As others have pointed out in this thread, the animals we eat are not roaming buffalo, grazing on the land. We cultivate land to grow food that could be used to grow food for human but instead we feed it to animals because we like the taste.
Basically, my argument does lead to a "everybody should eat algae" but I am not arguing that. I'm just saying we should pretend what we are doing is environmentally friendly.
This is why we don't have enough planet for everyone to be a vegetarian.
uhhh... math fail.
very few of the animals you eat are grazing animals. exceedingly few. the amount of land it takes to graze an animal is huge. These cows are many hundreds of pounds, they need many more times that in feed. I would bet that very fiew of you could find anything in your markets that is not from an industrial (even organic industrial) farm. Whole foods doesn't have local farm food.
The animals are eating vegetation (the lucky ones) and are converting that into something you eat. that is a lossy process. the closer to the source (the sun) you are in the food chain, the more efficient.
I don't recall the exact numbers but the theory is along these lines. Sun shines energy, plants collect this energy and some local molecules and arrange this into a food like substance. This food substance now has (lets say) 20% of the energy that was put into making it available. Now we can eat that or we can let cow-creature eat it. Cow-creature converts it into a fabulously juicy steak for me. Negating any processing/picking/butching/carting/etc the sum of cow-creatures meat has approximately (again, lets say) 20% of the energy that it has consumed available to me in that yummy slab of flesh.
That leaves me getting about 4% of the initially available energy (100*.2*.2) whereas I could have gotten 20% had I eaten the damn carrot (or more likely, corn).
Like I say, numbers are off but no matter what numbers you substitute, you are never going to get out even the same amount of energy that went into making your animal.
As to your land argument, not only do you need space for the animals to live but you have to grow X% more food (and use X% more land) to feed them to get the same amount of food you would have needed.
hey, i like meat but it is not environmentally friendly.
i'll second the better browser on 4.5. I updated mine to 4.5 to address an RSA issue (which didn't work) but I like the update. For one, I can now use my 6gb microsd chip. Not much changed just a bit nicer look/feel.
I would think that the system would require widespread adoption in a particular area before it would even start to be useful
Not really. Initially, I would bet it is only extrapolating based on location and speed. I know somewhere like seattle (and I would be surprised if SF is much different) will have i high enough concentration of geeks w/ toys to bring back data on the major routes. If you have 1 data point on the I5 going at 15 MPH, you can guess that traffic sux. Given the volume of the people, a fairly low adoption rate will give data.
More data points will always make the system better, of course.
One of the big advantages to any of these traffic knowledge programs is that they benefit both people tapped in to the program and those not. For example, super tech guy A checks this program and sees that Road N is slammed today. He, or hopefully his software, will plan a new optimum route based on the traffic data. This removes tech guy A from the problematic traffic pattern. Luddite guy B, doesn't know any of this but his traffic pattern is eased b/c the group of people like tech guy A have avoided exacerbating the problem. As a side benefit, you have utilized your road infrastructure more completely. (recent research about limiting paths being more efficient notwithstanding)
At the end of the day this is an economic argument. Grandma is getting an implicitly accepted level of care for that price. If you quit, as another posted mentioned, 1 of two things happens, grandma has no care or they pay more. The choice is up to the society.
One thing I that I didn't see mentioned is that there is another factor in the payment. For better or worse, we have decided that jobs that are personally fulfilling can pay less. Look at teacher, cop, fireman, or social worker. All of these pay like crap. Economically, this must be b/c people still choose to do them for that pay.
"rural tax-consuming" How do you figure that the rural areas consume more taxes?
depending on where you are talking about, that is generally true. I know in NY State, upstate NY bleeds the taxes from NYC. WA state has the same thing, w/ the Seattle taxes bleeding west to the farm populations. efficiencies of density presumably.
OK, I can only hope that he, like many (myself include) was firewalling his wifi from his ethernet network.
