My translation: Jen stepped over to the couch, slowly rocking her hips with each step, accenting the graceful curves of her body. She quickly move in next to him, noting the warmth coming from her lover. His warm hands started at her thighs, and crept up until they were her under her red sweater. He moved his lips next to her face, giving a quick nibble or her ear, and losing himself in the scent of her soft blond hair. She moaned softly, and brought her face closer to her man's ear.
Debian is a disease. Sympyoms include "the debs", a type of siezures called "OSS", and a skin rash called "make clean && make menuconfig && make dep && make zImage && make modules && make modules_install &&/sbin/lilo".
You should embrace it. It bring enlightenment to many. Hopefully, it won't permeate your brain completely and bring about a psychosis know as "fanaticism". --------------------------
And you're going to tell me that the Beta (that many on/. have said wasn't bad in comparison to NT 4) that I was using earlier this year is vaporware? Please. Think before you spew childish comments. --------------------------
I don't think that the slashdot community defends anything non-MS, far from it... I believe that/. tries to be objective.
I would have to disagree with this line. Slashdot has a HUGE Linux bias. Mostly everything on this site has some tie to Linux...only occationally, do stories about things I'd rather hear about (BeOS, MacOS) peek out. Although Linux is good, I would hardly call the reporting on Slashdot objective. --------------------------
Yeah, but it's also full of non-dweeby fuckups and non-fucked-up dweebs, not to mention a lot of people who just give a damn about software. Sometimes I get the impression that we're not welcome in the clubhouse. Other times I don't get that impression at all, but I just feel like being an asshole; that would be today, for example:)
hehehehe...AC, whomever you are IRL, I hear you;-)
When I was in my early teens, I tried D&D. I sat down with the books for about a week, tried to decipher the rules so that I could play with my (then) friends. I gave it an honest shot. After playing a couple of games, I said I really didn't like it, and when they asked why, I gave a few reasons. They proceeded to *scream* at me, and their arguments basically came down to that because there was more of them, their tastes were correct and mine weren't. Have you ever seen this type of argument on Slashdot?;-)
I can say I have. When there was a discussion of Tolkien, I stated in one thread that I really didn't like LOTR, and I asked if anyone felt the same way. I remeber one person replied, and he stated that I was the only one that didn't like it, and then proceeded to insinuate that there was something wrong with me. It was like a flashback form my past.:-)
Am I perfect about remaining calm and objective? Heck no. When someone says something bad about DMB[1], I do get a bit miffed...I try not to let it get to me, but if they continue pestering me with childish arguments, I'm not always pleasent. But, I keep *trying* to remeber that its their tastes, and they are entitled to their own opinions. So, Joe Reader, remeber, just because we have similar intrests and read the same web site does not mean we're one and the same.
Now, as far as acting like an asshole goes, well I can't say I approve. But, a certain resentment does build up to the zealots on/.... their superior attitude and assumptions do get to be a bit grating, espically when you're looking for intelligent discussion and all you find is their crap. So, to borrow something from Chris Rock, when it comes to you acting like an asshole "I can't say I approve -- but I understand"[2];-)
[1] Dave Matthews' Band...*duh*:-) [2] I *think* this was the phrase... --------------------------
I see WinCE has a retarded inbred bastard child of Windows 9x(who itself isn't that great of a specimine)..I try to ignore it whenever possible;-)
But, it is a valid flavor of Windows...so yeah, there's 4.
As far as embeddle Linux goes, I could have swore I heard something about someone trying to get the Linux kernel running on a Palm III. Of course, it might be the voices in my head again;-) --------------------------
>Don't worry. You are. Wow...a tad touchy, aren't we?
In reply to the rest of your comment: Let me guess...you also believe that little green men abduct people on a regular basis. MS has played a big brother role...that's not in question. But you toss out the idea that MS distributes unseen patches...now, correct me if I'm wrong but something like that would leave finger prints...such as extra packets being transmitted, changed dll's that some AV program would pick up. You might suggest that the Windows API allows for such modifications. Well, considering the quality of the rest of Windows, I think evidence to that point would have already come about. When you have proof of such calls, then you can start throwing out your "theories."
