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Top off Your Parking Meter with a Cell Call
dstone writes "Vancouver, Canada has just become the first major city in North America to allow motorists to feed their parking meters with their cell phone. Drivers call a number on each meter, the system recognizes them by Caller ID, they enter how many minutes they want, and that's it. The system sends them a reminder text message before their time is up and they can extend their time remotely. The catch? The company contracted to provide the service, Verrus, makes their money through a 30-cent 'convenience fee.' Less pockets full of change, less parking tickets, seems like a step forward."
So do you trade parking meter stickers with Lexus guy then?
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I'm not way off-track one of the purposes of a parking meter is the annoyance feature. Keeps a set of rich guys from pumping quarters in it all day long without any negative consequences for them.
This tech enables that sort of behavior.
And then the poor slobs get to walk a half a mile just to get to the courthouse.....
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There aren't a lot of convenience fees that I wholeheartedly support, but 30 cents to not have to run out to my parking meter sounds like a winner.
Vancouver is Babylon - the city of greed and excess. I think they have something there.
Who to call when the meter won't accept ? THAT IS WHAT i WANT TO KNOW.
I saw this whilst travelling over 2 years ago.... I think it was in NZ
So does this mean that every city in Canada will be able to use a different service provider?
While it would be feasible to maintain an account with several providers in different cities, it seems like a government-sponsered portal would make more sense than required accounts to be created directly on the company site. Maybe this won't be an issue since most of one's parking would be in one city; just a thought.
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I remember the first time (too many years back, now) that I experienced Convenience while I was in line at a McDonalds grabbing a burger on my way someplace. I told the cashier I wanted a Diet Coke as my combo drink. She handed me the now-expected empty cup and told me that I would be getting the drink from the "Convenience Center" across the store.
"Convenient for who?" I asked. And she told me, unblinkingly, that it had in fact really made their job a lot easier.
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Granted, there are some instances when this would be nice, but I think most people would use it because they are just plan lazy. Convenience, less exercise, and more food has made this nation very plump.
Also, why would a city want to risk losing that much revenue from all those tickets?
I thought repeat metering (constantly plugging the meter) was prohibited?
One of the major reasons we have meters in the city I live in (TacosCornhole, ND) was to promote high turnover parking in the urban areas - to make it more convenent for shoppers and the like.
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Sounds like a good idea on the surface, but how many transactions do you need to rack up for this system to pay for itself?
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In Africa, they're using cellphones for personal banking, which is a pretty good way to move money without the hassle of checks an credit cards. I'm not sure I like this 30 cent fee, given that most parking isn't all that expensive.
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I would rather be rid of scum charging me with a phone call.
Why the scare quotes around convenience fees? Is the submitter implying that the cell phone company should graciously provide this service for free? Or perhaps the fee isn't really a fee?
Either way, editorializing in the summary is silly.
I think it's great because lot's of people pay for longer parking at higher rate because they cant have more than 2 hours in a park meter.
I know i would like it to only have to use my cellphone siting on my ass somewhere and just feed my meter.
This scheme seems like a bullshit technological antisolution that would only make the current street parking situation worse,
1) It bills to your credit card
2) I don't have a credit card
3) I don't like The Man tracking my activities, right down to where and when I park
Just a thought.
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We in the old world have been having this system for about 2 years now.
Without convenience fee.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
seeing as how tickets have become a major source of NYC's revenue, under billionaire Bloomberg's helm. Funny how NYC local politics are still just that -- local politics, even though we are bigger in size and tax revenue than many of the world's nations.
the city has become ridiculously dependent on parking tickets - at a $110 a pop, with $20 increases every three weeks for late payments, im suprised meter maids aren't murdered in the street by rioting mobs!
some truly amazing things have been happening, like people running out to meters w. a minute to spare to see the meter maid w. the ticket prepared already, just waiting for clock to chime! amazing.
all in all, brilliantly simple. whether or not this system gets adopted i guess depends on what a city's objectives are w. regard to parking meters. If, as in the case of NYC, they are largely traps for motorists, then I don't see this getting much use.
