Unless your farmer has >$5M in assets, the estate tax does not apply to him. And the reason behind the estate tax is to avoid the increasing accumulation of wealth in the hands of a few. Whether or not the government is incompetent at handling the cash is besides the point.
$50k for something that performs at $150k? And that's for a LB that saturates a 10GB line with full SSL acceleration. That's not trivial to do, and most sites wouldn't even come close to using that. In that case, I'd recommend Intel/AMD gear.
I've used the Zeus software. Never got trained on it, and had it up and running in less that 2 hours. Its really well designed.
Dexter Holland, lead singer of the the band "The Offspring" has a Bachelor's degree in Biology and a Master's degree in Molecular Biology, both from the University of Southern California. He is also a PhD candidate in Molecular Biology.
DoD probably orders servers without video cards, cd/dvd drives on purpose. There are some DoD sites which have server manfactureres metal epoxy all of the USB/Firewire ports on their servers before they are even let into the datacenter. It may well be part of their security best practices.
Schwartz is of course talking about the web services part of this, but both ideas converge from the opposite direction on the same principle.
I dont know if I agree that PCs will go away, but the idea really holds alot of charm for content providers. The problems for them is that PCs arent really portable, (no, laptops dont count). With a cellphone, which is constantly connected, there is a truly portable device for the providers to push their product to.
Err, have you NOT been reading slashdot for the last couple of days? This is what these ads are all about. AMD Opteron boxes for cheaper than Dell sells em and faster as well. New designs by Andy Bechtolsteim (sic), who is widely regarded as one of the best server designers...
Oh, and I think these boxes are supported by Sun for Windows, Linux (Redhat and Suse) and of course Solaris.
And of course they push Solaris. Some people actually think that it MIGHT be a better Unix that Linux (Moderators, you didnt read that...)
This is true, but I cant imagine that is a purpose that Sun intented for these machines. A $750 single CPU opteron (with its base config being diskless) has really only one place, in very large grids. In that sort of environment, RAID 0+1 doesnt really fit, since it increases the price of the server (fast disks get expensive when you have to buy four of em), while not really buying you anything performance-wise.
I suspect the 0+1 functionality is a leftover of the Tyan mobo that they use in this box.
Gaah. I don't tend to bother about slashdot, because quite frankly, the whole _point_ of slashdot is to have this big public wanking session with people getting together and making their own "insightful" comment on any random topic, whether they know anything about it or not.
Billy Pilgrim says that on Tralfamadore, they do not have much interest in Jesus Christ, but do greatly admire Darwin, who taught that those that die are meant to, and that corpses are improvements. So it goes.
Y'know, sometimes I think that all the/. crowd wants to see is All Linux, All The Time. God, how boring. Despite what most of you have experienced, there are actual other OS's that are very good. Some *gasp* might even be better than Linux. And I think the day when Linux is the only OS in the datacenter would be a terrible day. Variety is what made Linux so powerful. It was a good/cheap alternative to Solaris/Windows/AIX/HP-UX.
Sun is trying to be competitive. They can't say "Linux sucks, go with Solaris" because it impossible to compete with an ideology. And besides, they sell Linux for the desktop. BUT they CAN say "Redhat sucks, go with Sun" which is what they ARE doing. Seems fair, right? I mean, for years, Linux advocates have been saying "Windows/Solaris/'All other OS's' suck, go with Linux"
Bah, who cares. Ill still recommend Linux for 1-4 way, and Solaris for anything heavier.
Re:Do the Sun Rays still require a dedicated LAN?
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Actually, SunRay 2.0 allows you to run on a non-dedicated LAN. It can even use the general environment DHCP instead of the SRSS built in one. I've also heard about hardware data compression being built into the next gen of these things, so that you can run em across lower bandwidth lines (DSL etc). High latency can still grind these things to unusability, tho...
Ok, you have some good points, but saying that you need at least 8-16 way SPARC box to compete with Intel is insane. A SunFire V480 beats a 4-way Intel Xeon 2.8Ghz box quite nicely in SPEC benches. It does even better in app test like TPC.
And price? The same V480 costs about $42k. A Dell 4x2.8Ghz Xeon costs $36k. And the V480 outperforms it.
SPARC rocks 4 way and above. Intel is best below 4 way. AMD is catching up with SPARC scalability, and thats why Sun is partnered with them.
Every tool to its place. If I want 1-2way boxes, AMD and Intel with Linux. If I need a 4-128 way, SPARC/Solaris or PowerPC/AIX.
There is a reason for including these utilities. Sun prides itself on maintaining backward compatability with pretty much everything written for its OS back to say Solaris 2.6. If they kept changing the utilities, scripts that leverege these utilities would break. This is a HUGE deal for companies that run legacy apps.
