I can't really speak to the Romney campaign's use of salesforce, but I never had to deal with it as I believe that our use was limited to handling inbound contacts from public channels.
The Obama campaign had the distinct advantage of having 18 months to build our technology from the ground up, and that's precisely what we did! Of course, there were still external vendors that handled some functionality and we built systems so that everything was integrated and worked together.
Typically, a Presidential campaign only has 3-4 months between when they secure the nomination and the election to build their campaigns, which is why there are many niche vendors. Romney undoubtedly got an influx of support from the RNC once he had the nomination, but they could have easily have continued building since he never collapsed his organization from his 2008 campaign.
The big difference in my opinion was the choice to bring a dedicated internal term in as opposed to outsourcing to consultants.
Its a private corporation that's created by government, run by government people, and given all kinds of special protections.
Its like saying that the privatized Post Office is a private corporation. The Post Office is protected since it is illegal to establish regular mail routes. The only people who can walk up and down the streets of this country delivering mail is the Post Office. Its illegal for any other company to deliver something into your Mailbox.
And, UPS, Fed Ex, DHL, Airbone et al does remarkably well IN SPITE of such regulations.
Now, imagine a world without such meaningless regulations and how efficently things can run and you are beginning to understand the libertarian message.
(thankfully, some rights are *inalienable* -- you cannot contract yourself into slavery, for example)
You sure about that? We have an unlimited right to contract, and that includes the right to forfeit our rights.
If what you say is true, it would be unenforceable to sign a non-disclosure agreement, as you are giving up your first ammendment rights to free speech.
How different is slavery from some long term service contract? Take for example the Military (or any agreement in the private sector if you like). You enlist and you're on board until they discharge you. You go where they tell you and do what they say. In return they feed you and give you a place to live. You may be at risk and asked to do some dangerous things, but you don't have a say in the matter. Sure, you can run away, but they will come after you for breaking the terms of your contract.
(and, before i get accused of saying slavery is not a bad thing, the problem arises when it treats people as property. Essentially, slaves were treated like animals and their offspring belonged to their owners.)
We are at our capacity to mine silver. Its a manual task and until someone finds a better way to mine it or throws more resources at it, we will be out of silver. You are also right that we consume more silver then we are producing. So, Supply and demand will dictate one of two things. The price of Silver will go up (which is good if your currency is backed by silver), or there will be more reward for people to mine more silver or find more efficient ways to extract it (which would keep the value the same, but we would have more of it).
The depressions you speak of in the 19th century were the result of Bank Panics or Bank Runs. Those were the result of fraction currencies. Banks were loaning out more then they had on deposit. When debtors defaulted on the loans the banks made, it wasn't the banks that lost, it was those that had deposited their funds that were out the money. So, if the economy took a downturn, people wanted to be able to get THEIR money out while their was still money in the bank. Unfortunately, people removing their deposited funds is the WORST thing for the bank panic and eventually all the money is out of the bank and some people are left with nothing.
This is why all our banks now are insured by the government. That's what FDIC insurance is. So, instead of making it illegal to loan money you don't have, the government santioned it by covering the losses. Who cares now anyway, they can just print more!
One other correction, Silver is the main component of the American Liberty Currency. The gold piece is a $500 coin and it was more of a commerative piece then meant for actual use in transactions. Remember, the ALC is designed as a currency to hold value in transactions and not as a long term investment. It could prove to be quite a good investment if we experience any hyper-inflation, similar to Germany after WW1.
Isn't this the logical outcome of a slow and steady inflation? Since the total number of circulating dollars is ever increasing and outpacing anything of value, if it isn't ahead of a commidity, it soon will be. And if it's ahead, it's not coming back!
If the move to silver or gold is going to happen, it will have to happen slowly, and be adoted over a period of time, to ease the pain of the capital shifting. And, yes there may be some deflation or devalueing of our dollar, but there are ways to manage that as well. There has already been talk about devaluing our currency or removing coins from circulation.
If you care to look at the Associate program as such, fine. But there is more to it. You can get their currency without paying the $250. But, Associates get the currencies at a discount. Currently, $9.23 gets you 10 Liberty Dollars. This price fluctuates with the cost of silver.
And, they openly explain what they do with the $50 from the signup. It goes to pay people to answer phones when some merchant gets one and doesn't know what it is. They have marketing materials, they have offices to pay for.
"$40 is in the form of silver coins that contain (drumroll please) about $20 of silver."