I actually have 3 networks. The DSL router has complete open wifi as I believe in free wireless. Mine is cool enough to shape my traffic as higher priority (I don't mind sharing but i *am* the one paying for this). Then a wireless gateway with WPA for my local roaming use. This dmz network has specific holes poked in the backend firewall for certain uses (streaming video/music from the fileserver). Then behind the firewall, i have my fixed/wired machines.
hmmm... i really had no need to post that. I guess I am just trying to avoid work...
the difference would be if your piss poor decisions was as a captain of a ship and we are heading for an iceberg. bitching about your past paychecks would not change the fact that we need to do something to not hit the iceberg
close, but you lost it when you said the international markets refused to buy in. They bought in, and heavily. Basically every bank in the world is in trouble because of this. Maybe not asian banks who largely stayed out of it but they are heavily invested in the dollar still, hence their crash earlier this week.
I struggle w/ this a bit but i think we need the bailout. This isn't simply a case of paying huge bonuses so ceo's can get more money. From the top down, if the banks don't have cash (or easy access to source cash intrabank, what is really drying up, the LIBOR is as high as it has ever been), they cannot lend it. This means businesses cannot get it and investment does not happen. This becomes a contraction and your neighbor loses his job. Which means he can buy less stuff so your grocer loses his job. wash, rinse repeat until you lose your job. Banks are not an optional part of this economy.
Yeah it pisses me off that these bankers created a shitload of 'assets' from thin air and got rich skimming pieces of this imaginary money. There was a lack of a feedback loop, the guys giving out the money had no interest in whether it was paid back, the more they gave out the more they made. Once it was packaged up in so many sexy vehicles, many of these funds had no idea how much asset was actually involved in what they were buying. They may or may not have learned their lessons but there is need for some regulation here.
We have 2 choices, give them the money and hope we can smooth out a crash/depression (by no means certain) or don't and accept the 'correction' (cringely has a great piece last week likening this to a forest fire). The correction would work, it would hurt a lot, but at the end of the day it would work. The world would likely crash for some time. Many jobs lost, many lives lost in most estimations. America would likely lose its last claim to dominance and the balance of power would likely shift east. These things all seem pretty shit to me. I think we need to see whether we can salvage this without going through that.
most white people almost never think about race. For most black people, even (or maybe especially) those in the middle class, race is always on their mind. I know, i get yelled at this everytime i bring it up but if it isn't on the mind of most white people and it is always on the mind of most black people, doesn't that infer that racial discrimination may be more because it is so forefront in the minds of the black community?
as the GP mentioned, marriage was both a legal and a religious concept. The legal/state part is a contract between two people. The religious part is responsible for what ever combining of flesh or omnipotent fantastical friend's intention you may want it to be.
A prenup is part of the state part.
i know, i know... don't feed the trolls...
PS... God implemented divorce if the woman was the guilty party and she would most often be stoned to death and if not left with no assets at all. religions like the one in the parent post always make me wonder why any woman would believe in that religion.
Question is, if they do enough testing to get the bugs out?
If by they you mean Linux, then the answer is yes, if Windows then no. i know i will be modded down for seeming to defend ms but...
90% of the software you run on windows is not written by MS. Most of the windows crashes are not really caused by windows. I run multiple windows machines that very rarely crash (1-2 times a year?) and my purpose built ones _never_ crash (well, does a power outage count?).
If you believe the stats from the windows crash analysis, a very large percentage come down to 3rd party device drivers. That these drivers have the ability to bring down the OS is an issue in itself. Albeit, one that is largely done for performance reasons and something that linux has problems with as well.
I am a happy subscription music user and I agree with basically all the points above. One I would like to add is that i got sick of managing my music. Once my music collection got into the 5 digits it was a real pain to manage it all. I spent a lot of time going through once to tag/name everything correctly (especially the old napster days stuff). Once I had my 'clean' zone, i would have to dmz new albums before I would put them in the real collection. This was just a holder until I could get everything tagged to my specifications. But it did mean that if somebody came over and dumped a hard drive on me, or even a couple of cds I wouldn't get to them for a while until I had time to tag them.
despite all this, I still ran across things that were mistagged or cut off in the middle.