Yeah, the Solaris tar does suck, but on my JumpStart server, I ALWAYS include the GNU versions of tar, gzip etc.
If you want the latest-greatest, load the GNU utilities from the Solaris Supplemental CD. Or download them from www.sunfreeware.com. Or compile them yourself. Or install them via RPM. Sheesh.
Solaris Just Isn't A Desktop OS
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Why do you think Sun is going with the SuSe/JDS for their desktops? Solaris blows when it comes to hardware compatability, and thats exactly what you need when you are doing desktops, since you will find just about any mix of cpu, disks, controllers, networking, sound, video and periferals on a desktop PC.
Solaris was DESIGNED as a workstation OS for SPARC boxes with very specific hardware specs. It grew up to be an enterprise OS to be run on SPARC boxes with very specific hardware specs.
Expecting it to run flawlessly on your generic whitebox PC is like expecting to use a hammer to open a beer bottle. Sure it could work, but the results are more than likely to be ugly.
I think thats where most of the resellers will come in. Im pretty sure that they have considered this a BIG part of any large scale rollout of desktop linux, and I wouldnt be suprised if they have developed some sort of control station type software for pointandclick updates/reconfigs that even a microserf could understand. Especially if the desktop distros are severely pared down to what the average user requires (no root, browser/mail/office suite/IM/media player)
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Unless your farmer has >$5M in assets, the estate tax does not apply to him. And the reason behind the estate tax is to avoid the increasing accumulation of wealth in the hands of a few. Whether or not the government is incompetent at handling the cash is besides the point.
$50k for something that performs at $150k? And that's for a LB that saturates a 10GB line with full SSL acceleration. That's not trivial to do, and most sites wouldn't even come close to using that. In that case, I'd recommend Intel/AMD gear.
I've used the Zeus software. Never got trained on it, and had it up and running in less that 2 hours. Its really well designed.
Done and done... $50k and equivalent performance of the high end BIGIP stuff
http://www.zeus.com/news/press_articles/zeus-price-performance-press-release.html
Dexter Holland, lead singer of the the band "The Offspring" has a Bachelor's degree in Biology and a Master's degree in Molecular Biology, both from the University of Southern California. He is also a PhD candidate in Molecular Biology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_Holland
Pretty sure he is talking about World of Warcraft. There is a dungeon there called Molten Core which is infamous for the game lag it produces...
And keyboard? And mouse? Monitor? Speakers?
Not much of a gaming system without those. And those can add an easy $200 to the price if you
go bargain basement...
-chris
Just buy one of these
= SunStore&cmdViewProduct_CP&catid=138713
http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process
4 GiGE ports
5 PCI-X slots
Up to 16GB memory
4 SAS Channels with RAID 0,1
Fully suppored on Windows, Solaris, RHES, SUSE
DoD probably orders servers without video cards, cd/dvd drives on purpose. There are some DoD sites which have server manfactureres metal epoxy all of the USB/Firewire ports on their servers before they are even let into the datacenter. It may well be part of their security best practices.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/09/24/215 251.shtml?tid=95&tid=137
Schwartz is of course talking about the web services part of this, but both ideas converge from the opposite direction on the same principle.
I dont know if I agree that PCs will go away, but the idea really holds alot of charm for content providers. The problems for them is that PCs arent really portable, (no, laptops dont count). With a cellphone, which is constantly connected, there is a truly portable device for the providers to push their product to.
Err, have you NOT been reading slashdot for the last couple of days? This is what these ads are all about. AMD Opteron boxes for cheaper than Dell sells em and faster as well. New designs by Andy Bechtolsteim (sic), who is widely regarded as one of the best server designers...
Oh, and I think these boxes are supported by Sun for Windows, Linux (Redhat and Suse) and of course Solaris.
And of course they push Solaris. Some people actually think that it MIGHT be a better Unix that Linux (Moderators, you didnt read that...)
OMG, I wish I had some mod points for you, this deserves +5 Insightful....
:-D
"Sometimes different is even better than good.".. gonna put that in my gmail sig
-chris
This is true, but I cant imagine that is a purpose that Sun intented for these machines. A $750 single CPU opteron (with its base config being diskless) has really only one place, in very large grids. In that sort of environment, RAID 0+1 doesnt really fit, since it increases the price of the server (fast disks get expensive when you have to buy four of em), while not really buying you anything performance-wise.
I suspect the 0+1 functionality is a leftover of the Tyan mobo that they use in this box.
Now THATS insightful!
