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Always Use Protection

Raymond Lodato writes "Where do I begin? Oh yes! If you are a teenager who uses computers, or the parent or guardian of a teenager who does, buy Always Use Protection, by Dan Appleman! Let me take a little time to explain why." Read on for the rest of Lodato's review. Always Use Protection: A Teen's Guide to Safe Computing author Dan Appleman pages 288 publisher Apress rating 10/10 reviewer Raymond Lodato ISBN 159059326X summary An excellent and realistic reference for teens and their parents/guardians about the potential hazards of computing.

Dan Appleman knows how to talk to teenagers. He's made the presentation very logical, he keeps the chapters a reasonable length so a teenager won't feel overwhelmed, and he had a crew of teenagers review this book before it was published so that he knew they would understand it. Those adults who aren't technically adept will find it an easy read, too.

Always Use Protection is broken up into three main parts: Protecting Your Machine, Protecting Your Privacy, and Protecting Yourself. There is a fourth part with useful appendixes, also.

Protecting Your Machine goes through all of the gremlins that can bother your computer, how to get rid of them and how to prevent them from coming back. Viruses, Trojan horse programs, and worms are covered clearly. Not too much depth involved, but not too little either. Dan covers the ins and outs of the three main preventive measures: anti-virus programs, firewalls, and system configuration and updates. He makes sure that his discussions relate to the types of programs that teenagers are likely to run: P2P software, online games, Instant Message clients, e-mail programs, and web browsers. He's careful to include other avenues of attack besides the Internet, such as infected floppies and CDs cut by well-meaning friends.

Always Use Protection explains how to determine which type of anti-virus programs are available and how to run them (using McAfee's VirusScan as an example), but puts the responsibility for deciding which one to use squarely in the reader's lap. Dan has made sure that he's not pushing any particular product over another. In fact, there were one or two places where I wished he'd just come right out and say I'd recommend blah-blah software, but he always said the reader should check the pros and cons of the possibilities and make their own decision.

Firewalls are discussed in detail, as well as their possibly unintended consequences (an online game refuses to run because a critical port is being blocked by the firewall, for example). He does state that if you're on a network behind a router, you may not need a firewall. This is my only disagreement with Dan. I believe a personal firewall should be on each and every machine, regardless of how it connects. It will protect not only the machine itself, but make it harder for the machine to attack others.

Software updates are probably one of the most under-utilized options in the home. News items in papers and on the web speak frequently about how such-and-such a virus got into machines mainly because security updates available from the manufacturer for months were simply not installed. Dan makes sure that the reader understands how shortsighted that approach really is. The updates are usually free, and just take a little time to download and install. Always Use Protection explains exactly how to do that and why it's a good thing.

The configuration chapter describes many little tweaks available to harden your browser and e-mail reader. Many people are not aware of the number of 'dials' they can play with (and if they were, they'd probably be overwhelmed), but this chapter zeroes in on the most important ones.

If this book was only chapter 9 - What to Do When You've Been Hit - it would still be worth the cover price. In this chapter, Dan gives a careful, step-by-step menu of what you can and should do to recover as much as you possibly can, eradicate the malware that is causing the problem, and get your system back to a usable state. It's the one chapter he says you shouldn't read front-to-back, but follow the links (if you see this, go to this section) like one of those make-your-own-ending books. I have this one bookmarked for future reference.

The next four chapters form Part II - Protecting Your Privacy. In here, Dan explains the various ways your personal information can be gleaned, mostly from a user innocently filling in a form supplied by a con artist. He talks about identity theft and what it means to a teenager. The need for good passwords is clearly discussed, but he acknowledges that most people won't use strong enough ones. Therefore, he promotes a simple plan with three passwords (high, medium, and low-security) that will work in most cases. He ends off this part with a good treatise on cookies of all forms, and how to turn off the worst ones.

Finally, he talks about protecting yourself in chat rooms and from common scams. While there is a lot of press about teenagers being lured by scoundrels in chat rooms, Dan notices that the actual statistics are very low. Regardless of the statistics, he gives extremely good advice about how to use a chat room safely (mostly involving lying about almost any bit of personal information you might be asked for).

The appendixes have good summary information for teens and adults, and have a special appendix just for the parents. It give good advice to make sure your teenager is willing to come to you for question without worrying about losing online privileges.

All in all, Always Use Protection should be read by every parent and, hopefully, by their kids. I'm going to try to get my 15- and 13-year old to read it (Good luck to me! You should have seen the arguments to get them to finish their summer reading!) I liked the approach, the content, and the presentation so well, I had to rate this a 10.

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307 comments

  1. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    it feels so much better without!

    oh yeah, first post.

    1. Re:But... by Baka_kun · · Score: 1, Informative

      Agreed!

      ive treid to use a "GUI" firewall so many time now, but ive stopped bothering about it.

      so many time has zone alarm failed to regonize a game or program, that runs in fullscreen, to popup its little window saying blah blah is trying to connect to the internet, should we let it? Thereby crashing the game/program. when i click always/yes dont ask again fro this progarm, and restart it, they popup the same question again.

      mind you, norton internet security just blocks everything.

      i want a portblocking software, that lets me turn the tabel, turn off this this this this and that, and let eveyrthing else through.

    2. Re:But... by WwWonka · · Score: 5, Funny

      But it feels so much better without!

      Just wait till you actually have a partner!

    3. Re:But... by dokutake · · Score: 3, Funny

      It doesn't feel better when your junk is covered in bumps and falling off. ... Not that I would know. My friend... yeah, my friend... my friend told me.

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    4. Re:But... by Rahga · · Score: 4, Funny

      To the 1st post, a word of warning: With or without protection, you'll go blind anyway.

    5. Re:But... by altek · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's like wearing a raincoat in the shower!

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    6. Re:But... by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

      Try lambskins. Granted they don't protect against STD's, but man..they get all warm and stuff.... Feels almost like the real thing.

      wbs.

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    7. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or wellington boots in the bath.

    8. Re:But... by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      Or see about picking up an old Linksys router. Really easy to configure & I see they're cheap now ($20 used). I've had mine plugged in for years and never had a problem.

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    9. Re:But... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      The default setting for ZoneAlarm is indeed obnoxious, but you can configure it to just allow outbound connections automatically. You need to configure it into "learning" mode. Actaully, I always configure Zome Alarm in learning mode when I give it to someone else, because I've seen that otherwise people get annoyed and frustrated and just turn the thing off. Besides, even if you get a worm it will just pop up the zillionth box stating something like "" is accessing the internet, allow it? Most people have no idea what it is and just click yes anyway.

      Anyway, the primary purpose of a firewall it to keep stuff from entering your machine, there's really no need for the obtrusive popups on outgoing data, it just causes people frustration.

      If you absolutely must keep your firewall dialogs, I suggest that you preconfigure your games in ZoneAlarm. You can do this by opening up the control box, going to "Program Control->Programs" and using the "Add" button to add your game. Then you just have to click your game's access permissions and set them to checks. No problem.

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    10. Re:But... by Baka_kun · · Score: 0

      been there done that.

      as someone else suggested, an old linksys router, id say id much rather have a hardware fw, like a pix or so, that would be a part of my education, but, they are not cheap, not at all.

      if i didnt state it all to well in my last post, the program control didnt work on my computer.

  2. As the parent of two teens who do amazing things by Sethseekstruth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    amazing in how they foul up thier computer, then go upstairs and foul up mine, and break the ibooks given them by the school, I will say this book is long overdue

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  3. "Interesting" name by RKloti · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You almost had me there, for a second.

    But, alas, no. Slashdot is not going all touchy-feely, as I had feared.

  4. yah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most teenagers are more interested in a)how they are going to get laid, b)how they are going to get drunk. Those who care about computer security are almost certainly way above this book. It's trying to sell to a market that just isn't there. It looks like it's just another wannabe security book, offering very little in terms of actual understanding. This makes it to Slashdot???

    1. Re:yah right by ReluctantBadger · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Thing is that this is exactly the right place for this review. Most Slashbots are not interested in getting laid and getting drunk as they already have a date with a box of penguin caffeinated mints and sweet lady hand with her five daughters. Also, never forget that Slashdot is not the uber-geek haven it makes itself out to be. Most readers are only here on the the "Oooooh! Open Source! That sounds cool!" bandwagon, so a book like this is probably much needed as their actual technical prowess probably couldn't get the VCR to cease flashing 12:00.

    2. Re:yah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps the target audience really is parents, who aren't themselves very technically savvy, with teenagers. Granted it doesn't seem to be marketed that way but it probably makes more sense. In slashdot fantasy world we want everybody to know every detail of the inner workings of the computer and the internet but in the real world most people just want to know as little as possible to make it work.

    3. Re:yah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How in the hell is this post offtopic? The guy is talking about the book that was reviewed!!! How is that offtopic? Once again it is proven, give a person mod points and their IQ automatically drops 90%.

    4. Re:yah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was most likely another paid advertisement. It's not as if it hasn't happened already.

    5. Re:yah right by It'sYerMam · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Bingo. At 15, I have my own Linux box, and know more about security than almost anyone I know in real life. It's possible I know more Linux stuff than my Dad, who's a computer programmer and has years of UNIX experience.
      For me, at least, Appleman was a crap writer. He was patronizing in his attempts at not being patronizing - if you can't talk to us normally without it, then your attempts will almost certainly be pathetic.
      The best way to educate them is to let them piss the thing up, get someone knowledgeable in and say "This is because you did this" If they're not stupid, you can hope that they get it right next time.
      One point is that if they have their own machine, then they will most likely want to keep it nice - if they respect it, they'll protect it.

      I don't believe I said that...

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    6. Re:yah right by Metex · · Score: 1

      By keeping your comp working you can do A and B really easily.

      remeber the old saying on the net... the odds are good but the goods are odd. Doesnt really matter how odd they are if they are just trying to get laid.

      As for B all I can say is BevMo.com sure an adult needs to sign for the package of booze when it gets shipped to the house but most parents do sign for their kids. I was getting my beer fix this way when I broke my leg and couldnt go to my store to get my underage booze fix

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    7. Re:yah right by Justin205 · · Score: 1

      Most teenagers are more interested in a)how they are going to get laid, b)how they are going to get drunk.

      Personally, I'm not... But I suppose many people I'm around in school are.

      But of course I already know how to treat computers, having used Linux since the age of ten. Unlike most of my classmates who throw their laptops around, download free, closed-source software like CometCursor and the like, and who don't have firewalls. I got a hold of one of my classmate's IPs before, and guess what? Connected to port 445 AND/OR 139 with smbclient. And was in.

      (Yes, I am a teenager, 14 years of age, nearing 15.)

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    8. Re:yah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well aren't you the 1337 h4x0r!!!!!!!1111!!1!!!ONE!!!!111!!!

    9. Re:yah right by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      I got street address and a directional antenna.....fill in the rest of the story yourself ;)

      And yeah, same age, so I know a lot of people with unsecure Windoze boxes. Including a fresh IIS install.

    10. Re:yah right by unmuzzled+and+mean · · Score: 1

      It's market is probably more parents like my brother in law and sister, even my mum, who hear me talking about their latest security risk (they use Windows I don't) and are concerned enough to want to do something about it.

    11. Re:yah right by arhar · · Score: 1

      If a parent makes it 'required reading' for their non-geek children, it still does the job.

  5. Well... by EulerX07 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unfortunately, this advice comes a few years too late for people like Libby Hoeler...

    1. Re:Well... by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Her real name is Elizabeth Heller, from U of Wisconson (Madison campus) She made those videos for her boyfriend but cheated on him at a party. He found out and had all the videos put up on P2P sites. She's a cute chick, but cheaters deserve what they get. Last I heard she was living in CT.

    2. Re:Well... by LanMan04 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Incorrect...I remember when I first heard of these sometime in 2000, and I looked her up on the UW directory server (she still went there) and her last name was indeed Heoler or Hoeler or whatever the file was labeled, not Heller. I believe she lived in either Sellery or Ogg, maybe Witte (I used to go there). I also read an article that she was mobbed upon returning to school and had to move into a private dorm, and left school soon thereafter (I believe).

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    3. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's hoeler, and she lived in one of the Sellery's (I think A). I looked it up too back in the day, she was definitely listed in Sellery.

    4. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      She was still around the next year, one of my frat brothers was carpooling back to the hometown with her and played the soundtrack to her exploits in the car.

  6. Abstinence... by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Protection doesn't work.... we must preach abstinence to our children...

    Just stay off the internet until you're 18, kids... (and you have your own damn computer/network to infect) :)

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    1. Re:Abstinence... by stinkyfingers · · Score: 1

      Protection doesn't work.... we must preach abstinence to our children...

      Just stay off the internet until you're 18, kids... (and you have your own damn computer/network to infect) :)


      Until 18? Don't listen to him, kids. Listen to the clergy. You must wait until marriage, kids. Stay off the Internet until you have a wife to tell you when and how you can use it.

    2. Re:Abstinence... by pHatidic · · Score: 4, Funny
      You know my parents never gave me the facts of life, but I always wished they had. I remember I was 13 the first time I learned about / and backslash (\?) on AOL. I didn't really understand it, I just hoped sat there reading in horror hoping leia would suck off Tarkin so he wouldn't blow up Kashyyk with the grenade strapped to his 'rock hard cock.' Then I remember being 14 and see goatse. Oh god the pain. How many years I wasted using Lycos to look for porno before ninenine and later autopr0n came along, and I learned about the titty board on tfproject.org and boobdex.

      BTW this is intended as humor but all of the above is actually 100% true. I'm 19 now btw.

    3. Re: Abstinence... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Protection doesn't work.... we must preach abstinence to our children...