In the end, I decided to just pay somebody 10 bucks a month so I didn't have to deal w/ that anymore. I am making money now, it is worth 10 bucks to have everything and it to just work
One of america's greatest advantages for a long time was the 'brain drain' we had from teh rest of the world. The best and brightest of the world came to the US for schooling and work. Then we got hit by the turrists and became so fucking xenophobic. Now we make everybody coming here feel like a criminal and have made it much harder to come here in teh first place. The other institutions around the world have stepped up and now there are real, viable alternatives to education in america. That is a VERY BAD THING for us. While some people would always come and leave, they would generally take with them a better understanding of who we were. Many people, however, would come and stay. That is a good thing, especially when you attract people who are willing to work, educate and better themselves.
The negative effects of our xenophobia are going to play out for generations. It will only continue longer the longer we keep up this xenophobic policy. I can only hope we turn it around but watching the ignorance around the immigration debate makes me despair of that happening.
on one side I see this as a speech/art issue. The game is clearly a work of art and how can an evolving society ban art per se.
The one thing that keeps nagging my mind though is the next steps. Take this to a VR type situation where you can realistically simulate anything. Should there be anything banned? Is there anything that is so reprehensible that it isn't even allowed in the 'privacy' of your own virtual space? I think you could come up w/ a list of 'scenes' that most people would think should be banned. So where are the lines here?
please site some sources, that view point smacks of fox news spin. Really, we didn't nail clinton to the wall b/c there were too many things to nail him to the wall for? Really? Can you swallow a whole bowling ball too?
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As others have pointed out in this thread, the animals we eat are not roaming buffalo, grazing on the land. We cultivate land to grow food that could be used to grow food for human but instead we feed it to animals because we like the taste.
Basically, my argument does lead to a "everybody should eat algae" but I am not arguing that. I'm just saying we should pretend what we are doing is environmentally friendly.
i liked how martin basically apologized about the 4th book. Sorry, sorry, everything good is coming, i just had to slog through this.
(looked for the link but his page has been updated and i didn't see the old posts)
I have always thought they should do it as a miniseries. or hell, a series, you could probably fill 5-6 seasons easily.
the point is this is a better version of combustion. We get more energy out and leave less crap behind (or in the air)
This is why we don't have enough planet for everyone to be a vegetarian.
uhhh... math fail.
very few of the animals you eat are grazing animals. exceedingly few. the amount of land it takes to graze an animal is huge. These cows are many hundreds of pounds, they need many more times that in feed. I would bet that very fiew of you could find anything in your markets that is not from an industrial (even organic industrial) farm. Whole foods doesn't have local farm food.
The animals are eating vegetation (the lucky ones) and are converting that into something you eat. that is a lossy process. the closer to the source (the sun) you are in the food chain, the more efficient.
I don't recall the exact numbers but the theory is along these lines. Sun shines energy, plants collect this energy and some local molecules and arrange this into a food like substance. This food substance now has (lets say) 20% of the energy that was put into making it available. Now we can eat that or we can let cow-creature eat it. Cow-creature converts it into a fabulously juicy steak for me. Negating any processing/picking/butching/carting/etc the sum of cow-creatures meat has approximately (again, lets say) 20% of the energy that it has consumed available to me in that yummy slab of flesh.
That leaves me getting about 4% of the initially available energy (100*.2*.2) whereas I could have gotten 20% had I eaten the damn carrot (or more likely, corn).
Like I say, numbers are off but no matter what numbers you substitute, you are never going to get out even the same amount of energy that went into making your animal.
