I'll waste some karma replying because, as a story submitter, I've been caught in the double bind you're annoyed by. If you give it some thought you'll grant that the writer of the story being submitted has taken the time to adequately summarize his/her article, or, a secondary source has done an even more thorough job of summarizing the data. Often the submitter of a story is better serving the community by quoting the anterior summary, versus, say, struggling to come up with an alternative summary at the expense of clarity. Really, aside from the cardinal sin of not quoting the source, the submissions heavily ladened with quotes are often the better. I'm now going to try get rid of the time I've too much of on my hands.:) cheers
The following speaks best to what it is: "When and if that is achieved, the models should have predictive, as well as descriptive, power."
When and if are very big words in forecasting;)
you wrote: "whether the new "experience" will be "compelling" enough to save their virtual ass."
I agree but think it's important to note MS is playing with a gammer's pleasure centre. And successfully stroking someone's pleasure centre pays off in a big way, but the opposite holds and someone deep in a compelling game will feel badly burnt if his connection goes down while he's (she's) deeply pluged in. So the down side is just as steep as the potential profit curve.
I thought the following quote said it all: "The trick for Microsoft will be ensuring that lag remains a non-issue when the system opens up to a vastly larger player base."
Latency doesn't add to the gaming experience and the net isn't always the most accomodating environment.
Presently the high end PC market is drying up as users come to realize a Celery 1ghz and some vid ram will take them anywhere they want to go. With them went the market that allowed Moore's Law to propogate during the commoditization (ugly word) of the PC. Aside from the server/workstation market who are the buyers for this technology?
The texts and journals listed are an excellent view of the presuppostions those who will grade you bring with them to the course. Obviously the old threesome of rigour, robustness and elegance require some specific refinement in light of the requirements of the course. Be grateful you're not being presented a heavy course load uninformed as to the necessary information given you in this course.
Dragon lore in Chinese mythology is thought to go back to days when sea going Crocodiles swam the shorelines of China. I could be mistaken but I believe the Dragon motif plays out in a big way in the I Ching which goes way back in history to a time when the hexagrams of the I Ching were etched on turtle shells and used as a means of divination. More than you probably wanted to know. cheers
Do you mean over myself as in dead? Ah, no. Not that I'm aware of, but given your Anonymous post and it's content, I think you can take my word that you're virtually dead.:)))))))))
With apologies to Rudy Rucker... wet ware rules whether in the photographer or the camera. Pulling focus Rocks! Stand less than fifty feet from a predator in the wild with a 300 mil lense and pull focus off one eyeball of the beast, then develop those E6, 50 ASA slides and tell me you want a digital camera. I don't think so. And ya you can pull focus on a 300 mil lense on a monopod shooting 50 ASA although the lights gotta be right. And it's such a rush, breath, steady.
Is it just me or has anyone else noted the striking resemblance The Filthy Critic has to Lee Harvey Oswald? I'm canajen eh! so I haven't got the gift for nefarious conspiracies that you yanks have but I just thought it should be pointed out and I've been away and wanted to see if it's as much fun to blow off karma with the points gone...... no... it's not... Oh well where'd I put that bong.
Man I thought I was back in first year college deal'n to make my tuition. From what I can remember that was the application most of my Hash Cash went to.
soft fun drugs will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no soft fun drugs... so the furry freak bro's kinda, more or less said
The rule of parsimony, Occam's razor holds in this thread. Content rules the net. The internet is a network and as a network the principle of KISS applies. What is wanted, what is preeminent is unadorned information. I celebrated the dot com crash and revel in the return of sites primarily textual. The push on the part of developers to bells and whistles brings to mind the Pentax advert for their great 6x4 camera... 'bells and whistles are for clowns'. My research is interfered with on a daily basis where site developers want to cloak info in bells and whistles. Those who need to impart info with a flourish, letting the bells ring out and the banners fly, are akin to some mad scientist intent on tatooing his neurons and tie dying his neural clusters to better celebrate his intelligence. On the internet the most pernicious and ubiquitous bug is humbug.
Wow, rereading this I'm well on my way to curmudgeondom
I've spent the most part of my life studying epistemology. Epistemology can be defined as an attempt to frame an answer to questions dealing with how it is we can know. More recently, in the last decade my studies have keyed more on trying to glimpse an insight into the presuppositions that underlie our world view. September 11 seemed to bury whatever pathways to understanding I might have investigated and left me feeling at best, somehow, impertinent and clinging to facile solutions. Perhaps what comes of the horror of events like 9/11 is that we carry on.
DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light
Ah! A summer away from/. and I return to find the same stagnant backwater mentality. In a world desperately in need of a sense of community and, all the more so, in talking of a technology carrying with it the hope of *communication* the/. talk is of _them_ against _us_. O me, O my it's back to my cabin in the woods I go.
