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You bet I can say "knee jerk" as I see a lot of knees jerking on Slashdot to all kinds of issues when people should be thinking with their minds and not their legs.
So looking at this slashdot story, most of the people are focussing here on some sort of rape issue which it really doesn't appear to be and IGNORING the more important issue that is going to affect them on a personal level:
The Aussie govt is getting set to regulate even more to what kinds of information Australians have access to.
You know, when they put some increase in censorship / surveillance issue out to the public they always tag that issue with some sort of child protection angle or evil sexual conduct between adults issue etc.
While we're on the subject, I don't know what "The Law" (uh! on your knees!) is down under but in the US a kid they railroaded from high school straight into the military at the age of 18 is not old enough to drink or have sex, but he sure is old enough to die.
I don't "hate" the UN, the EU, a hundred+ entities claiming ownership to the geographic territories claiming to "represent" the people living there (and in most cases more or less confined there). It's just that I have little use for these people, the Henry Kissingers, Battenbergs and the hundreds of thousands of morons that make it happen. You need to work on that part of your map.
Look JKrise, I don't want to come on as condescending but please don't bore us with rethoric like "Greedy governments can be voted out of power". Oh and as far as "social responsibility" is concerned, oh boy you need to come over here, your beloved Eurosocialists are systematically killing income and standard of living here with cheap (1 EUR / h) Workfare people who may soon also be rented out to european industry to work for their dole.
You need an update badly because all you're doing right now is relaying packets of disinformation.
Instead of diverting the discussion down the usual boring path, why don't you look at the more important facts:
1. That 1.35 billion $$$ "fine" will be paid by people buying Microsoft Products. 2. It goes into the coffers of the EU, yet another level of leeches that are taking away
even more money from people who already have to contend with their greedy national
"governments"
I wonder how much care and food you are willing to give someone who doesn't look like he's going to pull through after say a couple of weeks with maybe a handful of food a day? A couple of days just as spring is about to break with no food at all and sucking on snow? I'm not saying we're not social animals, why even rats will care for a sick or injured individual, making them comfortable and bringing them food - but just like with them so with us there are limits to that kind of altruism. You can be sure that a group of Mongolian nomads with a tight calory budget would have left that guy behind. Not without second thought and not because life is cheap and worthless (that's a modern notion) but out of pure necessity because it doesn't make sense to pull someone along who isn't going to pull through. They would probably have taken a large stone and hit him hard on the head with it and then mourned and then moved on.
1.5 years of 2.51 mln dollars a day would be somewhere around 1.35 bln dollars. Before all the Microsoft hating Microsoft users that actually depend on their products (your stupid choice) get all excited all it means is that everything from their Desktop OS to their smallbusiness database offering, including support, training, certification and "professional" services costs EUR 50 - EUR 300 more / item. That money then goes straight to the glorious EU your Ubergovernment in Brussels and Strasbourg that is also living off of your back right alongside your respective national government leeches.
For this to be useful in a production environment (out in the wild), this "damage control system" which is would have to do that kind of work within hours max keeping in mind above all the dangers of predation, overheating, undercooling or plain running out of fuel. Humans don't carry energy reserves for 19 years and what's a hungry predator to do when it stumbles upon a fresh ripe meat vegetable?
Next time consider that there are many aspects to an issue you're not told about by the mainstream media, then you avoid the situation of being fingered as a naive repeater of disinformation packets.
I would still be interested to hear if you have anything to say about the emission trade but maybe that will have to wait until you're up to speed on the subject.
Since with your last post you divert the attention away from the subject, does that mean you're stumped and have nothing more to add? Maybe I'm giving you a little too much credit here but all I can see is you came up with an excuse to tag this thread with yet another keyword.
I don't believe in science to the point that it really reflects more of nature than what our puny imagination and little minds are capable of working with. Are you saying that our imagination is just as good as science at predicting the effect of CO2? Qualifies as dont' believe in science in my book.
It seems to me you're new to the concept. I am saying that the model of nature we we call science is limited by our imagination. It takes a lot of imagination to twist it so I don't believe in science.
State strawman. Repeat until believed. You dismiss all peer review while providing no evidence that any is so influenced.
