I went the 360 route also, I did not want to take the chance that it would not play well on my PC, it really looks great and plays very well on the 360! And I have liked the game allot, put in about 3 hours so far also.
When you mention the relation between 1934 and 1998 I must think you are looking at the US graph, and not the graph of the global temperature. And I do not understand why pulling core samples from different places is a bad thing, it is the only way I can think of, to study the past in that amount of detail, Scientist can explain how they gather the information from the core samples and it sounds very logical to me, they can tell generaly how hot or cold that year was from the cycles of the seasons etc for those samples. If you would rather not belive it and just wait and see what happens that would be up to you, but when data like that tends to lead many groups of scientists to the fact that people have been cauing the temperature of our plant to raise and can show it to use on graphs so that anyone can understand it, and somehow people still want to say we dont have enough data, then maybe some just dont want to listen. Trying to predict what will happen when the temperature raises might be hard to do, but we should all atleast agree that maybe it is worth looking in to once you look at the data.
If you only look at money through console sales that might be true, but what about money from GAMES and assessories,merchandise also online sales, they have movies and all sorts of online content to download for money. If you really think that Microsoft will pull out of a market that they are doing well in, as far as out selling sony, no matter if they are losing 5 billion, when you look at what they have to risk my losing this battle, they know they really need to control the game market somehow, it is going to make more money than music here soon, and I am sure not long after more than movies! why would they give up a shot at owning a peice of that market for a few billion? Not to mention microsoft has been creating middle ware from cable/telco compaines for IPTV and all that and the console in the users living room is a dream for them. They want to own you living room, they want to own the content you by through there middleware be it the XBOX or the TVBOX you get through cable. Microsoft knows what Google knows that soon the company that owns the sale of information and entertainment in to your home will be in a very good place. Thinking that MS will quite the console market is thinking they do not look 10 steps down the road, and I would agree that sometimes they do not, but in this market they have shown that they are very serious about the XBOX, and I am sure they know why, there will soon be so much money in this market, tehy games and the internet on the TV sales of movies etc, tehy will not just give up that fast. After all 5 billon to them is like 5 dollars to you/me anyway.
Call me a fan boy if you like, but I am just trying to be real about this, and not underestimate Microsoft.
What do you mean "No Shit"? you know I get sick of the responses on/. that always come back with a no shit or some remark, same as the first poster, that wants to make us assume you know as much as the doctor in this radio session. You do not, infact even though, yes fructose is bas for us, the reason why it is bad for us is very interesting and worthy of giving this thing a good listen, and not a simple as "it is pure simple sugars" Also the "The only fructose that IS good for humans is the fruit kind" sounds like you did not listen, you need to listen to he program and think about what he is saying. Sure its easy to just say its bad for me, ill try not to eat it, but its still a very interesting article about why this fructose is bad for us, what happens when its ingested in the quanity we intake in the US, and why companies are putting it in products that dont even need sugars, because it makes us eat more with out the brain knowing we ate so much sugar.
But the real issue here is that you people listen to the first 2 min, think I know as much as this guy, and post some total BS. Why must you criticize this man with a topic like "And in other news........." for just trying to share and put in to terms that most us can understand why fructose acts like this in our body? he obviously understands a great deal about his work in this area, you can tell if you listen to the whole damn thing. Yes you may also have to actually listen, not assume you know it all going in.
"Rush was viewed as largely appealing to, well, dorks"
Man, not where I live, I always hung out with people that were in bands, and I dont know of a single person that plays rock music that does not love RUSH. Most tof the serious RUSH fans I know, are definitly not dorks, and had no problems getting laid etc... but might have a hard time holding a regular job now adays. I really dont know where you got your idea that RUSH fans were dorks though, somehow I get a mental picture of a guy listening to Winger in high school, and when a guy in a RUSH shirt walks by he thinks to himself "DORKS! Gezzz"
I really like entorage, and I loved Rome, is that not coming back either? I am hoping that new series Fight of the Concords will be good, It might take some getting used to, there standup music stuff is funny as hell. I am a little pissed about the Deadwood thing. But HBO can cast well, and that is why there series are so good, the casts are great. I need to go back and watch all of the wire cause I missed those. Ill keep my HBO, as well as my Showtime (Dexter is awsome) and Cinemax cause, well you know, and all so my TMC cause its all a package I guess:)
If all your connection go through G, and a backhoe cuts that fiber etc... then your down, I don't care how you code anything, the original poster seems right to me, you have to manage physical links no matter what. Every area of most properly engineered networks are multi homed via at least 2 physical paths. In our CO's each different physical path comes in to a separate fiber patch panel, leaves out different paths out of the CO, and should be riding on different sides of the street etc, usually in different directions. Sometimes things are not this optimal, but really should be, this is the most important kind of redundancy. On MPLS networks, most every area has tunnels and backups tunnels to every other area of the network, backup tunnels are already provisioned so that fail over happens in sub second times, you wont notice a link going down. Most higher end routers, don't really do a route lookup anymore either, they mostly fast-switch packets based on preloaded hardware tables, usually on each interface card, so I don't know how packets are going to get there any faster either. Seems people get to focused on virtual links etc, when it comes down to it 1 physical path = bad, 2 or more = good, as long as you have set things up correctly, and physical paths do not share the same equipment along the way. There has been a lot of bad press on how non redundant the Internet is, this is usually bad engineering, coupled with the need for some organization to save money, I don't see it as a technical issue anymore. Maybe I am wrong.
