" Let's see how "shiny" they are when their annual income is say more inline with reality, say $50,000/yr or so."
My friend, let me introduce you to the wonders of compound interest. Unless they suddenly become financially stupid (which is entirely seperate from being educated and there's plenty of evidence of some pretty good fiscal intelligence there), they will NEVER have to worry about money.
There's a dollar amount for every person/household out there, above which they can live just like they do, on the interest alone, indefinitely. They're way above it.
Am I a fan of the way they earned it? No. But, they did what you do to make money in a capitalist economy. They created a demand and charged what the market would bear to supply that demand.
It doesn't seem to be clear, but I agree with you. I said I understand the reasons and they have every right to have those terms. It makes pragmatic sense.
However, that doesn't remove the irony from the situation.
I didn't say there weren't good reasons for it, just that it's ironic. And, actually, it doesn't allow changing AT ALL, not just a restriction on the name, "Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies
of this license document, but changing it is not allowed."
I would say that there are actually good reasons for not allowing changes to some software as well, however, Stallman would argue hard on that point, hence the irony.
Sometimes an ironic situation is the best compromise given the conditions.
Exactly. When I was growing up (on a farm), we often hired local high school kids to work for the summer. Most people think they know how to "drive", but put them on a tractor or a skid loader and they're completely dumbfounded for a while. Sure, there's often a steering wheel and a couple of pedals, but they don't necessarily all do what you think and often there is no steering wheel, just levers.
After a few weeks, most people were fine, but we had more than one just give up.
I've been using HTC's pretty heavily in my current project and beginning to love those things. (For the cross-browser zealots among you, check out the wrapper for HTC's in Mozilla from the guy who did the IE7 hack).
What you end up with are complete components that are cached on the client, implement complex behavior and are easy to drop into a page.
It makes building things that aren't really HTML widgets (like tabs, etc.) into something that actually behaves like one.
You didn't get the new memo. The apo'strophe ha's been rea's'signed to a new job. It's new purpo'se i's to 'signal an upcoming "'s". Without it, we may be 'surpri'sed by the appearance of 'such a 'startling letter. However, with the apo'strophe 'standing guard, we'll never be 'surpri'sed by that crooked little letter again.
"Darling, I did that in 1999 for a web application I developed for a major financial services corporation. "
Exactly. Those of us building internal web applications have been doing this kind of stuff for years. There's a whole level of "web" complexity that you don't see on most sites for web apps that are replacing VB, etc. apps and need richer client interfaces to satisfy the business needs.
If you do web development and this really impresses you, you may not have been paying as much attention the last few years as you thought.
"The scientific method dates from a century or two later."
Oh, come on. Do you really think that little of your ancestors? The scientific method may not have been applied to what we think of in a modern sense as "science", but the idea of, "I think that if I do x, y will result" followed by doing so and changing x until y DID result happened over and over and over before 1500.
Just an FYI, the machines in question are not "stamp" machines. They allow you to set a package on a scale, swipe a credit card and ship relatively large boxes almost anywhere in the world. As such, having a record of exactly who sent a box that later turns out to have had something nefarious in it is.
" Perfect, this will come just in time for the pre christmas, holiday rush where nobody reads newspapers. "
That's actually how they managed to afford a 2 page spread. By agreeing to let it run within a larger window of time rather than on a specific day, they got a much cheaper price. However, the paper is going to do exactly what it did: run it on a day where the regular advertisers aren't as interested in buying the ad space.
I read a recent article that talked about how Jackson Pollack used mostly house paint for his splatter paintings and how they're really starting to degrade and fall apart. I find it sadly ironic that the copyright will last longer than the protected work.
I run OpenSSH on my Windows machine. This post was sent via an SSH tunnel between 2 Windows machines, with plink/putty as the client set up with a dynamic port as a SOCKS 5 proxy to route all traffic through my home Windows server. This is also handy as I run a mail server for sending only and I can leave port 25 blocked on my firewall, but still use "localhost" as my mail server in my mail clients through the SSH tunnel.
OpenSSH installs fairly well on its own, though it can conflict with Cygwin if you aren't careful and have Cygwin also install it.
I've also got a USB key with preconfigured plink batch files and Firefox configured to use that tunnel for browsing.
You're absolutely correct that that is a solution, as is a closed-off smoking section. However, neither of these is very often implemented for these types of "compromises". A classic example is that I went to a restaurant on Saturday night, asked to be seated in the non-smoking section and ended up sitting so close to the smoking section I could have grabbed the cigarette out of hand of the smoker on the other side of the little "partition" between us. When I complained, I was informed that, being on this side of the partition, I was, indeed, *in* the non-smoking section.
Trying to have a smoking and a non-smoking section in the same open space is like trying to have a peeing and a non-peeing section in a pool. Those doing the annoying behavior are fine with it, but those who really don't want to be swimming in urine aren't really getting what they want because you can't get rid of it.
This kind of "compromise" never is anything of the sort.
I would suspect the fact that a locked-down corporate workstation will already be pre-configured for proxy settings also plays into this. Anything that hooks into IE's settings will automatically have the "approved" proxy and other security settings and just work on most corporate networks.