Just because you can find a number of scientist willing to cross-certify does not necessarily mean their theories add extra value to the model. Until recently in order to get recognition and funding in physics, one had to operate within the string theory framework which has been found to have serious flaws explaining what we perceive as the universe. I'm not saying that peer review has no merit but it also is no litmus test whether a given theory will allow us to expand our model. Unwittingly however you have pointed out one of the main problems in modern science that really has its root in the fact that humans are involved in the process: "Repeat until believed". No matter how sophisticated we consider ourselves, we're gullible creatures and it takes only so much repetition in the various journals, or on "side matters" such as funding criteria to create "true believers". As far as influence is concerned, very few scientists within the acclaimed circle of mutual peer review in climate research of Kyoto fame work out of their garages with no funding.
And that leads us back to the conspiracy aspect which you are constantly trying to point out here. I see no conspiracy here but I can see the power and economic clout from being able to sell people the very right to fart:-) i.e. releasing carbon into the atmosphere. You have still not have had anything to say about the planned trade in carbon emission rights.
I believe in science as a best-effort MODEL to TRY to explain the world we live in to a CERTAIN DEGREE. I don't believe in science to the point that it really reflects more of nature than what our puny imagination and little minds are capable of working with.
I don't believe in models clearly built to serve socio-economic interests. I don't believe in peer review that is funded by the same financiers and pointing out that some science is funded so why don't you comment on making CO2-Emissions a tradeable commodity? The Kyoto crowd is not exactly a conspiracy, they are acting out their drama in public and the papers are out there for any and all who care to read.
Just because crooks are reviewing crooks doesn't make the European carbon hype any truer. Check out the politics and economic interests behind the carbon issue and you will find European capital groups all excited about building a Carbon Stock Excahnge where you can trade the "right" to release carbon in the atmosphere and with everybody having to buy into this from industry to agriculture. Tell you what, I will gleefully ignore all of your peer reviewed papers when Deutsche and Dresdner Bank are doing the funding.
You're right about one thing, though. Corrupt scientists could find their asses in a labor camp.
I don't own a PSP nor am I going to get one but any day Sony and anyone associated with Sony gets burned is a good day. All the same: Kudos and honest appreciation to the people that hacked the firmware.
I hope this latest fiasco should be cause for people to pull out of Sony and make them drop out of the console market altogether. And doesn't it suck to be one of the software vendors that actually invested in the PSP2... Hope you're reading this, because this is going to cost you dearly and I hope you don't even break even.
First I'm sure they will know what is right and that doesn't include using swear words. Uncertainty is the last thing their case needs. IANAL but any Lawyer can tell you that. Childishness will be the last thing on their mind. Remember this is Puritan America 2006. Kind of what would you do if you were in their shoes? You sure wouldn't try to hide any silly messages, would you? I sure as hell wouldn't! Our courts are not known for their humour (but for being laughed at). Understanding that will keep you out of trouble. Or not. Depends on the cops, really. Jesus Christ, people use your brains! Taunting authority will get you nowhere at all: FAST! Under no circumstances would they want to do that! Send a secret message to the judge! Don't ever think of trying that yourself btw. The judge will certainly be pissed off! Good grief, they could kiss their asses goodbye if they even thought of it! Especially in America you can't get away with this.
Problem: Virus / Rootkits are now so good there's no way we can detect them anymore!
Reaction: Somebody has to do something about this! We need to be able to make sure something like that doesn't get installed.
Solution: Trusted Computing / "Palladium" / "Fritz Chip" -- what they wanted all along.
It would surprise me not one bit if the hypervisor root kit was built for people who had exactly this
kind of discussion in mind.
In order for WGA to work the authorization data (Product Key, WPA Signature etc.) must be kept confidential. One way to cause major problems for WGA would be to automatically make this information available to the net at first by thousands to hundredthousands of users, for example by a popular service many use and which also transfers the authorization data to nodes who don't have it.
Another (illegal) way to do it would be to write a virus that automatically publishes that information into newsgroups etc.
The internet really teaches an interesting lesson both to the control freak and the ones he wishes to control. Disobedience spreads a lot faster on the internet than in meat space and aren't they afraid of that.