If they can do "powered off" downloads, then does that mean someone could access your XBOX camera even when the 360 is supposed to be off? I want to be able to spy on people in thier homes!
Um, the reason we dont simply Vote Them Out! is because that would mean that you would be voting someone in that would stop whatever actions you feel are not right. Right now those people simply dont exist. What makes you think that you will always be given a choice, sure you can pick A B or C but what if all the choices are just the same choice? In a system like that, revolution might be the only way, and even then you have to wait till things are so bad, people just wont take it any more, things have to reach a tipping point. The government knows this, so they keep people just happy enough with the little things people are afraid to lose, house, cars etc... that you dont mind giving up the little things till its to late. Dont make it sound so simple as just vote them out! it really not that easy. This is the exact reason why so many people get so fustrated with out government today. There is not a politician that represents many of the things, many of us feel strongly about, and even if there was, you either would not get the financial backing you would need from corporations, or you would be brushed aside by media ready to cover Anna Nichole Smith, or they would just make you look like you on the side of terorists or some such nonsense. Either way right now it seems like you either play ball, or you dont play, giving us the same smucks every year and nothing really changes unless they want it to. this is how it is setup to work. If that makes you think you are changing things and are in control then its working.
Buddy of mine just bought a 56" Samsung LED DLP that supports 1080p He has been telling me now for weeks he wishs XBOX360 was going to support 1080p, and this will make him happy. My 56" Toshiba only supports 1080i, but I am sure my next TV will support 1080p, so this is a good thing.
I agree, good sound you need big speakers, I used to work some with Live audio and sound recording when I was younger etc... And have had this explained to me over and over, to get some low fequencies you have to have a big speaker cone to puch that much air. A guy I used to know well owns this live setup. http://www.ratsound.com/ And designed most the speaker cabnets in that syetms setup, you have to have hudge speaker cones and lots of them to even get any low end outside like this, even then to have good low end the construction of the area around you is important.
In my house I used to have a nice set of floor standing Klipsch speakers, wiht 2 12" woofers in the front and a bass bin behind the couch.
I love VLC and use it alot at work for multicast video network tests. But I own a sling box, mostly cause it allows me to control my cable box and watch what is on any channel at any time, and get to the DVR functions of my cable box also, so I can watch anything on DVR also. (my digital cable box is a DVR also)
I don't know where you get "Free-loading" from, maybe you are just not informed. A Slingbox captures what my cable box is watching at home, from my TV outputs of my cable box. My digital cable box is encrypted to the box and the signal coming out of it is what I pay for. I stream that signal across the Internet to work or vacation etc... and watch what that box has on it. If the Slingbox changes the channel, then the home TV on the box changes the channel. I have friends that have a sling box that are thinking of paying the extra 5 dollars a month for another box just to put it in a closet and hook their Slingbox to it, so they don't disturb what their wives are watching at home.
I don't see how this is considered "Free-loading" since I do pay for that box and the right to watch certain channels on that box. Maybe you can enlighten me, since I am such a "fucking idiot"
You should get more bandwidth is it is available I belive, up to 100mb since the ONT at the customer location probally has a 100mb ethernet port on it. 80Mb is if all 32 customers where downloading at once full bandwidth, wich mont happen often. Dont think this kind of service wont be providing Video though, and the bandwidth there adds up fast if you have multiple TVs on.
