Your personal system won’t be penetrated by Meltdown. Your system will need to be compromised by malware for Meltdown / Spectre vulnerabilities to be exploited. There is literally no point to it if your system is already compromised. Now JavaScript exploits might be possible but all of the major browser vendors have already patched their JavaScript engines. I can see disabling JavaScript on certain secure systems but it would break alot of things users want on popular websites. Note that Amazon seems to limp along OK even with scripting disabled;)
That's because the most serious vulnerabilities affect virtualized systems more, and given the popularity of the cloud, they are extremely affected because there is no control over what software is run.
These attacks may seem theoretical, and for a desktop user, they mostly are. Even server users with dedicated machines are generally safe as they own the entire machine and thus control the software on it. Virtualized hosts, not so much, and this ranges from simple VPS hosting companies, to cloud service companies like Amazon and Google. In this case, accessing not-your-memory can be beneficial, like trying to find the encryption keys used by someone sharing your machine. Cloud providers are especially scared because during high peak retail times, encryption keys may be spun to many instances to handle the load, and crafty attackers may simply spin up instances to extract those keys.
Very good points. I agree that it is the shared environments that have to take the Meltdown / Spectre threats seriously.
Wish someone at the federal level remembered "the other side won, they get to govern".
We didn’t elect Donald Trump king and the republicans do not hold a super-majority in the Senate. Mr. Trump needs to stop whingeing when he does not automatically get his way, separation of powers was written in to the Constitution for a reason. The Democrats do hae a few prerogatives left to them in the Senate, if they can wrangle a few concessions, then that is what we call governing by consensus. The biggest problem the Republicans in Washington have is their own inter-necine warfare.
The problem is, a couple densely populated areas are steering the entire state.
Last I checked, people vote, not land, so I don’t admit your point about population density. But what If we did split the state as proposed? There are still alot of rural areas in the central California coastal counties and there are densely populated, urban, liberal cities in the central valley. So, should we divide things up a little more? I can see that proceeding until the entire state is divided into hundreds of tribal regions. We can do that to the rest of the country next. I am sure the Mormons will be happy to control Utah and parts of Arizona, California, Nevada and Idaho. Keep dividing it all up until every constituency is in their own little tribal region. Can you see the local battles and regional wars coming after that? This nonsense is exactly what our countries enemies have been trying push for years now via the Internet.
Worse, the extant government are pushing policies that actively violate their constituency's rights and apparently trying to start an all out war with the federal government because they didn't get their way in the last election.
Really? Let’s hear about those violations of rights. If there are really violations of constitutional rights then they can be taken to federal court. Happens all of the time. As to the state being at war with the federal government, I seem to recall many good conservatives preaching the virtue of state’s rights and local government. If my state wants to challenge Net Neutrality with local regulations then what the hell is wrong with tthat? Republicans are all for federal authority when it suits them it seems. Jeff Sessions reversing DOJ policy by telling federal prosecutors to enforce marijuana laws in states that have voted to repeal such would seem to be complete federal overreach.
Notice Trump campaigned virtually all throughout, while Hillary just campaigned to her base and sort of disregarded the rest, and then wondered why she lost.
While in reality, being way up in polls, Hillary was doing campaign stops in red states, while ignoring traditionally democratic mid-west states, like Wisconsin & Michigan. Losing votes to Jill Stein on the left and losing indepedents in the last week over new emails discovered on her aide’s husband’s laptop and taking her base for granted is what lost her the election.
You fail to understand democracy. The concept is not, we lost the election burn the place to the ground, the concept is the other side won, they get to govern, meanwhile we rebuild from the grass roots, one voter and one district at a time. California had a Republican Governor not that long ago. IIRC, there was also a split legislature not that long ago too. Also the dems do not have a super-majority in congress. That is federal. California has an Assembly and a Senate.
Not satisfied with gerrymandering congressional districts in half of the states in the union, the Cons are now working on gerrymandering the Senate. Since Senate seats are decided on a statewide basis, the only way to do it is by splitting states. The proposed split of California is all about adding 2 safe Con seats to the Senate. Next up, splitting Texas into 4 states. Go Google for their white paper on "The Permanent Republican Majority". All part of the plan.
Seems like there is more damage being done by the Meltdown / Spectre hysteria and attendant patch frenzy than by exploits of the vulnerabilities themselves.
Friends don't let friends Spectre patch their computers!
It's just an environmental nightmare. Phone hardware per se can last 10+ years, WHY do we have to buy the new shiny model again every 12 months? And what happens to the rest?
