nobody 18+ would ever want to play Pokemon?
Although SSB is a good game (I own it), I basically bought it because it was one of the few games that I could sit around with some buddies and play. Then we got XBoxs and only play Halo 2. Sure, this is anecdotal, but I have a feeling my story is mirrored by some others.
I know many (college-age and adult) people that hate Halo, and would much rather sit around playing SSB and SSBM if given a choice.
There's no need to make assinine remarks like that because I made some remarks about the console that you made yourself a fanboy over.
Disagreeing with you makes me a fanboy? Umm, ok.
I guess I suck at being a fanboy, because I bought a PS2 before I got a Cube, and I have many more PS1 & 2 games than I do for the Cube:)
You like to play games geared to a young audience?
No, I like to play games that are fun, and that provide an overall good gaming experience.
Many games on Nintendo systems offer that, and hence I play them - I don't subscribe to the "OMG, this game has bright colors and/or some cuteness, it is teh kiddie!!!!111" mentality, sorry.
If a game's fun, it's fun.
Think that's the majority case? Probably not.
Maybe it's not. So what? Nintendo's not leading the market, but they're not exactly doing badly either.
Your parent poster wasn't talking about game originality or whatnot, he was talking about games that people generally want to play.
It seemed he was trying to insinuate that Nintendo titles are largely "a bunch of mario spinoffs and tetris.", and hence, un-original.
The majority of their games seem to be sequels with the same tired characters with the same sort of gameplay.
Perhaps you could mention some specific titles, because i'm not seeing it here. The basic concepts for some of the games (mainly the Zelda games) are somewhat the same, but pretty much all their first-party games are unique experiences.
As well, I have to wonder why people always condem only Nintendo for re-using characters, when the number of sequels (not to mention total-piece-of-crap games) on the PS1 & 2 is gigantic.
And I don't care how you cut it, your average American kid would probably rather run his friends over with trucks in Halo then play Smash Brothers Five.
Ah, so that's why the two Smash Bros. titles sold a combined total of ~3 million or so? Or why the Pokemon games have sold more than Halo 1 & 2 combined a few times over?
I'm guessing you probably don't know as much about the average American kid (or game player in general) as you think you do.
The majority of their videogames are single player (or at least not networked) children's games. Flashy disney/fisher-price style games with playability but no real content.
They're not going to spend that kind of cash on a console that basically just plays a bunch of mario spinoffs and tetris.
Which Nintendo games have you actually played personally for more than 5 minutes? Apparently not very many, since you seem to have no clue whatsoever about what's available.
But if a gamer adult wants to invest money in a console, they're going to spend it on a console where they can play games like Doom3
PC port.
CounterStrike
Another PC port, and of a practically ancient game at that.
Halo2
If you don't mind it being a sequel and a game that started life as a PC/Mac game.
Neverwinter Nights
Maybe i've missed something, but this isn't even available on any consoles, only the PC.
How amazingly original these other consoles ( or in your case, the XBox ) are! Surely nothing Nintendo produces could ever come close!
Their sales are pushed not by quality games and interesting products, but by the fact that people who buy a gamecube are usually buying them for a child and the adult doing it thinks "videogame" and "nintendo" are synonymous and don't know better.
Once again this comic is ever so appropriate. And for the record, I'm 25 and own both a PS2 and a Cube.
And then when you have that degree or certificate, you can brag about how knowledgable you are compared to everyone else... well, except the people that spent the four years you were getting an IT education getting four years of their own real world experience.
Not everyone wastes the time inbetween classes by drinking, partying, or otherwise screwing around, you know.
By the time I finished my 4-year degree, I also had 2 1/2 years of real-world experience from co-op jobs and other work. In fact, the degree program specifically requires at least 30 weeks of full-time work in the IT field before you can graduate.
I used to use ICQ way back in the day, but found it to be more of an annoyance than anything useful.
If you don't want to be messaged about every little thing, then inform your contacts of that fact, and use the features (closed buddy list and such) that keep random people from talking to you.
My rationale is, if its not important, send me an email. If it _is_ important, give me a call.
So you use email for real-time communication when you can't (or don't want to) call someone on the phone? Seems pretty inefficient.
but for some reason, Nintendo's ugly green-and-black just won out.
The Gamegear had (compared to the Gameboy) horrible battery life, small game selection, a screen that tended to blur/look washed-out, a propensity for overheating, and so on.