Read what I consider the seminal hacker work on this subject by Aleph One over at phrack.org
http://www.phrack.org/show.php?p=49&a=14
A little on the detailed side, especially the gdb stuff, but a GREAT article.
To quote Kurt Vonnegut, in Slaughterhouse Five
Billy Pilgrim says that on Tralfamadore, they do not have much interest in Jesus Christ, but do greatly admire Darwin, who taught that those that die are meant to, and that corpses are improvements. So it goes.
Remember, Sun is first of all a server company. They are certifying primarily on servers, and not just their own. See http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
And on the server I've installed Solaris 10b69 on, its NOTICIBLY faster. Maybe its just me.
http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=2002 1112
Go Super Tiger Dragon Edition!!!!
Y'know, sometimes I think that all the /. crowd wants to see is All Linux, All The Time. God, how boring. Despite what most of you have experienced, there are actual other OS's that are very good. Some *gasp* might even be better than Linux. And I think the day when Linux is the only OS in the datacenter would be a terrible day. Variety is what made Linux so powerful. It was a good/cheap alternative to Solaris/Windows/AIX/HP-UX.
Sun is trying to be competitive. They can't say "Linux sucks, go with Solaris" because it impossible to compete with an ideology. And besides, they sell Linux for the desktop. BUT they CAN say "Redhat sucks, go with Sun" which is what they ARE doing. Seems fair, right? I mean, for years, Linux advocates have been saying "Windows/Solaris/'All other OS's' suck, go with Linux"
Bah, who cares. Ill still recommend Linux for 1-4 way, and Solaris for anything heavier.
Actually, SunRay 2.0 allows you to run on a non-dedicated LAN. It can even use the general environment DHCP instead of the SRSS built in one. I've also heard about hardware data compression being built into the next gen of these things, so that you can run em across lower bandwidth lines (DSL etc). High latency can still grind these things to unusability, tho...
I believe that they have 6-7 Billion in Cash/Marketable/Short-Term Equities
TPC stuff.. hmm
Inspection shows that there are no results SUBMITTED by Sun for TPC-C.
BUT...
Top Ten TPC-H by Price/Performance]
1. SunFire V250
2. SunFire V440
5. SunFire V240
And aint it kinda strange how there are only Windows servers in the TPC-C price-performance top 10? No linux/unix in sight.... WEIRD.
And what compiling and integrating F/OSS? I havent found any that arent availiable in pkg format either on sunfreeware.com or on the Supplimental CD.
Ok, you have some good points, but saying that you need at least 8-16 way SPARC box to compete with Intel is insane. A SunFire V480 beats a 4-way Intel Xeon 2.8Ghz box quite nicely in SPEC benches. It does even better in app test like TPC.
And price? The same V480 costs about $42k. A Dell 4x2.8Ghz Xeon costs $36k. And the V480 outperforms it.
SPARC rocks 4 way and above. Intel is best below 4 way. AMD is catching up with SPARC scalability, and thats why Sun is partnered with them.
Every tool to its place. If I want 1-2way boxes, AMD and Intel with Linux. If I need a 4-128 way, SPARC/Solaris or PowerPC/AIX.
There is a reason for including these utilities. Sun prides itself on maintaining backward compatability with pretty much everything written for its OS back to say Solaris 2.6. If they kept changing the utilities, scripts that leverege these utilities would break. This is a HUGE deal for companies that run legacy apps.
Yeah, the Solaris tar does suck, but on my JumpStart server, I ALWAYS include the GNU versions of tar, gzip etc.
If you want the latest-greatest, load the GNU utilities from the Solaris Supplemental CD. Or download them from www.sunfreeware.com. Or compile them yourself. Or install them via RPM. Sheesh.
Why do you think Sun is going with the SuSe/JDS for their desktops? Solaris blows when it comes to hardware compatability, and thats exactly what you need when you are doing desktops, since you will find just about any mix of cpu, disks, controllers, networking, sound, video and periferals on a desktop PC.
Solaris was DESIGNED as a workstation OS for SPARC boxes with very specific hardware specs. It grew up to be an enterprise OS to be run on SPARC boxes with very specific hardware specs.
Expecting it to run flawlessly on your generic whitebox PC is like expecting to use a hammer to open a beer bottle. Sure it could work, but the results are more than likely to be ugly.
I think thats where most of the resellers will come in. Im pretty sure that they have considered this a BIG part of any large scale rollout of desktop linux, and I wouldnt be suprised if they have developed some sort of control station type software for pointandclick updates/reconfigs that even a microserf could understand. Especially if the desktop distros are severely pared down to what the average user requires (no root, browser/mail/office suite/IM/media player)