If the vast majority were using it inappropriately we'd be seeing hundreds of these stories.
How so? And who said "vast majority"? We have seen videos of drivers abusing the system. I would not be surprised if many took their hands off the wheel briefly on occasion, particularly after becoming more comfortable with it after using it for a while. We simply don't know how often that happens, nor what accident rate to expect fron that subset of drivers. You seem a little too confident that abuses are extremely rare. Humans don't always behave so rationally.
Yes, you can add features to minimize the issues, but that adds cost. I think you may be underestimating the size and length of pipes that would be required.
Lazy? How about all that effort to build duct-work and properly size and balance AC systems? How about the effort put forth to insulate and seal? Its not like what they were doing back in the day was some great challenge. Even and average home designer today could easily replicate that, with little mental anguish, if they had the need. Is designing porches really that taxing? Big rooms? GMAFB
Unfortunately drawing warm air through a cool pipe causes condensation, then you get mold growth which can cause health issues. Its easier to deal with moisture removal on recirculating systems and with a minimized cooling section length.
Considering the vast majority are using autopilot as it was intended and advertised,.
Actually, we don't know how often drivers are using the system improperly. We don't have that information. All we know is this is the first death reported.
Elon Musk, chief executive, once bragged that a car could almost drive itself from San Francisco to Seattle “without touching the controls at all”.
Saying stuff like this, and calling it 'auto pilot', contributes to the problems of misuse. Not responding to the many irresponsible owner videos of misuse with offsetting public messages of driver responsibility also contributes in an indirect way. Its not about 'doing something wrong', its about what contributed to the situation that resulted in a death and making changes. Legally they did nothing wrong, but maybe they didn't do it right either.
Hey Anonymous Coward, quick question. My brother is an author. How does he get paid for 'performing' his work?
The same way artists through the ages have earned a living: Through the patronage of wealthy benefactors.
For musicians, before recording, one way you made money was to charge for live performances. We are coming full circle. Musician who are talented make good money performing live. Recorded music is an advertisement, and cost a lot less to produce and distribute these days.
I guess you didn't even read the slashdot version of the article that says they can do it 83% cheaper in space..
I read that and laughed. Nobody knows what it will cost in 2045. If you assume we'll have cheaper ways to source fuel from the moon by then, you also should assume we'll have cheaper ways of sending it up from earth. And either way, numbers without considering infrastructure costs are not really that useful.
This. Also Star Trek artificially separates various human traits into separate species.
Star Trek's vision of an alien is a human with a funny looking forehead. Star Wars vision of an alien varies quite a bit, more like mixed animal traits.
Why would you expect the autopilot to detect this?
Because Tesla themselves called it autonomous driving, they specifically call it auto pilot, and they even allow you to take your hands off the wheel for 30 seconds. Its not about doing the technology wrong, its about deploying it, hyping it as 'auto pilot' instead of drivers assist, and not fully considering the human behavior element. Those were contributing factors. There is no doubt that the technology was a contributing factor, but that doesn't mean anyone was 'wrong' or 'right'. Why the need to assign those descriptors?
The "convenience" of impulse buying, so more profit for Amazon.com.
I like to see a picture of what I am ordering and the price before I buy. I also like to check the order before that final click just in case there is a long delivery time or some unexpected shipping fee. Just saying 'buy this' and having the system take over is something I can't see myself doing, however I really don't buy commodities like detergent online anyhow. Adding to a list makes sense.
would you ship a beta auto driver app? tesla would.
the driver was stupid but tesla is doing things no sane manufacturer would do and marketing them like it was a smartphone and not few tons at 100mph..
Tesla is quite lucky that nobody else was killed from a legal and PR standpoint. All this talk recently about the moral decision dilemma of saving the driver or the schoolkids, and in this situation once the car went under the truck the car was going to hit whatever or whoever was in its path. So that moral argument looks quite ridiculous as situations like this are much more probable. As I said on some of those threads, the real issue is avoiding such a situation in the first place. That is a tall order for auto-pilot technology in general.
Yes, I know, jealousy of Musk is a big motivation for you people to hate on him, however if we ignore that for a second..