Its death isn't quite as suprising if you actually used one for an extended period. Not that the Gameboy didn't have its own flaws, but I think it was just more balanced with good vs. bad.
There's something to be said about someone who can't criticize without personal insults.
I found your attitude and assumptions about me in your last post(s) to be pretty personally insulting as well, so I guess we're even.
But hey, at least you got some Karma points out of it.
My karma has been maxed out for years, I could really care less. If people like what I write, then fine. If not, so be it. I can't and won't agree with everyone.
The cube runs a very distant third in console markets.
Not in Japan it doesn't. And here in the US, it's not in 3rd by a very large number, especially considering how the PS2 is selling more than the Xbox and Cube combined.
Nintendo has to adapt atleast somewhat to the current cultural zeitgeist if they want to avoid becomming irrelevent.
Do they? People have been predicting the fading of Nintendo for years now, ever since the 'Cube came out, and it still hasn't happened.
Sure, they're not #1 at the moment, but they're certainly not in serious trouble. I think a lot of video game enthusiasts ( or at least the younger ones ) just subscribe to the idea that if you're not #1, then you're dead.
Eh? Look, if you didn't want comments on your opinion(s), then you shouldn't have posted anything. My apologies if I came across as insulting, but I stand by what I said.
I take it you're a big suscriber of "check me out! I'm a hipster nerd with a cool gadget" mentality.
Heh...I carry a cellphone which stays in silent mode and in my pocket 90% of the time. I barely use and don't carry my PDA. The only other portable gadget I own is an ancient Gameboy Pocket, that comes out sometimes if I get bored waiting somewhere. My personal computer is about 5 years old, just like the TV and pretty much all the electronic equipment I have, except for the Gamecube and PS2.
If that qualifies me as a "hipster nerd", then damn...Who knew it was so easy...I could have been hip years ago:(
A portable video game is a pathetic status symbol.
A game is a piss-poor status symbol, I agree. As soon as I find someone actually treating it as one, i'll let you know.
This is just my view of things, maybe I'm the one living a fantasy world.
Not like this will change your mind, but I think what you're doing is letting preconceived notions about something being too "kiddie" have too much influence.
If you can't get over that, and you're too embarassed/cool/sophisticated/etc. to play games in public...Then fine. Just don't act like everyone else feels the same.
I don't mean to hate all over some of the posters here but many self-respecting adults wouldn't be caught dead playing with either one of these, in public at least
The horror! Someone might see you playing a game with bright colors or some cutsey characters! If you're really so insecure that you won't play a good game because you're afraid you'll be laughed at....Get some help. Or new friends.
Would you? I hope not, unless you enjoy getting laughed at
Personally, i've never seen anyone ever get ridiculed for playing a game in public. God knows they're not any worse than the cell phones people tote around these days.
I bought. But am I missing something? The game seems like a remarkably simple fighter with very unresponsive controls.
Not sure what to make of that - the game has always seemed quite responsive to me. You have to learn how to time certain attacks, and learning how to consistently do Smash attacks can be annoying, but I don't consider it a flaw.
As far as being simple...I don't have any links available offhand, but there are videos posted in various places of people doing some pretty amazing stuff. Look for Home Run Contest videos in particular, and you'll see what I mean.
m I doing something wrong here? Does anbody else feel this way? I honestly feel like I'm playing a different game than everybody else.
If you and your friends are just playing it as a button-masher without attempting to use some strategy....Then yes, probably. Again, find some videos of good players to look at, and you'll see what I mean.
Nintendo claims they are only for kids so they make cartoonly looking games like Zelda WIndmaker which frankly suck.
Have you actually played Wind Waker for more than 5 minutes?
Read adults buy a PS2.
I own a PS2 AND a Gamcube (bought the Cube first, even), and i'm a 24 year-old college graduate. I know a horde of similar people who own both systems as well.
Then Nintendo's marketing department looks at statistics which then show only little kids buy their games so again they focus their consoles on making games like Pokeman.
Again, which Nintendo games have you played, exactly? Seeing as you couldn't even spell the two you mentioned correctly, i'm guessing the number isn't very high.
Meanwhile they are losing money without realizing it.
Care to back that up?
Sure, Sony's ahead of everyone, but last time I saw some figures, Nintendo was making a modest profit, and Microsoft's XBox division was still bleeding a decent amount of money.
With no clear route for the next Star Trek Movie either, the future of Trek is looking dark indeed.
Indeed...DS9 could have a movie done, due to the storyline not having been wrapped up tight, but even that would be a bit of a stretch.