They NEVER claim to be an investment vehicle. They will openly tell you that there is $6.96 worth of Silver in that $10 piece. The difference goes to the cost of coining the silver. They also have paper money and a warehouse (that is independently audited, more costs) that stores silvers. For every paper liberty dollar in circulation, there's a silver 'coin' in the warehouse.
"Also the bizarre claim to be "inflation-proof."" "I can't find a listing of the exchange rates"
These are related! They exchange on a 1 for 1 basis with they US dollar! However, if the price of silver exceeds a threshold for a 30 day period, all Liberties double in value. An example: I give a liberty associate a 10 dollar Federal Reserve Note (FRN) he gives me a $10 Silver Liberty. Over the course of the next 30 days, silver gets close to $10 an ounce, my $10 Silver Liberty is now a $20 Silver Liberty. If I want to get another one, I'll have to give the associate $20 (FRN).
So, it doesn't protect you from the inflation that you mention, but Silver is relatively difficult to mine and its entering the market at about the rate it is being consumed (yes, silver is used in many everyday items). What it does protect you from is our government merely printing more money.
Most people don't understand that we control the rate of inflation. For whatever reason, we want a 3% rate, so we introduce 3% more every year, and simple supply and demand drives prices up. Meanwhile your savings account that is getting 1% (if you're lucky) is losing ground!
There's lots of places on their website where they explain all of this.
Also, they have been investigated by the Secret Service (who is responsible for policing counterfeiting, you know, it IS one of the three federal crimes, the others being Piracy (the-open-water-ARRRRG,Ahoy-Matey kind, not the P2P-MP3-file-sharing kind) and Treason), and they have no problems with it.
I'm not a fanatic, but I have some currency, and I see the value in it. I'm near Chicago, and its more difficult to use here. There are entire small towns in other parts of the country that are thriving on it though. Check out the video section at the bottom of their info page.
I think the point that's missing here is critical mass.
Ideally, there would be enough 'real' users and 'real' preferences that it wouldn't be feasable to have enough bogus accounts created by shady artists to corrupt the system.
Also, if these 'dummies' are detected, it should be pretty easy to remove them from the pool, removing their influnce.
From the review, seems like the book goes a long way to giving a good introduction for keeping yourself secure, but does it really leave out keeping communications secure?
It wouldn't take more then a few pages to discuss the need for being able to sign or encrypt things and a short tour of PGP/GPG and how they can use it in their everyday life.
Nader?!? He isn't even going to be on the Ballot in enough states to have a shot at winning the election!
How about taking an honest look at what Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate has to say. You may disagree on some points, but at least it is moving to restore personal freedoms again.
I would be right to stay home on election day and get smashed on Listerine.*
Unfortunately, sitting home doesn't do anything to change what is happening in this country.
There are a large number of 'alternative' candidates that you can vote for. I'm partial to Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate, and every vote for is a vote for scaling government back from the HUGE monster it has become.
You may not agree with every policy, but every vote helps garner more attention. If he starts polling at 5%, the media will have to give more attention which will expose him to even more people. At which point, people who don't vote because they see it as a wasted vote jump on the bandwagon. Perhaps enough support gets him into the debates which would make for REAL interesting TV. Would you like to see Bush and Kerry have to justify the Patriot act or Gay marraige bans?
And, if you say we are going too far, perhaps... but maybe we can agree that we are heading in the right direction. We can sort out the details of how much to get rid of and how much to keep. I'd much rather see that debate then the same old 'how much should we grow government by this year'?
Honestly, it wouldn't take much to have all the disenfranchised put their foot down and put and end to it. Especially if you live in a state that is already decided... why not enter a protest vote?
This may just be a situation where Konspire actually makes sense.
When this surfaced on Slashdot about a year ago, a lot of noise was made about it, but the fact is that it is tied to distribution cycles. Meaning a file/stream/whatever isn't passed on until some on has a complete copy.
This obviously doesn't work well if you want to distribute a DVD to a network, but would probably be reasonable for smaller files. Tiny files like RSS feeds could reach a very wide audience VERY quickly.
Go there with 20 friends (or whatever you can round up) and randomly disperse yourselves throughout the theather, and then make it look like more then one person got the idea. I'd love to see the reactions of the innocent bystanders.
Make it a game, see how many people you can get to join you.