"...nothing really new here for geeks, but a good URL to send to your less technically-inclined friends."
Given the warped weltanschauung of most/. weenies, I hazard the "technically-inclined" are, if not badly out of kilter, then, likely best described as bent. I point to exhibit a: "technically-inclined"
"...a consultant used his inside knowledge of a local sewage treatment system to dump raw sewage, hoping for a contract to solve the problem he created.
I guess this out-does the old, burning paper bag 'o dog shit on the doorstep trick.:)
Hi. I'm awake with a 2nd mug of coffee after 14+ hrs sleep and feeling much better thank you. Living on the west coast and taking a summer's day off to smoke more phaties than needed, then posting to/. can be hazardous to one's ego. But to the questions at hand. I'll try to keep this short because it's trivial.
I meant cyborg and should have posted anthropocyborgic. Personally I prefer anthroporobotic, but as you characterized me as stupid and then went on to misuse the correct combinational form, 'anthropo-', (you used anthro-"), and given my _state_ well then I let loose the dogs, didn't I, and, what else was I to do?
In defense of the term anthropocyborgic (ugly term, but, perhaps, onomatopically, more appropriate, depending on one's politics) I would conjecture that as cybernetics deals with control systems and the intent is to programme a machine capable of expressing human attributes, then, it would necessitate, (in this case), expressing the human mind and as such manufacture of a human brain. As the brain houses the mind (ya, ya, Descartes, et al) then development of the combined terms might support the use of cyborg(ic) as, otherwise the cyborg would not contain the 'human element' and a human with all but his/her mind replaced is just someone with a shiltload of prostheses. I'm not suggesting the argument should stand to replace anthropocyboric as against anthroporobotic (your term handles the wider range of a robot evincing human traits of the mind where it was not intentionally built to do so). Good enough? I hope so I still have some free time, the sun is shinning and, no doubt the beer is cold.
Let's not forget Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast Trilogy. Kafa was the cartographer of the post industrial, paranoid, alienated, disenfranchised; and, Stanislaw Lem and Gold are latecomers, fun to read but just picking up the thread where the master left off. Strange Kafka wanted all his works burnt because he felt them deficient.
Did you, in dread flight of bursting my bubble, take note that I used the combinatorial form 'cybog', while the poster noted the term 'cyber', whick relates to more to networking than to an attempt to write a programme which acts in a steermanship like role much akin to our concept of mind, although other variations on these definitions are allowed.
Goes to usage. Is it a prefix, or, like 'anthropo-' is it the combinatorial form of the word? If there is a combinatorial form of the word from which cyber derives which is other than 'cyber', then, you may, as you seem to dread doing, burst my bubble.
Out of curiosity, what would "cybermorphic" or "anthropocyboric" score in Scrabble? Each player is allowed a maximum of 7 letters from which any acceptable word may be formed with any number of letters and in conjucntion with any letters on the board where space permits. Each letter has it's own value, a value which may be increased depending on the square on which it is placed, plus the value of a newly formed word may be increased. With a maximum of 7 letters either term would require playing off some part of the whole term. Given the construction of the two terms it's unlikely either could be played.
Etymology: Late Latin (anthropomorphus of human form), from Greek anthrOpomorphos, from anthrOp- + -morphos -morphous
Date: 1827
1 : described or thought of as having a human form or human attributes
2 : ascribing human characteristics to nonhuman things
You've noted: " The "Cyber" prefix..."
I used Cyber as a suffix... Please to be less stupid you sticky fingered little git.
anthrop-
Variant(s): or anthropo-
Function: combining form
Etymology: Latin anthropo-, from Greek anthrOp-, anthrOpo-, from anthrOpos
: human being
if anthrop- references the human attribute and the intent is to coin a term embracing both the human attributes and those of a robot with "imputted" human attributes, i.e., a cyborg then anthropocybogic might fit... even tho the term was coined mostly in fun. BTW: if you're going to start out characterizing me as stupid you'd better be flawless in your attack.
We have the term 'anthropomorphic', but we haven't a term in wide usage to indicate a tendency to view robotic actions in terms of our own drives:). Thus I propose 'anthropocyboric'. While a robots programme may account for being unconstrained, or, tacitly account for being 'where the action is', etc. it doesn't represent a robot being emotionally driven, or, being driven by a belief in ideals.
Now to see what I can do about getting my scrabble opponents to accept 'anthropocyboric'.
Being a long time Cray fan and standing in awe of how massive are the undertakings currently being driven by supercomputer, I would normally be impressed. But I just finished reading Seth Lloyd's article at the Edge. The MIT professor of Mechanical Engineering came up with "The amount of information that can be stored by the ultimate laptop, 10 to the 31st bits, is much higher than the 10 to the 10th bits stored on current laptops". I know/. dealt with this recently but reading the prof's thought processes in depth is a fun intellectual high.
