Nokia finally releases N97 to their still remaining fanbase at Europe&Parts of Asia for a price which is possibly higher than a "real laptop" (think like average joe or hans) with 12&24 month contracts and 780 Euros price in some areas when bought without contract.
I don't hear good things about N97 and besides some usual Symbian haters, some makes huge sense and they have a good point like the usual device flash/SD card schizophrenia, things being there but not performing well (Facebook) and very mixed signals with the latest Linux based netbook like thing.
Now they release this information for what reason exactly? To make more remaining customers of high end bang their heads to wall? One doesn't need to be a commercial spy to figure this has a big deal to do with MS Office deal with MSFT. The deal which didn't do anything but guaranteed state of the art Quickoffice to be abandoned for Symbian and moved to iPhone at some point in the future.
The current non-contract retail price of the N97 in Finland is 610 EUR. The iPhone 3GS is 1000 EUR. Basically the only difference between the two is the processor speed. All other features match.
Population density is always the same shit answer from the US.
Maybe you should learn your geography a bit better. Finnish Lapland has a population density of about 2 people / square kilometre and it has almost 100% coverage.
Only in the US do you have a 1st world country with such crap coverage.
The cost per square kilometre is going to be the same for a given population density in the US as anywhere else no matter the area to cover. So how come they can do it everywhere else except in the US. And your cellular providers even charge you much more in the US than anywhere else.
How about on my N810, The official browser is a Firefox 3.0 based browser (MicroB) that works, but is a little slow. Or I have Tear, a Webkit based browser, which is quite a bit faster.
I use both for Google Reader every day, while checking my emails at the same time. It streams music in the background, or I can minimize the browser and watch a movie.
And seeing as that is OMAP2 with 128MB of ram, and the N900 is OMAP3 with 256MB, I think it shouldn't be a problem.
How can they justify the price of an iPhone? The 3GS is much more expensive than that if you buy it unlocked.
Of course you do realise that Nokia always listed the unlocked price unlike Apple and AT&T who have seemed to have convinced the entire US population than an iPhone only costs $199.
This will be even cheaper than the Nokia N97. In Finland the full retail price of the N97 is 620 EUR. An iPhone 3GS is 1100 EUR. So, considering the N900 is the same platform (OMAP3) as the iPhone I think Apple is gouging you a little...
The site is from Russia and the articles in English tend to have rather interesting grammar and punctuation. So give them a break.
Second, the site is well known for leaking pre-release Nokia models (among others). I have no idea how they do it or where they get the protos from, but they are good at it and they know their shit.
If you followed the global mobile news you would know about mobile-review already. But most in the US don't know shit about anything except RIM, Apple and Motorola.
They could have gotten a cheap Nokia S60 phone, installed the Mobile Web Server http://mymobilesite.net/ on it and use the positioning information from that. It would have been cheaper still.
Plus, they were not "current users". They bought an iPhone especially to do this.
Most phones I've seen, except the iPhone, stores it's maps locally. They should even work with no GPS _or_ data reception (if you just want to use the map for setting up favourites, plan routes etc.)
This is Europe, as usual with mobile stories there are likely wild differences between EU and the US on this.
So true.
I have on my Nokai E71 the maps for several countries. I was recently in Italy and didn't need to use any data to get mapping because I had already downloaded (for free) the local maps for around Milan. And since Nokia builds in the mapping application to all their GPS phones there are no carrier charges.
The chips sets in the phones I've tried including the one on my Nokia 6220 classic are complete crap compared to my TomTom one XL or my Garmin Etrex Legend Hcx
Weird, my E71 locks on within seconds from inside our house and usually has between 6 and 9 satellites in lock. Works fine for me.
If 80% of the iPhone users use it for turn by turn directions RIGHT NOW, just what application are they using?
The article is a crock. iPhone users DO NOT have turn by turn navigation, only Googles manual route planning. And if they are using that while driving they all need a smack around the ears with a very heavy clue stick.
Real turn by turn knows where you are and gives you hands-free visual and voice directions on where to turn next along with immediate replanning if you miss a corner.
American's have a totally unrealistic view of car prices.
In Finland 35,000 EUR will get you a something nice in the range of a 2.0L Ford Mondeo or a little BMW 318, or perhaps a Honda Accord. A medium SUV from Hyundai or Kia is about 45,000 EUR, and even low end luxury cars are over 60,000 EUR.
If the Model S would be in the price range of a Honda Accord here they will sell more than they could ever produce...
Just going from my experience, I've never worked in an office/cube that didn't come with a private landline phone.
Even on contracting gigs...they give phones in my experience.
I've always figured, why use my minutes (not to mention often cells can get bad reception, and you end up shouting in them where everyone else can hear your conversations).
Welcome to my office. There isn't a landline in sight except for the conference phones in the meeting rooms. And there are hundreds of people working here.