Apple being "environmentally friendly" is just a huge joke. They don't even pretend to greenwash anymore.
Clearly you just want to bitch. All high-end phones can be traded in for the new model. They don't throw those used phones away. They get refurbished and resold. All of the carriers do this. There are 3rd parties that will buy your phone too. Before the carriers started doing trade-ins and leases, I'd sell my used iPhone on Craigslist for a pretty good price. So, unless you completely destroy your phone or toss it in a drawer when you get a new one it is being re-used somewhere.
Well, I've read many places that people tend to become more conservative when times get tough. I have long suspected that the conservative movement in this country, and elsewhere for that matter, has been up to all sorts of mischief large and small. From robotic astro-turfing of message forums across the net to talk radio to crashing the economy back in '08 there has been a vast right-wing conspiracy to drive the citizenry to the right. It's been working very well.
Didn’t SpaceX set a record last year for most flights in a calendar year? Weren’t quite a few of those flights actually commercial flights, as in paying customers? Hasn’t SpaceX carried commercial and government cargo on re-used boosters this year.
Space is one of the hardest things a company could ever set out to do. Targets will be missed and the there will be failures along the way. SpaceX has stuck it out and accomplished much.
Well, correct me here, Moore was impeached as Alabama’s Chief Justice, so kind of convicted there, credibly accused of child molestation, so yes, definitely a criminal.
Umm, if you are referring to the swamp thing that is our current president, he has been most successful at making the swamp more of a swamp then ever. How anyone could have been duped into believing it would be otherwise...
But it seems that good old fashion protection rackets just move online.
Yelp keeps emailing me to “claim” my business listing. So far I am ignoring them.
Intel has really blown it with this bug. No argument from me there. On the other hand, Apple has not produced a defective product. Everyone’s batteries wear out. It is physics pure and simple. In Apple’s case they’ve done the riight thing by offering a very inexpensive battery replacement.
Nope, sorry. This is malware so the packets are coming from inside the firewall. A miner doesn't wait for instructions it just mines and fires off the results.
Try again smartass. At least with the domains blocked they can't make any use of the malware.
Good firewalls block traffic in and out. It’s just that most people have crap firewalls.
I keep thinking that they’re pretty useless myself. I don’t get constant app updates or texts that need my immediate attention all day long and I have no use for a fitness tracker. Somehow Apple is selling a couple of million of these every quarter. A $2-$3 Billion a year business ain’t chicken feed.
Do a little reading. They are doing it for three year old phones because even though it may be charged to 100% the old battery can't deliver enough current and has been observed causing the phone to glitch.
This all seems to be a bit of a made up issue to me. All of the high-end, WATER RESISTANT smartphones have internal batteries. Apple offers free battery replacement to those under warranty or having AppleCare+. They offer battery replacement to everyone for $79 otherwise. No is being forced to buy a new phone because of the battery. If you can afford a $700 phone you probably won't blink at $80 for a battery replacement.
So for a product which is intended to have a cover over it whenever it's not being used, unlike say an iPhone, Siri is permanently disabled when it's not in use.
Did you decide that for yourself then? The iPad has had an auto-sleep when the cover is closed function since gen 2. Close the cover and the iPad is put to sleep. Should Siri should still be listening when the device is asleep?
My iPad Pro has its cover closed only when I want it to be asleep. Normally, only when I put it in my briefcase, or when I'm asleep and I put it on the bookshelf over my bed. I have the cover open and acting as a stand all day long otherwise.
This is the type of behavior that one would expect from malware.
Actually, this is the type of behavior I’ve come to expect from Microsoft in Windows 10. Also lots of other software products. You clearly didn’t read the EULA, did you? We live in the age of no shame.
Johnson simultaneously going all-in to Vietnam and creating the Great Society welfare and Medicare programs didn't leave much money for the Space Program. When we went to the moon NASA got as much as 5% of the national budget. That could not be sustained.
Your email isn't on paper, and it isn't on your person. Fair game.
The Constitution was written before email and electronic documents could even be imagined as you certainly know. The thing is that with the Constitution we also got a Supreme Court to help us interpret it. The court has held that it doesn't have to be on paper to be considered to be as if it were. Police still need a warrant. If you don't like that the Constitution also provided that you could get an amendment passed that would override the court's rulings. Oh, BTW, being secure in our person doesn't have anything to do with documents or items in our pockets. It is a protection from arbitrary arrest.