If there even should be a new movie, that is. Leaving the theatre after seeing the horror that was ST:Nemesis, all I could think was "God, just let it die..."
Personally, I think the series hit its stride somewhere in the 3rd season....By the 6th and 7th, I can't say that it was incredible, but by no means was it as unwatchable as some of the Voyager episodes.
If it continues the way it has gone in this past season it should easily pass Voyager in quality and could potentially reach TNG standards
Let me get this straight - After 4 years (or however long it's been running) you're saying it's not even better than Voyager yet, and not up to the standards of TNG?
You're only reinforcing the reason i'm not watching it...I'll just stick to my slow acquisition of the DS9 box sets instead.
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Picking up the FF franchise will swing a lot of people away from Sony over to Xbox. The only new games my wife and I get anymore are FF and GTA.
Porting one game in the series (and a MMORPG at that) is hardly picking up the franchise.
Just like a whole helluva lot of XBox games, it'll be a port - wake me when the XBox has one of the "real" FF games exclusively, and not something that's been on the PS2 and PC for a few years now.
Not to mention that Square has already voiced that they will strongly support Nintendo's new offerings.
unless you're actually downloading FreeNet kiddy porn, how can you tell?
Seems like it's bad enough that (for example) this FreeNet index has felt obligated to include a short essay and an "Enter Here at Your Own Risk" warning on their front page.
Looking at the actual index for a moment (somewhat, the idiot webmaster decided to put in a username/password prompt that keeps coming back endlessly), I notice 3 or 4 immediate child porn/pedophile-related links right on the front page, several links to regular porn, a link to the "Freenet Drugs Index", "The Illuminati Agenda" (heh), and so on.
Not that it's necessarily anything you couldn't find on the normal Web with a little work, but at the very least it sure doesn't give any advantages.
Your strategy of taking an entire series of games and then comparing their combined sales numbers to a single game isn't very convincing.
:)
Your strategy of making a general statement and then saying "Oh, I really meant *specific limiting condition*" is also not very convincing.
I was referring to the sales of both Halo 1 & 2 combined - together, the two games have sold around 8.2 million copies.
Even if you just take the sales of Pokemon Blue & Red (the original two games, each sold about 5 million copies each), they've done about 10 million sales in the US alone. Add about another 3-5 million sales for each other game in the series you want to consider, even more if you want to consider Japanese sales.
I'm talking about people who can drive. Not too many of them are interested in Pokemon.
Do you have sales numbers broken down by age ranges to prove this? Or are you just automatically assuming that nobody 18+ would ever want to play Pokemon?
Although SSB is a good game (I own it), I basically bought it because it was one of the few games that I could sit around with some buddies and play. Then we got XBoxs and only play Halo 2. Sure, this is anecdotal, but I have a feeling my story is mirrored by some others.
I know many (college-age and adult) people that hate Halo, and would much rather sit around playing SSB and SSBM if given a choice.
There's no need to make assinine remarks like that because I made some remarks about the console that you made yourself a fanboy over.
Disagreeing with you makes me a fanboy? Umm, ok.
I guess I suck at being a fanboy, because I bought a PS2 before I got a Cube, and I have many more PS1 & 2 games than I do for the Cube
You like to play games geared to a young audience?
No, I like to play games that are fun, and that provide an overall good gaming experience.
Many games on Nintendo systems offer that, and hence I play them - I don't subscribe to the "OMG, this game has bright colors and/or some cuteness, it is teh kiddie!!!!111" mentality, sorry.
If a game's fun, it's fun.
Think that's the majority case? Probably not.
Maybe it's not. So what? Nintendo's not leading the market, but they're not exactly doing badly either.
Your parent poster wasn't talking about game originality or whatnot, he was talking about games that people generally want to play.
It seemed he was trying to insinuate that Nintendo titles are largely "a bunch of mario spinoffs and tetris.", and hence, un-original.
The majority of their games seem to be sequels with the same tired characters with the same sort of gameplay.
Perhaps you could mention some specific titles, because i'm not seeing it here. The basic concepts for some of the games (mainly the Zelda games) are somewhat the same, but pretty much all their first-party games are unique experiences.
As well, I have to wonder why people always condem only Nintendo for re-using characters, when the number of sequels (not to mention total-piece-of-crap games) on the PS1 & 2 is gigantic.
And I don't care how you cut it, your average American kid would probably rather run his friends over with trucks in Halo then play Smash Brothers Five.