I think they meant that Microsoft is making even bigger profits because of the weak dollar. So it amplifies the difference between the pricing.
And MS has a very strange idea of Europe. They don't even offer the special pre-order discount anywhere outside of France, Germany, or the UK. So those of us in the rest of Europe are totally fucked.
Or are MS suggesting that it costs that much to spell words like "colour" and "flavour" correctly and swap the primary definition for "Hood" and "Bonnet" around?;-)
Actually MS has officially said "screw you" when it comes to a British English version of Windows. So you don't even get that for your extra £££.
There is no deep packet inspection and it is a total beat up. All telecom network equipment supports the ability to wiretap calls, and that is all the NSN network equipment can do as well.
It is extremely easy to see coverage maps for GSM and 3G networks.
The population density excuse doesn't hold any water at all. Check out the GSM coverage of Finnish Lapland for example. The population density there is easily below 10 per sq. km.
As a native English speaker living in Finland I find it quite funny that most of my work colleagues, and even my wife, use English as the user interface language on their computers (Windows or Mac).
Most of them comment that if they use their computer in Finnish they don't understand what anything means. Many of the user interface terms are pretty much "invented" only for computer usage.
How about tracking your sports training with the GPS and listening to music at the same time. Opps, can't do that, but I can on my Nokia.
Bzzzzt, total FAIL.
Hell, I leave network accessing apps running in the background all time time on my old E70 (with a half dead battery) and I still don't get 80% decrease in battery.
Have you ever considered the reason is just that Apple can't figure out how to make an energy efficient OS?
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Nokia finally releases N97 to their still remaining fanbase at Europe&Parts of Asia for a price which is possibly higher than a "real laptop" (think like average joe or hans) with 12&24 month contracts and 780 Euros price in some areas when bought without contract.
I don't hear good things about N97 and besides some usual Symbian haters, some makes huge sense and they have a good point like the usual device flash/SD card schizophrenia, things being there but not performing well (Facebook) and very mixed signals with the latest Linux based netbook like thing.
Now they release this information for what reason exactly? To make more remaining customers of high end bang their heads to wall? One doesn't need to be a commercial spy to figure this has a big deal to do with MS Office deal with MSFT. The deal which didn't do anything but guaranteed state of the art Quickoffice to be abandoned for Symbian and moved to iPhone at some point in the future.
The current non-contract retail price of the N97 in Finland is 610 EUR. The iPhone 3GS is 1000 EUR. Basically the only difference between the two is the processor speed. All other features match.
So who is the expensive one?
How many of those netbooks come in an aluminium case and have GPS?
Funny you should mention that.
Mozilla uses a cluster of N810's for developing/testing Fennec...
http://blog.johnford.info/14-more-nokias/
Population density is always the same shit answer from the US.
Maybe you should learn your geography a bit better. Finnish Lapland has a population density of about 2 people / square kilometre and it has almost 100% coverage.
Only in the US do you have a 1st world country with such crap coverage.
The cost per square kilometre is going to be the same for a given population density in the US as anywhere else no matter the area to cover. So how come they can do it everywhere else except in the US. And your cellular providers even charge you much more in the US than anywhere else.
How about on my N810, The official browser is a Firefox 3.0 based browser (MicroB) that works, but is a little slow. Or I have Tear, a Webkit based browser, which is quite a bit faster.
I use both for Google Reader every day, while checking my emails at the same time. It streams music in the background, or I can minimize the browser and watch a movie.
And seeing as that is OMAP2 with 128MB of ram, and the N900 is OMAP3 with 256MB, I think it shouldn't be a problem.
Nokia and Intel recently announced a deal on oFono, which is basically Nokia's opensource stack to control the phone section of the platform.
As far as I know it basically uses "AT" commands to control the GSM/UMTS chipset.
So the stack is opensource, the chipset is not.
How can they justify the price of an iPhone? The 3GS is much more expensive than that if you buy it unlocked.
Of course you do realise that Nokia always listed the unlocked price unlike Apple and AT&T who have seemed to have convinced the entire US population than an iPhone only costs $199.
This will be even cheaper than the Nokia N97. In Finland the full retail price of the N97 is 620 EUR. An iPhone 3GS is 1100 EUR. So, considering the N900 is the same platform (OMAP3) as the iPhone I think Apple is gouging you a little...
Uh huh. Except these Nokia devices had 800x480 screens several years ago.
The site is from Russia and the articles in English tend to have rather interesting grammar and punctuation. So give them a break.
Second, the site is well known for leaking pre-release Nokia models (among others). I have no idea how they do it or where they get the protos from, but they are good at it and they know their shit.
If you followed the global mobile news you would know about mobile-review already. But most in the US don't know shit about anything except RIM, Apple and Motorola.