-- 2.1 Release Feature:burst-on-connect Description: This functionality adds the ability to set internal icecast buffering parameters which affect listeners who first connect to a stream. Currently, listeners experience seeming high buffering times due to the fact that icecast does not send data out faster than data coming in from the source client. By adding burst-on-connect, listeners will be able to get a burst of data from icecast on first connect which may eliminate this buffering time in many instances. This option will be configurable.
--
Not quite sure if they have added this to CVS for testing yet or not, but it sounds like it will address at least part of you problem, the buffering at the initial connection.
As far as handling what happens if a stream falls behind, well, that's a bit stickier and I'm not sure how even commerical tools handle it.
Ultimately, I nifty way of handling it would be to dynamically reprocess the stream to speed up the rate that the stream is played while keeping the pitch correct until the stream catches up again.
Of course that would have to be configurable as that could be detrimental to some types of recordings.
.. but with 22 locations listed on their website, only 6 of them are active. I suppose its great for truckers who have to drive through those areas, but it is far from being a widely accepted thing. For this to expand across the country, there are enormous costs involved in purchasing/leasing land, buildings, and the networking equipment.
I'm sure cisco and intel would be more then happy to throw in some discounted equipment, but just building out each location can be very expensive, all to make $1.25 an hour? You'll need at least 4 people staying there all night just to be able to staff the location with a minimum wage employee.
Sounds great in theory, but where does the profit come from?
As many similarities exist, the next question is if everything is purely coincidental and we are looking for similarities or if our technology was subconsciously built to model nature. The later would lead us to the conclusion that we would be able to use advances in technology to improve on nature.
All of which calls into question the ethical and moral decisions that come with mucking with nature.
I believe that the analysis of how efficiently BitTorrent works breaks down on two points.
First, it assumes that the BitTorrent clients disconnects immediately after downloading, while the k2b network is constantly connected. Obviously this makes MUCH more bandwidth available to k2b as the same number of people are connected but for longer periods of time. Secondly, it assumes that all clients have the same bandwidth available and that each client can only transmit data to one other client at a time. If BT could only transmit to one client at a time it would definately be hindered, whereas k2b was designed to only transmit to one node at a time.
k2b claims to excel at 'zero-day' distribution and to work well for large-files, but this is exactly when k2b falters. The analysis is based off of 'TimeSteps', which is the amount of time it takes to transfer the complete file. Given that for large files it can take several hours or even days, it may very will take weeks before the 'growth' part of the log2 curve kicks in.
Taking some ideas from k2b, and using it to distributed signed torrent files that would then be launched and automatically killed at some point in time would make this a very very powerful system. What that 'point in time' should be would be a point for experimentation and perhaps be a configuration setting for the channel owner (not the end user). Perhaps the client kills itself 2 hours after its download completes, or at some set time at which distribution is to cease, or even at some function of the filesize or amount of time it took to download the file.
The idea behind k2b is sound, and I do believe that it can succeed with distributing small files. The only other question I would have regarding such a system is how a disconnected node would be handled. Does it locate another upstream node to look for a place to connect? I'd imagine this all goes into the 'intelligent' tree structure where the faster more permament nodes are near the top while slower nodes that don't have an always-on connection are near the bottom and can still get recent 'broadcasts' even though they were disconnected for a day or so.
In any event, this is something that SHOULD at least be considered. Much of the k2b website is written from a perspective of justifing or defending WHY k2b is superior without taking an honest look at some of its shortcomings.
While nobody likes getting yet another offer for a college diploma or a get rich quick scheme which only costs $5 (plus 5 stamps), this is nothing but a bad idea in my mind.
Do we really need to make it criminal to send someone an unsolicited email? Why can't people deal with this themselves? Lots of people already filter their mail, and plenty of ISPs don't handle mail or filter it for you already if it is from some known spammer.
Lastly... the sad truth about spam... IT WORKS! if it didn't work and nobody ever actually bought a college diploma, the people sending the spam would give up.
The last thing is country needs is more laws... how about moving towards what all those politians have promised: SMALLER GOVERNMENT.
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I can't really speak to the Romney campaign's use of salesforce, but I never had to deal with it as I believe that our use was limited to handling inbound contacts from public channels.
The Obama campaign had the distinct advantage of having 18 months to build our technology from the ground up, and that's precisely what we did! Of course, there were still external vendors that handled some functionality and we built systems so that everything was integrated and worked together.
Typically, a Presidential campaign only has 3-4 months between when they secure the nomination and the election to build their campaigns, which is why there are many niche vendors. Romney undoubtedly got an influx of support from the RNC once he had the nomination, but they could have easily have continued building since he never collapsed his organization from his 2008 campaign.