Ah, so that's why the two Smash Bros. titles sold a combined total of ~3 million or so? Or why the Pokemon games have sold more than Halo 1 & 2 combined a few times over?
I'm guessing you probably don't know as much about the average American kid (or game player in general) as you think you do.
The majority of their videogames are single player (or at least not networked) children's games. Flashy disney/fisher-price style games with playability but no real content.
They're not going to spend that kind of cash on a console that basically just plays a bunch of mario spinoffs and tetris.
Which Nintendo games have you actually played personally for more than 5 minutes? Apparently not very many, since you seem to have no clue whatsoever about what's available.
But if a gamer adult wants to invest money in a console, they're going to spend it on a console where they can play games like Doom3
PC port.
CounterStrike
Another PC port, and of a practically ancient game at that.
Halo2
If you don't mind it being a sequel and a game that started life as a PC/Mac game.
Neverwinter Nights
Maybe i've missed something, but this isn't even available on any consoles, only the PC.
How amazingly original these other consoles ( or in your case, the XBox ) are! Surely nothing Nintendo produces could ever come close!
Their sales are pushed not by quality games and interesting products, but by the fact that people who buy a gamecube are usually buying them for a child and the adult doing it thinks "videogame" and "nintendo" are synonymous and don't know better.
Once again this comic is ever so appropriate. And for the record, I'm 25 and own both a PS2 and a Cube.
I'm not sure why PS2 is so popular, as it seems like most of the games that come out for it are crap, or out on another system with better graphics.
At the moment, the PS2 has a gigantic selection of RPG's available, compared to the other consoles. That's why I bought one, anyway.
Hurry the hell up and do it already, with my blessing.
Looking at the old 301 reports, I see mention that Canada has been on the "Watch List" since 1995, along with a host of other countries.
And then when you have that degree or certificate, you can brag about how knowledgable you are compared to everyone else... well, except the people that spent the four years you were getting an IT education getting four years of their own real world experience.
Not everyone wastes the time inbetween classes by drinking, partying, or otherwise screwing around, you know.
By the time I finished my 4-year degree, I also had 2 1/2 years of real-world experience from co-op jobs and other work. In fact, the degree program specifically requires at least 30 weeks of full-time work in the IT field before you can graduate.
I used to use ICQ way back in the day, but found it to be more of an annoyance than anything useful.
If you don't want to be messaged about every little thing, then inform your contacts of that fact, and use the features (closed buddy list and such) that keep random people from talking to you.
My rationale is, if its not important, send me an email. If it _is_ important, give me a call.
So you use email for real-time communication when you can't (or don't want to) call someone on the phone? Seems pretty inefficient.
No actual news articles... just a bunch of blogs carrying the story.
Hmm? What's this?
mine only had ONE dead pixel
Are dead pixels really that common that you can brag about having only one? If so, sounds like another reason for not buying one.
but for some reason, Nintendo's ugly green-and-black just won out.
The Gamegear had (compared to the Gameboy) horrible battery life, small game selection, a screen that tended to blur/look washed-out, a propensity for overheating, and so on.
Its death isn't quite as suprising if you actually used one for an extended period. Not that the Gameboy didn't have its own flaws, but I think it was just more balanced with good vs. bad.
There's something to be said about someone who can't criticize without personal insults.
I found your attitude and assumptions about me in your last post(s) to be pretty personally insulting as well, so I guess we're even.
But hey, at least you got some Karma points out of it.
My karma has been maxed out for years, I could really care less. If people like what I write, then fine. If not, so be it. I can't and won't agree with everyone.
The cube runs a very distant third in console markets.
Not in Japan it doesn't. And here in the US, it's not in 3rd by a very large number, especially considering how the PS2 is selling more than the Xbox and Cube combined.
Nintendo has to adapt atleast somewhat to the current cultural zeitgeist if they want to avoid becomming irrelevent.
Do they? People have been predicting the fading of Nintendo for years now, ever since the 'Cube came out, and it still hasn't happened.
Sure, they're not #1 at the moment, but they're certainly not in serious trouble. I think a lot of video game enthusiasts ( or at least the younger ones ) just subscribe to the idea that if you're not #1, then you're dead.
Since you've gone into petty insults
:(
Eh? Look, if you didn't want comments on your opinion(s), then you shouldn't have posted anything. My apologies if I came across as insulting, but I stand by what I said.