As to your land argument, not only do you need space for the animals to live but you have to grow X% more food (and use X% more land) to feed them to get the same amount of food you would have needed.
hey, i like meat but it is not environmentally friendly.
i'll second the better browser on 4.5. I updated mine to 4.5 to address an RSA issue (which didn't work) but I like the update. For one, I can now use my 6gb microsd chip. Not much changed just a bit nicer look/feel.
get the OS for your carrier here:
http://na.blackberry.com/eng/support/downloads/download_sites.jsp
I would think that the system would require widespread adoption in a particular area before it would even start to be useful
Not really. Initially, I would bet it is only extrapolating based on location and speed. I know somewhere like seattle (and I would be surprised if SF is much different) will have i high enough concentration of geeks w/ toys to bring back data on the major routes. If you have 1 data point on the I5 going at 15 MPH, you can guess that traffic sux. Given the volume of the people, a fairly low adoption rate will give data.
More data points will always make the system better, of course.
One of the big advantages to any of these traffic knowledge programs is that they benefit both people tapped in to the program and those not. For example, super tech guy A checks this program and sees that Road N is slammed today. He, or hopefully his software, will plan a new optimum route based on the traffic data. This removes tech guy A from the problematic traffic pattern. Luddite guy B, doesn't know any of this but his traffic pattern is eased b/c the group of people like tech guy A have avoided exacerbating the problem. As a side benefit, you have utilized your road infrastructure more completely. (recent research about limiting paths being more efficient notwithstanding)
At the end of the day this is an economic argument. Grandma is getting an implicitly accepted level of care for that price. If you quit, as another posted mentioned, 1 of two things happens, grandma has no care or they pay more. The choice is up to the society.
One thing I that I didn't see mentioned is that there is another factor in the payment. For better or worse, we have decided that jobs that are personally fulfilling can pay less. Look at teacher, cop, fireman, or social worker. All of these pay like crap. Economically, this must be b/c people still choose to do them for that pay.
"rural tax-consuming" How do you figure that the rural areas consume more taxes?
depending on where you are talking about, that is generally true. I know in NY State, upstate NY bleeds the taxes from NYC. WA state has the same thing, w/ the Seattle taxes bleeding west to the farm populations. efficiencies of density presumably.
OK, I can only hope that he, like many (myself include) was firewalling his wifi from his ethernet network.
I actually have 3 networks. The DSL router has complete open wifi as I believe in free wireless. Mine is cool enough to shape my traffic as higher priority (I don't mind sharing but i *am* the one paying for this). Then a wireless gateway with WPA for my local roaming use. This dmz network has specific holes poked in the backend firewall for certain uses (streaming video/music from the fileserver). Then behind the firewall, i have my fixed/wired machines.
hmmm... i really had no need to post that. I guess I am just trying to avoid work...
the difference would be if your piss poor decisions was as a captain of a ship and we are heading for an iceberg. bitching about your past paychecks would not change the fact that we need to do something to not hit the iceberg
close, but you lost it when you said the international markets refused to buy in. They bought in, and heavily. Basically every bank in the world is in trouble because of this. Maybe not asian banks who largely stayed out of it but they are heavily invested in the dollar still, hence their crash earlier this week.
I struggle w/ this a bit but i think we need the bailout. This isn't simply a case of paying huge bonuses so ceo's can get more money. From the top down, if the banks don't have cash (or easy access to source cash intrabank, what is really drying up, the LIBOR is as high as it has ever been), they cannot lend it. This means businesses cannot get it and investment does not happen. This becomes a contraction and your neighbor loses his job. Which means he can buy less stuff so your grocer loses his job. wash, rinse repeat until you lose your job. Banks are not an optional part of this economy.
Yeah it pisses me off that these bankers created a shitload of 'assets' from thin air and got rich skimming pieces of this imaginary money. There was a lack of a feedback loop, the guys giving out the money had no interest in whether it was paid back, the more they gave out the more they made. Once it was packaged up in so many sexy vehicles, many of these funds had no idea how much asset was actually involved in what they were buying. They may or may not have learned their lessons but there is need for some regulation here.