The big difference in my opinion was the choice to bring a dedicated internal term in as opposed to outsourcing to consultants.
Its a private corporation that's created by government, run by government people, and given all kinds of special protections.
Its like saying that the privatized Post Office is a private corporation. The Post Office is protected since it is illegal to establish regular mail routes. The only people who can walk up and down the streets of this country delivering mail is the Post Office. Its illegal for any other company to deliver something into your Mailbox.
And, UPS, Fed Ex, DHL, Airbone et al does remarkably well IN SPITE of such regulations.
Now, imagine a world without such meaningless regulations and how efficently things can run and you are beginning to understand the libertarian message.
(thankfully, some rights are *inalienable* -- you cannot contract yourself into slavery, for example)
You sure about that? We have an unlimited right to contract, and that includes the right to forfeit our rights.
If what you say is true, it would be unenforceable to sign a non-disclosure agreement, as you are giving up your first ammendment rights to free speech.
How different is slavery from some long term service contract? Take for example the Military (or any agreement in the private sector if you like). You enlist and you're on board until they discharge you. You go where they tell you and do what they say. In return they feed you and give you a place to live. You may be at risk and asked to do some dangerous things, but you don't have a say in the matter. Sure, you can run away, but they will come after you for breaking the terms of your contract.
(and, before i get accused of saying slavery is not a bad thing, the problem arises when it treats people as property. Essentially, slaves were treated like animals and their offspring belonged to their owners.)
We are at our capacity to mine silver. Its a manual task and until someone finds a better way to mine it or throws more resources at it, we will be out of silver. You are also right that we consume more silver then we are producing. So, Supply and demand will dictate one of two things. The price of Silver will go up (which is good if your currency is backed by silver), or there will be more reward for people to mine more silver or find more efficient ways to extract it (which would keep the value the same, but we would have more of it).
The depressions you speak of in the 19th century were the result of Bank Panics or Bank Runs. Those were the result of fraction currencies. Banks were loaning out more then they had on deposit. When debtors defaulted on the loans the banks made, it wasn't the banks that lost, it was those that had deposited their funds that were out the money. So, if the economy took a downturn, people wanted to be able to get THEIR money out while their was still money in the bank. Unfortunately, people removing their deposited funds is the WORST thing for the bank panic and eventually all the money is out of the bank and some people are left with nothing.
This is why all our banks now are insured by the government. That's what FDIC insurance is. So, instead of making it illegal to loan money you don't have, the government santioned it by covering the losses. Who cares now anyway, they can just print more!
One other correction, Silver is the main component of the American Liberty Currency. The gold piece is a $500 coin and it was more of a commerative piece then meant for actual use in transactions. Remember, the ALC is designed as a currency to hold value in transactions and not as a long term investment. It could prove to be quite a good investment if we experience any hyper-inflation, similar to Germany after WW1.
Isn't this the logical outcome of a slow and steady inflation? Since the total number of circulating dollars is ever increasing and outpacing anything of value, if it isn't ahead of a commidity, it soon will be. And if it's ahead, it's not coming back!
If the move to silver or gold is going to happen, it will have to happen slowly, and be adoted over a period of time, to ease the pain of the capital shifting. And, yes there may be some deflation or devalueing of our dollar, but there are ways to manage that as well. There has already been talk about devaluing our currency or removing coins from circulation.
"By contrast, the liberty program is a club."
If you care to look at the Associate program as such, fine. But there is more to it. You can get their currency without paying the $250. But, Associates get the currencies at a discount. Currently, $9.23 gets you 10 Liberty Dollars. This price fluctuates with the cost of silver.
And, they openly explain what they do with the $50 from the signup. It goes to pay people to answer phones when some merchant gets one and doesn't know what it is. They have marketing materials, they have offices to pay for.
"$40 is in the form of silver coins that contain (drumroll please) about $20 of silver."
They NEVER claim to be an investment vehicle. They will openly tell you that there is $6.96 worth of Silver in that $10 piece. The difference goes to the cost of coining the silver. They also have paper money and a warehouse (that is independently audited, more costs) that stores silvers. For every paper liberty dollar in circulation, there's a silver 'coin' in the warehouse.
"Also the bizarre claim to be "inflation-proof.""
