I consider the job market to be a market as all other on which the prices are made up by offer and demand. Counteroffers are a normal consequence of this; employers are sometimes just a bit slow to adapt to the market prices and employees usually don't notice they're worth a lot more until they get an offer for another job. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion. So let's talk about the 10 reasons for not accepting a counteroffer (beware of the popup with the ad:P):
You have now made your employer aware that you are unhappy. From this day on, your loyalty will always be in question. No you have not; you've made your employer aware that he's not paying you enough and this has nothing to do with loyalty. If your loyalty is in question, this is not a consequence of the offer but of the stupidity of you employer.
When promotion time comes around, your employer will remember who is loyal and who is not. See #1. Also: if your employer made you a counteroffer, you're at least worth something so maybe your chances at promotion time are even higher:)
When times get tough, your employer will begin the cutbacks with you. Nothing wrong with that; when times get tough, there's less work available for you so your value on the jobmarket gets lower so it's perfectly normal to get a cutback. Your chance to get a cutback at another employer is about just as high.
Accepting a counteroffer is an insult to your intelligence and a blow to your personal pride; you were bought. Accepting a counteroffer means you actually like your job but get payed more. How can that possibly be a blow to your personal pride?!
Where is the money for the counteroffer coming from? All companies have wage and salary guidelines which must be followed. Is it your next raise early? Maybe it was. Is that so bad? Getting a raise earlier doesn't implicate that you won't get another raise soon.
Your company will immediately start looking for a new person at a cheaper price. And they will get what they pay for so when they can do with someone cheaper, you're probably not the right man for the job anyway. And if you're not the right person, just don't accept the counteroffer
The same circumstances that now cause you to consider a change will repeat themselves in the future, even if you accept a counteroffer. So? There are other ways to make it clear to your employer that you're worth more than he's paying for.
Statistics show that if you accept a counteroffer, the probability of voluntarily leaving in six months or being let go in one year is extremely high. So...where are those statistics?
Once the word gets out, the relationship that you now enjoy with your co-workers will never be the same. You will lose the personal satisfaction of peer group acceptance. If your co-workers are such assholes, maybe you shouldn't accept the counteroffer and go work somewhere else, but this has nothing to do with the counteroffer.
What type of company do you work for if you have to threaten to resign before they will give you what you are worth? A company that doesn't know that well what you're worth. That's not a good thing, but it's not reason not to accept a counteroffer.
Conclusion: the 3 reasons for not accepting a counteroffer are: 1. Your boss is an asshole, 2. Your collegues are assholes or 3. You're not the right man for the job (or just don't like the job). Oh and maybe you'd also noticed these 10 reasons where on a site called `jobtechsearch'. Their sole goal is to get you a new job so counteroffers are a bad thing for them:)
I think large buildings etc. can be filtered out quite easily; the phones in the building are hardly moving while the phones on the street are (unless there's a traffic jam) so it should be easy to see whether there's a traffic jam; when there's no traffic jam there are a lot of phones not moving while some are driving along at relatively high speed, when there's a traffic jam the phones moving along are moving much slower. The same goes for traffic lights etc; it's cannot be that hard to differentiate certain patterns and tell what's going on.
...but how do other/.ers feel about a company profiting from data emitted by the cellphone that they paid for?"
This company isn't profiting from data emitted by the specific cellphone you paid for, they're profiting from the collective data emitted by all cellphones around. What's wrong with that? Why would it be wrong for anyone to listen to a certain (group of) frequenc[y|ies] and produce statistical information from the data they receive?! I personally think this is a great idea and if you are having problems with someone receiving the data you send out on a certain frequency then don't send it where everyone can receive it.
I haven't seen the site so I don't know how large it is, but last time I checked, a 200mhz pentiumpro was fast enough to fill a 10mbit link so I don't see how it's even interesting when it gets slashdotted; when the iPaq is properly configured, the uplink will be the bottleneck, not the iPaq.