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I travel there on business from time to time, folks that I work with there have been doing something like this using SMS for a while now.
It is good to see the US catching up.
I see two points to parking meters:
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1. To stop somebody from taking up the space for every, and allow other people to park there
2. To generate revenue for the town
Effectiveness of meters is debatable, but doesn't this work against both points? It's not like the town no longer has to hire parking enforcement --- they just have to share some of the revenue!
I'd be curious to see the financial details after this gets going
I personally don't have a car, but I've heard people complaint about not having enough change. It's a pain in the arse. Why they haven't implemented a credit card system? Beats me! Imagine the scenario: 1. Park your car. 2. Swipe your card. 3. Enter a pin code (make it hard to guess) 4. Go do your thing, forget about the meter. 5. Come back to meter and enter code from step 3. 6. Get reciept printed out of meter. 7. Drive away without a parking ticket. Unless you are a moron and entered "9999" as your code, this could work.
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Call me (call me) on the line
Call me, call me add another dime
Call me (call me) oh, fudge!
Help prevent the boot or ticket stub
Call me
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Cover me with smudge
Rolled into by shopping carts
I've really had enough
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I cut an paste a little too quickly in my last post!
Maybe if you didn't spend so much time posting knee-jerk comments on slashdot, you could study a little geography and learn the difference between "Canada" and "The United States of America".
Unless you really DO think Canada acts at being the world's policeman. If so, that's quite peculiar.
Wellington, NZ implemented this a while back. I knew one of the IT guys involved. They were happy to get paid for doing the work, but they were sure it wouldn't be a success. After all, who would pay extra for this? Much to his surprise, it's been very successful.
Verrus operate a similar system at the council car parks in York, England. It's great - finding the change was always a pain!
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They get the number of your cell phone from caller ID and store your vehicle registration plate and credit card details against it the first time you call. The next time you call you just tell it how many hours you want and enter the 4 digit code for the car park you are using. For an extra 10p you can get a reminder SMS. You are also free to call again and extend the parking.
If you don't have your cell phone with you then you can use any phone, and just tap in your cell number and the PIN number you set the first time you called. You also use that PIN if you want to change credit card or vehicle registration numbers.
The wardens have machines that have details of the electronically issued tickets on them, so they don't clamp you
This is Canada we're talking about. We're the bully's b!tch, not the bully.
We learned it from you!
And yes, we do implement the mobile telephone technology far more slowly than most European and Asian countries - far faster than I really think we should, but hey, I'm a dinosaur from the age of the Amiga.
.. paranoid crackpot leftover from the days of Amiga.
I do believe this will completely change the parking scene in Vancouver. Anyone who has been downtown and tried to park there knows it is impossible. This means that now, for sure, anyone who gets there first will be there all day. Previously spaces opened up due to people running out of change and leaving or people getting towed. This would also be a good method of topping up at the various Impark parking lots in Calgary and Edmonton. I almost always underestimate the time I need, I think everyone does.
Of course, Impark won't do this since it makes more money giving tickets than selling parking space. They are vultures! The ticket is already written up by the time you have 1-minute left, just in case.
The article explains this is the first major city in North America to do this. Not to mention this is in CANADA. I think you have Canada confused with the United States with your comment.
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If you think imaginary property and real property are the same, when does your house become public domain?
The Man probably doesn't care about temporary parking vs. garage parking. If anything, the Man will encourage more use of temporary (aka parking meter) parking. Meters, when in use, make more money than parking garages. If the Man can keep the metered spaces full, it means more money for governmental projects.
Emptying parking meters is a pretty albor intenstive task, and in big cities they must hold a lot of cash. When i lived in Edinburgh it cost me about $18/day to park in front of my apartment and that was several times less than parking in the city center.
I'd imagine parking meters are prime targets for drug users and petty theives and i've seen quite a lot of vandalized ones.
However, they wrap this up as being convenient for the end user (which it is too) and have the user pay the convenience fee.
