"An archaeologist from the University of South Carolina on Wednesday announced radiocarbon tests that dated the first human settlement in North America to 50,000 years ago"
It takes time to fit into the Linux community, work out the legal bits, work our internal processes. If I'm not mistaken SGI had a terrible time with all of this but are now in the process.
But its not about making Linux better. Linux is going to walk all over Solaris. It has the momo and brick walls wont be stopping this freight train.
If Sun employees want to be marketable in a Linux world, working on a Linux like OS wont cut it. They need to get into the process. Stake out some respect and a niche of expertise in the community. Otherwise someone else will be there and Sun engineers will be filing bugs with the rest of the end users out there.
It would be sad to see a bunch of kernel developers become evolutionary dead ends and then have the company go belly up.
Taking a bullet for inflated dot com egos is not what Sun engineers should be put up to. Sun should enable their engineers and join the rest of the world. Sun isnt big enough to keep a disneyland in the backyard to live in.
>> The Bush administration has actively supported ineffective production in US by adding special taxes on steel imports to protect ineffective american industry.
This was a popular move because it saved jobs in the steel industry, what is less known is that it cost more jobs in the car manufacturing industry due to higher prices and hence reduced sale.
The steel industry is also a matter of national defense. Battle ships, tanks,.. are not made from trees. That makes steel a bit different from say pork bellies.
The US steel industry would not have improved efficiency to compete, it would have vanished. From your slant, I take it this is the smile you wanted.
The shelter was temporary so the industry had a -chance- at competing. This is more efficient than having the US Army trying to make steel. There was also a matter of our markets being dumped on with surplus which was never addressed properly.
Not unlike say Microsoft making an extra 200M xboxes, giving away all their 'excess' in japan and having japan/Sony getting a _bit_ upset. Would Microsoft give away xboxes after Sony was gone from the maket? In this hypothetical situation, you are saying Sony just isnt as efficient as Microsoft.
No I wouldnt use it but I'd like to see them do it if they think they can. Apple does some great work in the open source community. When apple did this, they would be having engineers looking at x86 gcc, libc, and many many more packages. It would improve many parts of Open Source.
Will they do it? Probably not. The QA required on x86 would be a nightmare compared to their well controlled hardware offering. Drivers are the main thing. Sure they can use available code from BSD but they still have to do their own QA.
It sure would be a boost for GNU and BSD projects if they tried. It would probably take windows users in great numbers which cant be bad. Go for it.
XUL is an XML language based on W3C standard XML 1.0. Applications written in XUL are based on additional W3C standard technologies featuring HTML 4.0; Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) 1 and 2; Document Object Model (DOM) Levels 1 and 2; JavaScript 1.5, including ECMA-262 Edition 3 (ECMAscript); XML 1.0.
mozilla.org is going a step further by seeking W3C standardization for the eXtensible Binding Language (XBL) (see "Supporting Technologies", below).
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/joy-of-xul.h tm l
They have good intent, but its not a standard. XML, CSS, (X)HTML,.. obviously are. Microsoft has endorsed the standards also.
XUL is not standardized. Its an non standard extension.
http://www.org/Help/siteindex#X
_not there_
Even Javascript is standardized. This isnt too much to ask for.
None of these are standards. If they want to be taken seriously, sit down, sign patent waivers, and go through the effort of comming up with a published standard.
These are all toys in the larger picture until they are patent free standards. Otherwise they are traps that companies _must_ avoid.
I like some of them. But suggesting their use until one bites the bullet is not prudent.
long as none of the music is NOT comming from the RIAA cartel. Poor quality, poorly paid musicians. Fat cats buying fat legislation. Thats not what I will pay for in any form. They pissed us off and its payback time.
The ideal business is going to REJECT all RIAA bands and focus on quality, diversity, music. Having a service that screens out that crud would be high on my list.
The articles are somehow the product of martin taylor. This is the guy that was assigned to make windows appear a better option than linux. His job is to make windows look less expensive both up front and with the 'TCO.'
Just go to news.google.com and paste in Martin Taylor. Look at his job when he moved up at MSFT.
There should be no doubt that anyone talking to Martin Taylor is being fed the spin and probably the 'facts' as has been shown over and over in TCO and performance 'studies.'