When it comes to MS specific URL requests, I ran a couple request on altavista and yahoo using both NS and IE on a Mac at my place of emplyoment. Identical results (at least the first 20).
Let me play devil's advocate for a second: kfm:KDE::ie:Windows Without kfm's web intergration, KDE would be a significantly different desktop enviornment. Are you telling me that KDE can do web integration, and MS can't?
As far as the "Windows 95 Compatable" deal goes, its MS..its a big corportaion, and like most big corporations, its multifacited(sp?). One comittee judges 3rd party software, and another one actually writes the OS. Such problems are to be expected.
Wow, I sound like a Microserf here. Makes me feel kinda dirty.;-) --------------------------
Hrmm...I could have swore Win95 (original) == Win95A....of course, I might be wrong.
Well, VB requires IE for documentation (plus, if you ignore the fact that its an MS product, its not a half bad browser). I have no idea about Win95[a|b] and VB.
Do yourself a favor...if you have to run Windows, run NT...it sucks less than Win9x;-) --------------------------
(Apologies to Fred Langa...but I hope this makes a point to people)
Linux 2.2.10 was supposed to ix a pile of minor problems. Why, then, are so many people having trouble with it? If you have, or plan to get, Linux--read on!
I've been getting a ton of reader mail about Linux; lots of people are having trouble getting it installed and working correctly.
But before I go into specifics, let's take a second to define some terms because "Linux" can mean many different things--there are no less than 191 (in the 2.x.x series!) and they're not all the same product.
Its a matter of perspective, people...personally, I only see 3 Windows branches: Win 3.x, Win9x, WinNT. Linux, I see 3 branches: Linux 1.x.x, Linux 2.0.x, Linux 2.2.x. Although there may be 7 different version of Win98, there's been how many kernels? 191 since 2.0.x. (calculation done hastily early in the morning...I HATE mornings, but I digress).
And save me the stuff about "But 2.1.x/2.3.x is devel!!" I consider most MS products to be still in development;-)
This article is FUD, pure and simple. Yeah, MS isn't perfect, but I don't know of any OS out there that is. I know from expierence that Linux isn't(cases: People can print to my printer through samba, but *I* can't print to it...*growl*; I wish KDE would have an option to make double-clicking icons open/run them...I haven't had a chance to look at the source to try to fix it...; i have more, but I'll hold back for now).
The way to beating MS is by having a better, easier to use, more stable product - something 90% of the people out there feel comfortable with. There is no uber OS. But one with a low learning curve for newbies, and lots of customizability for the more advanced users, and you've got it. Right now, Windows is the closest to that goal. MS R&D is smart on their design, even if the implementation is poor.
Will Linux be the MS killer? Honestly, I don't think so. Based on the trends I've seen in the industry, an OS who's based on a CLI won't be it. Yes, Win9x is based on DOS, but I can configure a Windows machines with all the given dialogs. I'd like to see a person be able to fully change Linux's config without opening up an xterm *once*.
Ah well...just my $0.02 --------------------------
Re:Looks nice, but is not stable (yet)
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Is there any speed improvements(specifically, in kfm)? When I tried using KDE, it was *extremely* slow on my p200...when KDE runs slower then NT 4 on my machine, you know its got problems;-)
/* Alright slashdotters, I'm going to go against 99% of you and say "I'm with Microsoft on this one." Why? Just because discussion is good.:-) */
First, AOL scares me. Like previous posts have said, they cater to newbies. But they also cater to a worse off group. The uniformed. AOL puts thousands of people on the net a day who have no idea what nettiquite is. People have no idea what a computer is and how it works, and AOL lets them jump onto this mysterious void called "The Internet" and do stuff. Meanwhile, AOL indoctrinates them. People start thinking the Internet is a big happy fun loving place, where you click on the pretty buttons type in stuff, and *BOOM* you get a happy reply. AOL users are forced to use a half-baked software product because that's what AOL tells them is out there. Replace "AOL" with "Microsoft" in the previous sentance, and you see an argument stated many times on Slashdot.