As opposed to anything from Mozilla. Sometimes, the hoops I need to jump through to be able to run Mozilla on a corporate workstation are astounding.
Given that the target of this browser is a person installing it at work, it would be pretty hard to believe that this didn't have something to do with it.
Unfortunately, the cycle is becoming what it is because of a couple of big things.
1. These family films target people with kids. 2. Kids are out of school to see these movies more than once during their theatrical run if that run starts at the end of the school year. With 2nd run theaters extending the theatrical cash wave through the end of the summer, they essentially have families' most available time in their sights. 3. Those same families tend to buy DVD's as gifts for the winter holiday buying season. With the DVD release cycle trending about 6 months after the theatrical release, this means that doing a May movie release and an early December or late November DVD release gives them access to the peaks of the family spending "sine wave".
My wife's grandfather is still sharp as a tack and remembers pretty much everything (including the Hoover election as a kid) and was talking about this the other day.
He went from the family first getting a tractor instead of a horse to today. A little perspective can often be awe inspiring. If I live only as long as he has, I can't even imagine the changes that will happen.
Incidentally, nothing about running your own mailserver requires Linux or any other Unix. I run a Windows mailserver and have for years with no problems. It runs the free Mercury32 mail server and filters messages with POPFile. Other than the cost of Windows itself, it's all free.
While the show probably sucks, there's an ad running for a sitcom which has an American telling someone of Asian decent about their tattoo. He claims it says what most of those say, something about eternal love or peaceful waters. The Asian man responds and says, No. It means that in a relationship of 2 men who love each other, you are the one who plays the woman.
The "high cost of higher education" in the United States is at least in part due to an attempt to go to the "right" school.
Before graduating, I attended a community college (instead of my final year of high school), a private university and a state university. While I would regard them in the exact order that they are usually regarded, there's no way that the private university was 6 times better (the tuition difference) than the state university.
St. Cloud State University (where I graduated) has one of the most respected business programs in the state of Minnesota and has a current cost for annual tuition (2 semesters including fees and books) of $6050. In other words, you can get an entire education for the cost of a new Toyota. And, with most of the loan programs here, you can finance the cost over 10 years and, in many cases, not pay anything until you graduate. That compared with car loans that only go for 5-6 years.
Which is going to get you further in life? A new car (and LOTS of folks buy them each year) or a 4 year degree?
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It's actually a reference to the movie "Secretary" that he's in (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274812/). It's an . . . interesting film.
Not that ours is nearly as large, but St. Paul, MN has a winter carnival and many years includes an ice palace, ice sculptures, etc.
You want to make something of it?
" Let's see how "shiny" they are when their annual income is say more inline with reality, say $50,000/yr or so."
My friend, let me introduce you to the wonders of compound interest. Unless they suddenly become financially stupid (which is entirely seperate from being educated and there's plenty of evidence of some pretty good fiscal intelligence there), they will NEVER have to worry about money.
There's a dollar amount for every person/household out there, above which they can live just like they do, on the interest alone, indefinitely. They're way above it.
Am I a fan of the way they earned it? No. But, they did what you do to make money in a capitalist economy. They created a demand and charged what the market would bear to supply that demand.
It doesn't seem to be clear, but I agree with you. I said I understand the reasons and they have every right to have those terms. It makes pragmatic sense.
However, that doesn't remove the irony from the situation.
I didn't say there weren't good reasons for it, just that it's ironic. And, actually, it doesn't allow changing AT ALL, not just a restriction on the name, "Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies
of this license document, but changing it is not allowed."
I would say that there are actually good reasons for not allowing changes to some software as well, however, Stallman would argue hard on that point, hence the irony.
Sometimes an ironic situation is the best compromise given the conditions.
Exactly. When I was growing up (on a farm), we often hired local high school kids to work for the summer. Most people think they know how to "drive", but put them on a tractor or a skid loader and they're completely dumbfounded for a while. Sure, there's often a steering wheel and a couple of pedals, but they don't necessarily all do what you think and often there is no steering wheel, just levers.
After a few weeks, most people were fine, but we had more than one just give up.
I've also found the clause in the GPL prohibiting any modifications to the license itself a similar irony.
I've been using HTC's pretty heavily in my current project and beginning to love those things. (For the cross-browser zealots among you, check out the wrapper for HTC's in Mozilla from the guy who did the IE7 hack).
What you end up with are complete components that are cached on the client, implement complex behavior and are easy to drop into a page.
It makes building things that aren't really HTML widgets (like tabs, etc.) into something that actually behaves like one.
You didn't get the new memo. The apo'strophe ha's been rea's'signed to a new job. It's new purpo'se i's to 'signal an upcoming "'s". Without it, we may be 'surpri'sed by the appearance of 'such a 'startling letter. However, with the apo'strophe 'standing guard, we'll never be 'surpri'sed by that crooked little letter again.
"Darling, I did that in 1999 for a web application I developed for a major financial services corporation. "
Exactly. Those of us building internal web applications have been doing this kind of stuff for years. There's a whole level of "web" complexity that you don't see on most sites for web apps that are replacing VB, etc. apps and need richer client interfaces to satisfy the business needs.