For a balanced article there is not very much balance. I take it they didnt bother to say redhat or novell or ibm or oracle didnt reply to their questions because... oh I don't know.. This was being stuffed down their throats by Martin Taylor and they never bothered to pick up the phone and call to ask?
Do Linux users switch to windows now and then? Sure - thats what competition is about. Was this article balanced? No - this was a Martin Taylor feed.
Remember that name and these articletisments become easier to spot.
The first is when taxes pay for research and programming the code should be public domain. Microsoft, apple, GNU, everyone should be able to take the code and put it in their work, claim copyrights and license it as they like. From there let the various models compete. I dont want to get into trying to legislate licenses.
The second is states should not be able to say you can or can not buy commercial software or open source. I'm not even for favoring one or the other. Let them compete. However, they should be able to say they will only be able to buy software that adhears to standards needed for interoperability between vendor products. So unless the.doc format is open, no go. Otherwise states get locked into vendors without options. If it involves transactions, communication or storage, it needs to be open and allow all vendors to participate.
One thing is for sure. If you start playing politics with Microsoft, you better be ready for the big fight. Its one thing to push for standards which is going to cause enough conflict, but dictating vendors or rejecting vendors based on their biz model is getting into dangerous ground.
There is nothing preventing efforts like this. But understand it is not supported. There will always be a cloud of doubt surrounding binary drivers. They could break anyday. Vendors have the freedom to do this. Kernel developers have the freedom to ignore them.
If you want your system to work, make sure it is not using binary drivers. Otherwise pray your vendor is following every single change.
If you do have problems with a binary driver, dont bother the open source community. We have the freedom to ignore you.
You can read the comments Linus has made concerning binary drivers. You are on your own. Its _not_ a level playing field. Open drivers _will_ always have the advantage. Shop accordingly and enjoy your freedom.
5% to 25%. My annual auto insurance is $320 or so. 5% -> $16.
These will be cute toys people will hack into and tamper with. They only real advantage they offer is parents can put them in their 17 year olds first car and give the boogie man speach. Social engineering.
At $16 we are all wasting each others time and money. So whats really going on here? Regardless of how its packaged, I'd be the one paying for that box and its going to cost more than the 'savings.' I sure dont want to be looking at class action suits 10 years down the road when they are used to trick consumers into higher bills and start running marketing data between every company that can do a credit check.
Insurance, investing, banking. These guys all have broad interests and swap personal information like water. For instance, read your privacy statements from your insurance and credit card company.
If the police want to put cameras up on public roads or license plates on my car, they can work through local laws. The car is mine though. Not GM's or an auto insurance company. The odds are the box would not be used as I wish. So no go.
Though I would pay attention if they open sourced.net.
What they should try doing is participating with the community rather than trying to harvest/divide it. Ship perl, python, apache... Work with some of these open source projects. Show this isnt headed the direction of mosaic, embraced and extinguished mit licensed works.
Show this isnt just some game. Otherwise, have fun.
MSFT's culture is bankrupt. They have little to bring to the table. Show they are changing their culture, come out and play.
No. IBM and Sun are not going to want a clear winner. Its just that redhat is winning at the moment. Losing their edge as you mention but still ahead.
The second it looks like Novell is going to come out ahead, you will see IBM and Sun favaoring redhat. Its that simple. Redhat got enough of the market to talk smack and.. got smacked.
They dont want a MSFT in this ecosystem. They want competition. If say Sun buys redhat and novell (right), you will see IBM doing $50M investments in the next linux IPOs with all of IBMs support behind them. They get multiples on their money back and Sun is sitting on expensive investments.
This is why companies like IBM like open source in the first place.
Tried gmail. Not bad. Never looked at hotmail. I assume its simular at what I look for. I refuse to turn on javascript so gmail is out. Yahoo on the other hand offers an 'old' interface that requires no javascript.
All I use them for are xmas shopping and so forth. Create the account, order away, check the account in january and forget it. You can always get another one. So I dont see the point of > 2 megs storage either. I'd rather not have my real email on their boxes even if they are reputable. No pop3, imap,... without paying. And for the sort of money they want for 'extra services' you can get together with some friends and have a colocated box with all the services (and more).