I don't see what the big deal is; a few years ago 200mhz/64mb was a pretty normal configuration for a webserver. The iPaq is just a bit smaller. Maybe if a take a picture of my cellphone running tetris, I'll make it to/. mainpage as well! woohoo.
So. It's considered criminal behaviour when I ask you for a document and you send it to me and then I happen not to like it? Don't open the fucking 64 popups! It's your computer opening them so don't blame this guy that put them there. That's pathetic. If you don't like what YOUR computer is doing, then have it fixed. But don't go complaining that you don't like this content which is a pretty good yoke as far as I'm concerned.
Matrox' Linux support has been almost meaningless since the g450 because tv-out is not fully supported so you cannot watch accelerated movies on your tv. Basicly it sucks. I had to trade in my g450 for a g400 to get tv-out working and won't buy anything from them until things work like they should.
If this pill sound interesting to you, you my also like this recent story on kuro5hin about Uberman's sleep schedule. This is problably just as bad for your health though.
I have to agree with you that most people will keep using Office. But that's because the bad thing has already happened there: we're all stuck since importing MS Office files into other products still doesn't work (and probably never will) etc. A lot of people have learned their lesson by now and will think twice before locking themselves up in a standard/product again. This is a lot easier with non-Office-products since the main reason Office is staying around (at least at my company) is that all customers keep using it. So. My point: I agree with you most customers won't use their brain before deciding, but I wouldn't compare this to Office since it's a totally different product which has totally different reasons for staying around.
How do you think cripling software would make people want to use it? You're paranoid:) If most of the Mozilla users that visit my webshop would not be able to buy anything because I run an intentionally cripled webserver, I'd ditch that webserver immediately. The same story for cripled browsers. Stability is very important to nearly all users so I don't think there is any reason for your scenario to happen. Ever.
Could you tell me more about the Apache/SSL problems with IE? I've never experienced any trouble at all.
All of that is true, but C# programs written for windows will probably not be portable to other platforms. It doesn't really matter who controls what, but the fact that there is a single commonly used way to build GUI's with Java makes it a lot more usable for writing GUI-apps than C# will ever be because none of the GUI toolkits will be easily available on all platforms.
Since the GUI classes are windows specific (that's what you're saying?), the language will be a lot less open than Java is; in Java a GUI is written in Swing and then it works everywhere. In C# otoh, there is no GUI standard to rely on - since it is Windows specific. This would enable MS to keep it's current #1 advantage: most Windows software only runs on Windows (so it's users are stuck). And it may the language a lot less popular since it cannot produce portable GUI's.
You can build such a thing (including IR keyboard and RC), install Linux, configure/write the software to controll the whole thing from your TV in an hour? Are you an octopus on speed or something?:P
The fun thing is...everybody seems to know this dude and it had been known pretty widely for some time already that he did it:) I don't get why the police took so long to find him... For the non-Dutch: he DDOSed a widely announced chat-session with our crown-prince and his girl so it made all the headlines. So. My tip to the DDOSsers: don't brag. (and don't DDOS:P)
Not only MS. Debian and Red Hat have been doing the same. They don't install automatic tools (at least Debian), but nobody checks anything before upgrading so that's basicly the same.
Although I think you're right, shouldn't this be considered a rather horrible way of working? It should be rather easy to create a dselect-alike program which is a lot more intuitive. This don't-use-it-then attitude is keeping a lot of people from using Debian (and a lot of other distrios for that matter) for the simple reason somebody didn't think about the user interface very well. It even keeps away a lot of us slashdotters; every time there's an article posted about Debian, there are multiple people complaining about dselect. I think this is the overall problem with Linux-adoption; a lot of developers don't think about good and consistent UI's or decide to `build the UI later'. In general I think developers are doing a real good job, but it's those few programs that are `hard' to work with which keep a lot of users away...
I know, but the point of the discussion we somehow got into was that the correct name would be odometer. Just like the hacker/cracker discussion:) Totally bullshit, but it's slashdot:)
I suppose that when they put those signs up people actually knew about math. And those were the good ol' days.