      Just stay off the internet until you're 18, kids... (and you have your own damn computer/network to infect) :)

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      How ironic...

    4. Re:Abstinence... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      Eighteen!? I thought the traditional rule was until marriage.

    5. Re:Abstinence... by benna · · Score: 1

      I know this is a joke but seriously, in my health (read propoganda) class they would tell us "The only sure way not to get get somebody pregnet or get an STD was abstinece." So I Said yeah but the only sure way not to get killed in a car crash is not to drive, but we know people are gonna drive so we tell them to wear seatbelts, why is this any different. They never answered my question.

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    6. Re: Abstinence... by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 0

      Nothing ironic about my sig at all. Why don't you spend 30 seconds looking at the website before opening your mouth.

      I'd expect more from someone with such a low member ID number.

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    7. Re: Abstinence... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Sorry about that...it was supposed to be a joke.

    8. Re:Abstinence... by Hoarke42 · · Score: 1

      If we can't use the internet until we're married, does that mean our mail order brides have to be sent snailmail from a hardcopy catalog?

  7. Walking on broken glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teaching your kid how to avoid breaking windows.

    I'd like to see some clear and concise documentation for using open source operating systems.

    Yankel

    1. Re:Walking on broken glass by TobiasSodergren · · Score: 1

      This manual was on slashdot yesterday.

  8. Is your son a computer hacker? by MonMotha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm sorry, but I read this review and instantly thought of the imfamous "Is your son a computer hacker?" thing that we all know and love.

    That's not to say that it's a bad book or the review is flawed, though some of the comments would tend to tell me that the reviewer isn't as "computer savvy" as I might like in a person reviewing a book. A properly configured border firewall, for example, will protect systems behind it. That says nothing of the duties of many of those "personal firewall" applications that are actually much more than firewalls (spam filters, scumware/spyware/adware scanner/filters, etc).

    I just found it amusing that the adequacy.org article was the first thing I thought of when reading this review...

    1. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by webmosher · · Score: 2, Funny
      I realize this was written in 2001, but I found this parent's statement very amusing:
      If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.
      He also refers to "Programming with Perl" as a "hackers manual". Well, I'm going straight to hell it seems.
    2. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by Tyrdium · · Score: 4, Interesting
      *reads over said site*
      I'm impressed that anyone could truly be that ignorant (and I do in-home tech work!). Are you sure it isn't meant as a joke? Quake as a hacker program... *snickers*

      BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
      Okay, now I'm thoroughly convinced it's a joke...
    3. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by Loco3KGT · · Score: 1

      That site is a sick joke, right?

      from the site:

      2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?

      Your son will probably try to install some hacker software. He may attempt to conceal the presence of the software in some way, but you can usually find any new programs by reading through the programs listed under "Install/Remove Programs" in your control panel. Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash".

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    4. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by MonMotha · · Score: 1

      I'm certainly hoping it's a joke. I certainly was expecting to have the comment be modded funny. The insightful mod was quite astonishing.

    5. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This story apparently came to slashdot before I started visiting, but having read it, I must say it's one of the better satirical pieces centered around computing that I've read. It was very well written, and the links provided were brilliant. I particularly like how the 'concerned' parent links the word 'spanking' to spanking.com, genius work.

      Thanks for posting that article, it was a good read.

    6. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ you are fucking dense! That was sarcasm! It was a joke! How in the fuck could you even think for a second that it was supposed to be taken seriously? You are probably one of those people who thinks that the stories in The Onion are real or who calls up the Phil Henry show thinking that it is real and not for a minute even considering that maybe just maybe it might be a fucking parody!

    7. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 3, Funny

      Okay, now I'm thoroughly convinced it's a joke...

      Of course it's a joke. Now the only question is whether it is an intentional joke or not.

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    8. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Wow, a whole new generation of Slashdotters who are unfamiliar with adequacy.org! I guess it's time for me to move on...Adequacy.org was a site set up by trolls. It is/was awesome, hilarious, sarcastic, and satirical all at the same time. The fact that people here are still taking it seriously is a testement to that. Hilarious. A whole thread of Slashbots wondering if Adequacy is a joke in the middle of 2004. Rofl! YHBT!

    9. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by modecx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was with it until this Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash"....(a bit later)....There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today. A few titles to be on the lookout for are: "Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson; "Neuromancer" by William Gibson; "Programming with Perl" by Timothy O'Reilly; "Geeks" by Jon Katz; "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling; "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland; "Hackers" by Steven Levy; and "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond.

      So, yeah. It's got to be a farce. If not, I'm scared. Very, very, very scared. :D

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    10. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by acebone · · Score: 1

      The best option is to confront your son with the evidence, and force him to remove the offending programs. He will probably try to install the software again, but you will be able to tell that this is happening, if your machine offers to "download" one of the hacker applications. If this happens, it is time to give your son a stern talking to, and possibly consider punishing him with a grounding.

      Hilarious !

      Every time Good Ole' Internet Explorer of America asks for a plugin, the son gets a stern talking to and possibly a grounding :)

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    11. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Thanx for pointing me there, I'd never seen it. I may be showing my age, but I kept expecting him to say that the way to combat this was to start a Boy's Band, with instruments, uniforms and music purhased from Professor Harold Hill.

      "We got trouble! Trouble in River City! Trouble with a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for Pool!"

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    12. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by LGagnon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's from Adequacy.org, a Slashdot troll site. Believe nothing they say there.

    13. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time Good Ole' Internet Explorer of America asks for a plugin, the son gets a stern talking to and possibly a grounding

      Taking anti-static precautions is only wise.

    14. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by notsoskinny · · Score: 1

      I have just read the site, come back to this, and now can't take anything seriously. The best bit is all the comments having a go at the article. It may be a slashdot troll site but it's the funniest thing I have seen in along time.

    15. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by kmactane · · Score: 1

      "A properly configured border firewall, for example, will protect systems behind it. That says nothing of the duties of many of those "personal firewall" applications that are actually much more than firewalls (spam filters, scumware/spyware/adware scanner/filters, etc)."

      I included the second sentence, because it leads me to believe that, by "border firewall", you honestly just meant a firewall, and not a virus scanner or similar device.

      I'm at a loss to understand how a firewall will protect a system from its own user's stupidity in clicking on an email attachment. Heck, I'm imagining the following scenario, which I think isn't too far-fetched:

      Foobar Co. has 50 employees, all using Windows systems. They have a very well configured (even "properly-configured") border firewall, the Windows boxes are all NAT/IPmasq'd, etc. I'm one of their employees. So is Andy Attachment-Clicker, who gets an email worm one day. Of course, he clicks it, and his machine is immediately infected. Then it starts probing all the other Foobar machines for vulnerabilites, a la Sasser. Within five seconds, all 50 of our machines are compromised.

      I don't see how a firewall helps with this. And I thought the reviewer's stance in favor of keeping a personal firewall on each machine was overly paranoid, until I pondered it for about ten seconds. If everyone at Foobar had a decent software firewall[1] on their machine, Andy would still have infected himself (the stupid fool), but he would have gotten a warning when the worm tried to probe the rest of the LAN. Of course, Andy, being the nitwit he is, would have clicked "Allow (and don't bug me about this again)", but then everyone else in the company would see a message from their own firewall, warning about a probe coming from Andy's machine. Heh.

      All that said, I don't actually run my home network like this. But nobody's on it but myself and my girlfriend (who is quite technically proficient; she used to work tech support).

      1: Naturally, Microsoft's WinXP SP2 firewall is not included in this category.

    16. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by MonMotha · · Score: 1

      The word "firewall" has been corrupted by people like Norton and McAfee recently to mean a different thing than originally. Originally, a firewall as something that filtered off things that you'd rather not have people on the public internet have access too. This would let you run fundamentally insecure things like NFS or often insecure things like windows filesharing (SMB) internally without worrying about the internet having access to it.

      Recently, firewall has taken on a new meaning. A firewall is apparently now a device or piece of software that lets you get by without patching security vulneribilities. The solution to these is to fix the damn problem, not cover it with a band-aid. "Firewalling off" a service vulnerible to a superuser level exploit (not like NFS which is only vulnerible to user spoofing, at least in most configurations) is a temporary fix at best. Of course, if it's a service that isn't needed, just turn it off and be done with it.

      The idea behind the firewall was to restore the "privateness" of a private network, and keep it separate from the "big bad internet". Certain things are allowed through unchecked as they are part of the use of the network for internet purposes, while others are simply blocked as they are meant for private, internal use only.

      Application firewalls are a completely different beast. They are desgined to prevent rouge applications from connecting outbound, or to protect against user stupidity. The solution here isn't more software. The solution is to not allow things like this in the first place. If you don't want people to have access to your system without authentication, don't allow it (goodbye NFS, we'll miss you). If you don't want applications to be able to make outbound connections without asking you, make them ask you. This should be an OS feature, not a "firewall" feature.

      The problem here is not the redefining of the word; that happens all the time (look at "hacker"). The problem is that firewall now means two completely distinct things in situations where it's difficult to tell the meanings apart (unlike "hacker").</rant>

    17. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by Olinator · · Score: 1

      Blockpoth the quoster:

      A properly configured border firewall, for example, will protect systems behind it.

      Not from each other, which is a real bummer when one of those machines

      • is a laptop that sometimes visits other networks, or
      • has a user who likes to click on hotchick.jpg.pif in the inbox, or
      • runs a browser unpatched against malicious ActiveX/javascript combinations, or...
      Personal firewall software is A Good Thing(tm).
      Ole

      (Well, except when I have to spend time explaining that the reason GreySlush Defender logged packets going from my [DNS_server:53] to your [$TOYbox:31211] is because, well, you asked for them when you wanted to browse a site on my network.) "Nasty packetses, hitting our precious they are." Sheesh.)

    18. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by kmactane · · Score: 1

      Okay, I'm taking "firewall" to mean something that filters packets based on characteristics of the packets themselves, most commonly: source or destination address or port; or packet header values such as TCP flags. Iptables would be one good example.

      Sure, "personal firewalls" like Norton's or McAfee's may tend to filter based more on which process the packet originates with (or is destined for). But the functionality is pretty similar.

      Either way, I don't see how having a firewall at the network's border will protect against the scenario I proposed. (Unless, of course, the firewall blocks port 25 or some such...) Essentially, my point is that there are many avenues of infection that travel across standard services (such as SMTP and HTTP), and a firewall will not block such attacks (short of stopping the service altogether).

      Of course, regarding things like RPC or port-445 vulnerabilities in Windows, I agree those services should simply be turned off. But since MS doesn't make it particularly easy for the average end-user to do so, I can't fault them for running software firewalls to cover up the problem. And hey, they get egress filtering along with it, so I see it as a net gain.

    19. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by MonMotha · · Score: 1

      The idea is that a firewall wasn't originally designed to protect against that scenario. The protection agains that scenario are educated users (hah!) and keeping up on security updates (in most places, again, hah!). The "firewall" is at best a poor hack to keep things like that from happening.

    20. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by lachlan76 · · Score: 1
      • Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash
      • There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today....."The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond
      • If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking


      • I sure hope that this is a joke.....
    21. Re:Is your son a computer hacker? by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Forget programming with perl, what about The Cathederal and the Bazaar?

  9. Maybe if you used protection by grunt107 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ya wouldn't have teenagers

    1. Re:Maybe if you used protection by savagedome · · Score: 1

      Naw man. Sometimes the rubber just breaks.

    2. Re:Maybe if you used protection by BLAMBi · · Score: 1

      Birth control pills then?

    3. Re:Maybe if you used protection by awhelan · · Score: 0

      Rubber? I don't know how you're protecting yourself... don't you mean "Sometimes the tinfoil just tears" ?

    4. Re:Maybe if you used protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some societies, there are other means availible even if that happens.

    5. Re:Maybe if you used protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, as the father of four children (one planned) I'm here to tell you that there's no such thing as 100% reliable birth control. Not pills, not barriers, and certainly not time of the month. At this point, I'm getting nervous about the fact that vasectomies have been known to heal themselves.

    6. Re:Maybe if you used protection by benna · · Score: 1

      The only sure way not to get in a car crash and die is not to drive. People are always gonna drive anyway. Thats why we tell them to wear seatbelts and not that they shouldn't drive at all. This same principle should be applied to sex ed.

      --
      "It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
    7. Re:Maybe if you used protection by rat7307 · · Score: 1

      I can tell you from experience that it's only 98% effective...

      Proud father of a 3 year old OOPS....

      Remember Ladies... If you drink too much and you throw up your pill in the morning.. it aint gonna work!!....

      --
      Burma?
  10. you bunch of nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why can't my computer take the pill???

    1. Re:you bunch of nerds by 5m477m4n · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should try the patch instead? Then you only need to remember once a week, instead of once a day.

      --

      ---
      Those who can, do
      Those who can't, teach
      Those who don't know how, supervise
  11. I asked myself... by Sensible+Clod · · Score: 1

    where are all the comments? Then I saw the article...

    --

    The difference between spam and poop is that you don't have to dig through septic tanks looking for real food. -- Me
  12. Rubber by SourKAT · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I just cover my computer with a rubber sheet? I could even use cherry flavored.

    1. Re:Rubber by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "Can I just cover my computer with a rubber sheet? I could even use cherry flavored."

      Link

    2. Re:Rubber by kunudo · · Score: 1

      Licking it certainly would be more pleasant that way.

  13. Teenagers? by jstave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there a reason that this information is being aimed specifically at teenagers? I know an awful lot of adults that could use a good straighforward explaination of this material.