What Unix passes Unix 2003? OK. Who passed UNIX 98? Get the picture? Its going to cost ~$0.5M when all said and done. What advantage is there? Some of the 'UNIX' systems out there have not passed a checklist in over a decade.
Linux does not need people who dont code deciding what is right and wrong in expensive ongoing beurocratic processes. Things are decided much faster in open forums which document the process in ample detail.
Linux does deviate but given a coin toss, it goes with the previous 'standards.' If the legacy means does not make sense, its ignored and documented.
The UNIX branding made sense with legacy closed source Unix systems. It provided a level of trust that customers could drop to without even (imagine!) seeing the underlying code.
It was a bandaid on a broken model. The outdated Unix systems deviated but the customer could only read documentation, not code.
So systems like Solaris, AIX, HP-UX... have two options. Continue down the documentation/standards/branding route increasing customers costs $100's/install or just open up the developement process/source.
If they decide to open up the process, they have to decide wether to join open source projects or try to replicate the efforts.
'UNIX' is dead. Do we need a netcraft survey?
I know people are going to say that wont work. "Look at all the forks in apache and perl and python. It will be anarchy."
Thats proven to not be the case. The problem has always been closed source.
I recon Intel wont have the 4 Ghz CPU's out by then.
Your thinking is very vector like with high language teaching from schools being the target. In reality there are other directions CPU's are going too. If the original poster is building a gateway with no moving parts including CPU fans, hard drives,... The machine may well be the gateway for the trendy AI expert systems in 10 years and still be working fine.
Z80, 80C52,... are more than enough for many applications. But in these applications you do often concern yourself with power.
Hand held gps units do not need every feature possible. They need long battery lifes.
A frig manufacturer does not want to change its electric use rating because someone said AI is cool just so they can have it report failures over the internet. Computers with monitors represent a minute fraction of all computers out there.
It's not such a happy old world. Sure HP is a hardware company but being a partner with MSFT means some dire things for any OS or Software company trying to work with HP.
HP slips out a Linux laptop. MSFT stomps on it behind the scense, HP wants to put Linux in its sales material. MSFT stomps on it.
Sometimes HP gets its way but mostly MSFT hinders competitors behind the scenes in ways Linux or Netscape or... never do against MSFT.
It was maybe 4 years ago I called Dell asking if I could get a Linux laptop, or a laptop without windows. No No No... I said ok, I'm going to purchase another laptop then.
You are not going to find a laptop without windows.
Sure! Its not a namebrand but I found one on the Internet. They even install Linux if you ask.
Who?
You've got a web browser. Search for it yourself. Thanks for your 'help.'
Those of us that have followed microsoft and linux know exactly what was going on. It has everything to do with 'Microsoft Partners.'
Now before going off on Linux isnt a big enough market and doing QA for linux would be too much work, It was clear I was looking for a laptop without windows. It didnt need to be a laptop with Linux. Same could be said for BeOS or *BSD or...
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With Windows, if something goes wrong, a "shrug and reboot" will take place. If something's still wrong, a work order or whatever else will be put in, and the problem will be fixed. Now, here's the kicker: when things have to get fixed, does the government want to have to pay for a bunch of people who are like the character Nick Burns from SNL?
So I guess your point is IBM needs a better dress code? Maybe brighter ties? Button up tie-dye shirts?
We have a hobby pilot mentioning he sees problesm. Was it an anolog, TDMA, CDMA, GSM... phone? I know from past reading that CDMA operates _below_ background noise. The possibility of a GSM or CDMA phone doing anything are about as remote as having the battery explode and take out the wing.
Analog on the otherhand is going to be blasting a full strength signal trying to get through the tin can. The phone will probably feel hot in your hand.
And with the example the parent gives... CDMA is limited by more than line of sight. Its very time sensitive. THey work to ~40 miles and then start running into timing problems. So unless you are flying over RI I dont see how you will be reaching anything outside of the ~40 mil radius.
And more.. (I dont know whats right or wrong here I'm just noting that even 'experts' are not clear on why they state what they do..
Last year a german airline started allowing cellphones. Does that mean the airbus is designed for their use while US planes are not? Otherwise someone out their is talking silly.