Then there are those with an undying love for everything Musk, which is hard to ignore. The auto-pilot's performance was clearly a contributing factor, as was the drivers. To push blame to just one or the other seems biased. Clearly the driver was not paying attention. Clearly the auto-pilot did not detect what we would have expected it to.
Anyhow, its an easy solution for Musk. Just add to the fine print "may not detect large vehicles directly in the path of travel". Then he's legally off the hook and we can blame the drivers whenever this happens.
Or maybe the truck really was hard to see against the bright background, and the human driver did no better than the AI.
That's so unlikely that its not even worth mentioning. And as has been mentioned, if your visibility is reduced you should slow down, same goes for auto-pilot.
Unfortunately the Tesla system did not even provide any warnings, you really can't have a similar warning system as planes because you will typically have a lot of cars in the vicinity. So comparing car to plane autopilot is very applish-orangish. Plane autopilot is actually a lot simpler to accomplish.
Allowing the user to have hands off for 30 seconds is problematic for Telsa. A lot can happen in 30 seconds, its an arbitrary duration. Why not 5 seconds?
imho, it should not be called auto-pilot or autonomous driving because its not truly that yet. Assisted control is more appropriate.
These scenarios are just a little bit contrived... I can't fathom any real life scenario where any of these situations would occur with the odds of both options being equal, which is the point where the software would be called upon to exhibit a preference of one option over another.
Maybe the autonomous car should not have decided to put itself in the situation where it has to make a last second decision.
If a deer runs in front of a speeding car, that is pretty much an unpredictable incident (although one could argue, lets not). Its unwise to swerve to miss a deer in such a situation, it better to just drive straight and run it over if need be. But what if the deer is wearing pants?
Maybe selective speeding would be a good thing, like in documentary style tv shows where they feel the need to 'catch you up' after every commercial break. Speeding through those parts would increase my viewing pleasure.
This is how you cash in. Use stockholder money to buy your own company. IF Telsa stock is expected to drop, then the sooner you do it the better, and you don't have to worry about insider trading rules.
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If the vast majority were using it inappropriately we'd be seeing hundreds of these stories.
How so? And who said "vast majority"? We have seen videos of drivers abusing the system. I would not be surprised if many took their hands off the wheel briefly on occasion, particularly after becoming more comfortable with it after using it for a while. We simply don't know how often that happens, nor what accident rate to expect fron that subset of drivers. You seem a little too confident that abuses are extremely rare. Humans don't always behave so rationally.
Yes, you can add features to minimize the issues, but that adds cost. I think you may be underestimating the size and length of pipes that would be required.
Lazy? How about all that effort to build duct-work and properly size and balance AC systems? How about the effort put forth to insulate and seal? Its not like what they were doing back in the day was some great challenge. Even and average home designer today could easily replicate that, with little mental anguish, if they had the need. Is designing porches really that taxing? Big rooms? GMAFB
Unfortunately drawing warm air through a cool pipe causes condensation, then you get mold growth which can cause health issues. Its easier to deal with moisture removal on recirculating systems and with a minimized cooling section length.
Considering the vast majority are using autopilot as it was intended and advertised,.
Actually, we don't know how often drivers are using the system improperly. We don't have that information. All we know is this is the first death reported.
It doesn't matter what i would expect, it matters what the perception is by Joe Public owners and things that influence human behavior.
Elon Musk, chief executive, once bragged that a car could almost drive itself from San Francisco to Seattle “without touching the controls at all”.
Saying stuff like this, and calling it 'auto pilot', contributes to the problems of misuse. Not responding to the many irresponsible owner videos of misuse with offsetting public messages of driver responsibility also contributes in an indirect way. Its not about 'doing something wrong', its about what contributed to the situation that resulted in a death and making changes. Legally they did nothing wrong, but maybe they didn't do it right either.
Hey Anonymous Coward, quick question. My brother is an author. How does he get paid for 'performing' his work?
The same way artists through the ages have earned a living: Through the patronage of wealthy benefactors.
For musicians, before recording, one way you made money was to charge for live performances. We are coming full circle. Musician who are talented make good money performing live. Recorded music is an advertisement, and cost a lot less to produce and distribute these days.
I guess you didn't even read the slashdot version of the article that says they can do it 83% cheaper in space..