If you do web development and this really impresses you, you may not have been paying as much attention the last few years as you thought.
"The scientific method dates from a century or two later."
Oh, come on. Do you really think that little of your ancestors? The scientific method may not have been applied to what we think of in a modern sense as "science", but the idea of, "I think that if I do x, y will result" followed by doing so and changing x until y DID result happened over and over and over before 1500.
Just an FYI, the machines in question are not "stamp" machines. They allow you to set a package on a scale, swipe a credit card and ship relatively large boxes almost anywhere in the world. As such, having a record of exactly who sent a box that later turns out to have had something nefarious in it is.
" Perfect, this will come just in time for the pre christmas, holiday rush where nobody reads newspapers. "
That's actually how they managed to afford a 2 page spread. By agreeing to let it run within a larger window of time rather than on a specific day, they got a much cheaper price. However, the paper is going to do exactly what it did: run it on a day where the regular advertisers aren't as interested in buying the ad space.
I read a recent article that talked about how Jackson Pollack used mostly house paint for his splatter paintings and how they're really starting to degrade and fall apart. I find it sadly ironic that the copyright will last longer than the protected work.
I run OpenSSH on my Windows machine. This post was sent via an SSH tunnel between 2 Windows machines, with plink/putty as the client set up with a dynamic port as a SOCKS 5 proxy to route all traffic through my home Windows server. This is also handy as I run a mail server for sending only and I can leave port 25 blocked on my firewall, but still use "localhost" as my mail server in my mail clients through the SSH tunnel.
OpenSSH installs fairly well on its own, though it can conflict with Cygwin if you aren't careful and have Cygwin also install it.
I've also got a USB key with preconfigured plink batch files and Firefox configured to use that tunnel for browsing.
You're absolutely correct that that is a solution, as is a closed-off smoking section. However, neither of these is very often implemented for these types of "compromises". A classic example is that I went to a restaurant on Saturday night, asked to be seated in the non-smoking section and ended up sitting so close to the smoking section I could have grabbed the cigarette out of hand of the smoker on the other side of the little "partition" between us. When I complained, I was informed that, being on this side of the partition, I was, indeed, *in* the non-smoking section.
Trying to have a smoking and a non-smoking section in the same open space is like trying to have a peeing and a non-peeing section in a pool. Those doing the annoying behavior are fine with it, but those who really don't want to be swimming in urine aren't really getting what they want because you can't get rid of it.
This kind of "compromise" never is anything of the sort.
I would suspect the fact that a locked-down corporate workstation will already be pre-configured for proxy settings also plays into this. Anything that hooks into IE's settings will automatically have the "approved" proxy and other security settings and just work on most corporate networks.
As opposed to anything from Mozilla. Sometimes, the hoops I need to jump through to be able to run Mozilla on a corporate workstation are astounding.
Given that the target of this browser is a person installing it at work, it would be pretty hard to believe that this didn't have something to do with it.
Unfortunately, the cycle is becoming what it is because of a couple of big things.
1. These family films target people with kids.
2. Kids are out of school to see these movies more than once during their theatrical run if that run starts at the end of the school year. With 2nd run theaters extending the theatrical cash wave through the end of the summer, they essentially have families' most available time in their sights.
3. Those same families tend to buy DVD's as gifts for the winter holiday buying season. With the DVD release cycle trending about 6 months after the theatrical release, this means that doing a May movie release and an early December or late November DVD release gives them access to the peaks of the family spending "sine wave".
My wife's grandfather is still sharp as a tack and remembers pretty much everything (including the Hoover election as a kid) and was talking about this the other day.
He went from the family first getting a tractor instead of a horse to today. A little perspective can often be awe inspiring. If I live only as long as he has, I can't even imagine the changes that will happen.
About 85% of my non-spam messages?
Seriously, some of us use email for communicating with clients, vendors, etc. and not just for chatting with friends.
Incidentally, nothing about running your own mailserver requires Linux or any other Unix. I run a Windows mailserver and have for years with no problems. It runs the free Mercury32 mail server and filters messages with POPFile. Other than the cost of Windows itself, it's all free.
While the show probably sucks, there's an ad running for a sitcom which has an American telling someone of Asian decent about their tattoo. He claims it says what most of those say, something about eternal love or peaceful waters. The Asian man responds and says, No. It means that in a relationship of 2 men who love each other, you are the one who plays the woman.
The "high cost of higher education" in the United States is at least in part due to an attempt to go to the "right" school.
Before graduating, I attended a community college (instead of my final year of high school), a private university and a state university. While I would regard them in the exact order that they are usually regarded, there's no way that the private university was 6 times better (the tuition difference) than the state university.
St. Cloud State University (where I graduated) has one of the most respected business programs in the state of Minnesota and has a current cost for annual tuition (2 semesters including fees and books) of $6050. In other words, you can get an entire education for the cost of a new Toyota. And, with most of the loan programs here, you can finance the cost over 10 years and, in many cases, not pay anything until you graduate. That compared with car loans that only go for 5-6 years.
Which is going to get you further in life? A new car (and LOTS of folks buy them each year) or a 4 year degree?