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"An archaeologist from the University of South Carolina on Wednesday announced radiocarbon tests that dated the first human settlement in North America to 50,000 years ago"
Ya? Well we have been there for ages. We even made a movie about it in 1996!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116282/
For the sake of their employees.
It takes time to fit into the Linux community, work out the legal bits, work our internal processes. If I'm not mistaken SGI had a terrible time with all of this but are now in the process.
But its not about making Linux better. Linux is going to walk all over Solaris. It has the momo and brick walls wont be stopping this freight train.
If Sun employees want to be marketable in a Linux world, working on a Linux like OS wont cut it. They need to get into the process. Stake out some respect and a niche of expertise in the community. Otherwise someone else will be there and Sun engineers will be filing bugs with the rest of the end users out there.
It would be sad to see a bunch of kernel developers become evolutionary dead ends and then have the company go belly up.
Taking a bullet for inflated dot com egos is not what Sun engineers should be put up to. Sun should enable their engineers and join the rest of the world. Sun isnt big enough to keep a disneyland in the backyard to live in.
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.. are not made from trees. That makes steel a bit different from say pork bellies.
The Bush administration has actively supported ineffective production in US by adding special taxes on steel imports to protect ineffective american industry.
This was a popular move because it saved jobs in the steel industry, what is less known is that it cost more jobs in the car manufacturing industry due to higher prices and hence reduced sale.
The steel industry is also a matter of national defense. Battle ships, tanks,
The US steel industry would not have improved efficiency to compete, it would have vanished. From your slant, I take it this is the smile you wanted.
The shelter was temporary so the industry had a -chance- at competing. This is more efficient than having the US Army trying to make steel. There was also a matter of our markets being dumped on with surplus which was never addressed properly.
Not unlike say Microsoft making an extra 200M xboxes, giving away all their 'excess' in japan and having japan/Sony getting a _bit_ upset. Would Microsoft give away xboxes after Sony was gone from the maket? In this hypothetical situation, you are saying Sony just isnt as efficient as Microsoft.
No I wouldnt use it but I'd like to see them do it if they think they can. Apple does some great work in the open source community. When apple did this, they would be having engineers looking at x86 gcc, libc, and many many more packages. It would improve many parts of Open Source.
Will they do it? Probably not. The QA required on x86 would be a nightmare compared to their well controlled hardware offering. Drivers are the main thing. Sure they can use available code from BSD but they still have to do their own QA.
It sure would be a boost for GNU and BSD projects if they tried. It would probably take windows users in great numbers which cant be bad. Go for it.
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.. obviously are. Microsoft has endorsed the standards also.
I think you're wrong about XUL.
XUL is an XML language based on W3C standard XML 1.0. Applications written in XUL are based on additional W3C standard technologies featuring HTML 4.0; Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) 1 and 2; Document Object Model (DOM) Levels 1 and 2; JavaScript 1.5, including ECMA-262 Edition 3 (ECMAscript); XML 1.0.
mozilla.org is going a step further by seeking W3C standardization for the eXtensible Binding Language (XBL) (see "Supporting Technologies", below).
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/joy-of-xul.
They have good intent, but its not a standard. XML, CSS, (X)HTML,
XUL is not standardized. Its an non standard extension.
http://www.org/Help/siteindex#X
_not there_
Even Javascript is standardized. This isnt too much to ask for.
None of these are standards. If they want to be taken seriously, sit down, sign patent waivers, and go through the effort of comming up with a published standard.
These are all toys in the larger picture until they are patent free standards. Otherwise they are traps that companies _must_ avoid.
I like some of them. But suggesting their use until one bites the bullet is not prudent.
I agree, 183 patents isn't much if you consider the amount of stupid patents out there.
In fact at this rate there wont be any patents to worry about.
long as none of the music is NOT comming from the RIAA cartel. Poor quality, poorly paid musicians. Fat cats buying fat legislation. Thats not what I will pay for in any form. They pissed us off and its payback time.
The ideal business is going to REJECT all RIAA bands and focus on quality, diversity, music. Having a service that screens out that crud would be high on my list.
The articles are somehow the product of martin taylor. This is the guy that was assigned to make windows appear a better option than linux. His job is to make windows look less expensive both up front and with the 'TCO.'