Thank God someone mentioned this! GPON is not 2.5GB per house. I then to have to listen to hordes of people talking about why France is so far ahead with 2.5GB per home! Gezz Get the facts straight first. Even at 80Mb this is for others services also, like TV and Phone service. In the end you get what portion of that 80Mb they want to allow you, on the plan you pay for etc...
Anyone else think their website sucks? I mean it looks nice, and I like the way the movie info pops up, but I can't ever see new releases that just came out, in the new release area at all. I cant figure out anyway to actually show the new releases by relase date. Like I know a movie that just came out and see it on TV as just being released on DVD but when I go to new releases it dont show, but if I search for it , it is there. For instance "The Libertine" just came out and I can't find it listed under new releases at all. But if I search its there.
And the list it gives you when you first login "Other Movies You Might Enjoy" ic consistantly fucked up. It lists the worst movies as 4+ stars all the time.
I somtimes go to blockbuster.com looks and see what movies are just out, then go search them on netflix.
FOr a 1billion dollar company to have a site that offers so little choice in search (you get a text box and click search) you would think you could search by release date etc!
You might think I have "missed the whole point of the debate" But I am not so sure about that... This whole thing was brought up on the premise about some ISPs wanting to charge people like google and yahoo more money for better access through their network. But that is simple BS, I have never herd of such a thing.
I think it happened more like they want to be Service Providers, they want to offer things like Voice and Mostly Video over the Internet.
For Instance... The first part of this article says this "THE US SENATE Commerce Committee last week approved reforms in communications legislation that will make it easier for Internet providers to offer IP-based television."
Then they say this... "We are worried that some of the broadband service providers will interfere with that principle and will attempt to use their control over broadband transport facilities to interfere with services of competitors."
They see the Telo Company's as competitors, competitors for delivering a service of IPTV. Others share the same attitude but because of VoIP services.
If you wanted to cause a stink and make it hard for Telco companies to mark and prioritize packets, and then explain that problem to a politician that does not understand anything. Would you use IPTV as a example, where people might actually understand why you might want to prioritize content over other content to provide a certain quality of service that people are used to. Or would you scream they COULD charge us for marking our webpage packets over their network and that is unfair!
This is not a issue, a Telco wants you to get to Google fast as when you are on another service, or you might change providers. Google and others right now pay money for bigger Internet connections and also to cache content local to people, on providers networks now. We have a service like that here, called Akamai that caches locally the content of allot of web service providers such as Google. We do that for free it saves us bandwidth and also because it makes that pages faster for our customers.
I think the line is a blurry one, and people want to confuse this issue. Maybe I am wrong, fine, we will see.
"in the future" ? ISPs been able to do this for years, and we have for things like peer to peer before, and gave up. Its not worth it, we want our bandwidth to look good to customers, otherwise they might just go to Time Warner and leave. We keep our bandwidth to the Internet way above the bandwidth that is currently needed.
If Net Neutrality is a good idea, then it should be a good idea no mater the size of the company, you have problems with the size of the Company then lets fix that problem, no this one that doesn't exist. The Telco I work for is a medium sized ILEC and has about 20,000 dsl subscribers. if I wanted to start a new company why should I be bound buy a bad idea just cause you think the size of the company is a issue. The cable companies have never had to worry about this even though they are in the same business. The issue should be based purely on the technical side of this issue, not political issues. Fix the political issues, and am sure many bad things have happened and stupid things done. but dont ruin IP to the home for services that are provided via a Service Provider.
Its not any different. When a line that is divided like DSL is in use part of that line frequency wise is dedicated to voice and the other is data, When the data gets full, and you are trying to push that data connection the packets get dropped just like they would if its QoS.