I don't agree. There is at least one good reason to teach latin. First of all to make sure that once we're done with them nobody will ever be interested again in the subject and so we can give them a dose of Cicero, the roman slumlord who had "National Security Risks" strangled in prison without due process and trial and declared martial law. Yes Cicero was a dirty slumlord and his income came from a couple of dozen hazardous, unhealthy tenements throughout the city, multistoried buildings made of wood that housed hundreds of people and their body wastes and more often than not went up in flames trapping the working poor inside. His writings are full of abuse and hatred for Julius Cesar who he particularily hated for the many improvements he brought about for Rome's poor, such as the forgiving of debt incurred by (among other) Ciceros abhorrent rent, but also other laws that also affected Cicero's bottom line such as forcing him to employ a certain percentage of free men instead of slaves to work on the freshly privatized formerly public agricultural fiels outside of Rome which Cicero happened to "own". Against this backdrop, the piece of shit of a "Hitlerland Security State" that is imposed on us is a high tech version of old Rome foisted upon us except that the puppets they show on TV are of course not nearly as eloquent as Cicero.
I'm don't think we should pass up such a splendid opportunity for young people to learn about the Roman Empire than from the Fascists who ran it and profitted from (instead of the people who endured it).
There are people on welfare who fully know well that they are being deprived of having children by an economic system designed to cause abject poverty. They make use of what they've got and procreate anyway. Other people ekeing out a living with five jobs per couple also have children, in spite of the supposedly sterilizing effects of low income. As far as "doing it on your tax dollar" is concerned, there is no such thing as "your tax dollar". They reach into your pocket and whatever they take is theirs. In fact you should be glad they're still spending an ever decreasing small fraction of it on the people they have seen out into the streets although not out of humanitarian considerations. They put welfare systems into place to keep the raped, plundered and robbed from burning down their houses.
As far as the "Nanny State" is concerned, I agree with you wholeheartedly that people have to take responsibility for their own action. However one thing that has been bred out of them completely from early schooling to adult working life is to take action itself. That we desperately need to work on.
Company policy may well see you both into civil and criminal court for following it. These so-called policies do not relieve you of the responsibility for your own conduct. Of course the chances are slim you will not be sued for stealing other people's time with plodding your way through a script, you can not expect to be treated better than an obnoxious voice response system if you act like one:
If I tell you to please stop feeding me the script because the answer is NO then treat me like a human being just cancel the account and say something like, "Sorry for the script but they're making me do this. I just cancelled your account though" and I'll respond with "Never mind the script, I know they make you do that. Thank you and have a nice day".
Don't take it personal but one thing is for sure: I will gleefully shit into your masters' faces, but above all: DON'T BE A PEON.
Often, in exchange for letting the vendor shortchange his own company or organization, the employee gets kickbacks. Often, too, fraudsters establish shell or shadow vendors--dummy companies with puppet or fictional CEOs--and use these to bilk the home team.
The only way put a to stop that would be to pay serious amounts of money instead of mere salaries. Oh okay, so that doesn't go well with the bottom line well gee I suppose then that "problem" is here to stay. The main Errorthink in that article when looked at from the crimethinker's perspective: Employees don't own their company and the company is not their home team.
I'm sorry but yes you can actually buy serfs. They'll hate you plenty and they'll drag their feet but you own them because you can starve their kids but after a certain point you have to hire people with brains and if you think you don't have to pay them top dollar and can treat those people like serfs... you will just have to suffer the pain and agony that brings your organization.
One golden rule: Treat your house servants fairly and courteously or they will spit into your coffee, scrub the toilet with your tooth brush and pee into the boullion. Same thing goes for your personal cook and doctor. Don't upset your butler or other close personal staff too much or too often or they will quit.
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By DARLENE SUPERVILLE, Associated Press Writer Wed Jul 5, 3:11 AM ET
WASHINGTON - When "say," "they" and "weigh" rhyme, but "bomb," "comb" and "tomb" don't, wuudn't it maek mor sens to spel wurdz the wae thae sound?
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You bet I can say "knee jerk" as I see a lot of knees jerking on Slashdot to all kinds of issues when people should be thinking with their minds and not their legs.