Well I think when they put those signs up they actually meant odochecks so you don't need math, a stopwatch and cruisecontrol:P That was the whole point of my comment anyway.
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You have now made your employer aware that you are unhappy. From this day on, your loyalty will always be in question.
No you have not; you've made your employer aware that he's not paying you enough and this has nothing to do with loyalty. If your loyalty is in question, this is not a consequence of the offer but of the stupidity of you employer.
When promotion time comes around, your employer will remember who is loyal and who is not.
See #1. Also: if your employer made you a counteroffer, you're at least worth something so maybe your chances at promotion time are even higher:)
When times get tough, your employer will begin the cutbacks with you.
Nothing wrong with that; when times get tough, there's less work available for you so your value on the jobmarket gets lower so it's perfectly normal to get a cutback. Your chance to get a cutback at another employer is about just as high.
Accepting a counteroffer is an insult to your intelligence and a blow to your personal pride; you were bought.
Accepting a counteroffer means you actually like your job but get payed more. How can that possibly be a blow to your personal pride?!
Where is the money for the counteroffer coming from? All companies have wage and salary guidelines which must be followed. Is it your next raise early?
Maybe it was. Is that so bad? Getting a raise earlier doesn't implicate that you won't get another raise soon.
Your company will immediately start looking for a new person at a cheaper price.
And they will get what they pay for so when they can do with someone cheaper, you're probably not the right man for the job anyway. And if you're not the right person, just don't accept the counteroffer
The same circumstances that now cause you to consider a change will repeat themselves in the future, even if you accept a counteroffer.
So? There are other ways to make it clear to your employer that you're worth more than he's paying for.
Statistics show that if you accept a counteroffer, the probability of voluntarily leaving in six months or being let go in one year is extremely high.
So...where are those statistics?
Once the word gets out, the relationship that you now enjoy with your co-workers will never be the same. You will lose the personal satisfaction of peer group acceptance.
If your co-workers are such assholes, maybe you shouldn't accept the counteroffer and go work somewhere else, but this has nothing to do with the counteroffer.
What type of company do you work for if you have to threaten to resign before they will give you what you are worth?
A company that doesn't know that well what you're worth. That's not a good thing, but it's not reason not to accept a counteroffer.
Conclusion: the 3 reasons for not accepting a counteroffer are: 1. Your boss is an asshole, 2. Your collegues are assholes or 3. You're not the right man for the job (or just don't like the job). Oh and maybe you'd also noticed these 10 reasons where on a site called `jobtechsearch'. Their sole goal is to get you a new job so counteroffers are a bad thing for them:)
I think large buildings etc. can be filtered out quite easily; the phones in the building are hardly moving while the phones on the street are (unless there's a traffic jam) so it should be easy to see whether there's a traffic jam; when there's no traffic jam there are a lot of phones not moving while some are driving along at relatively high speed, when there's a traffic jam the phones moving along are moving much slower. The same goes for traffic lights etc; it's cannot be that hard to differentiate certain patterns and tell what's going on.
This company isn't profiting from data emitted by the specific cellphone you paid for, they're profiting from the collective data emitted by all cellphones around. What's wrong with that? Why would it be wrong for anyone to listen to a certain (group of) frequenc[y|ies] and produce statistical information from the data they receive?! I personally think this is a great idea and if you are having problems with someone receiving the data you send out on a certain frequency then don't send it where everyone can receive it.
I don't see what the big deal is; a few years ago 200mhz/64mb was a pretty normal configuration for a webserver. The iPaq is just a bit smaller. Maybe if a take a picture of my cellphone running tetris, I'll make it to /. mainpage as well! woohoo.
So. It's considered criminal behaviour when I ask you for a document and you send it to me and then I happen not to like it? Don't open the fucking 64 popups! It's your computer opening them so don't blame this guy that put them there. That's pathetic. If you don't like what YOUR computer is doing, then have it fixed. But don't go complaining that you don't like this content which is a pretty good yoke as far as I'm concerned.
Do you have a link about this official acknowledgement by the dutch government? Thanks.