It's allot more complicated than that. To Telcos, the bandwidth between you and them on their LAN is cheaper and really not a connection to the Internet, the Internet doesn't play a role is that part of the connection to them. That is local bandwidth and is much less costly. So with new fiber connections coming they want to give you lets say a 50mb connection to their LAN, but about 10mb of that is for the Internet, the other 40mb is for Video/Voip to things on their local LAN also, like video headend's or voice softswitchs. This is free bandwidth to the and is the reason for running links that can provide 50mb - 100mb to your home. They have to pay for the Internet bandwidth to upstream providers, that bandwidth (Internet bandwidth) is not free. Now on a IP network there is no "separate frequencies" really (like on a cable QAM link), unless you talking about WDM or something like that, but they want one physical connection to the home, to them that what running IP is about. They can get rid of different transport mediums and run everything over one medium IP. So instead of frequencies you run QoS, to make sure that people get the service they are paying for. Now people like Google think maybe they would like to get in to the content providing business and not have to pay for the transport, its all free Internet traffic and the Telcos should not have the right to mark traffic different than their traffic to you. Even though this traffic is really traffic that is on thier local lan, not really the Internet. Well if you want service that is rock solid like you are used to, threw a IP network you have to run QoS, anyone that has setup a successful VoIP network on a business LAN should know that. VoIP packets have to be treated differently than your Internet packets, Internet packets can stand the latencies better than VoIP, and the queues on the routers and switches have to know what packets to output first so packet drop does not occur in times of starvation. IPTV if similar but not as bad since you can buffer TV and people wont notice like with VoIP. This is were IP is headed, its not just for a Internet connection, its a service connection that you will get many services through, and part of that is voice, some is video, some is maybe new services like your home security system, that only you prioritize, but then you have Internet traffic. Best effort but that still should be better than you had before. Qos does not do anything unless a queue is starved, so if packets are exiting a queue as fast as they enter, no need for QoS. On our telco LAN we have a 10GIG backbone that would be really hard to starve any of those links currently, today. Once we run IPTV we may start to touch half the bandwidth of those links. 40 GIG ethernet interfaces are close, I dont think you will notice any problems, but your Voip and Video bandwidth will be guaranteed no matter the amount of traffic, (might be another virus that hits etc) that the Internet connection might notice but your TV and Voice runs just fine. Some people might have problems with the telcos, for whatever reasons in the past, I really don't know much about money given by the government to them for a fiber network that was supposed to be built for the people. But if Net Neutrality is a good idea, then it should be able to stand up with out this being in the debate I think.
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I went the 360 route also, I did not want to take the chance that it would not play well on my PC, it really looks great and plays very well on the 360!
And I have liked the game allot, put in about 3 hours so far also.
Idiots.... Fist rule of USENET is DO NOT TALK ABOUT USENET!
A car whould be at your house momentarily
When you mention the relation between 1934 and 1998 I must think you are looking at the US graph, and not the graph of the global temperature.
And I do not understand why pulling core samples from different places is a bad thing, it is the only way I can think of, to study the past in that amount of detail, Scientist can explain how they gather the information from the core samples and it sounds very logical to me, they can tell generaly how hot or cold that year was from the cycles of the seasons etc for those samples.
If you would rather not belive it and just wait and see what happens that would be up to you, but when data like that tends to lead many groups of scientists to the fact that people have been cauing the temperature of our plant to raise and can show it to use on graphs so that anyone can understand it, and somehow people still want to say we dont have enough data, then maybe some just dont want to listen.
Trying to predict what will happen when the temperature raises might be hard to do, but we should all atleast agree that maybe it is worth looking in to once you look at the data.
If you only look at money through console sales that might be true, but what about money from GAMES and assessories,merchandise also online sales, they have movies and all sorts of online content to download for money.
If you really think that Microsoft will pull out of a market that they are doing well in, as far as out selling sony, no matter if they are losing 5 billion, when you look at what they have to risk my losing this battle, they know they really need to control the game market somehow, it is going to make more money than music here soon, and I am sure not long after more than movies! why would they give up a shot at owning a peice of that market for a few billion?
Not to mention microsoft has been creating middle ware from cable/telco compaines for IPTV and all that and the console in the users living room is a dream for them.
They want to own you living room, they want to own the content you by through there middleware be it the XBOX or the TVBOX you get through cable.
Microsoft knows what Google knows that soon the company that owns the sale of information and entertainment in to your home will be in a very good place.
Thinking that MS will quite the console market is thinking they do not look 10 steps down the road, and I would agree that sometimes they do not, but in this market they have shown that they are very serious about the XBOX, and I am sure they know why, there will soon be so much money in this market, tehy games and the internet on the TV sales of movies etc, tehy will not just give up that fast.
After all 5 billon to them is like 5 dollars to you/me anyway.
Call me a fan boy if you like, but I am just trying to be real about this, and not underestimate Microsoft.
What do you mean "No Shit"? you know I get sick of the responses on /. that always come back with a no shit or some remark, same as the first poster, that wants to make us assume you know as much as the doctor in this radio session.