So looking at this slashdot story, most of the people are focussing here on some sort of rape issue which it really doesn't appear to be and IGNORING the more important issue that is going to affect them on a personal level:
The Aussie govt is getting set to regulate even more to what kinds of information Australians have access to.
You know, when they put some increase in censorship / surveillance issue out to the public they always tag that issue with some sort of child protection angle or evil sexual conduct between adults issue etc.
While we're on the subject, I don't know what "The Law" (uh! on your knees!) is down under but in the US a kid they railroaded from high school straight into the military at the age of 18 is not old enough to drink or have sex, but he sure is old enough to die.
I don't "hate" the UN, the EU, a hundred+ entities claiming ownership to the geographic territories claiming to "represent" the
people living there (and in most cases more or less confined there). It's just that I have little use for these people, the
Henry Kissingers, Battenbergs and the hundreds of thousands of morons that make it happen. You need to work on that part of
your map.
Look JKrise, I don't want to come on as condescending but please don't bore us with rethoric like
"Greedy governments can be voted out of power". Oh and as far as "social responsibility" is concerned,
oh boy you need to come over here, your beloved Eurosocialists are systematically killing income and
standard of living here with cheap (1 EUR / h) Workfare people who may soon also be rented
out to european industry to work for their dole.
You need an update badly because all you're doing right now is relaying packets of disinformation.
Instead of diverting the discussion down the usual boring path, why don't you look at
the more important facts:
1. That 1.35 billion $$$ "fine" will be paid by people buying Microsoft Products.
2. It goes into the coffers of the EU, yet another level of leeches that are taking away
even more money from people who already have to contend with their greedy national
"governments"
I wonder how much care and food you are willing to give someone who doesn't look like
he's going to pull through after say a couple of weeks with maybe a handful of food a day?
A couple of days just as spring is about to break with no food at all and sucking on snow?
I'm not saying we're not social animals, why even rats will care for a sick or injured
individual, making them comfortable and bringing them food - but just like
with them so with us there are limits to that kind of altruism. You can be sure that
a group of Mongolian nomads with a tight calory budget would have left that guy behind.
Not without second thought and not because life is cheap and worthless (that's a modern
notion) but out of pure necessity because it doesn't make sense to pull someone along
who isn't going to pull through. They would probably have taken a large stone and hit
him hard on the head with it and then mourned and then moved on.
1.5 years of 2.51 mln dollars a day would be somewhere around 1.35 bln dollars. Before all the
Microsoft hating Microsoft users that actually depend on their products (your stupid choice)
get all excited all it means is that everything from their Desktop OS to their smallbusiness
database offering, including support, training, certification and "professional" services
costs EUR 50 - EUR 300 more / item. That money then goes straight to the glorious EU your
Ubergovernment in Brussels and Strasbourg that is also living off of your back right alongside
your respective national government leeches.
For this to be useful in a production environment (out in the wild), this "damage control system" which is
would have to do that kind of work within hours max keeping in mind above all the dangers of predation, overheating,
undercooling or plain running out of fuel. Humans don't carry energy reserves for 19 years and what's
a hungry predator to do when it stumbles upon a fresh ripe meat vegetable?
... be the first human to shake their hands or rather their safety pins :-)
Next time consider that there are many aspects to an issue you're not told about by the mainstream media,
then you avoid the situation of being fingered as a naive repeater of disinformation packets.
I would still be interested to hear if you have anything to say about the emission trade but maybe that
will have to wait until you're up to speed on the subject.
Since with your last post you divert the attention away from the subject, does that mean you're stumped and have nothing more to add?
Maybe I'm giving you a little too much credit here but all I can see is you came up with an excuse to tag this thread with yet another
keyword.
I don't believe in science to the point that it really reflects more of nature than what our puny imagination and little minds are capable of working with. Are you saying that our imagination is just as good as science at predicting the effect of CO2? Qualifies as dont' believe in science in my book.
:-) i.e. releasing carbon into the atmosphere. You have
It seems to me you're new to the concept. I am saying that the model of nature we we call science is limited by our imagination. It takes a lot of imagination to twist it so I don't believe in science.
