Not really. In 1970 cars were gas-guzzlers but the fears that those predictions produced caused change.
Tell us what great changes have been wrought that made significant changes into oil consumption levels. Have you seen what's available at your local car lot lately? Gas guzzlers mostly (read: SUV). The gas saving car trend in the US reversed several years ago, and there are plenty of old vehicles that are used in places where there are no environmental standards. Anyway, automobiles are not the only users of petrochemicals- power generation uses quite a bit and there are way more people needing way more power than there was in 1970, just like there are way more people driving cars.
Let's just hope they get this message across on the People's Daily: "Leave open port 25 to spammers and you will be executed as a dangerous COUNTER REVOLUTIONARY!"
. And I think that's because "professionalism" means different things to Americans vs. Indians. I have worked side-by-side with Indians who were "found out" not to have the skills they said they had on their resumes
That's one person's experience- yours. I personally have worked with many Indians in several jobs whose competence and hard work outshone most of their peers- and it had nothing to do with any cultural differences they just knew what they were programming and worked their butts off. And if you check the news headlines you'll note that stuffing a resume with bullshit is practiced by all ethic groups, including officer level employees running companies.
And if being a programmer is worth $5/hr, then sorry, third-world outsourcing has made software production a non-professional trade.
Oh yeah? Well, software developers in India get degrees in college just like you and I. But the dollar amount a person makes isn't relevant since it is completely relative to the economy in which you live. Just because you couldn't make ends meet on $5 an hour being a 'professional' where you live doesnt mean one doing the same task and having relatively equivalent skills can't be considered a professional where they are. Ok, so the fellow in India gets handed your job for a US company for $5 an hour and works at it for a few months. Then he accepts an offer to work an India-based job for an India based company for the same amount of money. So is he still not a professional in your eye?
Programmers in America see themselves as professionals. The ones who do it on the cheap in India, don't.
I know Hanno responded to this already but if I may say so, that's quite an arrogant statement. Developers in Bangalore do not require nearly as much money as they would have living in, say, San Jose for instance. So why would that make them not feel as if they were professionals? Indeed, they can live like princes on what it takes to barely scrape by in California and they have a job which puts them at nearly the top of the heap with plenty of prestige in their home.
...because the work will all have been outsourced to somebody who will do it for 5 times less than s/he is worth.
Welcome to the recessionary job market. To a company, you are worth exactly what you accept in payment. If you cannot get what you *feel* you are worth, then either find a new company that will hire you or start your own.
Maureen O'Gara is the Queen of Mis-information. She fills her sentences with 'cute' little witticisms, infers one thing when her interviewee said (and truly meant) completely the opposite, and claims she's got a 'scoop'. I think they were only very loosely linked with OSDN and not owned; and the relationship appears to be history. She frequently gets it wrong. Oh, and now LinuxGram is charging about $150 per year so now you can pay for bullshit information.
With the recession, I have found that my local Rasputin's records has bursted with newly released CD's in the used bins within a week or 2 of a general release. I've hardly needed to buy a new CD in ages, I hardly even look at the new bins anymore. I did the other day and was blown away to see double CDs retail for $36. License to print money indeed. Fuck that.
I was in Italy once and a group of guys there at a bar broke into 'Volare'- I sang with them for the chorus but was embarrased when the only words I knew were from the commercial!:-) "Come ride, Volare today! Ride bold, the comfortable way!"
Note to older slashdotter who mixed up his car history:
Ricardo didn't do Volare commercials he did the Chrysler Cordoba. The Volare was produced under the Plymouth name and was mostly the same car as the Dodge Aspen. Neither were the same body/car as Cordoba. And neither had rich Corinthian leather.
Actually he played more than occasionally. If you ever see Mark Lewisohn's "The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions" you'd be amazed at how much more he was playing on guitar than you think.:-) But all those guys who played with Bowie were great- Ronson, Gabrels, Vaughn.. it goes on- he worked with some great musicians.
Oh, like the apartheid system that lets Palestinian Arabs be electable to the Knesset? Certainly not like the completly pluralistic and open and oh-so-willing to accept criticism Arab and Muslim oligarchies, patriarchies and theocracies.
I saw it last Saturday at a special showing here in the Bay Area. I pretty much agreed with Ebert. The dialog between Portman and Christensen was just terrible. In fact most of the dialog seemed so forced and fake-formal. The action was ok but for me it served to distract the bad acting of the above 2. And there was far too many dumb looking CG characters.
My opinion of course, but my thumb is down on this. SW fanatics may disagree.
Amercian workers complain if they have to work more than 40 hours
Pure and utter bullshit. People in the Valley in high tech work 60, 70, 80 hours a week. WTF do you think so many companies (dot-bomb and not) supply so many home-like perks to employees? (Nap areas, free washing machine service, gyms, showers, etc.)
American workers are typically not as dedicated or as well educated.....blah blah blah..
Hey- nothing like gerneralizing societies. Gee- and I thought only Americans were guilty of these things.
when people that call themselves US citizens feel infringed, they immediately attack foriegners
Clue time: Xenophobia exists everywhere. Ask your Muslim countrymen who are getting murdered by the majority.
Maybe this is why so many countries around the world utterly HATE america?
Countries utterly HATE any country that has massively more influence then them- that human trait goes back centuries. Now uncloak yourself Anonymous Coward.
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Not really. In 1970 cars were gas-guzzlers but the fears that those predictions produced caused change.