    1. Re:Teenagers? by Hank+Reardon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought exactly the same thing.

      In fact, I've got three machines in my office right now from adults that I've got to fix. They've all responded with variations of "You mean they update the software and I don't have to pay for it?" when I asked when the last time they ran Windows Update.

      I guess I just don't understand how somebody can see all of the identity theft, worm, trojan horse, and phishing scam stories in the news and still think they're perfectly safe.

      --
      There's so little difference between politics and jihad lately...
    2. Re:Teenagers? by SuperficialRhyme · · Score: 1

      Having helped out a couple relatives when I visited them with a wide array of such problems I was thinking the same thing. This really shouldn't just be marketed to teenagers. I'll point them towards it but they'd probably be much more likely to read it if it was not marketed straight at teens.

      Perhaps then I wouldn't visit and find their internet connection too slow to use - even for simple tasks (on cable) because of the # of viruses and spyware programs their computers contained. (Over 1000 copies of many different viruses!)

    3. Re:Teenagers? by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is there a reason that this information is being aimed specifically at teenagers?

      Because teenagers are fragile creatures with delicate minds still in formation. You can't expect them to, or their parents to allow them to, read a Dummies book. They need special, age appropriate, handling, or it will take herds of social workers decades to help them deal with the psychological damage of dealing with adult themes in adult language.

      In phrasing your question you obviously weren't thinking of the children.

      KFG

    4. Re:Teenagers? by Ignignot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is there a reason that this information is being aimed specifically at teenagers? I know an awful lot of adults that could use a good straighforward explaination of this material.

      How about households with both parents working and the teenage child(ren) unsupervised from 3:00 - 6:00 pm after school? You don't think there is a reason for them specifically to learn about AV protection etc.? And while this book is aimed at teenagers, I'm sure it would be good for less computer literate adults.

      --
      I submitted this story last night, and it didn't get posted.
    5. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because people are stupid, mindless drones generally. Think about all the dumb-ass things people do in other areas of their lives - is it any wonder they act stupidly around computers too? Thinking takes effort, and most people are simply lazy. They want to be spoonfed.

    6. Re:Teenagers? by sdo1 · · Score: 1
      I guess I just don't understand how somebody can see all of the identity theft, worm, trojan horse, and phishing scam stories in the news and still think they're perfectly safe.

      I have far too many friends and relatives that this applies too, and I can tell you why. They have absolutely no clue what any of the jargon means. A news story that says "Today a trojan spread across the internet attacking unpatched computers and causing a denial-of-service attack on Yahoo's DNS servers." to them reads "Today a blah spread across the internet attacking blah and causing blah to Yahoo's blah."

      They have no idea what it means or how it relates to them. Without very specific step-by-step instructions, most computer users are completely lost. They learn by repetition, not by understanding. You can show them how to do something, but most won't make what we would consider to be a logical leap to the next step.

      They're so used to pop-ups and crashing and a generally poor computing experience that when something is actually wrong with their computer, they won't notice it.

      I wish people here would start to understand that. Even the most basic technical information is lost on the vast majority of computer users.

      If you neighbor says that got a virus on their computer, it's probably because their 2 year old un-updated copy of Norton said they had one. They have no idea what it means, how it got there, and what to do to keep it from coming back. If we're lucky (or unlucky depending on how you look at it), they'll trot down to the local Walmart and buy a new copy of whatever the cheapest virus protection software they have is.

      The news reports? The scam stories? They register as "blah blah blah" to most computer users.

      -S

      --
      --- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
    7. Re:Teenagers? by hurfy · · Score: 1

      I had this book recommeded to me for adults also.

      Cant remember where i saw the review but they strongly recommended it for 'your parents' also ;)

      Got it but havent looked at it yet :(

      After seeing my sister on the web, i'll add clueless siblings as well to the list :0

    8. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got three machines in my office right now from adults that I've got to fix.

      Please do. Then maybe there won't be so many computer idiots to follow in their footsteps. At least, if you get to them in time...

    9. Re:Teenagers? by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      Is there a reason that this information is being aimed specifically at teenagers?

      Because whenever I visit my dad I end up cleaning all kinds of crap off his computer, all of which I'm invariably able to trace back to my teenage brother, despite the fact that he is arguably the most computer savvy of the 4 regular users of the machine.

      I suspect I'm not alone...

      --
      Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
    10. Re:Teenagers? by Thangodin · · Score: 1

      No kidding. My sister is 55 years old, and every time she asks me to fix her computer, I find a ton of crap on it.

      What worries me is the new, particularly nasty spam mail that's out there. Has anyone out there seen the ebay phisher spam? It sends you an email that is indistinguishable from something ebay would send you (though, of course, ebay would never send this,) which redirects you to a bare URL to 'update' your information--including your credit card. Easy enough to spot if you know what's going on out there, but there are a lot of people who don't. Then there's the 'Message Returned' trojans, which come with attachments. These spooked me at first because I thought my machine had actually tried to relay something, till I saw the attachment. But some people will open these attachments, not realizing that they did not originate on their own machine.

      One of the wonders of the internet is that it connects you to everyone in the world... including the most sociopathic and corrupt people in the world. The dirty tricks specialists in the former East Bloc have gone into business for themselves--and they're making good money working with the spam factories. Oh, lucky us!

    11. Re:Teenagers? by arminw · · Score: 1

      My sister who is almost 60, took the battery out of her iBook when it did not respond to her any longer. She had not learned about the force quit function. The iBook would not boot any more, but I managed to save her data by booting it from an external drive. After that I had to reformat the internal drive and re-install everything. This time though I set her up as a normal user without admin priv. This means that she cannot install anything that can mess up the whole system. She has to log in as the administrator first. Windows however allows nasty programs to install no matter what and screw up the whole computer.

      --
      All theory is gray
    12. Re:Teenagers? by Hank+Reardon · · Score: 1

      Sad... I just finished with one of the three machines I have to fix a few minutes ago.

      Thousands of suspicious cookies and malware spotted by Ad-Aware and Spybot Search & Destroy, several trojans and 4 or 5 keyloggers.

      When I told him what all of this stuff does, he turned to me and said: "Do you think this is related to the house the bank said I bought in Colorado?"

      Turns out this guy's had every credit card number stolen, his SSN, all three of his bank account numbers and all of that.

      I wish I had known before I started working on the box, as I would have saved the hard drive and just given him a new one. I did take a 'dd' image of it, but from a forensic standpoint when going to the police, I doubt they'll be able to use it.

      Now for the next two.

      --
      There's so little difference between politics and jihad lately...
  14. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  15. Why Did by jstrain · · Score: 2, Funny

    90% of slashdotters immediately think of firewalls?

    1. Re:Why Did by elijahao · · Score: 1

      Because they're smarter than the sex crazed majority of American Sheep out there. Unfortunately they're not less likely to be sex obsessed if they're between 12 and 25...

    2. Re:Why Did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or asbestos pants?

  16. backups? by joeldg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There should be a chapter in every computer book made all about backups.
    People don't bother to backup data..
    People forget to back up data.
    People need to verify backups..
    SyOps symlink backup data directories and cause $40,000 losses due to data not being backed up.

    That is one of the best ways to "protect yourself"..

    "jesus saves" and all that..

    1. Re:backups? by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      "jesus saves"

      But Moses migrates.

      KFG

    2. Re:backups? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I'm gueesing the easiest way is to just use the backup function in WinXP Home Edition.

      Oh, that's right, backups aren't necessary for home installations, that's why Microsoft left it out!

      --
      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    3. Re:backups? by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Yes, but really, how many people come to pieces these days if they lose their data?

      If you're smart, you keep hardcopies of the really-really-really serious stuff in a file cabinet.

      Back up your bookmarks, your taxes, your email and your pet projects. The rest is just porn / music / video / games anyway, probably replaceable.

      Just take the mindset of all these P2P whore kids. You know the best part about losing 200 GB of media that they spent the last 6 months leeching off of P2P? They now have something to do for the next 6 months :D

      --

      Man is the animal that laughs.
      And occasionally whores for Karma.

    4. Re:backups? by DanAppleman · · Score: 2, Informative
      That's chapter 8 in the book, titled:
      "Backups: The most important thing you'll probably never do"

      Dan

    5. Re:backups? by K1-V116 · · Score: 1

      Nonono...It's "Jesus saves, passes the puck, and....Gretsky scores!"

      --

      Got mead?

    6. Re:backups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares?
      Gretzky scores!

  17. Nope by StevenHenderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sorry but regardless of how good the book is and how relevant it is, it will never achieve its intended goal. A kid is never going to read anything like this. You wouldnt expect a kid to read a book about the perils of not eating their vegetables, so why this? Especially as stubborn as kids are nowadays, I think this author might have a case of bad timing. :-/

    1. Re:Nope by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 1
      You wouldnt expect a kid to read a book about the perils of not eating their vegetables, so why this?

      Because vegetables aren't nearly as tasty as data. The kid may not read it now, but the first time she loses some critical data, or gets suckered into downloading a trojan, then she might RTFM and her world become a better place.

      Especially as stubborn as kids are nowadays

      How old are you, that you've made the transition from "people older than me are ruining the world" to "people younger than me are destroying civilization"? Kids have never been unstubborn. A few days ago I found a great quote:

      The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer mind their parents. Every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.

      This was taken from Assyrian stone tablet dated around 2800 BCE.

      The only thing that changes from century to century is the terminology.

      --
      This is not my sandwich.
    2. Re:Nope by StevenHenderson · · Score: 1

      You make some excellent points, but let me refute/dispute some thing you said.

      The kid may not read it now, but the first time she loses some critical data, or gets suckered into downloading a trojan, then she might RTFM and her world become a better place.

      You make it sound as though a family might keep this book around in a glass case that says "break in case of virus" or something. While your thought surely covers the desired use for the book, I doubt that it reflects the reality of its use.

      Kids have never been unstubborn.

      Sure kids have always been stubborn, but as it stands now, their rebellion is reaching new levels. Kids increasingly will do destructive things or ignore their parents for little to no reason at all. Respect and family values are decaying with each new generation. With a few of my family members as teachers, I hear about it first hand. Sure a lot of this stems back to the apathy of parents, but still kids now are Worse(TM) than they were when I was in, say, elementary school. Again, I think your quote is excellent, and it is surely relevant, but we are just slowly progressing towards the end that it predicts, as opposed to stagnating in that world the author foresees. Show them the world we live in now and they will faint at the sight of what our youth get away with.

      Thanks for your thoughts and insights - it is good to see a Slashdotter reply to a post because they have something truly intelligent to say, rather than to get mod points.

    3. Re:Nope by Hankenstein · · Score: 1

      "You wouldnt expect a kid to read a book about the perils of not eating their vegetables"

      The difference is that you can't really withhold food if the kid isn't at least partially aware of vegetable goodness, where you can take away computer privileges until they become a bit more educated.

    4. Re:Nope by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      their rebellion is reaching new levels

      I'm getting told by my parents about how "In their day" they weren't allowed to go out with friends after 6pm when they were 18/19. It's all a matter of perspective. Why SHOULDN'T I find that just slightly unfair.....especially since most of my friends live a fair distance away and we don't get to do a lot of stuff? You think watching lots of people enjoy their lives while I'm stuck in a cage is fun? Do you? Do you? Things like this are more than "little to no reason at all".

  18. Ohh yeah. by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Protecting Your Machine

    Why, yes, it is a machine. Thank you.

  19. Scoundrel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Did the reviewer actually use the world scoundrel?

    Wow. Next thing you know, words like rapscallion and lollygag will come back into common practice.

    Oh, the brave new world of this still-young millenium!

    1. Re:Scoundrel? by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 1

      ObSimpsons quote:

      "I need to send this letter by autogyro to the Prussian consulate in Siam!"

  20. Breaking things is how you learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it really matter if junior infects the PC with malware? Reformat and move on. Breaking things is part of learning.

  21. The Best Protection by wackysootroom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The best way to protect your children and your PC is to spend quality time with them, teaching them the basics of PC protection and chat room safety.

    IMHO, these things are better taught in person than with a book. The reviewer did not mention actually spending any time with your kids. I hope the book does, because too many people are using books and products like these as a substitute for teaching thier kids in person about computer safety.

    1. Re:The Best Protection by jstave · · Score: 4, Funny

      No! Teaching them about it will just make them think that its OK and they'll do it more! The best thing to do is to explain to them that abstenance from computing is the only way to be really safe.
      Wait... what were we talking about again?

    2. Re:The Best Protection by polecat_redux · · Score: 2, Funny

      The best way to protect your children and your PC is to spend quality time with them, teaching them the basics of PC protection and chat room safety.

      That is very good advice. It is important for parents to sit down with their kids and discuss computer security, lest they learn it on the "streets" or from their friends. Next thing you know, your kid will be sneaking out of the house late at night to go download spyware in some sleazy motel.

    3. Re:The Best Protection by deepfreeze77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, the best protection would be to let them completely break their computer and leave it broken. Give them the install CD, show them how to format the drive and tell them to have at it. After they spend 12 hours reformatting and reinstalling all their garbage once or twice, I'm sure they'll figure out how to stop breaking their systems.

      Of course, this doesn't work if you only have one computer in your house, but I suppose that's a whole other kettle of fish...

      --
      my hovercraft is full of eels
    4. Re:The Best Protection by Cyno · · Score: 1

      The best protection is abstinence.

    5. Re:The Best Protection by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      The best way to protect your children and your PC is to spend quality time with them, teaching them the basics of PC protection and chat room safety.

      Because the rest of us don't live in your magical fairy land where the vast majority of adults aren't clueless idiots when it comes to computers and the internet. You can't teach what you don't know, and I bet more than half of parents with teenage children don't even actually know what a chatroom is, let alone the safety issues involved in using them.