You do not, infact even though, yes fructose is bas for us, the reason why it is bad for us is very interesting and worthy of giving this thing a good listen, and not a simple as "it is pure simple sugars"
Also the "The only fructose that IS good for humans is the fruit kind" sounds like you did not listen, you need to listen to he program and think about what he is saying.
Sure its easy to just say its bad for me, ill try not to eat it, but its still a very interesting article about why this fructose is bad for us, what happens when its ingested in the quanity we intake in the US, and why companies are putting it in products that dont even need sugars, because it makes us eat more with out the brain knowing we ate so much sugar.
But the real issue here is that you people listen to the first 2 min, think I know as much as this guy, and post some total BS.
Why must you criticize this man with a topic like "And in other news........." for just trying to share and put in to terms that most us can understand why fructose acts like this in our body? he obviously understands a great deal about his work in this area, you can tell if you listen to the whole damn thing.
Yes you may also have to actually listen, not assume you know it all going in.
GTA4 or Infamous, hmmm let me see, yea I'll take GTA4, you can't be serious!
"Rush was viewed as largely appealing to, well, dorks"
Man, not where I live, I always hung out with people that were in bands, and I dont know of a single person that plays rock music that does not love RUSH.
Most tof the serious RUSH fans I know, are definitly not dorks, and had no problems getting laid etc... but might have a hard time holding a regular job now adays.
I really dont know where you got your idea that RUSH fans were dorks though, somehow I get a mental picture of a guy listening to Winger in high school, and when a guy in a RUSH shirt walks by he thinks to himself "DORKS! Gezzz"
Personaly I did not think KZ2 was on par with GoW, but that might just be me, GOW is hard to beat.
I really like entorage, and I loved Rome, is that not coming back either? :)
I am hoping that new series Fight of the Concords will be good, It might take some getting used to, there standup music stuff is funny as hell.
I am a little pissed about the Deadwood thing.
But HBO can cast well, and that is why there series are so good, the casts are great.
I need to go back and watch all of the wire cause I missed those.
Ill keep my HBO, as well as my Showtime (Dexter is awsome) and Cinemax cause, well you know, and all so my TMC cause its all a package I guess
If all your connection go through G, and a backhoe cuts that fiber etc... then your down, I don't care how you code anything, the original poster seems right to me, you have to manage physical links no matter what.
Every area of most properly engineered networks are multi homed via at least 2 physical paths.
In our CO's each different physical path comes in to a separate fiber patch panel, leaves out different paths out of the CO, and should be riding on different sides of the street etc, usually in different directions.
Sometimes things are not this optimal, but really should be, this is the most important kind of redundancy.
On MPLS networks, most every area has tunnels and backups tunnels to every other area of the network, backup tunnels are already provisioned so that fail over happens in sub second times, you wont notice a link going down.
Most higher end routers, don't really do a route lookup anymore either, they mostly fast-switch packets based on preloaded hardware tables, usually on each interface card, so I don't know how packets are going to get there any faster either.
Seems people get to focused on virtual links etc, when it comes down to it 1 physical path = bad, 2 or more = good, as long as you have set things up correctly, and physical paths do not share the same equipment along the way.
There has been a lot of bad press on how non redundant the Internet is, this is usually bad engineering, coupled with the need for some organization to save money, I don't see it as a technical issue anymore.
Maybe I am wrong.
If they can do "powered off" downloads, then does that mean someone could access your XBOX camera even when the 360 is supposed to be off?
I want to be able to spy on people in thier homes!
Um, the reason we dont simply Vote Them Out! is because that would mean that you would be voting someone in that would stop whatever actions you feel are not right.
Right now those people simply dont exist.
What makes you think that you will always be given a choice, sure you can pick A B or C but what if all the choices are just the same choice?
In a system like that, revolution might be the only way, and even then you have to wait till things are so bad, people just wont take it any more, things have to reach a tipping point.
The government knows this, so they keep people just happy enough with the little things people are afraid to lose, house, cars etc... that you dont mind giving up the little things till its to late.
Dont make it sound so simple as just vote them out! it really not that easy.
This is the exact reason why so many people get so fustrated with out government today.
There is not a politician that represents many of the things, many of us feel strongly about, and even if there was, you either would not get the financial backing you would need from corporations, or you would be brushed aside by media ready to cover Anna Nichole Smith, or they would just make you look like you on the side of terorists or some such nonsense.
Either way right now it seems like you either play ball, or you dont play, giving us the same smucks every year and nothing really changes unless they want it to. this is how it is setup to work. If that makes you think you are changing things and are in control then its working.