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Your personal system won’t be penetrated by Meltdown. Your system will need to be compromised by malware for Meltdown / Spectre vulnerabilities to be exploited. There is literally no point to it if your system is already compromised. Now JavaScript exploits might be possible but all of the major browser vendors have already patched their JavaScript engines. I can see disabling JavaScript on certain secure systems but it would break alot of things users want on popular websites. Note that Amazon seems to limp along OK even with scripting disabled ;)
That's because the most serious vulnerabilities affect virtualized systems more, and given the popularity of the cloud, they are extremely affected because there is no control over what software is run.
These attacks may seem theoretical, and for a desktop user, they mostly are. Even server users with dedicated machines are generally safe as they own the entire machine and thus control the software on it. Virtualized hosts, not so much, and this ranges from simple VPS hosting companies, to cloud service companies like Amazon and Google. In this case, accessing not-your-memory can be beneficial, like trying to find the encryption keys used by someone sharing your machine. Cloud providers are especially scared because during high peak retail times, encryption keys may be spun to many instances to handle the load, and crafty attackers may simply spin up instances to extract those keys.
Very good points. I agree that it is the shared environments that have to take the Meltdown / Spectre threats seriously.
Wish someone at the federal level remembered "the other side won, they get to govern".
We didn’t elect Donald Trump king and the republicans do not hold a super-majority in the Senate. Mr. Trump needs to stop whingeing when he does not automatically get his way, separation of powers was written in to the Constitution for a reason. The Democrats do hae a few prerogatives left to them in the Senate, if they can wrangle a few concessions, then that is what we call governing by consensus. The biggest problem the Republicans in Washington have is their own inter-necine warfare.
The problem is, a couple densely populated areas are steering the entire state.
Last I checked, people vote, not land, so I don’t admit your point about population density. But what If we did split the state as proposed? There are still alot of rural areas in the central California coastal counties and there are densely populated, urban, liberal cities in the central valley. So, should we divide things up a little more? I can see that proceeding until the entire state is divided into hundreds of tribal regions. We can do that to the rest of the country next. I am sure the Mormons will be happy to control Utah and parts of Arizona, California, Nevada and Idaho. Keep dividing it all up until every constituency is in their own little tribal region. Can you see the local battles and regional wars coming after that? This nonsense is exactly what our countries enemies have been trying push for years now via the Internet.
Worse, the extant government are pushing policies that actively violate their constituency's rights and apparently trying to start an all out war with the federal government because they didn't get their way in the last election.
Really? Let’s hear about those violations of rights. If there are really violations of constitutional rights then they can be taken to federal court. Happens all of the time. As to the state being at war with the federal government, I seem to recall many good conservatives preaching the virtue of state’s rights and local government. If my state wants to challenge Net Neutrality with local regulations then what the hell is wrong with tthat? Republicans are all for federal authority when it suits them it seems. Jeff Sessions reversing DOJ policy by telling federal prosecutors to enforce marijuana laws in states that have voted to repeal such would seem to be complete federal overreach.
Notice Trump campaigned virtually all throughout, while Hillary just campaigned to her base and sort of disregarded the rest, and then wondered why she lost.
While in reality, being way up in polls, Hillary was doing campaign stops in red states, while ignoring traditionally democratic mid-west states, like Wisconsin & Michigan. Losing votes to Jill Stein on the left and losing indepedents in the last week over new emails discovered on her aide’s husband’s laptop and taking her base for granted is what lost her the election.
You fail to understand democracy. The concept is not, we lost the election burn the place to the ground, the concept is the other side won, they get to govern, meanwhile we rebuild from the grass roots, one voter and one district at a time. California had a Republican Governor not that long ago. IIRC, there was also a split legislature not that long ago too. Also the dems do not have a super-majority in congress. That is federal. California has an Assembly and a Senate.
Not satisfied with gerrymandering congressional districts in half of the states in the union, the Cons are now working on gerrymandering the Senate. Since Senate seats are decided on a statewide basis, the only way to do it is by splitting states. The proposed split of California is all about adding 2 safe Con seats to the Senate. Next up, splitting Texas into 4 states. Go Google for their white paper on "The Permanent Republican Majority". All part of the plan.
Seems like there is more damage being done by the Meltdown / Spectre hysteria and attendant patch frenzy than by exploits of the vulnerabilities themselves.
Friends don't let friends Spectre patch their computers!
It's just an environmental nightmare. Phone hardware per se can last 10+ years, WHY do we have to buy the new shiny model again every 12 months? And what happens to the rest?
Apple being "environmentally friendly" is just a huge joke. They don't even pretend to greenwash anymore.