      --
      Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
    6. Re:The Best Protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the best way for a kid to teach their parents. How many parents do you know that know more than their kids (barring a few potential /.'s who may have actually found a way to have children)?

      I sell computers all day long. Parents know nothing - the kids know everything! We need parentsitter software not netnanny!

    7. Re:The Best Protection by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Only works if he's the only person on the computer. My parents have done a lot more damage than I have. Including throwing out HARDWARE.

      Next install will be Debian.

    8. Re:The Best Protection by PatrickThomson · · Score: 1

      Hear hear, I got my first computer from a family friend, my parents were clueless. After the first 2 or 3 times I called him up he just gave me a windows reinstall disk and said to DIY, so I did.

      And when the time comes for me to hand off some POS pentium 2's to my own little cousins, they'll all be linux'd.

      --
      I am one of many. My idea is not unique, nor do I expect my voice alone to sway you. I speak in a chorus of opinion.
    9. Re:The Best Protection by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      That's the way to undertand ALL of it. It's a shame Windows isn't so conducive to such experiemnts anymore. There are a million little things that can go wrong and renter your machine nearly unusable. Back in the day, I broke our family's Macintosh LC 475 so many ways, then fixed the problem, that I got a pretty good understanding for the architecture of hte system and how everything worked together.

      --
      ± 29 dB
  22. Why is this aimed at teens? by littlem · · Score: 1

    Aiming a book like this at teens sounds like a gimmick to me. I remember when I was 13 priding myself on needing no more documentation than a terse man page to change the world. Maybe it's the youth of today - not so tech savvy, fnarr, fnarr.

    1. Re:Why is this aimed at teens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I remember when I was 13 priding myself on needing no more documentation than a terse man page

      Yeah, I know a lot of kids are confused about their sexuality at that age, but what was it about terse men in particular that you found interesting?

  23. when I got my first computer... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

    my dad got me this product called "The Keyboard Condom" and said "son, always remember -- No Glove, No Love".

    1. Re:when I got my first computer... by celeritas_2 · · Score: 1
      I've sean a real life keyboard condom!!!!!

      Actually I dunno exactly what it was named, but it was a piece of plastic that fit over most of the keys so you couldn't see the letters when you type.

      --
      -- Checking emails and kicking cheats `till the day I die.
  24. protection? by El-Kelvinator · · Score: 2, Funny

    What no comments on abstinence?
    Or condoms?
    El Presidente Bush will be muchly displeased!

  25. As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by Weirdofreak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it really that useful given that I run Linux, don't use chatrooms, don't use P2P software, don't play games and have no friends who both run Linux and give me floppies or CDs (when it comes to it, none of my friends do either)?

    1. Re:As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by tekiegreg · · Score: 1

      Naaah you're just smart, and in the 0.0001% of teenagers who are smart about computer usage. *as he deletes the zillionth piece of spyware from his Dad's computer that his little sister has managed to install*....gaaaah....

      --
      ...in bed
    2. Re:As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no friends who both run Linux?

    3. Re:As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 0, Troll
      Is it really that useful given that I run Linux ... don't play games and have no friends

      I'm sorry, but you're really asking for it with a comment like that.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    4. Re:As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Absolutely, positively, yes . Linux exploits are comparatively less common than those for Windows, but they certainly exist. Do you leave your computer turned on when you're on vacation with your parents? If so, what happens if, say, SSH gets cracked and your system is 0wn3d before you get home?

      A good rule to follow is to treat all Unix systems like servers, regardless of what role they actually serve. If your machine is listening on a network-accessible port, then it's your responsibility to protect that port.

      If you're 14 and administering your own Linux system, then you probably have the intellectual curiosity to do well working with computers. However, you don't have even half of the professional paranoia required to make the leap between "competent" and "great". Unfortunately, only time and mistakes will get you there. Just do what you can to make your learning experiences as painless as possible.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    5. Re:As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by xluap · · Score: 1

      OOPS !!!!

      All child molesters who read your comment now know you are a child !

      They could try to invite you home, for doing linux with you, and "other things" !

    6. Re:As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by glorf · · Score: 1

      As someone who calls himself weirdofreak, do you really think you represent the target demographic of normal everyday teenager? I would guess that you won't buy any of the "for dummies" or "for idiots" series either because you refuse to refer to yourself that way even if indirectly.

      And don't think that just because you use Linux that you are safe from floppies and CDs. Both are bootable media you know. And a virus that destroys your partition table isn't going to care if those partitions are FAT32, ext2 for whatever.

    7. Re:As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SSH ? What SSH ? Real men use telnet !

    8. Re:As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Real men pipe netcat into openssl into /bin/sh, but those people are just freaks and I don't hang around with that sort.

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    9. Re:As a teenager (14) who uses computers... by The_reformant · · Score: 1

      I think this is wholly unfiar. As a 14 year old i would say that my ability with computers was comparitively greater than it is now after completeing a four year AI degree. The difference is that of course that when i was 14 there wasnt anywhere near as many threats out there.
      I dont think it has anything to do with age or professional paranoia..after all a 14 yo has all the time in the world to read as many articles as they want about securing a box. In the real world only a handful of people have spent more than a 2 week training course on it...of course experience isnt worthless it can be of a lot of use just maybe not as important as you made out.

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  26. Talk to your parents... by nearlygod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that the net would be a lot better place if we all talked to our parents about safe computing.

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  27. Do you remember being a teenager? by Pi_0's+don't+shower · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The year was 1994 -- I had a 14.4 fax/modem, and was the only person in the house who knew how to use commands in MS-DOS, much less use the net, do some mild hacking, etc.

    I learned more about computer security by trial and error on a piece of crap 486SX than I think I could learn from a book. Why don't more of these parents spend $100 on a crappy old machine than $100 on the best in virus protection and let the kids go nuts? They'd probably learn a whole lot more...

    1. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because 95% of teenagers are only concerned with instant messenger.

    2. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by Pope · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It was 1985 and I had a PCjr and a VIC20. Not a remote chance in hell I'd get bought a modem, let alone pay for the long distance charges. Security? Yeah, I was the only kid I knew with either kind of machine, my neighbour had a pair of Apple 2s.

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    3. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by Phixxr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ditto! I learned the most when I wasn't afraid of breaking things.. I broke stuff, my parents understood it was part of learning, and we moved on. That's where the best learning happens, not in books...

      -Phixxr

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    4. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What sucked more, programming the VIC20 and not having the disk/tape drive to save that COMPUTE program to, or Getting the VIC20 right before the C64 came out. I let the reader decide.

    5. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      You had a 486 in 1994? I envy you...I was dialing into a local BBS over 1200 baud using Telix on a 8086. My parents had all the cool hardware...a Tandy 286, and a homebrew 386.

      (And as a result of my Telix experience, I thoroughly love minicom. Add a serial-to-telnet converter, and have fun.)

    6. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think having a cheap computer to mess around with will make people more technically adept?

      That is obviously not the solution. Athough its a sad fact, the burden of the non-technical falls on the technical.

    7. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by brakk · · Score: 1

      I agree, to a point. I learned the same way (on the same hardware at about the same time too). The problem is, not everyone is a nerd.

    8. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by jasonmicron · · Score: 1

      I agree 100%. That was how I learn anything on the machine: by playing around with it. That is what got me through the MCSE preparation more than any book could do. A+ wouldn't have been a sinch without playing with the system at all. Of course I'm saying this on a Linux-loving site but DOS used to be a great tool for users. It kept the idiots away. Wait until Grandma and AOL discover Linux. All of you /.ers will regret the push for dominance!

    9. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      A PCjr? Talk about secure...

      Did you ever get any software for it, especially shareware disks? DOS had viruses, you know... (emphasis for those virii people)

      BTW, there were a couple viruses for the Apple II. The first personal computer (not PC, though) virus was for it, and was so dangerous that it wasn't let out. The second version had major bugs, so a third version was released, to immunize disks against V2 (this is all based on some stuff I read online, though)... I also heard of some school that had some disks acting up - BUT NOT ALL. It was found to be ANOTHER A2 virus. The ones that weren't acting up were infected with version 3 of that first virus.

    10. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "I learned more about computer security by trial and error on a piece of crap 486SX than I think I could learn from a book. Why don't more of these parents spend $100 on a crappy old machine than $100 on the best in virus protection and let the kids go nuts? They'd probably learn a whole lot more..."

      Perhaps they don't want to pick their 13 year old daughter up from the emergency room after being raped by a pedophile who lured her into his clutches via the Internet someday? Just a thought ... maybe the harsh lesson approach will work well for your daughter if you ever trick some young girl into having sex with you via the Internet savvy you gleaned with that 846SeX ;-}

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    11. Re:Do you remember being a teenager? by Pope · · Score: 1

      First virus I got was on my 386, which I got second hand in 1992. Stupid setup software floppy that was from the manufacturer for setting the BIOS and whatnot infected all my DOS games. I had scanned the HD every once in a while as well as the game floppies that the previous owner gave me, and never found anything. Then I decided to try out that setup program. Argh.

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  28. Always Use Protection by StevenHenderson · · Score: 1

    A little unnecessary for the Slashdot crew huh? Hands can't get pregnant! :)

    1. Re:Always Use Protection by rost0031 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you could still get a disease. Remember what they teach at McDonalds: Dirty hands spread disease. I remember an article on slashdot that mentioned that the average computer workstation has more germs than the public toilet. Ewww!!!

  29. Re:Time for "the talk" by polecat_redux · · Score: 1

    But also that Trojans are bad...?

    Yeah, and so are viruses and worms... the *ahem* internet just isn't safe anymore.

  30. The problem with these sorts of books... by BluhDeBluh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is that it uses the assumption that teenagers - a group that have grown with modern technology - do not understand the basic concepts of computing, privacy etc. I would argue this isn't actually true.

    A better audience for a similar book would be the average parent PC user who doesn't understand why their PC is giving him those stupid Messenger messages, why they should run Windows Update or the average 419 scam to make them better equipt for the world. In my admittedly limited travels, it's been a lot easier to explain technical stuff to the teenage generation, and I'm sure each teenager has a /.-reading PC geek in their class. And, we can assume, any responsible parent who knows about scams, clichéd chatroom use, P2P virii etc would educate their children about this stuff anyway. It's not exactly complicated to explain to people who have grown up with this stuff.

    I also assume the book includes a degree of uninformed scaremongering. Firewalls are not required - indeed, you can safely use the internet without a software firewall simply because they can be easily bypassed by anyone caring enough to bypass them - ie trojan writes. Viruschecking software is not essential if you are smart enough to know what you're running and don't run the average VBS file or P2P fraud (PHOTOSHOP 7.0.REAL.EXE). 4 years with yearly virus checks confirms this.

    And I'm sure that parents treat children like idiots regarding the average "chatroom" use. No doubt the fools who previously gave their names and telephone numbers to random people on the 'net must have got the message by now, and that assumes that there are large amounts of people gullible to be taken in by it.

    1. Re:The problem with these sorts of books... by Kyn · · Score: 1

      is that it uses the assumption that teenagers - a group that have grown with modern technology - do not understand the basic concepts of computing, privacy etc. I would argue this isn't actually true.

      Sure, the book might not apply to all teens, but there is obviously still a market. I know it's hardly a representative sample, but I have a 17 year old brother. He has friends. All of them are dumbasses. They could really benefit from a book like this, or anything that will keep me from having to fix the family computer once a week.

    2. Re:The problem with these sorts of books... by Nimey · · Score: 1
      is that it uses the assumption that teenagers - a group that have grown with modern technology - do not understand the basic concepts of computing, privacy etc. I would argue this isn't actually true.
      I'm here to tell you that there's plenty of teenage lusers out there whose computer knowlege amounts to how to use Kazaa and play games.
      I also assume the book includes a degree of uninformed scaremongering. Firewalls are not required - indeed, you can safely use the internet without a software firewall simply because they can be easily bypassed by anyone caring enough to bypass them - ie trojan writes.
      Hello? MS Blaster?
      Viruschecking software is not essential if you are smart enough to know what you're running and don't run the average VBS file or P2P fraud (PHOTOSHOP 7.0.REAL.EXE). 4 years with yearly virus checks confirms this.
      You forgot "as long as nobody else touches your computer and you don't ever use the thing with your brain on autopilot".

      Furrfu, who modded this fool up?

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    3. Re:The problem with these sorts of books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      welcome back to our planet, because you must have spent a long vacation on mars if you think that most teenagers are tech-savvy. Can they check e-mail and use a digital camera? Sure. But how many are actually regularly installing security patches, taking care to use a less buggy browser, or paying attention to what types of files come in via e-mail? If the damage estimates due to virii and other intrusion are any indication, a rather small minority.

      Just because you can drive a car doesn't mean that you know how it really works. And while teenagers shouldn't be expected to be able to describe a computer architecture, they should possess a minimal level of knowledge that will prevent them from getting squashed on the Internet, something that it obviously happening far too often.

    4. Re:The problem with these sorts of books... by elegie · · Score: 1

      There likely are teenagers who know about security issues, etc. However, there are also likely teenagers who know how to use technology but who are not aware of related issues that come up. They may assume that other issues do not matter because they feel very capable. Some (not all) individuals take a while to become fully mature.

      Some years ago, a teenager got into legal difficulty over a domain name. He created a Web site when he was 10 years old, and he later set up the site at its own domain. However, the domain name for his site turned out to conflict with a trademark held by a large company. The significant issue is not that there was a domain name/trademark conflict. Of more significance is the fact that an individual was very capable with technology yet not legally an adult, and he got into a situation that normally would not be expected of young people. This sort of thing does not happen often but it is worth remembering.