Yes, that's right: AOL:Internet::MS:Operating Systems
"Ok," you say, "AOL is as bad as MS...so why do you say that you're going with MS??"
I'm looking at the track record of the two companies. AOL seems pretty consistant. Deliver junky service and mess up billing. Microsoft, on the other had, has proven to deliver sucky products. But they've heard the cries of the people, and they are (very slowly) responding. Their web browser keeps on improving. Win2k crashes less than NT which crashes less than 95/98. Microsoft products are improving, which means, they are starting to listen to what people are saying. They're starting to take steps in the right direction. Whenever I've heard of people complaining to AOL in the hopes of change, AOL has been less than hospitable.
Another item: MS is working with other people to establish standards for internet communication. They at least made the effort to include AOL's populace in their work...and AOL stuck their packet sniffing nose up in the air at them. MS at least made the effort to work with others.
So, by a nose, MS edges out AOL in my/* constructed */ opinion. So now, I ask you, the readers of Rob's creation, can you honestly say MS is the evil one this time?
/* My real opinion? I'm touched that you asked...
Both companies suck, and I can't believe they're both squabbling over small stuff.
I have some advice for each company tho:
MS: Kill marketing. Beat them with the Office97 paperclip if you need to. They're forcing you to realase software when its not done. Elminate them, and NT has a chance of becoming respected among the *nix community.
Sun/AOL/Netscape: Sun, I'm sorry you got stuck with those two. Drop them ASAP.
Considering the number of posts I've seen on slashdot about how well, Win2k/IE5 works, perhaps you should look at your configuration...it possible that there may be something you can fix...
As a side note, IE 4.0 does not support the animated JPEG files it sends. Not that anyone here ever installed IE willingly...
Hrmm...lets see...I run Linux to do all my work, but I use Windows and I need the web, its IE all the way. Quick and stable, unlike Netscape. I wish NS could produce such a product. Remeber, Slashdot is "News for Nerds." Not Linux/*BSD nerds, not Windows nerds, not Mac nerds...just nerds. Save your generalizations for #linux.
Sorry about the random harshish response, but lately the slashdot community has been very intolerant of non-Linux people. Its really quite a shame too...this forum has much possibility of people coming together to have real intellectual discussions, but instead we have trolls who think that their preferences are The One True Way(tm). --------------------------
This scares me...the average price of a home is ~$620 K??? At that kind of price, you might as well live at work.
Actually, why don't employers offer that as a temporary solution? (I know, I know...very few people out there want to live at work, but to at least have a roof over your head, feel safe, and have AC when it gets bad out there...)
Another question...how do home prices compare at various locations along the east coast (NYC, Atlanta, etc)? --------------------------
Just wondering...anyone know why the development of GNUStep hasn't been as fast as GNOME or KDE? I would have thought there would have been more developement considering the number of/.ers who use WindowMaker (remeber that poll from a few months ago?). --------------------------
Slashdot Mirror
There's an article? I thought the point of slashdot was a contest to see who can type "FIRST POST!!!" the fastest...
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My translation:
Jen stepped over to the couch, slowly rocking her hips with each step, accenting the graceful curves of her body. She quickly move in next to him, noting the warmth coming from her lover. His warm hands started at her thighs, and crept up until they were her under her red sweater. He moved his lips next to her face, giving a quick nibble or her ear, and losing himself in the scent of her soft blond hair. She moaned softly, and brought her face closer to her man's ear.
"Rob," she moaned, "show me your Commander Taco."
How's my translation?
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First, I'm not complaining. More big software for Linux is a Good Thing(tm).
;-)
But wasn't the survey kind of wierd? I mean, I would never have expected Delphi to have *that* big of a demand...perhaps Borland rigged the survey?