Clearly you just want to bitch. All high-end phones can be traded in for the new model. They don't throw those used phones away. They get refurbished and resold. All of the carriers do this. There are 3rd parties that will buy your phone too. Before the carriers started doing trade-ins and leases, I'd sell my used iPhone on Craigslist for a pretty good price. So, unless you completely destroy your phone or toss it in a drawer when you get a new one it is being re-used somewhere.
Well, I've read many places that people tend to become more conservative when times get tough. I have long suspected that the conservative movement in this country, and elsewhere for that matter, has been up to all sorts of mischief large and small. From robotic astro-turfing of message forums across the net to talk radio to crashing the economy back in '08 there has been a vast right-wing conspiracy to drive the citizenry to the right. It's been working very well.
Didn’t SpaceX set a record last year for most flights in a calendar year? Weren’t quite a few of those flights actually commercial flights, as in paying customers? Hasn’t SpaceX carried commercial and government cargo on re-used boosters this year. Space is one of the hardest things a company could ever set out to do. Targets will be missed and the there will be failures along the way. SpaceX has stuck it out and accomplished much.
Then submit a post of your own for publication praising Allah. The rules of this site ask that you reply on the topic posted.
Well, correct me here, Moore was impeached as Alabama’s Chief Justice, so kind of convicted there, credibly accused of child molestation, so yes, definitely a criminal.
Umm, if you are referring to the swamp thing that is our current president, he has been most successful at making the swamp more of a swamp then ever. How anyone could have been duped into believing it would be otherwise...
But it seems that good old fashion protection rackets just move online. Yelp keeps emailing me to “claim” my business listing. So far I am ignoring them.
Intel has really blown it with this bug. No argument from me there. On the other hand, Apple has not produced a defective product. Everyone’s batteries wear out. It is physics pure and simple. In Apple’s case they’ve done the riight thing by offering a very inexpensive battery replacement.
Nope, sorry. This is malware so the packets are coming from inside the firewall. A miner doesn't wait for instructions it just mines and fires off the results.
Try again smartass. At least with the domains blocked they can't make any use of the malware.
Good firewalls block traffic in and out. It’s just that most people have crap firewalls.
I keep thinking that they’re pretty useless myself. I don’t get constant app updates or texts that need my immediate attention all day long and I have no use for a fitness tracker. Somehow Apple is selling a couple of million of these every quarter. A $2-$3 Billion a year business ain’t chicken feed.
Also, do you go around saying "Happy Columbus day"
Why yes, I do. Also Veterans Day and others too.
Do a little reading. They are doing it for three year old phones because even though it may be charged to 100% the old battery can't deliver enough current and has been observed causing the phone to glitch.
This all seems to be a bit of a made up issue to me. All of the high-end, WATER RESISTANT smartphones have internal batteries. Apple offers free battery replacement to those under warranty or having AppleCare+. They offer battery replacement to everyone for $79 otherwise. No is being forced to buy a new phone because of the battery. If you can afford a $700 phone you probably won't blink at $80 for a battery replacement.
So for a product which is intended to have a cover over it whenever it's not being used, unlike say an iPhone, Siri is permanently disabled when it's not in use.
Did you decide that for yourself then? The iPad has had an auto-sleep when the cover is closed function since gen 2. Close the cover and the iPad is put to sleep. Should Siri should still be listening when the device is asleep?
My iPad Pro has its cover closed only when I want it to be asleep. Normally, only when I put it in my briefcase, or when I'm asleep and I put it on the bookshelf over my bed. I have the cover open and acting as a stand all day long otherwise.
This is the type of behavior that one would expect from malware.
Actually, this is the type of behavior I’ve come to expect from Microsoft in Windows 10. Also lots of other software products. You clearly didn’t read the EULA, did you? We live in the age of no shame.
Kindly take your political spam elsewhere.
Johnson simultaneously going all-in to Vietnam and creating the Great Society welfare and Medicare programs didn't leave much money for the Space Program. When we went to the moon NASA got as much as 5% of the national budget. That could not be sustained.
Your email isn't on paper, and it isn't on your person. Fair game.
The Constitution was written before email and electronic documents could even be imagined as you certainly know. The thing is that with the Constitution we also got a Supreme Court to help us interpret it. The court has held that it doesn't have to be on paper to be considered to be as if it were. Police still need a warrant. If you don't like that the Constitution also provided that you could get an amendment passed that would override the court's rulings. Oh, BTW, being secure in our person doesn't have anything to do with documents or items in our pockets. It is a protection from arbitrary arrest.
Does not matter what he thinks, what the license itself says is what matters in a court of law.
Except only the rightsholder has the standing in court to enforce the license.