  31. Infected CDs? by 14erCleaner · · Score: 2, Interesting
    He's careful to include other avenues of attack besides the Internet, such as infected floppies and CDs cut by well-meaning friends.

    Has anybody ever gotten a virus from an infected CD?

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    1. Re:Infected CDs? by flying_monkies · · Score: 1

      When I was working front line tech support for a backup software vender, I had a customer explain to me that his system was infected with a virus during the OS load from a CD he received from DEC. Dunno if that was true or he was an idiot (ok, after him explaining how the system crashed I knew he was an idiot).

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    2. Re:Infected CDs? by 5m477m4n · · Score: 0

      Yes! Back in the day of System 7, I got a virus from a CD that came free with MacAddit magazine. I wrote them a nasty email and never bought another issue.

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    3. Re:Infected CDs? by White+Roses · · Score: 2, Informative
      Well, I did get an infected CD with a copy of MacAddict once. I don't recall the exact situation, or which virus it was, but MacAddict was very responsive to my concerns and posted information on avoiding it to their website, as well as sending an uninfected copy out to at least me, if not the entire subscription base (yes, yes, both of us, very funny). I think the circumstances were that they had sent the virus-checked master to replication in the very small window of time between a virus appearing in the wild, and being nerfed by the virus companies. Turned out there was a virus (or maybe it was a trojan) on the master that was so new it hadn't been caught yet. What I remember most is that MacAddict was very helpful, so I guess it's a PR win for them, but that's offtopic.

      It happens rarely, but it happens. And this was a major publisher. I trust CDs I get from my friends less than that.

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    4. Re:Infected CDs? by xYoni69x · · Score: 1

      Has anybody ever gotten a virus from an infected CD?

      I don't usually bash Microsoft, but a few years ago they shipped the Korean edition of VS.NET with the Nimda virus. ^_^

      Personally though, no.

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    5. Re:Infected CDs? by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      Yes. In fact, a worm that spread almost exclusively by CD, the AutoStart 9805 Worm, was basically the only real worm threat on the Mac for that particular year, and IIRC even managed to get onto a couple of magazne CDs.

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    6. Re:Infected CDs? by niteice · · Score: 0, Troll

      Don't think so, since 99% of teenagers burn music CDs instead of data.

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    7. Re:Infected CDs? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Informative
      Has anybody ever gotten a virus from an infected CD?

      Yes, and what's worse is some manufacturers have actually shipped products containing viruses more than once!

      In 1992, IBM accidentally shipped 500 PCs carrying the Michelangelo virus.

      And in 1998, they spread the CIH Virus:

      On September 1998, Yamaha shipped a firmware update to their CD-R400 Drives that was infected with the virus. On October 1998, a demo version of the Activision game SiN that was propagated by users got infected due to contact with an infected file on a certain user's machine. That company's infection came from a group of Aptiva PC's shipped by IBM during March 1999 with the CIH virus pre-installed.
      I love having viruses pre-installed!!!!
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    8. Re:Infected CDs? by colanut · · Score: 1

      Actually, the only Mac Virus I ever saw was on a CD from a some no name software vendor that my friend bought. She fired it up and the little worm got into the system. A couple of runs of Disinfectant and Disk Warrior got the iMac back in shape though.

    9. Re:Infected CDs? by 14erCleaner · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I don't consider Microsoft a "well-meaning friend"!

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    10. Re:Infected CDs? by praxis · · Score: 1

      Music is not data? Bizarre. I'll willing to conjecture that it's possible to infect a PC with a CD Audio disc.

    11. Re:Infected CDs? by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey, interesting idea....huh? You didn't hear that.

      (Actually, it could be argued that AutoRun copy-protection software on an audio CD may be a virus.)

    12. Re:Infected CDs? by Eccles · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I made a CD a while ago to back up some digital photos. When I copied them to a new computer, my virus checker reported that one of the JPGs was a virus in disguise.

      (No, the other images weren't porn...)

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  32. Who ever would have thought? by jmcmunn · · Score: 1

    A geek at a computer would have to read a 'pamphlet' on 'using protection'.

    Seriously though, most of what it takes to protect your computer should be common sense by now to most people. Don't open strange attachments, don't download warez infested with virii, and run a firewall (hardware or software or both) and an antivirus package of your choice. Oh, and don't give out personal info all over the web.

    If you follow these rules, you'll mostly be ok. But kudos to anyone who trys to help the uninformed of the world. Surely, there will come a day when the majority are safe users instead of the other way around. This will benefit us all.

  33. The best protection is DON'T USE WINDOWS by revscat · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The best way to protect your children and your PC is to spend quality time with them, teaching them the basics of PC protection and chat room safety.

    Insofar as buffer exploits, virii, trojans, etc. etc ad nauseum, are concerned, the best protection is simply not to use the most insecure, bug laden operating system on the planet. Ditch it and get Linux or a Mac. Simply put, the biggest security threat to modern computing systems also happens to be the OS that is most widely used: Windows. And it AIN'T cuz there are more Windows isntalls out there. It's because Microsoft seems institutionally incapable of making secure software.

    The reviewer did not mention actually spending any time with your kids.

    Yeah, specifically spending time with your kids and showing them Gnome or OS X's Finder or something.

    1. Re:The best protection is DON'T USE WINDOWS by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right, of course, but the problem is that there are so many people out there for whom "computer" == "Microsoft(R) Windows(tm) running on Intel(R) Pentium(tm)" that this advice will usually fall on deaf ears. (Most of these people have no idea what the words actually mean, of course, but they know damn well that if it doesn't have Microsoft(R) Windows(tm) and and Intel(R) Pentium(tm), it's not a real COMPUTER -- they've seen the Dell ads!) For those folks, a guide like this might be helpful. If nothing else, in the process of trying to secure their Wintel boxes, they may learn something about how computers actually work, and therefore be a little more receptive to technically knowledgeable advice next time.

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    2. Re:The best protection is DON'T USE WINDOWS by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...Microsoft seems institutionally incapable....

      MS would like to make their systems more secure, but they have kind of painted themselves into a corner. Witness their latest service pack for XP. It breaks much existing software, even some of MS's own, and still has security problems.

      If they wanted to make Windows as secure as Macs and Linux, all new Windows users would have to throw away all or at least most of their existing software and buy it all new again. For starters, they'd have to scrap the registry and that would kill most existing Windows programs.

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  34. Great, Protection from protection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    First we are encouraged to use Trojan's for protection...

    Now people are telling us to protect ourselves from Trojans!

    I agree on the whole abstinence thing... My life would be so much easier if my friends didn't call every time their computer gets screwed up...

    1. Re:Great, Protection from protection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, protection means *not* using Trojans.

    2. Re:Great, Protection from protection? by magefile · · Score: 1

      Screwed up? Don't you mean knocked up?

  35. Move back to DOS by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Lets force everyone to know DOS commands before using a computer. That way, they would know enough to maintain their own system.

    One of the BBSs that I used to use, would allow us to drop into an MPM shell, but you would have to answer a questions, "what is the name of the debugger?"

    1. Re:Move back to DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why DOS commands? How would that help them "maintain their own system"? Seems like a non-sequitur to me. If anything they should learn Unix (pick your favorite shell) commands.

    2. Re:Move back to DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Teach them UNIX commands! Because knowing what the ls command does is going to be very useful to anyone running WinXP Home Edition.

    3. Re:Move back to DOS by jasonmicron · · Score: 1

      Yea! Since the majority of the kids in the US use Windows XP Home Edition systems this would be totally useful for them to learn.

    4. Re:Move back to DOS by IPFreely · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Lets force everyone to know DOS commands before using a computer. That way, they would know enough to maintain their own system.

      And while we're at it, lets force everyone to become an automobile mechanic before they are allowed to have a drivers license. That way they would know enought to take care of their own cars.

      I agree that it would be nice if everyone were better at using computers so they could all do what we can do, but that is unrealistic. When I was in support, i made it my motto that it was not my job to teach everyone how to use their computer better, it was my job to make the computer do what they needed it to do. These people have more important jobs (from the perspective of the companies' needs) and should not have to spend their time learning and working the computers till they become Leet. They were their to run the company. I was there to make sure the computers ran smoothly enough so they could concentrate on doing their own jobs, not mine.

      YMMV

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    5. Re:Move back to DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't blame you. I don't have kids myself, but when they're old enough to learn to use a computer make them learn how to use a command-prompt interface before allowing them the luxury of a GUI.

    6. Re:Move back to DOS by Pupp3tM · · Score: 1

      And while we're at it, lets force everyone to become an automobile mechanic before they are allowed to have a drivers license. That way they would know enought to take care of their own cars.

      The problem with your analogy is that people are required to be basically competent at driving before they are legally allowed to drive. Granted, people are capable of causing much more damage with cars than with computers on account of incompetence, but that doesn't mean we should disregard the danger altogether. Think of how much less spam/DDoS there would be if people were licensed.

      We can't judge what people do on their own computers, but when they end up harming others, maybe we should.

      Not to compare sending spam to vehicular manslaughter. It's your analogy... =)

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    7. Re:Move back to DOS by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      "And while we're at it, lets force everyone to become an automobile mechanic before they are allowed to have a drivers license. That way they would know enought to take care of their own cars."

      "The problem with your analogy is that people are required to be basically competent at driving before they are legally allowed to drive."

      Nope. The problem with your response is he never mentioned their being competent at driving, he mentioned their being competent at maintenance.

      Learning how to tweak the grist of web-access is no more relevant to the bulk of humanity than learning how to tweak the carborator of their car.

      "It's your analogy..."

      Not only was it not his anology, but I fail to see where the hell you came up with it.

    8. Re:Move back to DOS by perlchild · · Score: 1

      1) the original article was about home computers, not corporate computers, for whom it's far more cost-effective to pay specialists, than to involve everyone in the security aspect of it
      2) Using a computer securely is a lot closer to teaching someone not to leave the keys in the ignition. When worms get on a system, the system can be used as an accessory to crime, what's that got to do with a car mechanic?

      My own 2) just cancels my own 1) though, there is no thing experts can do to prevent abuse of a trusted computer, if I leave it willfully, or by neglect, accessible by dangerous untrusted third parties.

      This means, we need to get this book in the hands of CEOs too. Everyone should know at least enough about computers that they don't get hijacked. It's akin to saying if your neglectant with your car's keys, we'll still pay for your car if it gets stolen, no matter how many times you do the mistake, it's irreseponible.

      Safe and secure behaviours should be encouraged, and unsafe and insecure behaviours should have a cost, simply because they aren't unsafe just to the person posing them, but others as well. In a corporate environment, that might mean you, as a professional in the field, need to gather information they need to know to keep their systems more secure, apply patches for them, run firewalls and others. But on the other hand, they also need that information from you on safe behaviours, and they also need to follow the security protocols and policy your department dictates.

      Saying it's not their job not to lose their keys is a bit shortsighted. Saying you are providing them with mechanical keyholders that reduce the chance of their ever losing their keys, so that they can concentrate on their work is a little better. But if they don't grasp that their keys are theirs, and should not be shared, you might still have a problem, just a smaller one.

    9. Re:Move back to DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually in the UK, this is sort of happening.

      Part of the driving test includes demonstrating that you know certain vital things to owning a car: checking oil, tyre tread, coolant level, brake lights, handbrake etc.

      A good idea I say.

    10. Re:Move back to DOS by IPFreely · · Score: 1
      vehicular manslaughter

      Say what? Who said anything about vehicular manslaughter? Since when does a mechanic have the ability to control vehicular manslaughter (other than to stop the car from running completely)? That was not my analogy, and please don't put words into my mouth, thank you very much. And it is possible, though not common, for a person to be a mechanic but not have a drivers license.

      The article is not about people who send spam and viruses, its about the people who's machines are the victom of same. If you can do DOS commands and do safe and routine maintenance on a computer to keep the baddies out, that's a lot like maintaining the oil and whatever your car to keep it running smoothly. You look for potential problems on your own machine, whether from within or without, and fix them. If your car breaks down in the middle of the road, it can cause problems, even hazzards, to people around you. Driving is more like programming or running your favorite app or game, not about maintenance.

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    11. Re:Move back to DOS by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Funny, true story - I had XP Pro on a Dell laptop provided for use in a class at my school (and kept it on, even though I was free to erase - needed Publisher, and had never gotten it working on Wine), and I started the command prompt properly (cmd), but then tried an su (I forgot that I was using Windows, not Linux, and that because of XP's broken user system, I couldn't set myself as a Power User like on 2000, so I was an admin anyway).

    12. Re:Move back to DOS by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think of it more as knowing TO install an alarm, knowing THAT when they smash the window, it's smashed, or knowing THAT when someone put sugar in your tank, it's got sugar in the tank. Granted, you do need to know how to put the glass back in, or clean the tank (or think of it as hiring someone (or their creations) to do so, and then the analogy still works).

    13. Re:Move back to DOS by Chasuk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      OFF-TOPIC POST

      Does anyone else remember the series by Stephen R. Donaldson, The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever, and its sequel series, The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant?

      Well, its being continued in The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, and the first volume (of four) comes out on 14 October 2004! Read an excerpt here

      I've submitted this twice, but the powers-that-be aren't well-read enough to recognise it as newsworthy.

    14. Re:Move back to DOS by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...if people were licensed....

      People ARE licensed to drive and there are 40,000+ deaths in the US alone each year from car crashes.

      So if a license were needed to "drive" a computer, I don't think compting would be much safer. Only the state would get more money and another bureaucracy would be needed. If Mac and Linux can be a MUCH safer computer, why can't MS Windows? Extending product liability laws to software might be more effective than licensing computer users.