(Maybe I'm just completely wack here...I know my brain isn't 100% there....damn waking up early for classes
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#include "humor.h"
/sbin/lilo".
Debian is a disease. Sympyoms include "the debs", a type of siezures called "OSS", and a skin rash called "make clean && make menuconfig && make dep && make zImage && make modules && make modules_install &&
You should embrace it. It bring enlightenment to many. Hopefully, it won't permeate your brain completely and bring about a psychosis know as "fanaticism".
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And you're going to tell me that the Beta (that many on /. have said wasn't bad in comparison to NT 4) that I was using earlier this year is vaporware? Please. Think before you spew childish comments.
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I don't think that the slashdot community defends anything non-MS, far from it... I believe that /. tries to be objective.
I would have to disagree with this line. Slashdot has a HUGE Linux bias. Mostly everything on this site has some tie to Linux...only occationally, do stories about things I'd rather hear about (BeOS, MacOS) peek out. Although Linux is good, I would hardly call the reporting on Slashdot objective.
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Yeah, but it's also full of non-dweeby fuckups and non-fucked-up dweebs, not to mention a lot of people who just give a damn about software. Sometimes I get the impression that we're not welcome in the clubhouse. Other times I don't get that impression at all, but I just feel like being an asshole; that would be today, for example :)
;-)
;-)
:-)
/. ... their superior attitude and assumptions do get to be a bit grating, espically when you're looking for intelligent discussion and all you find is their crap. So, to borrow something from Chris Rock, when it comes to you acting like an asshole "I can't say I approve -- but I understand"[2] ;-)
:-)
hehehehe...AC, whomever you are IRL, I hear you
When I was in my early teens, I tried D&D. I sat down with the books for about a week, tried to decipher the rules so that I could play with my (then) friends. I gave it an honest shot. After playing a couple of games, I said I really didn't like it, and when they asked why, I gave a few reasons. They proceeded to *scream* at me, and their arguments basically came down to that because there was more of them, their tastes were correct and mine weren't. Have you ever seen this type of argument on Slashdot?
I can say I have. When there was a discussion of Tolkien, I stated in one thread that I really didn't like LOTR, and I asked if anyone felt the same way. I remeber one person replied, and he stated that I was the only one that didn't like it, and then proceeded to insinuate that there was something wrong with me. It was like a flashback form my past.
Am I perfect about remaining calm and objective? Heck no. When someone says something bad about DMB[1], I do get a bit miffed...I try not to let it get to me, but if they continue pestering me with childish arguments, I'm not always pleasent. But, I keep *trying* to remeber that its their tastes, and they are entitled to their own opinions. So, Joe Reader, remeber, just because we have similar intrests and read the same web site does not mean we're one and the same.
Now, as far as acting like an asshole goes, well I can't say I approve. But, a certain resentment does build up to the zealots on
[1] Dave Matthews' Band...*duh*
[2] I *think* this was the phrase...
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I see WinCE has a retarded inbred bastard child of Windows 9x(who itself isn't that great of a specimine)..I try to ignore it whenever possible ;-)
;-)
But, it is a valid flavor of Windows...so yeah, there's 4.
As far as embeddle Linux goes, I could have swore I heard something about someone trying to get the Linux kernel running on a Palm III. Of course, it might be the voices in my head again
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>Don't worry. You are.
;-)
Wow...a tad touchy, aren't we?
In reply to the rest of your comment:
Let me guess...you also believe that little green men abduct people on a regular basis.
MS has played a big brother role...that's not in question. But you toss out the idea that MS distributes unseen patches...now, correct me if I'm wrong but something like that would leave finger prints...such as extra packets being transmitted, changed dll's that some AV program would pick up. You might suggest that the Windows API allows for such modifications. Well, considering the quality of the rest of Windows, I think evidence to that point would have already come about. When you have proof of such calls, then you can start throwing out your "theories."
When it comes to MS specific URL requests, I ran a couple request on altavista and yahoo using both NS and IE on a Mac at my place of emplyoment. Identical results (at least the first 20).