Since the citizenery of the US doesn't like to pay adequate taxes for the services they demand, US cities are forced to get their revenue from really irrating sources like parking tickets. Cities like San Francisco don't actually want you put money in the meter since that deprives them of the oppurtunity for "revenue enchancement." This is why they make it diffcult to use the meter through tactics like quarters only and not fixing broken meters.
Montreal has been doing this for 2 years now.
While I'm far from an anti-tech alarmist... it seems like another handing over of your personal information to the government, which ultimately ends up in the hands of private companies... all in the name of "convenience."
While Canadian law is much different than US law... it's somewhat alarming that EZ-Pass http://www.ezpass.com/ information is being used against people in court.
It's also going to be funny receiving a text that says: "Your car has been towed! $250 has been removed from your account. Your car has been towed to your home. Would you like us to call a taxi for you?"
You may want to brush up on your geography - Vancouver is in Canada, the country known for being the world's peacekeeper (peacekeeping forces being the brainchild of PM Pearson). It will also be hosting the next winter olympics.
You may be thinking of Vancouver, WA, located in the USA. S'ok, though.
And as for late payment charges -- you shouldn't even include those, moron who don't pay or file a dispute on time have no one to blame but themselves.
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I have a better idea.
Fuck parking meters.
The government nickels and dimes everybody enough as it is.
Blow them up with pipe bombs.
Less Pocket change... 1 step forward.
Convience charge... 2 steps back.
Let's all play fuck the consumer.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?
Maybe if you didn't spend so much time playing at being the world's policeman you wouldn't have to play catch up so often.
Hmmm.... national stock market down more than 25% since May, budget deficit 10% that of your GDP, red ink @ 9% of your economy?
I give it a year, 18 months tops, before your country is begging the "world's policeman" for monetary support.
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This would be especially nice for students at the University here... where the Tues/Thurs classes are usually about an hour and a half long, but the parking meters only let you put in a maximum of 1 hour's worth of coins. And summer session classes can be even longer.
Would much rather send a text message on my cellphone from in class, and pay a 30 cent convenience charge than have a ticket.
Then again, I'm sure the University would never adopt these meters... I think they limit the time on purpose so they can rake in more money from tickets.
Woohoo - North America is proving to lead the high-tech way again. Give it another 5 years and we may be able to buy a Coke at a vending machine and pay by cell phone. Follow us Europe, we are right behind you... ;)
Oh well, what the hell...
Coral Gables, Fl has been doing this for about a year already. Very convienent when I go bar-hopping. Oh, wait. This /. I mean war-driving and mooching wi-fi....yeah right.
Pleease don't tell me they plan on using Caller ID as a secure method of verification. Funny enough, TFA doesn't mention caller id at all, but I'd hope that something slightly more secure is actually implemented.
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What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?
Vancouver, Canada, does not understand the purpose of Parking Meters.
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1) Find a meter
2) Replace number on meter (via sticker) with your own
3) Wait for Calls
4) ???
5) Profit!
Yes, fuck the parking meters, but don't blow them up. Why shouldn't they tax the lazy? I mean they tax the stupid with lottery tickets and the self indulgent with cigarettes.
No one is forcing you to park at the meters. Blowing them up is way out of line when you can park a few blocks away and walk for free... or better still not drive a car at all. Maybe the extra exercise will help you work through your "anger issues" or at least give you time and oxygen to better understand your priorities.
How much of a revolutionary would Bobby Sands have been if he had spent his days rotting in the hole for blowing up parking meters? I am not an advocate of any violence, but would anyone have voted him into Parliament?
You have to pick the right battles and parking meters are not worth it. In fact if you are stupid enough to do something like blowing up a parking meter you deserve what's coming to you. You are not safe for the gene pool.
This makes me kind of wish for a parking meter with a swipe-slot for an ATM/debit card, much like almost every gas pump has now. I'd rather feed the meter before I walk away from it, and like many, I usually don't have much change on me anymore.