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      All theory is gray
    15. Re:Move back to DOS by arminw · · Score: 1

      Primarily it's the job of the hardware and software makers to make a safe computer and not the users. They should make it easy for users to choose good passwords for example. Why is it that Linux and Macs are not subject to so much trouble? And don't come with the market share baloney either. It is much harder to mess up either one of these *NIX based system than any of the MS systems. Neither one has the trouble prone, easily accessible registry for example, which if it gets hosed by some malware, can prevent the computer from working at all.

      --
      All theory is gray
    16. Re:Move back to DOS by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      If Mac and Linux can be a MUCH safer computer, why can't MS Windows?

      Because Windows is VERY popular.

      If ever the days come that Mac and Linux have very large portions of the Market, very large portions of the viruses, trojans, exploits, and worms will be targeting these systems.

      This isn't to say Windows isn't insecure, because everyone here knows it is. This isn't also to say that the default installations of Mac OS X and some distros of Linux aren't safter out of the box, because they are. Windows can still be secured by disabling the really stupid shit (if you don't believe this, you don't know what you're doing), but then you're back on a level playing field with the Mac and Linux -- Some stuff won't work right.

      Should people make some kind of massive exodus to other operating systems? Some people definately should. I've recommended Macs to a lot of people I now who have destroyed every Windows PC they've ever owned. Might they do better with a Mac? They might.

      In the end though, the Mac and Linux are insecure as well because there are ignorant users behind the helm. It's only a matter of time before those on their high horses about the Mac and Linux are knocked off by a devastating wave of exploits that they previously felt they could never become victim to. When it happens, maybe everyone will wake up.

      The only real security, is proper education. Don't rely on the software design alone.

      --

      "Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"

      Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
    17. Re:Move back to DOS by unmuzzled+and+mean · · Score: 1
      But in reality your job was no less important because without those tasks being done none of the others could get on with theirs.

      A simple prinicple I think gets overlooked all too often especially be those pulling multi-million euro salaries.

    18. Re:Move back to DOS by giminy · · Score: 1

      And while we're at it, lets force everyone to become an automobile mechanic before they are allowed to have a drivers license. That way they would know enought to take care of their own cars.

      I'm kind of a fan of this idea, actually, at least for basic stuff (how to tell your brakes and tires are okay, at the very least).

      <anecdote>
      A few years ago a friend of mine got in a pretty serious car wreck. For weeks before it happened, her brake pedal had been getting spongy (when she was slowing down, the brake pedal would gradually drop to the floor and lose pressure, so she had to pump it). She just assumed that she had to add a little more brake fluid and everything would be okay. This wasn't the case...gradually dropping pressure like that was a sign that her master cylinder was going, and that's exactly what happened and what caused her to get in the accident -- her brakes completely failed.
      </anecdote>

      So yeah, teaching people how to make sure their car will stop would be good...

      --
      The Right Reverend K. Reid Wightman,
    19. Re:Move back to DOS by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...the Mac and Linux are insecure....

      I'm not sure about Linux, but on a Mac, if the user does not have admin privs and the root user is disabled (default) it is very difficult to screw up the ENTIRE system. A stupid user might open some malware that could hose his/her account, but the executing malware would not likely be able to write to other parts of the system. That is why some education IS required, namely that when the system is first set up, out of the box, the user should set up the first account as an admin(default) and then make an every day account without admin priv. The admin account should only be used to install things or make system wide setting changes. Apple could make the initial setup procedure help in this sort of thing.

      The *NIX based computers were designed from the beginning as a multi-user setup and always had to be more secure than Windows, which is still basically a single user system, and always will be until MS gets rid of the registry.

      So if the *NIX based systems would be in the majority, the amount of malware able to affect users would drop by at least 2 orders of magnitude and anti-virus makers would go hungry. There are millions of Macs, yet I don't know of a SINGLE virus that is in the "wild" that will affect a Mac total system that is set up as I have stated. Even the old OS9 did not have many viruses.

      --
      All theory is gray
  36. As a teenager (17) who uses computers... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    I actually do use P2P software, play games, use chatrooms and IM -- but I do it all on Linux. Furthermore, all people ever send me are images, music, and such -- and all my friends have broadband, so I never get CDs from them. In fact, one has a mac, two use Firefox, and one isn't even allowed to install software.

    Unless a root exploit is discovered in mplayer, I figure I'm pretty safe.

    Should I write a book about how to _really_ protect yourself?

    --
    Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
    1. Re:As a teenager (17) who uses computers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless a root exploit is discovered in mplayer, I figure I'm pretty safe.

      So you run mplayer as root?
      --From a fellow teenager

  37. What a relief... by Sandman69 · · Score: 0

    We can all put our tin foils hats back on!

  38. stereotypes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a 15 year old, I resent the implication that teenagers aren't knowlegable. Even as I sit here, dist-upgrading my server farm through a dancer's shell, I can feel the network shuddering as spam is relayed through my parents two computers, out onto the internet. It would take me less than 30 seconds to find a windows box at school that is thoroughly compromised, and spamming / DDoS'ing something. It's not like we write the code that gets exploited..

    1. Re:stereotypes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like we write the code that gets exploited..

      Yeah, but that's only because you're not old enough to get a job writing commercial stuff.

      Come on Microsoft... down with ageism! 15-year-olds are just as capable of writing insecure code as any of your college grads..

  39. a book isn't the the answer by Nuttles · · Score: 1

    If a person is willing to pick up a book about a computer and go through it, doing what it says, then they will probably be alright when in comes to security. The problem is that people don't generally care about security. They think that it will happen to someone else. When something does happen to them, they wonder why, but only until someone fixes their problem. In the end, as long as someone gets them back and running they still don't care. The answer is not a book, no matter how good it is. I don't pretend to know the answer to the problem of security, but what I think is that first people have to care enough about it to put their time into it. Right now, I don't think people in general care that much.

    Nuttles
    Saved by Grace

    1. Re:a book isn't the the answer by mjkjedi · · Score: 1

      I agree: this book isn't the answer, it's the question. "Yes" is the answer!

      Yeah, that was bad... but I do seriously agree.

  40. Don't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Protection doesn't work.... we must preach abstinence to our children...

    Just stay off the internet until you're 18, kids... (and you have your own damn computer/network to infect)

  41. Nooo! Forced to RTFA! by loqi · · Score: 0

    The /. I knew and loved is no more.

    --
    If other reasons we do lack, we swear no one will die when we attack
  42. Are you kidding? by xYoni69x · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am a teenager, and it's *my* job to secure the network, install Firefox and an anti-virus on computers used by my family, and basically be the IT department around here, because nobody else knows how.

    It should be the other way around. If my parents and sisters read such a book, maybe I'd get less tech support requests.

    --
    void*x=(*((void*(*)())&(x=(void*)0xfdeb58)))();
    1. Re:Are you kidding? by KanshuShintai · · Score: 1

      How is this funny? It's too sadly true to be funny...

    2. Re:Are you kidding? by Vilim · · Score: 1

      Same here, except I am about to be laid off ... of sorts.

      Since my dad got a job in some hick town in Southern Ontario without a university, I am staying in Thunder Bay and continuing to attend university. This means that when my family has computer problems down south, they must *gasp* apply some problem solving skills! .... or phone me. Whatever.

      --
      History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it - Sir Winston Churchill
    3. Re:Are you kidding? by JakeThompson1 · · Score: 1

      I am the IT department at a local small business. I inherited a network put in by "computer companies" with ABYSMAL security. The business system runs on a SCO UNIX server with NO passwords on the accounts. An 802.11b wireless network was installed with NO WEP or MAC address whitelist--basically customer information was being broadcast in the air. The password on the access point was the default. There was a two-way satellite internet connection connected to a Windows system running Sygate. So the business could have been the local h4x0r hotspot for all anyone knew, and of course there was NO LOGGING that anyone could have used to find out. A part of the business requires connecting to a central agency with a terminal emulator. The central agency required broadband Internet access and gave the choices of DSL, Cable, or Satellite exclusively! DSL and cable are not available at the business location, so that's right, they REQUIRED Satellite, with its 3 second roundtrip latency, for an interactive terminal session! Luckily I have straightened things out and we are getting ISDN installed soon.

      The problem isn't teenagers. It is the desire of companies who sell networking products to make them as "user-friendly" as possible, and in this case, it even caught a professional computer service!

    4. Re:Are you kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, uh, what are they going to do next year when SCO doesn't sell them Unix anymore?

    5. Re:Are you kidding? by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      I guess I have it easy...my Dad's extremely technophobic, but he runs software update on his mac like every week.

      My brother using my PC box, on the other hand....

      --
      When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
    6. Re:Are you kidding? by JakeThompson1 · · Score: 1

      Keep using it anyway--they used SCO System V/386 3.2 until early this year.

    7. Re:Are you kidding? by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      When you're in college, being the techie can be great if you play it right. Yesterday, I spent most of the day in the girls' dorm changing ink cartridges and doing other shit for attractive, single girls who were very impressed by my showing of even the slightest geek skills. Many friendships were made.

  43. Rewrite it for Geriatrics by macz · · Score: 1
    The Pre-baby boomer generation needs to have this sugar-coated pablum shoved down their e-mail virus opening, AOL using, hanging bare ass off the internet without a firewall with a windows 9x machine using, throats. Forcibly if necessary.

    Somebody rewrite it in the same ouvre that Caroll O'Connor used so effectively in "All In The Family"

    "Awww geeeez! Don't open that email you meathead!"

    They invented the stuff, let us use it.

    (I'm just pissed that they will always be able to hold that "saved the world from hitler" thing over us for eternity.)

    --
    ...But I digress. TREMBLE PUNY HUMANS!ONE DAY MY SPECIES WILL DESTROY YOU ALL!
    1. Re:Rewrite it for Geriatrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't know that Mussolini and the Fascists were Muslims.

      You're right about one thing though; this guy *is* a fucking dipshit.

  44. And for those of us not running Windows?? by talexb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Funny, my 16 year-old stepson is using the Mandrake Linux installation I set up for him -- he can boot to Windows 98 to play games, but that's a vanilla installation, and not configured for networking. My LAN is protected by a dynamite router by NetGear -- the only port that responds is 22, and that goes to my Linux box. So really the only part of this book that's relevant is the part about identity theft.

    1. Re:And for those of us not running Windows?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netgear? What the...? Seems to me you should use something a little more advanced, seeing how you use linux & all.

    2. Re:And for those of us not running Windows?? by contagious_d · · Score: 1

      he can boot to Windows 98 to play games

      Win98? I am calling the DHR.

      --
      - /home is where the food is.
  45. Re:As the parent of two teens who do amazing thing by NIN1385 · · Score: 0
    That is why you teach a kid how to use the damn computer before they even sit down. I can't tell you how many times ignorant people at my work hand their laptop to their kid so they can play cartoon network on it, then the next day the computer is loaded with spyware and their asking me why it's all fucked up.


    If your kid is using a computer, you are responsible for not only making sure they stay away from bad content, but also that they know the basics of how a computer works and what to do in every possible situation. Once again my idea of requiring licenses to use computers comes into effect.

    --

    If carrots got you drunk, rabbits would be fucked up. - Comedian Mitch Hedberg R.I.P. 03/30/68-2/24/05
  46. NEW FLASH! by agtorange · · Score: 1

    In a related topic freestyles one of the worlds largest condom manfature recently placed a bid to buy out Symantec.

  47. 10/10 ? by ab762 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is this really a perfect technical book? or is the reviewer a close friend of the author? Nothing is dated, nothing is misunderstood?

    I've never read a technical book I'd rate 10/10 ... 9/10 is reserved for the greats like Tannenbaum on networking, K&R on C - and books only get that rating in retrospect. (Usually when I buy the second copy, either because I wore one out or to have one at home and one at work.)

    1. Re:10/10 ? by DanAppleman · · Score: 1
      No, I don't know the reviewer (or at least I don't recall having any connection with him - I've met a lot of people over the years).

      And no, I too wouldn't give it a 10. There's always room for improvement.

      But in terms of the criteria by which you would judge this, I'd place other factors over technical accuracy. While I certainly made every effort to be accurate and timely, my top priority was to make sure it was understandable to the average computer user, starting from about age 13. That included making it entertaining enough so my readers wouldn't use it as a cure for insomnia (a problem all too many technical books suffer from).

      The real measure of success for this book is whether people reading it can understand it and use what they learn to make their computers more secure.

  48. viruses by syrinx · · Score: 1

    don't download warez infested with virii, ...don't try to make up psuedo-Latin plurals that don't make any sense...

    --
    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
  49. Re:always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's comments like yours that makes slashdot worth reading.. Why bother comming up with something intelligent, when you can repeat someone elses boring joke?

  50. from my experience... by maxpublic · · Score: 1

    ...it's the parents who need this book, not the kids. The older the user, the more likely that user is to be completely and utterly clueless.

    When I was teaching kids computers, aside from the occasional porn background image (like farts, it never seems to get old to teenage boys) they weren't the ones I had to worry about. It was the teachers and administrative staff that continually fucked up the system.

    Max

    --
    My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
    1. Re:from my experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was teaching kids computers

      Is this where they caught you fondling little boys?

      How was prison Max?

  51. Online games and firewalls - Halo by sheetsda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Firewalls are discussed in detail, as well as their possibly unintended consequences (an online game refuses to run because a critical port is being blocked by the firewall, for example)

    This reminded me of a recent disturbing incidedent at a LAN party I was hosting. We were playing Halo, behind my router, configured with a firewall and NAT; DMZ was off, one of my guests was hosting the server so no unintentional rule in the firewall would've been forwarding him traffic from the outside (he was also DHCPed, further reducing the likelyhood, AND I checked the rules later), we had set up no additional firewall rules to allow people on the internet to connect to the Halo server, to our surprize and my chagrin, people outside my router were able to connect to the server apparently being run inside my LAN, somehow bypassing my firewall. Everyone at my LAN party has a good bit of network and computer experience, but this left us scratching our heads. We had always assumed Halo did the standard client-server thing and waited for clients to connect to it on some port. To this day I'm still not quite sure how it happens; my best guess is Halo connects to some master server which instructs to connect to the client machines, or (more likely) clients connect to the master server and data flows through it on its way to the game server. Anyone know for sure how Halo's doing this?