Just go to news.google.com and paste in Martin Taylor. Look at his job when he moved up at MSFT.
There should be no doubt that anyone talking to Martin Taylor is being fed the spin and probably the 'facts' as has been shown over and over in TCO and performance 'studies.'
For a balanced article there is not very much balance. I take it they didnt bother to say redhat or novell or ibm or oracle didnt reply to their questions because... oh I don't know.. This was being stuffed down their throats by Martin Taylor and they never bothered to pick up the phone and call to ask?
Do Linux users switch to windows now and then? Sure - thats what competition is about. Was this article balanced? No - this was a Martin Taylor feed.
Remember that name and these articletisments become easier to spot.
The first is when taxes pay for research and programming the code should be public domain. Microsoft, apple, GNU, everyone should be able to take the code and put it in their work, claim copyrights and license it as they like. From there let the various models compete. I dont want to get into trying to legislate licenses.
The second is states should not be able to say you can or can not buy commercial software or open source. I'm not even for favoring one or the other. Let them compete. However, they should be able to say they will only be able to buy software that adhears to standards needed for interoperability between vendor products. So unless the
One thing is for sure. If you start playing politics with Microsoft, you better be ready for the big fight. Its one thing to push for standards which is going to cause enough conflict, but dictating vendors or rejecting vendors based on their biz model is getting into dangerous ground.
There is nothing preventing efforts like this. But understand it is not supported. There will always be a cloud of doubt surrounding binary drivers. They could break anyday. Vendors have the freedom to do this. Kernel developers have the freedom to ignore them.
If you want your system to work, make sure it is not using binary drivers. Otherwise pray your vendor is following every single change.
If you do have problems with a binary driver, dont bother the open source community. We have the freedom to ignore you.
You can read the comments Linus has made concerning binary drivers. You are on your own. Its _not_ a level playing field. Open drivers _will_ always have the advantage. Shop accordingly and enjoy your freedom.
100% work*time improvement - Everyone goes what?
50% of the time to display - Everyone says what? then gets it.
twice as fast. - Everyone says oh, OK.
Each increasing easier to understand but decreasingly attractive to marketing droids.
Sigh.
5% to 25%. My annual auto insurance is $320 or so. 5% -> $16.
These will be cute toys people will hack into and tamper with. They only real advantage they offer is parents can put them in their 17 year olds first car and give the boogie man speach. Social engineering.
At $16 we are all wasting each others time and money. So whats really going on here? Regardless of how its packaged, I'd be the one paying for that box and its going to cost more than the 'savings.' I sure dont want to be looking at class action suits 10 years down the road when they are used to trick consumers into higher bills and start running marketing data between every company that can do a credit check.
Insurance, investing, banking. These guys all have broad interests and swap personal information like water. For instance, read your privacy statements from your insurance and credit card company.
If the police want to put cameras up on public roads or license plates on my car, they can work through local laws. The car is mine though. Not GM's or an auto insurance company. The odds are the box would not be used as I wish. So no go.
Though I would pay attention if they open sourced
What they should try doing is participating with the community rather than trying to harvest/divide it. Ship perl, python, apache... Work with some of these open source projects. Show this isnt headed the direction of mosaic, embraced and extinguished mit licensed works.
Show this isnt just some game. Otherwise, have fun.
MSFT's culture is bankrupt. They have little to bring to the table. Show they are changing their culture, come out and play.
No. IBM and Sun are not going to want a clear winner. Its just that redhat is winning at the moment. Losing their edge as you mention but still ahead.
The second it looks like Novell is going to come out ahead, you will see IBM and Sun favaoring redhat. Its that simple. Redhat got enough of the market to talk smack and
They dont want a MSFT in this ecosystem. They want competition. If say Sun buys redhat and novell (right), you will see IBM doing $50M investments in the next linux IPOs with all of IBMs support behind them. They get multiples on their money back and Sun is sitting on expensive investments.
This is why companies like IBM like open source in the first place.
Pangea was around 200-300 million years ago. Permium / Triassic Periods. The asteroid was ~200 million years later in the Cretaceous period.
Tried gmail. Not bad. Never looked at hotmail. I assume its simular at what I look for. I refuse to turn on javascript so gmail is out. Yahoo on the other hand offers an 'old' interface that requires no javascript.