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I've never been quite sure why cities insist on making things more annoying than they have to be. Parking meters/tickets always seemed like pure annoyance - and in some places, even bad for the city. I'd think that many smaller U.S. cities (New Haven, for example) have more problems with encouraging people to visit the downtown than with parking. Putting in meters actively encourages businesses to move away - eg. one art supply store at the corner of the green specifically moved one town over so their customers wouldn't have to deal with metered street parking. But, I'm sure the city would never consider getting rid of meters - too much opportunity to give parking tickets! It just seems like the government has decided it's purpose is to make it's citizens' lives more annoying, not easier.
Using a pre-paid card (like the New York City metro-card) instead?
or just outfit card readers with good ol' credit card readers?
Using your cell phone to call in to a third party who then takes car of validating the call and charging you and making sure the meter is happy just sounds a bit complicated, given there are already things in place to provide cash-less payment options. Hell, my college vending machine accepted credit cards...
If you set a 2-hr time limit, and your meters are on for 12 hours, you could easily run up $1.50 in revenue or more per day per meter. In some areas, you're talking about $2/day per meter -- overlap time gets billed to two people
The system itself would be pretty cheap, and is very scalable -- adding new towns would be very simple. I'd also imagine that the municipality is bearing most of the cost of installing new meter equipment as necessary -- after all, they are saving money on enforcement. Who knows if they are also paying the company providing the service.
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in vienna and some other cities in austria, they introduced a similar service in 2003 based on sms. it's very useful and sends reminder sms 10 minutes before a needed extension.
german site (google translation)
We've had something similar in Croatia for, uhm, at least 6-7 years now. But we don't have to call a number - we just send an SMS with the car's licence plate number, and that's it. Time is bought by the hour (as with parking meters), though, so if you need three hours of parking, you send three SMS's. This pay-by-the-minute thing seems appealing, I wish we had something like that.
The people who patrol the parking lot and write tickets, carry a nifty wireless thing and can check any car instantly. It even alarms them the minute the period ends, though they usually give a 5-minute grace period.
I don't know the exact amount of the convenience fee, but I think it's less than what's mentioned in TFA. The money is deducted straight from your cell phone (prepaid is valid). Obviously, you can pay anyone's parking fee - I usually tell my father to pay when I'm in the city by car, because the money on his prepaid account just keeps on accumulating and there's not much other use for it.
In The Netherlands, you call and enter the code when you park, then when you leave, you call again. You only pay for the time you actually parked. If you forget to unregister your car, you get unregistered automatically at midnight.
Of course there is a fee for each call. There is also a small yearly subscription fee for this service (in addition to the per call fee).
The alternative is to buy a ticket from a parking machine in advance, usually overestimating the amount of time you need.
Compared to the actual costs of parking downtown in the major cities, the fees are insignificant. And you don't waste money on buying parking time in advance and then not using all of it.
$110 is the Midtown Manhattan fee. They vary by neighbourhood, the $65 ticket you got was probably in Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx.
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PARKING METERS EAT CELLPHONES NOW?!?! IS THERE ANYTHING TECHNOLOGY CANT DO?!?
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There aren't a lot of elegant technological implementations these days, but this seems extremely simple. If they were to require a credit card entry every time you called, this technology would have been a waste of both the consumer's and the invetor's time.
On the other hand, there is a huge problem with this (at least in the US). The technology to spoof caller id is widespread (and AFAIK - IANAL - caller id spoofing is legal in the US). If they are depending on the same caller id implementation we here in the US have, I can foresee fraudulent caller id spoofing to offload the fess to innocent phone-owners.
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i'm paying 30 cents for a conveince fee i'll just walk thx
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Richmond, VA provides this service on many meters. I've never used it, but I couldn't help but notice 'em last time I was walking around downtown.
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Auckland City in New Zealand (!!) has been doing this for a fair while now. Given that I'll be amazed if it's not already all over the world. Heck, when I was in France I was able to hire a bicycle with an SMS.
That's not to say it's uninteresting or not useful (rather the opposite); rather it's just old news.
Now they will know that you have change.
I hope they don't take Visa for that 30 cents
..This system has been working in Dublin, Ireland for a year or so now.