As someone who ordered the cheap 7E specifically because it was the full retail package I'd be extremely pissed off if they change their minds.
But specifically I can't see where CNET got the info from. The MS statement doesn't say anything about it, and Computer World says they don't know.
Everyone missed the point that this is the first "E" edition and therefore there is no upgrade version available.
Microsoft is selling the full retail package at the upgrade price.
The full retail package of Vista is 200 Eur here in Finland. I ordered 7 for 62 Eur delivered from Amazon. Good deal for me.
They could have gotten a cheap Nokia S60 phone, installed the Mobile Web Server http://mymobilesite.net/ on it and use the positioning information from that. It would have been cheaper still.
Plus, they were not "current users". They bought an iPhone especially to do this.
Most phones I've seen, except the iPhone, stores it's maps locally. They should even work with no GPS _or_ data reception (if you just want to use the map for setting up favourites, plan routes etc.)
This is Europe, as usual with mobile stories there are likely wild differences between EU and the US on this.
So true.
I have on my Nokai E71 the maps for several countries. I was recently in Italy and didn't need to use any data to get mapping because I had already downloaded (for free) the local maps for around Milan. And since Nokia builds in the mapping application to all their GPS phones there are no carrier charges.
You are getting royally shafted in the US.
The chips sets in the phones I've tried including the one on my Nokia 6220 classic are complete crap compared to my TomTom one XL or my Garmin Etrex Legend Hcx
Weird, my E71 locks on within seconds from inside our house and usually has between 6 and 9 satellites in lock. Works fine for me.
If 80% of the iPhone users use it for turn by turn directions RIGHT NOW, just what application are they using?
The article is a crock. iPhone users DO NOT have turn by turn navigation, only Googles manual route planning. And if they are using that while driving they all need a smack around the ears with a very heavy clue stick.
Real turn by turn knows where you are and gives you hands-free visual and voice directions on where to turn next along with immediate replanning if you miss a corner.
American's have a totally unrealistic view of car prices.
In Finland 35,000 EUR will get you a something nice in the range of a 2.0L Ford Mondeo or a little BMW 318, or perhaps a Honda Accord. A medium SUV from Hyundai or Kia is about 45,000 EUR, and even low end luxury cars are over 60,000 EUR.
If the Model S would be in the price range of a Honda Accord here they will sell more than they could ever produce...
Just going from my experience, I've never worked in an office/cube that didn't come with a private landline phone.
Even on contracting gigs...they give phones in my experience.
I've always figured, why use my minutes (not to mention often cells can get bad reception, and you end up shouting in them where everyone else can hear your conversations).
Welcome to my office. There isn't a landline in sight except for the conference phones in the meeting rooms. And there are hundreds of people working here.
Why not just use the landline they provide you at work at your desk?
Landline?!?! Are you still living in the dark ages or something.
Where I work they took away our landline years ago. Everyone gets a mobile phone.
Given the choice between Ubuntu and Windows 7 I'll take Windows.
And for some reason my games actually work.
But anyway, what is so special about France and Germany that they get a discount and the rest of us don't?
I think they meant that Microsoft is making even bigger profits because of the weak dollar. So it amplifies the difference between the pricing.
And MS has a very strange idea of Europe. They don't even offer the special pre-order discount anywhere outside of France, Germany, or the UK. So those of us in the rest of Europe are totally fucked.
Or are MS suggesting that it costs that much to spell words like "colour" and "flavour" correctly and swap the primary definition for "Hood" and "Bonnet" around? ;-)
Actually MS has officially said "screw you" when it comes to a British English version of Windows. So you don't even get that for your extra £££.
There is no deep packet inspection and it is a total beat up. All telecom network equipment supports the ability to wiretap calls, and that is all the NSN network equipment can do as well.
http://blogs.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/news/2009/06/22/provision-of-lawful-intercept-capability-in-iran/
It is extremely easy to see coverage maps for GSM and 3G networks.
The population density excuse doesn't hold any water at all. Check out the GSM coverage of Finnish Lapland for example. The population density there is easily below 10 per sq. km.
http://gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=fi&net=t3
As a native English speaker living in Finland I find it quite funny that most of my work colleagues, and even my wife, use English as the user interface language on their computers (Windows or Mac).
Most of them comment that if they use their computer in Finnish they don't understand what anything means. Many of the user interface terms are pretty much "invented" only for computer usage.
Yeah, and their example is also complete twaddle.
How about tracking your sports training with the GPS and listening to music at the same time. Opps, can't do that, but I can on my Nokia.
Bzzzzt, total FAIL.
Hell, I leave network accessing apps running in the background all time time on my old E70 (with a half dead battery) and I still don't get 80% decrease in battery.
Have you ever considered the reason is just that Apple can't figure out how to make an energy efficient OS?