All I use them for are xmas shopping and so forth. Create the account, order away, check the account in january and forget it. You can always get another one. So I dont see the point of > 2 megs storage either. I'd rather not have my real email on their boxes even if they are reputable. No pop3, imap,
"The space-age theme was promoted in ads promising "TV today from the world of tomorrow".
Computer today from the world of the yesterday.
Neat idea.
Is the branding alive or not?
What Unix passes Unix 2003? OK. Who passed UNIX 98? Get the picture? Its going to cost ~$0.5M when all said and done. What advantage is there? Some of the 'UNIX' systems out there have not passed a checklist in over a decade.
Linux does not need people who dont code deciding what is right and wrong in expensive ongoing beurocratic processes. Things are decided much faster in open forums which document the process in ample detail.
Linux does deviate but given a coin toss, it goes with the previous 'standards.' If the legacy means does not make sense, its ignored and documented.
The UNIX branding made sense with legacy closed source Unix systems. It provided a level of trust that customers could drop to without even (imagine!) seeing the underlying code.
It was a bandaid on a broken model. The outdated Unix systems deviated but the customer could only read documentation, not code.
So systems like Solaris, AIX, HP-UX
If they decide to open up the process, they have to decide wether to join open source projects or try to replicate the efforts.
'UNIX' is dead. Do we need a netcraft survey?
I know people are going to say that wont work. "Look at all the forks in apache and perl and python. It will be anarchy."
Thats proven to not be the case. The problem has always been closed source.
I recon Intel wont have the 4 Ghz CPU's out by then.
Your thinking is very vector like with high language teaching from schools being the target. In reality there are other directions CPU's are going too. If the original poster is building a gateway with no moving parts including CPU fans, hard drives,
Z80, 80C52,
Hand held gps units do not need every feature possible. They need long battery lifes.
A frig manufacturer does not want to change its electric use rating because someone said AI is cool just so they can have it report failures over the internet. Computers with monitors represent a minute fraction of all computers out there.
It's not such a happy old world. Sure HP is a hardware company but being a partner with MSFT means some dire things for any OS or Software company trying to work with HP.
HP slips out a Linux laptop. MSFT stomps on it behind the scense, HP wants to put Linux in its sales material. MSFT stomps on it.
Sometimes HP gets its way but mostly MSFT hinders competitors behind the scenes in ways Linux or Netscape or... never do against MSFT.
It was maybe 4 years ago I called Dell asking if I could get a Linux laptop, or a laptop without windows. No No No... I said ok, I'm going to purchase another laptop then.
You are not going to find a laptop without windows.
Sure! Its not a namebrand but I found one on the Internet. They even install Linux if you ask.
Who?
You've got a web browser. Search for it yourself. Thanks for your 'help.'
Those of us that have followed microsoft and linux know exactly what was going on. It has everything to do with 'Microsoft Partners.'
Now before going off on Linux isnt a big enough market and doing QA for linux would be too much work, It was clear I was looking for a laptop without windows. It didnt need to be a laptop with Linux. Same could be said for BeOS or *BSD or
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With Windows, if something goes wrong, a "shrug and reboot" will take place. If something's still wrong, a work order or whatever else will be put in, and the problem will be fixed. Now, here's the kicker: when things have to get fixed, does the government want to have to pay for a bunch of people who are like the character Nick Burns from SNL?
So I guess your point is IBM needs a better dress code? Maybe brighter ties? Button up tie-dye shirts?
I've thought the same for _years_.
What is a 'Cellphone?'
We have a hobby pilot mentioning he sees problesm. Was it an anolog, TDMA, CDMA, GSM
Analog on the otherhand is going to be blasting a full strength signal trying to get through the tin can. The phone will probably feel hot in your hand.
And with the example the parent gives... CDMA is limited by more than line of sight. Its very time sensitive. THey work to ~40 miles and then start running into timing problems. So unless you are flying over RI I dont see how you will be reaching anything outside of the ~40 mil radius.
And more.. (I dont know whats right or wrong here I'm just noting that even 'experts' are not clear on why they state what they do..
Last year a german airline started allowing cellphones. Does that mean the airbus is designed for their use while US planes are not? Otherwise someone out their is talking silly.