We have 2 choices, give them the money and hope we can smooth out a crash/depression (by no means certain) or don't and accept the 'correction' (cringely has a great piece last week likening this to a forest fire). The correction would work, it would hurt a lot, but at the end of the day it would work. The world would likely crash for some time. Many jobs lost, many lives lost in most estimations. America would likely lose its last claim to dominance and the balance of power would likely shift east. These things all seem pretty shit to me. I think we need to see whether we can salvage this without going through that.
yeah but it spends like USD. ie, for £1000 you can get in britain about the same amount of equipment as $1000 will get you in the US.
It's just not practical to put 50' diameter detectors hanging in the upper atmosphere and wait for a particle collision to happen inside of one.
heh, b/c building a 27km underground tunnel is generally considered "practical".
Note that I am in very much favor of these highly experimental projects but I don't really think of them as practical.
I like that you are complaining about the green lobby trying to keep cars more efficient in a thread about an efficient car.
holey run on batman....
why would that be redundant? I don't read xkcd regularly but found the strip amusing and relevant to the discussion. cudos to GP
as the GP mentioned, marriage was both a legal and a religious concept. The legal/state part is a contract between two people. The religious part is responsible for what ever combining of flesh or omnipotent fantastical friend's intention you may want it to be.
A prenup is part of the state part.
i know, i know... don't feed the trolls...
PS...
God implemented divorce if the woman was the guilty party and she would most often be stoned to death and if not left with no assets at all.
religions like the one in the parent post always make me wonder why any woman would believe in that religion.
90% of the software you run on windows is not written by MS. Most of the windows crashes are not really caused by windows. I run multiple windows machines that very rarely crash (1-2 times a year?) and my purpose built ones _never_ crash (well, does a power outage count?).
If you believe the stats from the windows crash analysis, a very large percentage come down to 3rd party device drivers. That these drivers have the ability to bring down the OS is an issue in itself. Albeit, one that is largely done for performance reasons and something that linux has problems with as well.
I am a happy subscription music user and I agree with basically all the points above. One I would like to add is that i got sick of managing my music. Once my music collection got into the 5 digits it was a real pain to manage it all. I spent a lot of time going through once to tag/name everything correctly (especially the old napster days stuff). Once I had my 'clean' zone, i would have to dmz new albums before I would put them in the real collection. This was just a holder until I could get everything tagged to my specifications. But it did mean that if somebody came over and dumped a hard drive on me, or even a couple of cds I wouldn't get to them for a while until I had time to tag them.
despite all this, I still ran across things that were mistagged or cut off in the middle.
In the end, I decided to just pay somebody 10 bucks a month so I didn't have to deal w/ that anymore. I am making money now, it is worth 10 bucks to have everything and it to just work
One of america's greatest advantages for a long time was the 'brain drain' we had from teh rest of the world. The best and brightest of the world came to the US for schooling and work. Then we got hit by the turrists and became so fucking xenophobic. Now we make everybody coming here feel like a criminal and have made it much harder to come here in teh first place. The other institutions around the world have stepped up and now there are real, viable alternatives to education in america. That is a VERY BAD THING for us. While some people would always come and leave, they would generally take with them a better understanding of who we were. Many people, however, would come and stay. That is a good thing, especially when you attract people who are willing to work, educate and better themselves.
The negative effects of our xenophobia are going to play out for generations. It will only continue longer the longer we keep up this xenophobic policy. I can only hope we turn it around but watching the ignorance around the immigration debate makes me despair of that happening.
Mod this up, this is the most insightful post on the thread yet.
on one side I see this as a speech/art issue. The game is clearly a work of art and how can an evolving society ban art per se.
The one thing that keeps nagging my mind though is the next steps. Take this to a VR type situation where you can realistically simulate anything. Should there be anything banned? Is there anything that is so reprehensible that it isn't even allowed in the 'privacy' of your own virtual space? I think you could come up w/ a list of 'scenes' that most people would think should be banned. So where are the lines here?
please site some sources, that view point smacks of fox news spin. Really, we didn't nail clinton to the wall b/c there were too many things to nail him to the wall for? Really? Can you swallow a whole bowling ball too?
no, worst case is all of your data compromised, potentially financial/personal etc....
it is possible that this would be worse than death for some (unlikely, but possible)