Buddy of mine just bought a 56" Samsung LED DLP that supports 1080p
He has been telling me now for weeks he wishs XBOX360 was going to support 1080p, and this will make him happy.
My 56" Toshiba only supports 1080i, but I am sure my next TV will support 1080p, so this is a good thing.
I agree, good sound you need big speakers, I used to work some with Live audio and sound recording when I was younger etc...
s tem/
And have had this explained to me over and over, to get some low fequencies you have to have a big speaker cone to puch that much air.
A guy I used to know well owns this live setup.
http://www.ratsound.com/
And designed most the speaker cabnets in that syetms setup, you have to have hudge speaker cones and lots of them to even get any low end outside like this, even then to have good low end the construction of the area around you is important.
In my house I used to have a nice set of floor standing Klipsch speakers, wiht 2 12" woofers in the front and a bass bin behind the couch.
A buddy gave me his speakers that I had always loved to death though!
And know have these in my living room!
http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/products/srtsy
I love these they sound very impressive and would put them agaist any BOSE speakers any day!
I love VLC and use it alot at work for multicast video network tests.
But I own a sling box, mostly cause it allows me to control my cable box and watch what is on any channel at any time, and get to the DVR functions of my cable box also, so I can watch anything on DVR also.
(my digital cable box is a DVR also)
Ditto that, only one person at a time can use a Slingbox!
I don't know where you get "Free-loading" from, maybe you are just not informed.
A Slingbox captures what my cable box is watching at home, from my TV outputs of my cable box.
My digital cable box is encrypted to the box and the signal coming out of it is what I pay for.
I stream that signal across the Internet to work or vacation etc... and watch what that box has on it. If the Slingbox changes the channel, then the home TV on the box changes the channel.
I have friends that have a sling box that are thinking of paying the extra 5 dollars a month for another box just to put it in a closet and hook their Slingbox to it, so they don't disturb what their wives are watching at home.
I don't see how this is considered "Free-loading" since I do pay for that box and the right to watch certain channels on that box.
Maybe you can enlighten me, since I am such a "fucking idiot"
You should get more bandwidth is it is available I belive, up to 100mb since the ONT at the customer location probally has a 100mb ethernet port on it.
80Mb is if all 32 customers where downloading at once full bandwidth, wich mont happen often.
Dont think this kind of service wont be providing Video though, and the bandwidth there adds up fast if you have multiple TVs on.
Thank God someone mentioned this!
GPON is not 2.5GB per house.
I then to have to listen to hordes of people talking about why France is so far ahead with 2.5GB per home! Gezz Get the facts straight first.
Even at 80Mb this is for others services also, like TV and Phone service.
In the end you get what portion of that 80Mb they want to allow you, on the plan you pay for etc...
Anyone else think their website sucks?
I mean it looks nice, and I like the way the movie info pops up, but I can't ever see new releases that just came out, in the new release area at all.
I cant figure out anyway to actually show the new releases by relase date.
Like I know a movie that just came out and see it on TV as just being released on DVD but when I go to new releases it dont show, but if I search for it , it is there.
For instance "The Libertine" just came out and I can't find it listed under new releases at all.
But if I search its there.
And the list it gives you when you first login "Other Movies You Might Enjoy" ic consistantly fucked up.
It lists the worst movies as 4+ stars all the time.
I somtimes go to blockbuster.com looks and see what movies are just out, then go search them on netflix.
FOr a 1billion dollar company to have a site that offers so little choice in search (you get a text box and click search) you would think you could search by release date etc!
WTF?
You might think I have "missed the whole point of the debate"
But I am not so sure about that...
This whole thing was brought up on the premise about some ISPs wanting to charge people like google and yahoo more money for better access through their network.
But that is simple BS, I have never herd of such a thing.
I think it happened more like they want to be Service Providers, they want to offer things like Voice and Mostly Video over the Internet.
For Instance...
The first part of this article says this
"THE US SENATE Commerce Committee last week approved reforms in communications legislation that will make it easier for Internet providers to offer IP-based television."
Then they say this...
"We are worried that some of the broadband service providers will interfere with that principle and will attempt to use their control over broadband transport facilities to interfere with services of competitors."
They see the Telo Company's as competitors, competitors for delivering a service of IPTV.
Others share the same attitude but because of VoIP services.