State strawman. Repeat until believed. You dismiss all peer review while providing no evidence that any is so influenced.
Just because you can find a number of scientist willing to cross-certify does not necessarily mean their theories add extra value to the model.
Until recently in order to get recognition and funding in physics, one had to operate within the string theory framework which has been
found to have serious flaws explaining what we perceive as the universe. I'm not saying that peer review has no merit but it also is no
litmus test whether a given theory will allow us to expand our model. Unwittingly however you have pointed out one of the main problems
in modern science that really has its root in the fact that humans are involved in the process: "Repeat until believed". No matter how
sophisticated we consider ourselves, we're gullible creatures and it takes only so much repetition in the various journals, or on "side matters"
such as funding criteria to create "true believers". As far as influence is concerned, very few scientists within the acclaimed circle of
mutual peer review in climate research of Kyoto fame work out of their garages with no funding.
And that leads us back to the conspiracy aspect which you are constantly trying to point out here. I see no conspiracy here but I can see
the power and economic clout from being able to sell people the very right to fart
still not have had anything to say about the planned trade in carbon emission rights.
I believe in science as a best-effort MODEL to TRY to explain the world we live in to a CERTAIN DEGREE.
I don't believe in science to the point that it really reflects more of nature than what our puny imagination
and little minds are capable of working with.
I don't believe in models clearly built to serve socio-economic interests. I don't believe in peer review
that is funded by the same financiers and pointing out that some science is funded so why don't you comment
on making CO2-Emissions a tradeable commodity? The Kyoto crowd is not exactly a conspiracy, they are
acting out their drama in public and the papers are out there for any and all who care to read.
Just because crooks are reviewing crooks doesn't make the European carbon hype any truer. Check out
the politics and economic interests behind the carbon issue and you will find European capital groups all excited
about building a Carbon Stock Excahnge where you can trade the "right" to release carbon in the
atmosphere and with everybody having to buy into this from industry to agriculture.
Tell you what, I will gleefully ignore all of your peer reviewed papers when Deutsche and Dresdner Bank
are doing the funding.
You're right about one thing, though. Corrupt scientists could find their asses in a labor camp.
I don't own a PSP nor am I going to get one but any day Sony and anyone associated with Sony gets
burned is a good day. All the same: Kudos and honest appreciation to the people that hacked the
firmware.
I hope this latest fiasco should be cause for people to pull out of Sony and make them drop out of
the console market altogether. And doesn't it suck to be one of the software vendors that actually
invested in the PSP2... Hope you're reading this, because this is going to cost you dearly and
I hope you don't even break even.
First I'm sure they will know what is right and that doesn't include using swear words.
Uncertainty is the last thing their case needs. IANAL but any Lawyer can tell you that.
Childishness will be the last thing on their mind. Remember this is Puritan America 2006.
Kind of what would you do if you were in their shoes?
You sure wouldn't try to hide any silly messages, would you? I sure as hell wouldn't!
Our courts are not known for their humour (but for being laughed at).
Understanding that will keep you out of trouble. Or not. Depends on the cops, really.
Jesus Christ, people use your brains! Taunting authority will get you nowhere at all: FAST!
Under no circumstances would they want to do that! Send a secret message to the judge!
Don't ever think of trying that yourself btw. The judge will certainly be pissed off!
Good grief, they could kiss their asses goodbye if they even thought of it!
Especially in America you can't get away with this.
Problem: Virus / Rootkits are now so good there's no way we can detect them anymore! Reaction: Somebody has to do something about this! We need to be able to make sure something like that doesn't get installed. Solution: Trusted Computing / "Palladium" / "Fritz Chip" -- what they wanted all along. It would surprise me not one bit if the hypervisor root kit was built for people who had exactly this kind of discussion in mind.
In order for WGA to work the authorization data (Product Key, WPA Signature etc.) must be kept confidential.
One way to cause major problems for WGA would be to automatically make this information available to the
net at first by thousands to hundredthousands of users, for example by a popular service many use and which
also transfers the authorization data to nodes who don't have it.
Another (illegal) way to do it would be to write a virus that automatically publishes that information into
newsgroups etc.
The internet really teaches an interesting lesson both to the control freak and the ones he wishes to control.