Let me play devil's advocate for a second:
kfm:KDE::ie:Windows
Without kfm's web intergration, KDE would be a significantly different desktop enviornment. Are you telling me that KDE can do web integration, and MS can't?
As far as the "Windows 95 Compatable" deal goes, its MS..its a big corportaion, and like most big corporations, its multifacited(sp?). One comittee judges 3rd party software, and another one actually writes the OS. Such problems are to be expected.
Wow, I sound like a Microserf here. Makes me feel kinda dirty.
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Hrmm...I could have swore Win95 (original) == Win95A....of course, I might be wrong.
;-)
Well, VB requires IE for documentation (plus, if you ignore the fact that its an MS product, its not a half bad browser). I have no idea about Win95[a|b] and VB.
Do yourself a favor...if you have to run Windows, run NT...it sucks less than Win9x
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Hrmm. Typical Slashdot uninformed poster.
Remove yourself from your "M$ suX0rz" world and read the article.
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>But lately the comments section has turned into the bash Linux site.
:-P)
LATELY?? Its been going on for a *while*...hence, my sig.
>IF a program requires a certain patch level to Windows, then it should say that.
It *does*...I've never seen a Win9x dependent on a specific patch level...NT, yes, but all products say "requires Service Pack X or higher"
Just helping to break up the FUD. (And if you think I'm MS, read my post below
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Linux 2.2.10 was supposed to ix a pile of minor problems. Why, then, are so many people having trouble with it? If you have, or plan to get, Linux--read on!
I've been getting a ton of reader mail about Linux; lots of people are having trouble getting it installed and working correctly.
But before I go into specifics, let's take a second to define some terms because "Linux" can mean many different things--there are no less than 191 (in the 2.x.x series!) and they're not all the same product.
Its a matter of perspective, people...personally, I only see 3 Windows branches: Win 3.x, Win9x, WinNT. Linux, I see 3 branches: Linux 1.x.x, Linux 2.0.x, Linux 2.2.x. Although there may be 7 different version of Win98, there's been how many kernels? 191 since 2.0.x. (calculation done hastily early in the morning...I HATE mornings, but I digress).
And save me the stuff about "But 2.1.x/2.3.x is devel!!" I consider most MS products to be still in development ;-)
This article is FUD, pure and simple. Yeah, MS isn't perfect, but I don't know of any OS out there that is. I know from expierence that Linux isn't(cases: People can print to my printer through samba, but *I* can't print to it...*growl*; I wish KDE would have an option to make double-clicking icons open/run them...I haven't had a chance to look at the source to try to fix it...; i have more, but I'll hold back for now).
The way to beating MS is by having a better, easier to use, more stable product - something 90% of the people out there feel comfortable with. There is no uber OS. But one with a low learning curve for newbies, and lots of customizability for the more advanced users, and you've got it. Right now, Windows is the closest to that goal. MS R&D is smart on their design, even if the implementation is poor.
Will Linux be the MS killer? Honestly, I don't think so. Based on the trends I've seen in the industry, an OS who's based on a CLI won't be it. Yes, Win9x is based on DOS, but I can configure a Windows machines with all the given dialogs. I'd like to see a person be able to fully change Linux's config without opening up an xterm *once*.
Ah well...just my $0.02
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Is there any speed improvements(specifically, in kfm)? When I tried using KDE, it was *extremely* slow on my p200...when KDE runs slower then NT 4 on my machine, you know its got problems ;-)
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#DEFINE PLAYING_DEVILS_ADOVCATE"
:-)
/* constructed */ opinion. So now, I ask you, the readers of Rob's creation, can you honestly say MS is the evil one this time?
#include "and_no_not_the_movie_although_it_was_excellent.h
/*
Alright slashdotters, I'm going to go against 99% of you and say "I'm with Microsoft on this one." Why? Just because discussion is good.