    1. Re:Online games and firewalls - Halo by ab762 · · Score: 1

      for sure -- no. But lots of things can be done with standard ports that are likely open, such as http, telnet, and smtp.

    2. Re:Online games and firewalls - Halo by sheetsda · · Score: 1

      All inbound traffic except on a few (two as I recall) specifically set up ports are stopped, of the remainder only one or two ports are not stealthed, those that are open are forwarded to SSH daemons on specific machines, none of which was the machine hosting the server.

      standard ports that are likely open, such as http, telnet, and smtp. -- what kind of fool do you take me for?

    3. Re:Online games and firewalls - Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Everyone at my LAN party has a good bit of network and computer experience"

      apparently not.
      you geniuses can start here:
      http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=829473

      that should clue you in, if not just follow up this post and I'll hold your hand to the next step.

    4. Re:Online games and firewalls - Halo by Drew+M. · · Score: 1

      If the request came from the inside, similar to a P2P push request, clients outside can easily connect to the server. As long as the connection initiates from inside the firewall to connect to the player, NAT does you no good and anyone on the internet can connect to your server.

    5. Re:Online games and firewalls - Halo by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      1. Anyone who has even the slightest network experience has helped others, and has the people skills not to ad-hominem people.

      2. This is unique to Halo. There are worlds of network administration and computer knowledge apart from any game.

    6. Re:Online games and firewalls - Halo by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

      Some sort of "NAT punch-through"?

      http://www.mindcontrol.org/~hplus/nat-punch.html
      http://midcom-p2p.sourceforge.net/

  52. It's about time we had a talk about your sig... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A free iPod? More like a scam, or more specifically, a pyramid scheme.

    I suggest you read this site to learn more about them...

    I think P.T. Barnum had something to say about this...

    1. Re:It's about time we had a talk about your sig... by randomblast · · Score: 1

      uh... that's not in his sig...

      --
      ...these aren't my real teeth.
  53. Re:Time for "the talk" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Help me get a free ipod, and you can get one too!

    No no, help me find my car keys and we'll drive out of here!

  54. Why do you think the parents know? by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    OK, I'll agree the average /.er knows. But the average parent is at least as clueless about these things as the neophyte teen.

    I think in some cases, a good answer is the parent reading the book, then discussing things with their teen. In others, just read the book, then have your teen read it. Maybe quiz them as part of their test before getting their "internet license" (giving them access).

  55. kids these days by ch-chuck · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gheez, Back in my day, the only hazard of using computers was getting your tie caught in the chain printer.

    --
    try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
  56. Safety in Chatrooms by canfirman · · Score: 2, Funny
    Regardless of the statistics, he gives extremely good advice about how to use a chat room safely

    That's why I only chat with my new friends who want to give me $10,000,000, as long as I give them my banking information.

    --
    It is not our abilities that show what we truly are... it is our choices.
  57. typo correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    master server which instructs to connect to the client machines,
    should say "master server which instructs the game server to connect to the client machines (SYN packet outbound rather than inbound),"

  58. When you've been hit by Doctor+O · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Dan gives a careful, step-by-step menu of what you can and should do to recover as much as you possibly can, eradicate the malware that is causing the problem, and get your system back to a usable state"

    The only way to a secure system after being hit is recovering your data, formatting the drive and reinstalling. If your machine has been compromised, there can *always* be other malware installed through the backdoors it opened. If the chapter is only about the above, without the reinstall part, it's not doing the readers much good.

    --
    Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
    1. Re:When you've been hit by geekoid · · Score: 1

      thats crap.
      If you understand how you have been hit, then you can remove it.
      Your suggest is right up ther with the 'lets change something and see if that fixes the bug' type of software development.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:When you've been hit by Doctor+O · · Score: 1

      That's so dumb it must be a troll.

      If you understand how you have been hit, then you can remove it.

      And if you don't know whether there have been secondary 'hits', will you check your system in detail, every little bit where secondary malware, maybe handcrafted even, might hide? Even if you *do* know, it'll take hours, maybe days, and you can't be safe at all because I might have just sneaked in a nice IIS module which you didn't think of as an attack vector and you'll still be fucked.

      Recovery + reinstall takes what, two hours at most? If you're a good boy and have backups of your data, it'll likely be less. If you really go the long way, you're either not using computers long enough and still view them as a toy, not the tool they are, or you're plain stupid.

      Your suggest is right up ther with the 'lets change something and see if that fixes the bug' type of software development.

      D'oh. You're getting absurd. Reinstalling from scratch barely is "lets change something". And it "fixes the bug" which isn't one but a compromise, because it's the only sane thing to do.

      IHBT. HAND.

      --
      Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
  59. Subliminal messages by Wild+Bill+TX · · Score: 5, Funny
    Virtual Girlfriend
    Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday August 24, @11:40AM
    Always Use Protection
    Posted by timothy on Tuesday August 24, @02:30PM
    Is it just me, or is Slashdot messing with us?
    1. Re:Subliminal messages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magi PZC says: "Yep."

    2. Re:Subliminal messages by The_reformant · · Score: 1

      does that mean that i only need to virtually use protection??

      --
      I have discovered a truly remarkable sig which this post is too small to contain.
  60. If your girlfriend has worms... by bgeiger · · Score: 1

    ... don't you think it's time to take her to the vet?

    --
    o/~ All God's children shall be free in Pirates of the Caribbean, when we reach that Magic Kingdom in the sky... o/~
    1. Re:If your girlfriend has worms... by polecat_redux · · Score: 1

      ... don't you think it's time to take her to the vet?

      I tried that, but most vets are simply too judgmental regarding my choice of lifestyle.

  61. What's with /. today? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First the virtual girlfriend and now this? Next thing you'll be telling me is that it's normal not to be living in ones parent's basement.

  62. protection... by Oceanplexian · · Score: 1

    alright..tell me if my gaurdian internet angel has been watching me...no firewall..no viruses..cable internet..windows xp home (and some linux)......and no windows security updates besides sp1....i've downloaded gigs of stuff including executables, and all this for 6-7 years. hmm, im starting to believe that viruses dont exist....oh yeah, and i use NO antivirus software whatsoever!

    1. Re:protection... by bluenova · · Score: 1
      I call bullsh*t on this one.

      I have to put the windows security updates, Zone Alarm, and AVG on CD, because anytime I tried to set up a new box for someone on cable internet, or DSL, the box would be infected before the updates downloaded.

      Besides, if you've never run a virus scan on your machine, how do you know it's NOT infected?

    2. Re:protection... by Catiline · · Score: 1
      Setting aside the "XP/broadband for six years" implied in your comment --

      How are you sure (if you don't run virus scanners, et al) that you aren't filled to the gills with them? The days of the destructive virus are -- by far and large -- over. A worm that "silently" spreads and keeps the system alive is likely to spread longer than one that eats machines.

      There isn't going to be a blue screen or some window popping up: "Thanks, slob, I'm infecting the world with Nimda!" Quite honestly, I'd suspect your machine is 0wned, if you are running it the way you claim.
    3. Re:protection... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows XP came out fewer than 6 years ago, afaik.

    4. Re:protection... by Oceanplexian · · Score: 1

      guess what..yes, i do inspect every process, and i do know that i am not running any firewall or virus scanner. i check every startup item, and have never had a problem. i know what traffic enters and exits my system. so for me, most security stuff is BULLSHIT. if i have a problem, i'll get out my recovery bootdisk. if that doesn't work (boot sector virus). then screw that computer, it's too old anyhow.

  63. Re:OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I would be embarressed to have a sig like that. It is like spam. It is crapflooding. It is like those people who use their personal website name as their user name, and as their contact address and they put a link to it in their sig. You'd think that they would be ashamed or something.

  64. what DOS will and won't do by norminator · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Using DOS Commands teaches people a certain amount of stuff, but doesn't do much to help kids learn about avoiding the crap of the Internet. It is true that someone who has a working knowledge of DOS (or Linux CLI or whatever other unfriendly interface) is more likely to better respect the machine he/she is using, but that still doesn't help a person to know what is dangerous on the Internet and how to avoid it. I grew up on an Apple II+, moved on to DOS, then Windows 3.0 and up from there, but some of the stuff I was blindly downloading off the Internet 5 years ago would totally hose my computer if I was downloading it today. Most of the reason I learned to be more careful was working computer support at a university, where I saw other people screw up their computers. The best teacher is either going to be watching other people screw up, or screwing up yourself. The next best teacher is probably a book like this, if people will actually sit down and read it, and if the information in it is up to date and accurate.

  65. Adults need the education by mmmmmhotpants · · Score: 1

    "I will be a responsible parent and teach my kids about safe computing, let me just open this party-pics.exe attachment from this unspecified sender first."

    Last I heard it was the kids that were spanking the adults with the trojan horses.

    --

    can't sleep. clowns will eat me.
  66. DOS? by Aldric · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's be a little more sensible and teach them BASH commands, far more useful.

  67. The metaphor stops here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in my day we didn't have to worry about getting no viruses. We were just worried about getting the vacuum tubes pregnant.

  68. Teens don't care by niteice · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They don't. No person the age of 11-18 cares about computer security...yet they come to me when their PCs "don't work right".
    I'm 13. I know how these people work. I've seen cases that belong on Computer Stupidities, like attempting to reconnect a mouse+keyboard and electrocuting themselves (bent pins). They have no idea about keeping their computers free of spy/adware. ("viruses"...) They expect their computers to work perfectly, or assume everything included in Windows XP will keep them free of virii/spyware/adware. I look at my classmates' home computers and they are destroyed to the point where a format/reinstall would be a quicker fix. These people don't think they are going to encounter the things discussed in the book and therefore don't bother with anything.

    --
    ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
    1. Re:Teens don't care by Zareste · · Score: 1

      I think you're referring to not-so-savvy teenagers (and extending that indefinitely), which doesn't say much at all. I've dealt with a million adult dunces and maybe one or two teenaged ones.

      --
      I am NOT a number! I am a - oh wait, I'm number 761710. Look! 761710!
  69. Three words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kerio Personal Firewall

    It still does the flash up thing if it detects an app it doesn't like, but I belive you can turn that off. In any case, it hasn't crashed a single full screen game for me--like ZA regularly did. It will either minimize the game, or pop a little window up infront of the game, and prompt you.

    It will also alert you if a known good program has been replaced. In all, it's tons less intrusive than Zone Alarm, and MUCH less bloated, and you can create your own rulesets pretty intuitively...

    1. Re:Three words: by MrPeach · · Score: 1

      I agree completely. I use the previous incarnation of this program (Tiny personal firewall, freeware if you can find it) and I have nothing but positive things to say about it. I use it on my mail machine to block all port 25 accesses from Asia and my spam load lightened greatly.

  70. Cheaper at buy.com by warpSpeed · · Score: 1
    The book is cheaper at buy.com, it is under 12 as opposed to BN where is is $17. click here

    disclaimer: I have no fiancial incentive for pointing you to this link, etc. etc.

  71. Yeah... by Aldric · · Score: 1

    For some reason, teachers and admin automatically assume that they need at least local admin rights if not network admin rights. And half of them shouldn't go near the control panel in the first place. The only good thing is that most academic boxes are Windows... the thought of one of that lot with root access... *shudder*

  72. oh please, get over yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " install Firefox and an anti-virus on computers used by my family"

    yeah, your a fucking genius to do that.

    Noody else is interested in it. Thats it. If anybodu else was interested, they could do it regardless of age.

    Teenagers are more likly to do stupid stuff with there computer. For the same reason teenagers are more likly to get into car accidents.

    You staement may have had some credibility 20 years ago, but now the demographic for people doing stupid stuff to there computer is everybody.

    Remember your sisters and parents are the typical user, not you.

  73. Re:Time for "the talk" by Strange_Attractor · · Score: 1

    If you're not protecting yourself against Trojans, for God's sake please watch out for backdoors....

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  74. YHBT! by metalhed77 · · Score: 1

    Please, tell me YHBT means something to you. Damn younguns, wouldn't know how to fend off a troll to save their life.

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  75. A few additional comments by DanAppleman · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Just in response to some of the comments I've read so far:

    Teen's don't care... Many don't. But they, like home users in general are have huge problems with regards to security. So what do we do? Just give up? We (and this includes all the knowledgeable teens) have to do what we can to improve the situation. This book is my contribution to the effort.

    Better taught in person than from a book... I agree, but many parents don't know enough to teach security - their kids know more than they do. In those cases I actually suggest flipping it around: teens, teach your parents! I've met a number of teens who have thier security act together - more who just think they do:-)

    Parents and grandparents are a better audience for the book... I've gotten some very nice emails from adults and seniors who find it very readable.

    The title is a gimmick... Sure, but you'll remember it, right? Actually, the title was the idea of a group of teens. I never would have come up with it on my own.

    For more info including the book's introductions visit http://www.alwaysuseprotection.com/

  76. Re:As the parent of two teens who do amazing thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to break my computers all the time. "Lobotomized", the local hacker would call it. I continued breakin' 'em till my dad told me to take it to him, and watch what he does to fix it.