Disobedience spreads a lot faster on the internet than in meat space and aren't they afraid of that.
I would rather be rid of scum charging me with a phone call.
I don't agree. There is at least one good reason to teach latin. First of all to make sure that once we're done with them nobody will ever be interested again in the subject and so we can give them a dose of Cicero, the roman slumlord who had "National Security Risks" strangled in prison without due process and trial and declared martial law. Yes Cicero was a dirty slumlord and his income came from a couple of dozen hazardous, unhealthy tenements throughout the city, multistoried buildings made of wood that housed hundreds of people and their body wastes and more often than not went up in flames trapping the working poor inside. His writings are full of abuse and hatred for Julius Cesar who he particularily hated for the many improvements he brought about for Rome's poor, such as the forgiving of debt incurred by (among other) Ciceros abhorrent rent, but also other laws that also affected Cicero's bottom line such as forcing him to employ a certain percentage of free men instead of slaves to work on the freshly privatized formerly public agricultural fiels outside of Rome which Cicero happened to "own". Against this backdrop, the piece of shit of a "Hitlerland Security State" that is imposed on us is a high tech version of old Rome foisted upon us except that the puppets they show on TV are of course not nearly as eloquent as Cicero.
I'm don't think we should pass up such a splendid opportunity for young people to learn about the Roman Empire than from the Fascists who ran it and profitted from (instead of the people who endured it).
There are people on welfare who fully know well that they are being deprived
of having children by an economic system designed to cause abject poverty.
They make use of what they've got and procreate anyway. Other people ekeing out
a living with five jobs per couple also have children, in spite of the supposedly sterilizing effects of low income. As far as "doing it on your tax dollar" is
concerned, there is no such thing as "your tax dollar". They reach into your pocket
and whatever they take is theirs. In fact you should be glad they're still spending
an ever decreasing small fraction of it on the people they have seen out into the
streets although not out of humanitarian considerations. They put welfare systems
into place to keep the raped, plundered and robbed from burning down their houses.
As far as the "Nanny State" is concerned, I agree with you wholeheartedly that people
have to take responsibility for their own action. However one thing that has been
bred out of them completely from early schooling to adult working life is to take
action itself. That we desperately need to work on.
Company policy may well see you both into civil and criminal court for following it. These so-called policies
do not relieve you of the responsibility for your own conduct. Of course the chances are slim you will not be
sued for stealing other people's time with plodding your way through a script, you can not expect to be
treated better than an obnoxious voice response system if you act like one:
If I tell you to please stop feeding me the script because the answer is NO then treat me like a human being
just cancel the account and say something like, "Sorry for the script but they're making me do this. I just cancelled your
account though" and I'll respond with "Never mind the script, I know they make you do that. Thank you and have a
nice day".
Don't take it personal but one thing is for sure: I will gleefully shit into your masters' faces, but above
all: DON'T BE A PEON.
"The ideal outcome for us is when this technology becomes instrumental in saving lives."
But we'll settle for tracking your every move.
I don't know if you're onto something here but let me tell you one thing: most people's eyes are Eyes Wide Shut.
From the article itself:
Often, in exchange for letting the vendor shortchange his own company or organization, the employee gets kickbacks. Often, too, fraudsters establish shell or shadow vendors--dummy companies with puppet or fictional CEOs--and use these to bilk the home team.
The only way put a to stop that would be to pay serious amounts of money instead of mere salaries. Oh okay, so that doesn't go well
with the bottom line well gee I suppose then that "problem" is here to stay. The main Errorthink in that article when looked at
from the crimethinker's perspective: Employees don't own their company and the company is not their home team.
I'm sorry but yes you can actually buy serfs. They'll hate you plenty and they'll drag their feet but you own them because you can
starve their kids but after a certain point you have to hire people with brains and if you think you don't have to pay them top
dollar and can treat those people like serfs... you will just have to suffer the pain and agony that brings your organization.
One golden rule: Treat your house servants fairly and courteously or they will spit into your coffee, scrub the toilet with your tooth
brush and pee into the boullion. Same thing goes for your personal cook and doctor. Don't upset your butler or other close personal
staff too much or too often or they will quit.