What if I spoof my caller ID, which is relatively easy to do? Will I be able to charge all my parking fees to my coworker's/neighbor's/friend's/stranger's phone bill? Unless they have cameras at each parking meter recording the license plate numbers of cars parked there, how will they track me down before the victim receives their cell phone bill for the month?
Also, can I do a "chargeback"? What if I charge up my phone bill with parking fees, and dispute the charges at the end of the month?
Thats a pretty stupid way to base payment on your caller id, as, with any PBX system (VOIP and and the lot) you can fake your caller ID. Cingular VM is the same way, if the person has there VM set to no password prompt (which was the default setting for my VM from Cingular a while back till i changed it.).
How would this work in a city like Portland where feeding a meter more than once is illegal?
As a Vancouver resident, I'd rather a system like Hong Kong, the Octopus Card. Works for transit, parking meters, even buying things in most stores. One card, money everywhere, very convinient. I don't see this as a major step forward.
West Village, Hudson Street across from Jane. Depends on the violation. Anywhere in Manhattan below 96 St has the higher rates, but the difference is not that large.
Anyhoo, here's a schedule of fines for NYC parking violations.
Of note, the "meter-feeding" violation is $65.
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Here's the link, oops.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
So does that mean that hacking a parking meter will net you a few years on a Georgia chain gang (or a SCSI Daisy Chain gang?) with Dragline, Coco, and Babalugats?
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
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At first I thought, "Whats the point?"... Replacing change with cell-phone calls doesn't make sense. But the idea of sending an expiration notice when time runs out, and being able to pay while being away from the meter by cell phone, is brilliant. A system like this would probably save me money even with the 30cent fee, because I always overpay parking meters to give me a little extra leeway in case I am running late.
It's not (normally) that someone is too lazy to get up and walk over to the soda fountain to refill their own drink!
The reason a lot of customers come in and order a larger drink, despite "free refills" is because they want to take a decent amount of soda with them when they leave. If you only order a small drink, sure - you can refill it as much as you like while you're in the restaurant... but many people want to take the cup with them in the car and drink some of it after they get back to work or whatever.
Sweet!
Now one just has to find a phone no. of someone who has used the service, and make a spoofed-caller-ID call using that phone no. to add time to any meter they want!
Free parking, anyone?
We have had TXT-a-Park for a while here in NZ - http://www.vodafone.co.nz/promos/txt-a-park/txt_a_ park.jsp?item=txt_a_park
They charge a 50c transaction fee which is pretty steep, especially when you are only paying $3.50 for the actual parking. Having the system txt you when your parking is almost up and email receipts is a great idea which I wish they would implement here.
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Taco bell charges $1.50 "convenience fee" to use your credit card, even if you just purchase a 99 cent taco. 30 cents is cheap.
http://www.city.saskatoon.sk.ca/org/municipal_engi neering/parking_services/index.asp
I find it foolish to commence financial operations using a system with the possibility of semi-legal cheating.
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Zagreb, Croatia has got SMS parking from september 2001. and in 2002. system was installed in most of the cities in Croatia
Therefore, that is not-so-new news for us.
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Fewer pockets. Fewer tickets.
Not "less".
Did you go to school?
Seeing as how parking tickets are a major revenue source for many cities, I don't know how widespread this will be in the US.
It's a good question. Recently, Seattle City Council tried to sneak in evening parking rates for automatic pay meters for parking and was pounced upon by most citizens.
Still, two years is an awfully long time. I wonder how he keeps the battery from going dead.
Maybe it's got one of those solar cell rooftop chargers? You'd think they'd tow him given how much grime must cover the car by now, though.
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In many US cities, it is illegal to re-fill a parking meter. That would seem to limit the appeal of this feature.
You people are about 6+ years behind. :)
Parking via SMS is like yesterdays news here in Estonia.
You can also pay for cab, transfer funds, pay food etc via SMS.
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Sorry guys but we have been using a similar system here in Budapest for two years. Maybe if you didn't spend so much time playing at being the world's policeman you wouldn't have to play catch up so often.
Since when is Canada the world's policemen?