Can you also boil eggs on the bottom of your TiBook?
Matrox' Linux support has been almost meaningless since the g450 because tv-out is not fully supported so you cannot watch accelerated movies on your tv. Basicly it sucks. I had to trade in my g450 for a g400 to get tv-out working and won't buy anything from them until things work like they should.
No OSS dropped nothing; the bug was/will be fixed before Mozilla 1.0 will be released. So the OSS-idea worked quite well once again.
How are we supposed to suck a cock when we've already dropped dead as you suggest? That would be some form of inverse necrofelia or something?
homosexuals are gay.
If this pill sound interesting to you, you my also like this recent story on kuro5hin about Uberman's sleep schedule. This is problably just as bad for your health though.
I have to agree with you that most people will keep using Office. But that's because the bad thing has already happened there: we're all stuck since importing MS Office files into other products still doesn't work (and probably never will) etc. A lot of people have learned their lesson by now and will think twice before locking themselves up in a standard/product again. This is a lot easier with non-Office-products since the main reason Office is staying around (at least at my company) is that all customers keep using it. So. My point: I agree with you most customers won't use their brain before deciding, but I wouldn't compare this to Office since it's a totally different product which has totally different reasons for staying around.
How do you think cripling software would make people want to use it? You're paranoid:) If most of the Mozilla users that visit my webshop would not be able to buy anything because I run an intentionally cripled webserver, I'd ditch that webserver immediately. The same story for cripled browsers. Stability is very important to nearly all users so I don't think there is any reason for your scenario to happen. Ever.
Could you tell me more about the Apache/SSL problems with IE? I've never experienced any trouble at all.
(Is it cripled, crippled or kriplet?:))
All of that is true, but C# programs written for windows will probably not be portable to other platforms. It doesn't really matter who controls what, but the fact that there is a single commonly used way to build GUI's with Java makes it a lot more usable for writing GUI-apps than C# will ever be because none of the GUI toolkits will be easily available on all platforms.
Since the GUI classes are windows specific (that's what you're saying?), the language will be a lot less open than Java is; in Java a GUI is written in Swing and then it works everywhere. In C# otoh, there is no GUI standard to rely on - since it is Windows specific. This would enable MS to keep it's current #1 advantage: most Windows software only runs on Windows (so it's users are stuck). And it may the language a lot less popular since it cannot produce portable GUI's.
You provide the octopus, I'll provide the speed. OK?
You can build such a thing (including IR keyboard and RC), install Linux, configure/write the software to controll the whole thing from your TV in an hour? Are you an octopus on speed or something?:P
The fun thing is...everybody seems to know this dude and it had been known pretty widely for some time already that he did it:) I don't get why the police took so long to find him... For the non-Dutch: he DDOSed a widely announced chat-session with our crown-prince and his girl so it made all the headlines. So. My tip to the DDOSsers: don't brag. (and don't DDOS:P)
True. But which technology?
Not only MS. Debian and Red Hat have been doing the same. They don't install automatic tools (at least Debian), but nobody checks anything before upgrading so that's basicly the same.
Although I think you're right, shouldn't this be considered a rather horrible way of working? It should be rather easy to create a dselect-alike program which is a lot more intuitive. This don't-use-it-then attitude is keeping a lot of people from using Debian (and a lot of other distrios for that matter) for the simple reason somebody didn't think about the user interface very well. It even keeps away a lot of us slashdotters; every time there's an article posted about Debian, there are multiple people complaining about dselect. I think this is the overall problem with Linux-adoption; a lot of developers don't think about good and consistent UI's or decide to `build the UI later'. In general I think developers are doing a real good job, but it's those few programs that are `hard' to work with which keep a lot of users away...
I know, but the point of the discussion we somehow got into was that the correct name would be odometer. Just like the hacker/cracker discussion:) Totally bullshit, but it's slashdot:)
Well I think when they put those signs up they actually meant odochecks so you don't need math, a stopwatch and cruisecontrol:P That was the whole point of my comment anyway.
Then I say PRIVATE jet.