I take it you're a big suscriber of "check me out! I'm a hipster nerd with a cool gadget" mentality.
Heh...I carry a cellphone which stays in silent mode and in my pocket 90% of the time. I barely use and don't carry my PDA. The only other portable gadget I own is an ancient Gameboy Pocket, that comes out sometimes if I get bored waiting somewhere. My personal computer is about 5 years old, just like the TV and pretty much all the electronic equipment I have, except for the Gamecube and PS2.
If that qualifies me as a "hipster nerd", then damn...Who knew it was so easy...I could have been hip years ago
A portable video game is a pathetic status symbol.
A game is a piss-poor status symbol, I agree. As soon as I find someone actually treating it as one, i'll let you know.
This is just my view of things, maybe I'm the one living a fantasy world.
Not like this will change your mind, but I think what you're doing is letting preconceived notions about something being too "kiddie" have too much influence.
If you can't get over that, and you're too embarassed/cool/sophisticated/etc. to play games in public...Then fine. Just don't act like everyone else feels the same.
Where exactly do you live, where this behavior wouldn't be considered offensive? Let me guess, some college town in the midwest, right?
Uh, no, try western New York, near Buffalo.
That said, i'd love to hear you try and expound on how using a handheld gaming system in public is offensive, exactly.
I suspect it has more to do with your personal insecurities than anything else - hell, you didn't even have enough guts to sign in before you posted.
I don't mean to hate all over some of the posters here but many self-respecting adults wouldn't be caught dead playing with either one of these, in public at least
The horror! Someone might see you playing a game with bright colors or some cutsey characters! If you're really so insecure that you won't play a good game because you're afraid you'll be laughed at....Get some help. Or new friends.
Would you? I hope not, unless you enjoy getting laughed at
Personally, i've never seen anyone ever get ridiculed for playing a game in public. God knows they're not any worse than the cell phones people tote around these days.
Maybe it'd be more fun if you're drunk, but the two-player mode didn't really seem all that entertaining to me - too limited.
:)
Better off just taking turns on some of the wierder 1-player levels
I bought. But am I missing something? The game seems like a remarkably simple fighter with very unresponsive controls.
Not sure what to make of that - the game has always seemed quite responsive to me. You have to learn how to time certain attacks, and learning how to consistently do Smash attacks can be annoying, but I don't consider it a flaw.
As far as being simple...I don't have any links available offhand, but there are videos posted in various places of people doing some pretty amazing stuff. Look for Home Run Contest videos in particular, and you'll see what I mean.
m I doing something wrong here? Does anbody else feel this way? I honestly feel like I'm playing a different game than everybody else.
If you and your friends are just playing it as a button-masher without attempting to use some strategy....Then yes, probably. Again, find some videos of good players to look at, and you'll see what I mean.
Nintendo claims they are only for kids so they make cartoonly looking games like Zelda WIndmaker which frankly suck.
Have you actually played Wind Waker for more than 5 minutes?
Read adults buy a PS2.
I own a PS2 AND a Gamcube (bought the Cube first, even), and i'm a 24 year-old college graduate. I know a horde of similar people who own both systems as well.
Then Nintendo's marketing department looks at statistics which then show only little kids buy their games so again they focus their consoles on making games like Pokeman.
Again, which Nintendo games have you played, exactly? Seeing as you couldn't even spell the two you mentioned correctly, i'm guessing the number isn't very high.
Meanwhile they are losing money without realizing it.
Care to back that up?
Sure, Sony's ahead of everyone, but last time I saw some figures, Nintendo was making a modest profit, and Microsoft's XBox division was still bleeding a decent amount of money.
With no clear route for the next Star Trek Movie either, the future of Trek is looking dark indeed.
Indeed...DS9 could have a movie done, due to the storyline not having been wrapped up tight, but even that would be a bit of a stretch.
If there even should be a new movie, that is. Leaving the theatre after seeing the horror that was ST:Nemesis, all I could think was "God, just let it die..."
Personally, I think the series hit its stride somewhere in the 3rd season....By the 6th and 7th, I can't say that it was incredible, but by no means was it as unwatchable as some of the Voyager episodes.
If it continues the way it has gone in this past season it should easily pass Voyager in quality and could potentially reach TNG standards
Let me get this straight - After 4 years (or however long it's been running) you're saying it's not even better than Voyager yet, and not up to the standards of TNG?
You're only reinforcing the reason i'm not watching it...I'll just stick to my slow acquisition of the DS9 box sets instead.