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The city of saskatoon(200,000 pop) rolled out a system like this in january, but it doesn't have the "convenience fee", You are simply billed once a month for the time you used rounded up to the nearest 20cents for each transaction. Works great, really convienient, and yes, it does tell the meter maid how long you've been parked there, but it will expire your session at the end of the meter time any way. the system is http://new-parking.com/
Welcome to the 21st Century, America. We've had this in New Zealand for at least the last three years.
This seems kind of moot, because it doesn't necessarily solve the problem. I've gotten a couple tickets for overtime parking -- feeding the meter after the time limit. Basically, if a meter says it's only a two hour meter, you have to actually move your car in two hours. Now if a company could do that for you via SMS, that'd be really terrifying.
Its not really "convenient" to pay them for all the stupid-ass things they have fees for. Maybe this one makes more sense, but they can take their damn cell phone and shove it up you-know-where* for all the BS they currently charge you for. It's one reason I don't have a cell.
* And if you don't know where, I'll find you some detailed anatomical diagrams on wikipedia.
Not true. White Rock (another city near Vancouver) removed all their parking meters last year in exchange for a centralized system that you can phone and make your payment over the phone.
To Mr RichBastard, paying a fine is no deterrent. Mr RichBastard having to wait an hour or two for the guys with the wheel clamp keys is gonna re-think his parking strategy.
To Mr RichBastard buying an angle grinder and keeping it in the trunk is no big deal, for the rest of us we have to rely on Angle-Grinder-Man to save the day.
BTW, the system in Vancouver is designed to refund any unused balance when you finish parking which is a major bonus. Nothing sucks more than only wanting 10 minutes of parking but having nothing but a toonie in your pocket.
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Edinburgh,Scotland has had this for over a year now (as have other places in the UK), welcome to 2005 America!
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I realize that I'm Johnny-come-lately, but IIRC putting more quarters in a meter that is not expired, and whos time limit you haven't exceeded is OK. But if it has expired, or you have stayed longer than the limit you are guilty and are supposed to turn yourself in or somesuch.
t ml, where puting coins into expired meters is judged to be obstructing police enforcement. /rolleyes
That's why you get cases like http://www.cincypost.com/news/1998/meters020998.h
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Sydney has had this type of system for at least a year google "mpark"
See, the text message we use requires upwards of 20 characters: identify the town countil (4) (space - 1) vehicle number (7) (space - 1) duration (4) then send it to the service center (5 digit short code). Machines and humans being what they are, any mistake will land you a RM150 fine for a RM0.60 parking fee. Oh, and there's a RM0.20 'convenience fee' too. Personally, I don't use it - I think there are easier (read: single-click) ways to solve this problem.
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What about where they have this on campuses, where you get to a spot, phone the #, and then walk to your class. Instead of running between lectures (about 10 minutes) back to the car and plugging the meter again, you can just make a quick phone call. Not sure when you're done? Phoning back will refund any unused time, so you only get billed what you use.
I'd say it's convienent in summer, not lazy. This goes double in winter when it's -40C.
But I'm sure you'd just say, "don't like frostbite? You must be lazy." Don't confuse ease of use with laziness (much like cheap and thrifty aren't the same).
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"2. Same thing with cigarette tax: Presumably they want to discourage smoking - but if they wanted to do that they could place a huge tax on cigarettes, maybe $50 per pack or something. The trouble with that, is that everyone would quit smoking if they had to pay $50+ a pack. So they make the cigarette tax as high as possible without actually discouraging smoking, to maximize profits."
No, I'm pretty sure they'd just bootleg cigarettes the same way they do in when municipalities take cig taxes above 10$ is some provinces. Remember: once you push things too far, you merely build up illegal activity. The mafia got started bootlegging liquor in the US during prohibition.
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All campus meters are auto-pay via CC from phone caller ID.
If you park there (even an the max 2 hour ones), they'll txt you back when you're just about out of time, so you can plug it with more time. When you're done, it'll refund the difference of your current chunk of time. You pay for exactly what you use, which I think is pretty fair.