If you wanted to cause a stink and make it hard for Telco companies to mark and prioritize packets, and then explain that problem to a politician that does not understand anything.
Would you use IPTV as a example, where people might actually understand why you might want to prioritize content over other content to provide a certain quality of service that people are used to. Or would you scream they COULD charge us for marking our webpage packets over their network and that is unfair!
This is not a issue, a Telco wants you to get to Google fast as when you are on another service, or you might change providers. Google and others right now pay money for bigger Internet connections and also to cache content local to people, on providers networks now.
We have a service like that here, called Akamai that caches locally the content of allot of web service providers such as Google. We do that for free it saves us bandwidth and also because it makes that pages faster for our customers.
I think the line is a blurry one, and people want to confuse this issue.
Maybe I am wrong, fine, we will see.
"in the future" ?
ISPs been able to do this for years, and we have for things like peer to peer before, and gave up.
Its not worth it, we want our bandwidth to look good to customers, otherwise they might just go to Time Warner and leave.
We keep our bandwidth to the Internet way above the bandwidth that is currently needed.
If Net Neutrality is a good idea, then it should be a good idea no mater the size of the company, you have problems with the size of the Company then lets fix that problem, no this one that doesn't exist.
The Telco I work for is a medium sized ILEC and has about 20,000 dsl subscribers.
if I wanted to start a new company why should I be bound buy a bad idea just cause you think the size of the company is a issue.
The cable companies have never had to worry about this even though they are in the same business.
The issue should be based purely on the technical side of this issue, not political issues.
Fix the political issues, and am sure many bad things have happened and stupid things done. but dont ruin IP to the home for services that are provided via a Service Provider.
Its not any different.
When a line that is divided like DSL is in use part of that line frequency wise is dedicated to voice and the other is data, When the data gets full, and you are trying to push that data connection the packets get dropped just like they would if its QoS.
It's allot more complicated than that.
To Telcos, the bandwidth between you and them on their LAN is cheaper and really not a connection to the Internet, the Internet doesn't play a role is that part of the connection to them. That is local bandwidth and is much less costly.
So with new fiber connections coming they want to give you lets say a 50mb connection to their LAN, but about 10mb of that is for the Internet, the other 40mb is for Video/Voip to things on their local LAN also, like video headend's or voice softswitchs.
This is free bandwidth to the and is the reason for running links that can provide 50mb - 100mb to your home.
They have to pay for the Internet bandwidth to upstream providers, that bandwidth (Internet bandwidth) is not free.
Now on a IP network there is no "separate frequencies" really (like on a cable QAM link), unless you talking about WDM or something like that, but they want one physical connection to the home, to them that what running IP is about. They can get rid of different transport mediums and run everything over one medium IP.
So instead of frequencies you run QoS, to make sure that people get the service they are paying for.
Now people like Google think maybe they would like to get in to the content providing business and not have to pay for the transport, its all free Internet traffic and the Telcos should not have the right to mark traffic different than their traffic to you. Even though this traffic is really traffic that is on thier local lan, not really the Internet.
Well if you want service that is rock solid like you are used to, threw a IP network you have to run QoS, anyone that has setup a successful VoIP network on a business LAN should know that.
VoIP packets have to be treated differently than your Internet packets, Internet packets can stand the latencies better than VoIP, and the queues on the routers and switches have to know what packets to output first so packet drop does not occur in times of starvation.
IPTV if similar but not as bad since you can buffer TV and people wont notice like with VoIP.
This is were IP is headed, its not just for a Internet connection, its a service connection that you will get many services through, and part of that is voice, some is video, some is maybe new services like your home security system, that only you prioritize, but then you have Internet traffic. Best effort but that still should be better than you had before.
Qos does not do anything unless a queue is starved, so if packets are exiting a queue as fast as they enter, no need for QoS.
On our telco LAN we have a 10GIG backbone that would be really hard to starve any of those links currently, today.
Once we run IPTV we may start to touch half the bandwidth of those links.
40 GIG ethernet interfaces are close, I dont think you will notice any problems, but your Voip and Video bandwidth will be guaranteed no matter the amount of traffic, (might be another virus that hits etc) that the Internet connection might notice but your TV and Voice runs just fine.
Some people might have problems with the telcos, for whatever reasons in the past, I really don't know much about money given by the government to them for a fiber network that was supposed to be built for the people. But if Net Neutrality is a good idea, then it should be able to stand up with out this being in the debate I think.