"I can't find a listing of the exchange rates"
These are related! They exchange on a 1 for 1 basis with they US dollar! However, if the price of silver exceeds a threshold for a 30 day period, all Liberties double in value. An example: I give a liberty associate a 10 dollar Federal Reserve Note (FRN) he gives me a $10 Silver Liberty. Over the course of the next 30 days, silver gets close to $10 an ounce, my $10 Silver Liberty is now a $20 Silver Liberty. If I want to get another one, I'll have to give the associate $20 (FRN).
So, it doesn't protect you from the inflation that you mention, but Silver is relatively difficult to mine and its entering the market at about the rate it is being consumed (yes, silver is used in many everyday items). What it does protect you from is our government merely printing more money.
Most people don't understand that we control the rate of inflation. For whatever reason, we want a 3% rate, so we introduce 3% more every year, and simple supply and demand drives prices up. Meanwhile your savings account that is getting 1% (if you're lucky) is losing ground!
There's lots of places on their website where they explain all of this.
Silver approaching $10
The Value of the Silver being less then face value
About Norfed and scam claims
Also, they have been investigated by the Secret Service (who is responsible for policing counterfeiting, you know, it IS one of the three federal crimes, the others being Piracy (the-open-water-ARRRRG,Ahoy-Matey kind, not the P2P-MP3-file-sharing kind) and Treason), and they have no problems with it.
I'm not a fanatic, but I have some currency, and I see the value in it. I'm near Chicago, and its more difficult to use here. There are entire small towns in other parts of the country that are thriving on it though. Check out the video section at the bottom of their info page.
Enough rambling for now...
Ryan
I think the point that's missing here is critical mass.
Ideally, there would be enough 'real' users and 'real' preferences that it wouldn't be feasable to have enough bogus accounts created by shady artists to corrupt the system.
Also, if these 'dummies' are detected, it should be pretty easy to remove them from the pool, removing their influnce.
From the review, seems like the book goes a long way to giving a good introduction for keeping yourself secure, but does it really leave out keeping communications secure?
It wouldn't take more then a few pages to discuss the need for being able to sign or encrypt things and a short tour of PGP/GPG and how they can use it in their everyday life.
Nader?!? He isn't even going to be on the Ballot in enough states to have a shot at winning the election!
How about taking an honest look at what Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate has to say. You may disagree on some points, but at least it is moving to restore personal freedoms again.
Ryan
More Ramblings at: http://blog.rkware.com
I would be right to stay home on election day and get smashed on Listerine.*
Unfortunately, sitting home doesn't do anything to change what is happening in this country.
There are a large number of 'alternative' candidates that you can vote for.
I'm partial to Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate, and every vote for is a vote for scaling government back from the HUGE monster it has become.
You may not agree with every policy, but every vote helps garner more attention. If he starts polling at 5%, the media will have to give more attention which will expose him to even more people. At which point, people who don't vote because they see it as a wasted vote jump on the bandwagon. Perhaps enough support gets him into the debates which would make for REAL interesting TV. Would you like to see Bush and Kerry have to justify the Patriot act or Gay marraige bans?
And, if you say we are going too far, perhaps... but maybe we can agree that we are heading in the right direction. We can sort out the details of how much to get rid of and how much to keep. I'd much rather see that debate then the same old 'how much should we grow government by this year'?
Honestly, it wouldn't take much to have all the disenfranchised put their foot down and put and end to it. Especially if you live in a state that is already decided... why not enter a protest vote?
RyanK
More ramblings at: http://blog.rkware.com/
Completely off topic, but yet apropos:
# 42 replies beneath your current threshold.
And yes.. I'm sure by me posting this, its no longer true. Carry on.
This may just be a situation where Konspire actually makes sense.
When this surfaced on Slashdot about a year ago, a lot of noise was made about it, but the fact is that it is tied to distribution cycles. Meaning a file/stream/whatever isn't passed on until some on has a complete copy.
This obviously doesn't work well if you want to distribute a DVD to a network, but would probably be reasonable for smaller files. Tiny files like RSS feeds could reach a very wide audience VERY quickly.
Yes, that's true, but you can CHOOSE to stop being a customer of a company that you don't approve of their business practices.
Try that with your taxes and let us know how that goes for ya.
Take it a step further...
Go there with 20 friends (or whatever you can round up) and randomly disperse yourselves throughout the theather, and then make it look like more then one person got the idea. I'd love to see the reactions of the innocent bystanders.
Make it a game, see how many people you can get to join you.