*/
First, AOL scares me. Like previous posts have said, they cater to newbies. But they also cater to a worse off group. The uniformed. AOL puts thousands of people on the net a day who have no idea what nettiquite is. People have no idea what a computer is and how it works, and AOL lets them jump onto this mysterious void called "The Internet" and do stuff. Meanwhile, AOL indoctrinates them. People start thinking the Internet is a big happy fun loving place, where you click on the pretty buttons type in stuff, and *BOOM* you get a happy reply. AOL users are forced to use a half-baked software product because that's what AOL tells them is out there. Replace "AOL" with "Microsoft" in the previous sentance, and you see an argument stated many times on Slashdot.
Yes, that's right:
AOL:Internet::MS:Operating Systems
"Ok," you say, "AOL is as bad as MS...so why do you say that you're going with MS??"
I'm looking at the track record of the two companies. AOL seems pretty consistant. Deliver junky service and mess up billing. Microsoft, on the other had, has proven to deliver sucky products. But they've heard the cries of the people, and they are (very slowly) responding. Their web browser keeps on improving. Win2k crashes less than NT which crashes less than 95/98. Microsoft products are improving, which means, they are starting to listen to what people are saying. They're starting to take steps in the right direction. Whenever I've heard of people complaining to AOL in the hopes of change, AOL has been less than hospitable.
Another item: MS is working with other people to establish standards for internet communication. They at least made the effort to include AOL's populace in their work...and AOL stuck their packet sniffing nose up in the air at them. MS at least made the effort to work with others.
So, by a nose, MS edges out AOL in my
/* My real opinion? I'm touched that you asked...
Both companies suck, and I can't believe they're both squabbling over small stuff.
I have some advice for each company tho:
MS: Kill marketing. Beat them with the Office97 paperclip if you need to. They're forcing you to realase software when its not done. Elminate them, and NT has a chance of becoming respected among the *nix community.
Sun/AOL/Netscape: Sun, I'm sorry you got stuck with those two. Drop them ASAP.
*/
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Considering the number of posts I've seen on slashdot about how well, Win2k/IE5 works, perhaps you should look at your configuration...it possible that there may be something you can fix...
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Tempting, but the Palm V has greater sex appeal :->
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As a side note, IE 4.0 does not support the animated JPEG files it sends. Not that anyone here ever installed IE willingly...
Hrmm...lets see...I run Linux to do all my work, but I use Windows and I need the web, its IE all the way. Quick and stable, unlike Netscape. I wish NS could produce such a product. Remeber, Slashdot is "News for Nerds." Not Linux/*BSD nerds, not Windows nerds, not Mac nerds...just nerds. Save your generalizations for #linux.
Sorry about the random harshish response, but lately the slashdot community has been very intolerant of non-Linux people. Its really quite a shame too...this forum has much possibility of people coming together to have real intellectual discussions, but instead we have trolls who think that their preferences are The One True Way(tm).
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Thought, this became less frequent in the year leading up to the AOL buyout
Pardon my ignorance, but why's that?
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This scares me...the average price of a home is ~$620 K??? At that kind of price, you might as well live at work.
Actually, why don't employers offer that as a temporary solution? (I know, I know...very few people out there want to live at work, but to at least have a roof over your head, feel safe, and have AC when it gets bad out there...)
Another question...how do home prices compare at various locations along the east coast (NYC, Atlanta, etc)?
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Just two quick questions for people:
:-)
a) What did you like about the Lord of the Rings series?
b) Am I the only one who didn't like Lord Of The Rings?
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Just wondering...anyone know why the development of GNUStep hasn't been as fast as GNOME or KDE? I would have thought there would have been more developement considering the number of /.ers who use WindowMaker (remeber that poll from a few months ago?).
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Go tell it to the All-Mighty Taco....not here
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some of us *still* haven't seen the film yet...
:-)
Lets do a once and for all vote...do I go see it now and pay ~$7, or do I wait til it comes to campus and only pay $1?
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that's be cool, especially for college..."But, professor, Tux DID eat my homework!!!!" :-)
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