    So, short story long, I went to his shop, sat in a really smoky room, listened to Vietnam sniper stories, some really whacked out songs, lude jokes, looked at more porno than I could have imagine existed at the time (hanging on the walls), and otherwise stumbled around a room stuffed with archaic crap (back when 386s were tried and true)....

    Well, what was my point? Eh... Well, I took up sneaking sigarettes and coffee, BBSing (he was also a BBS op) till odd hours of the night, looking at CGA porno, (WOOHOO!), and otherwise doing stuff that by all accounts that I shouldn't have been doing at that tender age.

    Be glad your kids aren't h4x0rs.

  77. Re:Time for "the talk" by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Actually, trojan condoms are known to have a high breakage rate, and those "in the know" eschew them in favor of higher-quality brands. See also: Condomania. One well-known brand which is of high quality is the ever-popular "gold coin" condom, but beware of the possibility of gouging the edge of the rubber with the metal foil wrapper. Japanese brands are generally quite good but they do tend to run to smaller sizes, this is not a joke. Of course, those smaller condoms will fit most Americans just fine.

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  78. You can expect that to work just as well ... by arhar · · Score: 1

    ... as expecting kids to stay off cigarettes till they're 18, alcohol till they're 21, and drugs till the afterlife :)

    1. Re:You can expect that to work just as well ... by parksie · · Score: 1

      Depending on which drugs you choose, you might get to see the afterlife a bit in advance, then come back to talk about it!

      (A friend of mine once sat and watched the Crucifixion...)

  79. Dan Appleman Radio Interview by Overand · · Score: 1

    Dan Appleman is on the second half of this show, and talks about his book, among other things. http://www.franklins.net/fnetdotnetrocks/dotnetroc ks.aspx?showid=49

  80. Are Tanenbaum's books overrated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are the Tanenbaum books really that great?

    Sure, they can often be very good; but they also seem incomplete in some respects- their problem is that they're sometimes like well-written and expanded course notes, in that they cover certain topics in good depth, but omit other stuff that you would expect to find in a generalised introductory text. (*Any* university course will have biases and omissions, but a textbook should not be that specific).

    The Distributed Computing one in particular seemed to lack a lot of what I would consider general stuff (which I needed for my course), but went into depth on specific topics. Although I 'used' it quite a few times, I can count on two or three fingers the number of times I found it genuinely useful, and even then I could have found the material elsewhere.

    As I said, they're well-writted "pseudo-courses"; which is good if *your* course follows the text closely. However, in terms of all round introductions, I find them patchier.

    K&R, OTOH, is brilliant. I love that book.

  81. Always Use Protection by Quiberon · · Score: 1

    Does it come with a Knoppix CD in the back ? How about a Knoppix DVD ?

  82. Strong swimmers by nomil · · Score: 1

    Weird title for someone who just found out he has strong swimmers ... and no, thats not a good thing :|

  83. Preemptive solution? by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 1

    Always Use Protection should be read by every parent

    I have a better advice: Always Use Protection in order not to become a parent. So you need not to bother with teenagers later.

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  84. Re:Time for "the talk" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No no, help me find my car keys and we'll drive out of here!

    LOL!!!

    A classic! I haven't heard that one in over 20 years...

  85. Re:Time for "the talk" by handsome+devil · · Score: 1

    you'd be amazed how much the check out girl will flirt with you if you're buying "Large" of "Magnum" size condoms.

  86. Is it just me by screwedcork · · Score: 1, Funny

    Don't teenagers usually know how to use computers BETTER than their parents? They absorb and figure it out quickly; its always the old people that are computer-phobic and -illiterate :-). They need to target these books at the 30+ age group.

  87. Users and firewalls don't mix by theblacksun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The standard user can't use a firewall. They will end up screwing things up; I've seen it many times. They inevitably create a bad policy that breaks something, and I've seen instances where this bluescreened the machine. The firewall needs to be at central node and run by someone qualified, not on workstations. Unfortunately for the instances in which there is no central node (i.e. plugging a workstation right into a broadband connection) then I still say screw the firewall: Just stay on top of updates, and hope for the best. It's how we run our department and the hacks are few, far between, very rarely on a workstation, and always because the system is out of date. Well that's my $.02 anyway.

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    1. Re:Users and firewalls don't mix by ddent · · Score: 1

      Corrections: the hacks of which you are aware are few

  88. My Advise To MS Users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always tell Windows users who access the Internet...No glove, no love!!

  89. Am I infected? by Hungry+Admin · · Score: 1

    A security expert was lecturing a room full of sysadmins, myself included. He asked us two interesting questions.

    "Raise your hand if you have been hacked."

    A few sheepish looks from 20% of the attendees who raised their hands, knowing smiles from the rest.

    "All right, raise your hand if you DON'T KNOW you have been hacked."

    Everyone laughed, because they understood that detection is not 100% reliable. Even crusty BOFH admins can get hoodwinked. It's just easier to hack, and get away with it, when the mark isn't security conscious.

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  90. Too late for adults by xant · · Score: 1

    Teenagers can still be taught. They're still impressionable, as it is normally phrased. They can learn the proper way to use a computer. Sure, they'll be more irresponsible for a while, but the training will stay with them and they can build habits on it; for adults, it just won't stick as well if they're not used to thinking of their computer as a dangerous object.

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  91. Let mess things up!!!!! by k33l0r · · Score: 1

    Those hapless users who mess things up on their computers keep all those thousands of support staff in good jobs! So let them mess things up (unless they happen to be in my immediate family...)

  92. Light on Privacy? by RyanK · · Score: 1

    From the review, seems like the book goes a long way to giving a good introduction for keeping yourself secure, but does it really leave out keeping communications secure?

    It wouldn't take more then a few pages to discuss the need for being able to sign or encrypt things and a short tour of PGP/GPG and how they can use it in their everyday life.

  93. Sounds like a great book, but.... by Gigantic1 · · Score: 1

    Let's face it, most kids couldn't give a Rat's Arse about how to protect them selves online - especially from virisus and such. I can see that there would be an interest in identifying the numerous predators that inhabit chat rooms, but beyonf that...nothing else much. Like it or not, most people, and most kids, especially, view the PC as a common appliance - to be used with the minimum amount of effort. And...this is actually quite logical. For most people, other than the extremely computer literate, would be wasting thier time getting too in depth: time they could beter spend on other pursuits with thier precious time. Hopefully - one day - we'll get PC's to the "Appliance Level, but, until then, I guess we'll just have to suffer allthe virus infections, etc. that now are a part of the game. Oh well....

  94. Re:As the parent of two teens who do amazing thing by arminw · · Score: 1

    ... break their iBooks.....?

    The mistake of giving a kid administrator access is probably the reasen the iBooks got messed up. If you have any Mac running OSX, DON'T give admin privs to anyone you think might not be trustworthy or know what he/she is doing. Mac malware is extremly rare, essentially non-existent, but no computer is perfect. If there is no admin access, system wide access is denied and most programs will not install. If some malware does manage to execute, it cannot access any area other than the user's own account. Also there is a warning given to the user when a program wants to run for the very first time, at which point the user can deny the program to start if there is a doubt about it.

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  95. What's worse.. by mystran · · Score: 1
    Personally, I think I am not old enough to not remember what it was like to be a teenager. And yes, I definitely was into computers bigtime. But apart from that, I found out that never ever should one bother to read a technical book, unless you've learned at least a few things before getting beyond the preface. Why?

    If it won't get you any pussy or booze, it should at least teach you enough interesting stuff to make you forget about sex, drugs and rock'n'roll for a minute. If it can't do that, why bother?

    I claim, that while middle-aged housewifes won't understand what the mouse is for, almost any teenager, including those that claim not to understand anything about computers, are capable of learning stuff on need-to-know basis. The problem is that most simply won't care a shit.

    "You should use a firewall and virus scanner on that." "Why?" "Because otherwise hackers, worms and other malware/troublemakers can use your computer to do things like send spam, track you, spread futher and such. In worst case, even to use your computer for serious hacking. Besides, even otherwise harmless malware can cause your computer to work very badly." "Why would they [virus writers, spammers, hackers, whatever] want my computer?" "They just want any computers they can get." "Oh, well, if they want it so badly, let them have it. There isn't important data on it." "What if they made it look like it was you?" "Me? Well, nobody would believe I could do something like that, and besides I'm under-aged anyway." ...

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    1. Re:What's worse.. by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      I am still a teenager, and I had to help someone set up a computer after he FORMATTED his hard drive, without backups, without looking for drivers (did I forget to mention that he had a winmodem, no manuals, and didn't find out what hardware he had before), and TO GET RID OF SPYWARE.

      Most teenagers don't know much about computers. My brother can't get through hotmail registration.

      However, MSN and email have taught us to be sure to check email addresses, and not just the names. A couple of times some friends and I did a man-in-the-middle attack on a couple of my friends....it took a while for her to realise. Ahhh.....the memories. I've downloaded GnuPG since then, of course.

  96. An infected CD-ROM by elegie · · Score: 1

    Back in the 1980s, there was an incident on the Apple Macintosh platform with an infected CD-ROM. The disc was the "QLTech MEGA ROM" disc (Volume 1, October 1988.) The producer of the disc, Quantum Leap Technologies Inc., made a replacement disc to replace the infected one. More details here.

    Viruses on mass-produced CD-ROMs are extremely rare. Homemade data CDs made on a CD burner are a different matter.

  97. What is wrong with these people? by Rallion · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I see people's computers all messed up all the time. I fix them. But truly, I have no idea how they get that way, since I generally know what many of these people do with them. In the last...oh, year and a half, at least, I have never had any problems with viruses. I have multiple scanners running and neither ever even intercepts anything. I have never had any spyware that I noticed ill effects from, though there have been a few possible-data-miner-types. Basically, the biggest issue I've ever had with XP is a little error about IDE controllers since I replaced the motherboard without reinstalling Windows (better than I'd expected...), which just means I have to hit 'enter' when I start up to get the window to go away. (I'd deal with this now, but I'll be getting a new video card in several days and I'd prefer to just do it then.) I'm not a particularly careful user. I click on things I know I probably shouldn't. I have no firewall running, software or otherwise. And still, I get nothing.

    What the hell is wrong with these people?!

  98. Oy, Teenagers... by swankypimp · · Score: 1
    I work at an online computer parts seller. Just today we finally finished a lengthy e-mail correspondence with a thirteen year old customer (we didn't know his age until later.) He had ordered an OEM CPU that arrived with bent pins and he wanted to return it. We sent him our standard e-mail outlining our Return Merchandise procedure and instructions to fill out our online form to begin the return process.

    He responded with a filthy e-mail calling us all sorts of names, complaining that we were making it too f@#king hard to return his God@@mned processor.

    Again we explained that he needed to fill out the RMA form and that we would be happy to accept his return, but there were certain reasonable procedures that he needed to follow. Again more profanity. Another civilized response, and the pattern continued.

    At this point, after a few weeks, he was outside our warranty period. Since he contacted us within the warranty period but didn't fill out the form, we can usually bend the rules and help a customer out, but this guy was such a douchebag that the RMA Department decided not to.

    Then we get an e-mail from his mom, complaining that her little boy's RMA request had been ignored. (This was the first time we realized that we were dealing with a thirteen year old instead of a really immature adult.) So we sent her an e-mail of all the correspondence we'd had with the kid, which included him calling us c@@ksucking motherf@@kers and hoping we'd all "get bent."

    My friend then performed the coup de gras with a snarky comment about how this could serve as a learning experience about how to deal with people and influence others instead of cursing like a sailor. I can only imagine the ass-whoopin' this kid must have gotten.

    OEM CPU: $80. UPS Ground shipping: $4.90. Finding out your thirteen year old has a vocabulary that would make Richard Pryor blush: Priceless.

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  99. anti-virs, bah, who needs it by multi-flavor-geek · · Score: 1

    I have a firewall, and I watch what I do (I am the virus hunter, I can tell a virus from pico'ing the attachment) The firewall is a freebee, and I just run ad-aware because unfortunatly getting rid of explorer seems to cause fatal system errors (don't worry, it's not actually running). And in all reality I haven't had a spyware issue yet, just cookies. Does this mean that I am one of those fortunate few who understood IBM DOS, and APPLE DOS, PRODOS, FORTRAN, and all of the other stuff that I learned and thought I had forgotten, but somehow it inadvertantly helps me?

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  100. Computers and automobiles by einhverfr · · Score: 1

    I agree that it would be nice if everyone were better at using computers so they could all do what we can do, but that is unrealistic. When I was in support, i made it my motto that it was not my job to teach everyone how to use their computer better, it was my job to make the computer do what they needed it to do.

    First, I think everyone should have a *basic* understanding of the parts of a car and what they do. Not every part, but at least the general systems. Same with a basic grasp of electical systems and electronics (What is a fuse anyway?) so that they don't get burned later....

    We have a couple issues specifically with computers though. Our parents and grandparents are less capable of learning the computer than we are because we communicate with it using a certain predefined language, and languages get harder to learn as we get older. It is not like teaching a 60-year old to be a mechanic. It is more like teaching a 60-year old to speak German if his native language is English.

    So what can we do? We can build more transparent systems so that one can more readily figure out what is going on without being completley fluent in the language (Linux excels here). My parents use Linux and hence are becomming better computer users than most even though they still have very common questions about how to make something work.

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  101. should be Always Use Protection: A Parents' Guide by tropavantgarde · · Score: 1
    Number of viri/Trojan Horses/&c I (17) have downloaded: 0
    Number my 15 year old brother has downloaded: 1
    Number my father has downloaded: 2
    Number my mother has downloaded 5

    Number of times I have disenfeceted the computer: 8 Number of times my brother has: 0 Number of times my mother has: 0 Number of times my father has: 0

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