From the Release Plan:
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2.1 Release
Feature: burst-on-connect
Description: This functionality adds the ability to set internal icecast buffering parameters which affect listeners who first connect to a stream. Currently, listeners experience seeming high buffering times due to the fact that icecast does not send data out faster than data coming in from the source client. By adding burst-on-connect, listeners will be able to get a burst of data from icecast on first connect which may eliminate this buffering time in many instances. This option will be configurable.
--
Not quite sure if they have added this to CVS for testing yet or not, but it sounds like it will address at least part of you problem, the buffering at the initial connection.
As far as handling what happens if a stream falls behind, well, that's a bit stickier and I'm not sure how even commerical tools handle it. Ultimately, I nifty way of handling it would be to dynamically reprocess the stream to speed up the rate that the stream is played while keeping the pitch correct until the stream catches up again.
Of course that would have to be configurable as that could be detrimental to some types of recordings.
Regardless, enough tangental ramblings...
.. but with 22 locations listed on their website, only 6 of them are active. I suppose its great for truckers who have to drive through those areas, but it is far from being a widely accepted thing. For this to expand across the country, there are enormous costs involved in purchasing/leasing land, buildings, and the networking equipment.
I'm sure cisco and intel would be more then happy to throw in some discounted equipment, but just building out each location can be very expensive, all to make $1.25 an hour? You'll need at least 4 people staying there all night just to be able to staff the location with a minimum wage employee.
Sounds great in theory, but where does the profit come from?
Seeing this discussion reminded me of a very interesting look into biology, drawing many parallels to technology.
As many similarities exist, the next question is if everything is purely coincidental and we are looking for similarities or if our technology was subconsciously built to model nature. The later would lead us to the conclusion that we would be able to use advances in technology to improve on nature.
All of which calls into question the ethical and moral decisions that come with mucking with nature.
Why not just turn on the 'evil' bit for these connections?
Then simply enable a filter to drop those packets during off hours or peak usage.
And people thought that was a joke!
I believe that the analysis of how efficiently BitTorrent works breaks down on two points.
First, it assumes that the BitTorrent clients disconnects immediately after downloading, while the k2b network is constantly connected. Obviously this makes MUCH more bandwidth available to k2b as the same number of people are connected but for longer periods of time. Secondly, it assumes that all clients have the same bandwidth available and that each client can only transmit data to one other client at a time. If BT could only transmit to one client at a time it would definately be hindered, whereas k2b was designed to only transmit to one node at a time.
k2b claims to excel at 'zero-day' distribution and to work well for large-files, but this is exactly when k2b falters. The analysis is based off of 'TimeSteps', which is the amount of time it takes to transfer the complete file. Given that for large files it can take several hours or even days, it may very will take weeks before the 'growth' part of the log2 curve kicks in.
Taking some ideas from k2b, and using it to distributed signed torrent files that would then be launched and automatically killed at some point in time would make this a very very powerful system. What that 'point in time' should be would be a point for experimentation and perhaps be a configuration setting for the channel owner (not the end user). Perhaps the client kills itself 2 hours after its download completes, or at some set time at which distribution is to cease, or even at some function of the filesize or amount of time it took to download the file.
The idea behind k2b is sound, and I do believe that it can succeed with distributing small files.
The only other question I would have regarding such a system is how a disconnected node would be handled. Does it locate another upstream node to look for a place to connect? I'd imagine this all goes into the 'intelligent' tree structure where the faster more permament nodes are near the top while slower nodes that don't have an always-on connection are near the bottom and can still get recent 'broadcasts' even though they were disconnected for a day or so.
In any event, this is something that SHOULD at least be considered. Much of the k2b website is written from a perspective of justifing or defending WHY k2b is superior without taking an honest look at some of its shortcomings.
In addition, we require reimbursement for our attorneys' fees in the present amount of $140.00.
I look forward to your response on or before January 30, 1998.
Ummm... That isn't SMG but rather Elisha Cuthbert, who plays Jack Bauer's daughter on 24.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled fawning over Ms. Geller.
hrm, I wonder how many people went off and submitted this story again so that it can be duped three times on the front page.
Do we really need to make it criminal to send someone an unsolicited email? Why can't people deal with this themselves? Lots of people already filter their mail, and plenty of ISPs don't handle mail or filter it for you already if it is from some known spammer.
Lastly... the sad truth about spam... IT WORKS! if it didn't work and nobody ever actually bought a college diploma, the people sending the spam would give up.
The last thing is country needs is more laws... how about moving towards what all those politians have promised: SMALLER GOVERNMENT.