Tell us what great changes have been wrought that made significant changes into oil consumption levels. Have you seen what's available at your local car lot lately? Gas guzzlers mostly (read: SUV). The gas saving car trend in the US reversed several years ago, and there are plenty of old vehicles that are used in places where there are no environmental standards. Anyway, automobiles are not the only users of petrochemicals- power generation uses quite a bit and there are way more people needing way more power than there was in 1970, just like there are way more people driving cars.
No wonder you were modded down:
Bilbo is a hobbit.
...and all their boxes are routing SPAM TO ME!
And here I thought he was a leprechaun. They're always after his Lucky Charms, ya know!
Let's just hope they get this message across on the People's Daily: "Leave open port 25 to spammers and you will be executed as a dangerous COUNTER REVOLUTIONARY!"
That's one person's experience- yours. I personally have worked with many Indians in several jobs whose competence and hard work outshone most of their peers- and it had nothing to do with any cultural differences they just knew what they were programming and worked their butts off. And if you check the news headlines you'll note that stuffing a resume with bullshit is practiced by all ethic groups, including officer level employees running companies.
http://www.it-director.com/article.php?id=3255
Oh yeah? Well, software developers in India get degrees in college just like you and I. But the dollar amount a person makes isn't relevant since it is completely relative to the economy in which you live. Just because you couldn't make ends meet on $5 an hour being a 'professional' where you live doesnt mean one doing the same task and having relatively equivalent skills can't be considered a professional where they are. Ok, so the fellow in India gets handed your job for a US company for $5 an hour and works at it for a few months. Then he accepts an offer to work an India-based job for an India based company for the same amount of money. So is he still not a professional in your eye?
I know Hanno responded to this already but if I may say so, that's quite an arrogant statement. Developers in Bangalore do not require nearly as much money as they would have living in, say, San Jose for instance. So why would that make them not feel as if they were professionals? Indeed, they can live like princes on what it takes to barely scrape by in California and they have a job which puts them at nearly the top of the heap with plenty of prestige in their home.
Welcome to the recessionary job market. To a company, you are worth exactly what you accept in payment. If you cannot get what you *feel* you are worth, then either find a new company that will hire you or start your own.
Maureen O'Gara is the Queen of Mis-information. She fills her sentences with 'cute' little witticisms, infers one thing when her interviewee said (and truly meant) completely the opposite, and claims she's got a 'scoop'. I think they were only very loosely linked with OSDN and not owned; and the relationship appears to be history. She frequently gets it wrong. Oh, and now LinuxGram is charging about $150 per year so now you can pay for bullshit information.
With the recession, I have found that my local Rasputin's records has bursted with newly released CD's in the used bins within a week or 2 of a general release. I've hardly needed to buy a new CD in ages, I hardly even look at the new bins anymore. I did the other day and was blown away to see double CDs retail for $36. License to print money indeed. Fuck that.
Throw the technology out, and we'd all be floating round on partially submerged logs, holding up bits of trees in a vain effort to catch the wind!
I'd much rather see Ellison doing just that.
Hyperbolize much?
I was in Italy once and a group of guys there at a bar broke into 'Volare'- I sang with them for the chorus but was embarrased when the only words I knew were from the commercial! :-) "Come ride, Volare today! Ride bold, the comfortable way!"
Note to older slashdotter who mixed up his car history:
Ricardo didn't do Volare commercials he did the Chrysler Cordoba. The Volare was produced under the Plymouth name and was mostly the same car as the Dodge Aspen. Neither were the same body/car as Cordoba. And neither had rich Corinthian leather.
...that was closing down instead.
I hope it doesn't fail like when the Internet completely collapsed back in '96.
Actually he played more than occasionally. If you ever see Mark Lewisohn's "The Complete :-) But all those guys who played with Bowie were great- Ronson, Gabrels, Vaughn.. it goes on- he worked with some great musicians.
Beatles Recording Sessions" you'd be amazed at how much more he was playing on guitar than you think.
Oh, so tell me what PayPal's methods of keeping my data private is.
Oh, like the apartheid system that lets Palestinian Arabs be electable to the Knesset? Certainly not like the completly pluralistic and open and oh-so-willing to accept criticism Arab and Muslim oligarchies, patriarchies and theocracies.
The funniest and most on target AOTC analysis I've seen:
/ 05/22/MN37685.DTL
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002
I saw it last Saturday at a special showing here in the Bay Area. I pretty much agreed with Ebert. The dialog between Portman and Christensen was just terrible. In fact most of the dialog seemed so forced and fake-formal. The action was ok but for me it served to distract the bad acting of the above 2. And there was far too many dumb looking CG characters.
My opinion of course, but my thumb is down on this. SW fanatics may disagree.
Ha!
:-)
This is nothing compared to the floppy era; pre- "A-Linux-CD-distro-in-every-pot" days!
Hmm.. so maybe he should just wank off if it only goes to 1000 feet.
Pure and utter bullshit. People in the Valley in high tech work 60, 70, 80 hours a week. WTF do you think so many companies (dot-bomb and not) supply so many home-like perks to employees? (Nap areas, free washing machine service, gyms, showers, etc.)
American workers are typically not as dedicated or as well educated.....blah blah blah..
Hey- nothing like gerneralizing societies. Gee- and I thought only Americans were guilty of these things.
when people that call themselves US citizens feel infringed, they immediately attack foriegners
Clue time: Xenophobia exists everywhere. Ask your Muslim countrymen who are getting murdered by the majority.
Maybe this is why so many countries around the world utterly HATE america?
Countries utterly HATE any country that has massively more influence then them- that human trait goes back centuries. Now uncloak yourself Anonymous Coward.
Never?