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This makes it too easy to keep in compliance with the law (reminders, ability to reload meter remotely) and would reduce the number of summonses issued for expired meters. While I don't have data to prove it, I'm convinced that NYC makes more money from the fines than from the actual meter charges. The fact that the Parking Violations Bureau is part of the NYC Department of Finance and not the Department of Motor Vehicles says something, no? The only sub-$100 parking ticket I've gotten in the past 5 years was for a crooked license plate (yes, you read that right, a crooked license plate!), and that one was $65.
of parking meters was so you can only hog a space for eg 2hrs at a time. now, its just for $ I guess
We've had them in the downtown and broadway area for months now.
1) Cellphone minutes over here are not "free" (as in beer, but do not get me started on THAT! ;-) ) in the US sense -- a normal plan would give you like 120 minutes/month -- but they'd be helpful enough to text you a message that you are 75%/100% close to your limit.
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2) In Canada, the smallest bill is $5; rest are coins, loonies and toonies, rather heavy and unpleasant to haul around in your pocket... And it is like $1 CDN for half an hour of parking...
I guess I should be signing up for this service rather than chattin on
Paul B.
The purpose of parking meters is to enable shoppers to find parking spaces downtown. Without meters, a shopkeeper would find the spaces near his business monopolized during business hours by people who aren't buying from him. It's not uncommon to see signs that read, "2 hour parking only, 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m." regardless of whether you've fed and re-fed the 2-hour meter. The whole point of 2-hour meter maximums is to increase car turnover; otherwise, the meters would have an "all day" rate just like private parking lots do.
If the owners of the parking meters don't cooperate, this cell phone gizmo won't be able to talk to the meters. End of business plan.
Fewer pockets full of change, fewer parking tickets, seems like a step forward.
This is hardly news. Croatia and Lithuania had this years ago, and without the excessive transaction fees.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=parking+sms+vilniu
This has been going on in Croatia for four years now...
this system is already implemented in Holland and Belgium, include big cities like Amsterdam, Antwerp and Rotterdam (http://www.park-line.com/en/default.htm)
Croatia have that "feature" for years! In almost all towns in Croatia you can pay your parking with cell phone.
Vlatko Kosturjak - Kost
...many places you can swipe your credit card when you leave your car, and swipe it again when you come back. Very convenient. Alternatively, you can pay with coins.
That's the JOKE in "in soviet russia" jokes. Why is there no manual for them?
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Oh, here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reversal
By omitting the "in the US" part, the reader, who knows the Russian reversal implication (which I would assume every Slashdotter by now does), does that part (just like you did).
BUT YOU DON'T SAY IT!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Belgrade, Serbia, has this sort of parking payment for a number of years. You just enter a licence plate number, send the SMS and receive confirmation SMS txt message with transaction id number. The parking fee is billed on your cell phone bill at the end of the month. No change, no credit cards... The parking controlers are equipped with wireless handhelds that are online with the central system, and are issuing violation tickets on spot. If you dont have cell phone, you can still buy paper parking ticket at the newspaper stand. If you live in high density residential downtown area, you may buy parking in advance (month, two or six months) at deeply discounted (symbolic) rates. Very convenient. Vancouverite in Belgrade
While everyone is whining about how unfair the system is because people will simply park all day, I would be more concerned about theft of service than anything else. Why not get even with the rich "jerks" parking all day and simply bill your parking to them?
I think the greater concern about such a service is the authentication scheme. What about the services and simple technology that allow you to forge your Caller ID? Simply identify someone with the service and you have instant free parking. Now some Caller ID forging services are expensive, but I can think of a TRIVIAL and hugely inexpensive way to achieve the same effect at almost no cost. While tremendously convenient it is grossly inadequate to authenticate via Caller ID alone. I would be willing to wager that scamming, forgery, and stolen services quickly escalate because while previously confined to private parking lots, the service is now city wide with heavy usage.
http://www.abc.net.au/goldcoast/stories/s1340441.h tm
Check out this article on meter maids.
We had this in south west Germany for a few years now. There's no "convenience fee", instead we get even better rates (since we pay per second, not by whatever-the-smallest-coin-is). It is quite nice indeed.
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