I read that and laughed. Nobody knows what it will cost in 2045. If you assume we'll have cheaper ways to source fuel from the moon by then, you also should assume we'll have cheaper ways of sending it up from earth. And either way, numbers without considering infrastructure costs are not really that useful.
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This. Also Star Trek artificially separates various human traits into separate species.
Star Trek's vision of an alien is a human with a funny looking forehead. Star Wars vision of an alien varies quite a bit, more like mixed animal traits.
Why would you expect the autopilot to detect this?
Because Tesla themselves called it autonomous driving, they specifically call it auto pilot, and they even allow you to take your hands off the wheel for 30 seconds. Its not about doing the technology wrong, its about deploying it, hyping it as 'auto pilot' instead of drivers assist, and not fully considering the human behavior element. Those were contributing factors. There is no doubt that the technology was a contributing factor, but that doesn't mean anyone was 'wrong' or 'right'. Why the need to assign those descriptors?
The "convenience" of impulse buying, so more profit for Amazon.com.
I like to see a picture of what I am ordering and the price before I buy. I also like to check the order before that final click just in case there is a long delivery time or some unexpected shipping fee. Just saying 'buy this' and having the system take over is something I can't see myself doing, however I really don't buy commodities like detergent online anyhow. Adding to a list makes sense.
would you ship a beta auto driver app? tesla would.
the driver was stupid but tesla is doing things no sane manufacturer would do and marketing them like it was a smartphone and not few tons at 100mph..
Tesla is quite lucky that nobody else was killed from a legal and PR standpoint. All this talk recently about the moral decision dilemma of saving the driver or the schoolkids, and in this situation once the car went under the truck the car was going to hit whatever or whoever was in its path. So that moral argument looks quite ridiculous as situations like this are much more probable. As I said on some of those threads, the real issue is avoiding such a situation in the first place. That is a tall order for auto-pilot technology in general.
Yes, I know, jealousy of Musk is a big motivation for you people to hate on him, however if we ignore that for a second..
Then there are those with an undying love for everything Musk, which is hard to ignore. The auto-pilot's performance was clearly a contributing factor, as was the drivers. To push blame to just one or the other seems biased. Clearly the driver was not paying attention. Clearly the auto-pilot did not detect what we would have expected it to.
Anyhow, its an easy solution for Musk. Just add to the fine print "may not detect large vehicles directly in the path of travel". Then he's legally off the hook and we can blame the drivers whenever this happens.
Or maybe the truck really was hard to see against the bright background, and the human driver did no better than the AI.
That's so unlikely that its not even worth mentioning. And as has been mentioned, if your visibility is reduced you should slow down, same goes for auto-pilot.
Unfortunately the Tesla system did not even provide any warnings, you really can't have a similar warning system as planes because you will typically have a lot of cars in the vicinity. So comparing car to plane autopilot is very applish-orangish. Plane autopilot is actually a lot simpler to accomplish.
Allowing the user to have hands off for 30 seconds is problematic for Telsa. A lot can happen in 30 seconds, its an arbitrary duration. Why not 5 seconds?
imho, it should not be called auto-pilot or autonomous driving because its not truly that yet. Assisted control is more appropriate.
A leased rose by any other name is still a leased rose.
I don't understand exactly how these tires work, but having wheels with integrated rollers so that you can move sideways is a pretty old idea,
So, you are saying this is not forward progress, its more sideways progress?
Queep...(I mean Keep.)
My workaround is already in place, that is not buying Apple products.
I invented the h-phone, the i-phone was just a progression.
These scenarios are just a little bit contrived... I can't fathom any real life scenario where any of these situations would occur with the odds of both options being equal, which is the point where the software would be called upon to exhibit a preference of one option over another.
Maybe the autonomous car should not have decided to put itself in the situation where it has to make a last second decision.
If a deer runs in front of a speeding car, that is pretty much an unpredictable incident (although one could argue, lets not). Its unwise to swerve to miss a deer in such a situation, it better to just drive straight and run it over if need be. But what if the deer is wearing pants?
Maybe selective speeding would be a good thing, like in documentary style tv shows where they feel the need to 'catch you up' after every commercial break. Speeding through those parts would increase my viewing pleasure.
This is how you cash in. Use stockholder money to buy your own company. IF Telsa stock is expected to drop, then the sooner you do it the better, and you don't have to worry about insider trading rules.