O yah I gotta get me a Beowulf cluster 'o these, baby.
Slashdot Mirror
I'll waste some karma replying because, as a story submitter, I've been caught in the double bind you're annoyed by. If you give it some thought you'll grant that the writer of the story being submitted has taken the time to adequately summarize his/her article, or, a secondary source has done an even more thorough job of summarizing the data. Often the submitter of a story is better serving the community by quoting the anterior summary, versus, say, struggling to come up with an alternative summary at the expense of clarity. Really, aside from the cardinal sin of not quoting the source, the submissions heavily ladened with quotes are often the better. I'm now going to try get rid of the time I've too much of on my hands. :) cheers
The following speaks best to what it is: "When and if that is achieved, the models should have predictive, as well as descriptive, power." ;)
When and if are very big words in forecasting
you wrote: "whether the new "experience" will be "compelling" enough to save their virtual ass."
I agree but think it's important to note MS is playing with a gammer's pleasure centre. And successfully stroking someone's pleasure centre pays off in a big way, but the opposite holds and someone deep in a compelling game will feel badly burnt if his connection goes down while he's (she's) deeply pluged in. So the down side is just as steep as the potential profit curve.
I thought the following quote said it all: "The trick for Microsoft will be ensuring that lag remains a non-issue when the system opens up to a vastly larger player base."
Latency doesn't add to the gaming experience and the net isn't always the most accomodating environment.
Presently the high end PC market is drying up as users come to realize a Celery 1ghz and some vid ram will take them anywhere they want to go. With them went the market that allowed Moore's Law to propogate during the commoditization (ugly word) of the PC. Aside from the server/workstation market who are the buyers for this technology?
The texts and journals listed are an excellent view of the presuppostions those who will grade you bring with them to the course. Obviously the old threesome of rigour, robustness and elegance require some specific refinement in light of the requirements of the course. Be grateful you're not being presented a heavy course load uninformed as to the necessary information given you in this course.
Dragon lore in Chinese mythology is thought to go back to days when sea going Crocodiles swam the shorelines of China. I could be mistaken but I believe the Dragon motif plays out in a big way in the I Ching which goes way back in history to a time when the hexagrams of the I Ching were etched on turtle shells and used as a means of divination. More than you probably wanted to know.
cheers
Do you mean over myself as in dead? Ah, no. Not that I'm aware of, but given your Anonymous post and it's content, I think you can take my word that you're virtually dead. :)))))))))
With apologies to Rudy Rucker... wet ware rules whether in the photographer or the camera. Pulling focus Rocks! Stand less than fifty feet from a predator in the wild with a 300 mil lense and pull focus off one eyeball of the beast, then develop those E6, 50 ASA slides and tell me you want a digital camera. I don't think so. And ya you can pull focus on a 300 mil lense on a monopod shooting 50 ASA although the lights gotta be right. And it's such a rush, breath, steady.
Is it just me or has anyone else noted the striking resemblance The Filthy Critic has to Lee Harvey Oswald? I'm canajen eh! so I haven't got the gift for nefarious conspiracies that you yanks have but I just thought it should be pointed out and I've been away and wanted to see if it's as much fun to blow off karma with the points gone... ... no... it's not... Oh well where'd I put that bong.
Man I thought I was back in first year college deal'n to make my tuition. From what I can remember that was the application most of my Hash Cash went to.
soft fun drugs will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no soft fun drugs... so the furry freak bro's kinda, more or less said
The rule of parsimony, Occam's razor holds in this thread. Content rules the net. The internet is a network and as a network the principle of KISS applies. What is wanted, what is preeminent is unadorned information. I celebrated the dot com crash and revel in the return of sites primarily textual. The push on the part of developers to bells and whistles brings to mind the Pentax advert for their great 6x4 camera... 'bells and whistles are for clowns'. My research is interfered with on a daily basis where site developers want to cloak info in bells and whistles. Those who need to impart info with a flourish, letting the bells ring out and the banners fly, are akin to some mad scientist intent on tatooing his neurons and tie dying his neural clusters to better celebrate his intelligence. On the internet the most pernicious and ubiquitous bug is humbug .
Wow, rereading this I'm well on my way to curmudgeondom
I've spent the most part of my life studying epistemology. Epistemology can be defined as an attempt to frame an answer to questions dealing with how it is we can know. More recently, in the last decade my studies have keyed more on trying to glimpse an insight into the presuppositions that underlie our world view. September 11 seemed to bury whatever pathways to understanding I might have investigated and left me feeling at best, somehow, impertinent and clinging to facile solutions. Perhaps what comes of the horror of events like 9/11 is that we carry on.
DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
Dylan Thomas
cheers
Ah! A summer away from /. and I return to find the same stagnant backwater mentality. In a world desperately in need of a sense of community and, all the more so, in talking of a technology carrying with it the hope of *communication* the /. talk is of _them_ against _us_. O me, O my it's back to my cabin in the woods I go.
"...nothing really new here for geeks, but a good URL to send to your less technically-inclined friends."
Given the warped weltanschauung of most /. weenies, I hazard the "technically-inclined" are, if not badly out of kilter, then, likely best described as bent . I point to exhibit a: "technically-inclined"
" ...a consultant used his inside knowledge of a local sewage treatment system to dump raw sewage, hoping for a contract to solve the problem he created.
I guess this out-does the old, burning paper bag 'o dog shit on the doorstep trick. :)
Hi. I'm awake with a 2nd mug of coffee after 14+ hrs sleep and feeling much better thank you. Living on the west coast and taking a summer's day off to smoke more phaties than needed, then posting to /. can be hazardous to one's ego. But to the questions at hand. I'll try to keep this short because it's trivial.
I meant cyborg and should have posted anthropocyborgic. Personally I prefer anthroporobotic, but as you characterized me as stupid and then went on to misuse the correct combinational form, 'anthropo-', (you used anthro-"), and given my _state_ well then I let loose the dogs, didn't I, and, what else was I to do?
In defense of the term anthropocyborgic (ugly term, but, perhaps, onomatopically, more appropriate, depending on one's politics) I would conjecture that as cybernetics deals with control systems and the intent is to programme a machine capable of expressing human attributes, then, it would necessitate, (in this case), expressing the human mind and as such manufacture of a human brain. As the brain houses the mind (ya, ya, Descartes, et al) then development of the combined terms might support the use of cyborg(ic) as, otherwise the cyborg would not contain the 'human element' and a human with all but his/her mind replaced is just someone with a shiltload of prostheses. I'm not suggesting the argument should stand to replace anthropocyboric as against anthroporobotic (your term handles the wider range of a robot evincing human traits of the mind where it was not intentionally built to do so). Good enough? I hope so I still have some free time, the sun is shinning and, no doubt the beer is cold.
cheersLet's not forget Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast Trilogy. Kafa was the cartographer of the post industrial, paranoid, alienated, disenfranchised; and, Stanislaw Lem and Gold are latecomers, fun to read but just picking up the thread where the master left off. Strange Kafka wanted all his works burnt because he felt them deficient.
Did you, in dread flight of bursting my bubble, take note that I used the combinatorial form 'cybog', while the poster noted the term 'cyber', whick relates to more to networking than to an attempt to write a programme which acts in a steermanship like role much akin to our concept of mind, although other variations on these definitions are allowed.
Goes to usage. Is it a prefix, or, like 'anthropo-' is it the combinatorial form of the word? If there is a combinatorial form of the word from which cyber derives which is other than 'cyber', then, you may, as you seem to dread doing, burst my bubble.
Each player is allowed a maximum of 7 letters from which any acceptable word may be formed with any number of letters and in conjucntion with any letters on the board where space permits. Each letter has it's own value, a value which may be increased depending on the square on which it is placed, plus the value of a newly formed word may be increased. With a maximum of 7 letters either term would require playing off some part of the whole term. Given the construction of the two terms it's unlikely either could be played.
Please see reply to post above. Cheers
anthropomorphic
Etymology: Late Latin (anthropomorphus of human form), from Greek anthrOpomorphos, from anthrOp- + -morphos -morphous
Date: 1827
1 : described or thought of as having a human form or human attributes
2 : ascribing human characteristics to nonhuman things
You've noted: " The "Cyber" prefix..."
I used Cyber as a suffix... Please to be less stupid you sticky fingered little git.
anthrop-
Variant(s): or anthropo-
Function: combining form
Etymology: Latin anthropo-, from Greek anthrOp-, anthrOpo-, from anthrOpos
: human being
if anthrop- references the human attribute and the intent is to coin a term embracing both the human attributes and those of a robot with "imputted" human attributes, i.e., a cyborg then anthropocybogic might fit... even tho the term was coined mostly in fun. BTW: if you're going to start out characterizing me as stupid you'd better be flawless in your attack.
We have the term 'anthropomorphic', but we haven't a term in wide usage to indicate a tendency to view robotic actions in terms of our own drives :). Thus I propose 'anthropocyboric'. While a robots programme may account for being unconstrained, or, tacitly account for being 'where the action is', etc. it doesn't represent a robot being emotionally driven, or, being driven by a belief in ideals.
Now to see what I can do about getting my scrabble opponents to accept 'anthropocyboric'.
" But I saw it at slashdot!
for finding the correct answer
42
We all know it's 42... Logos... suffer the light
Being a long time Cray fan and standing in awe of how massive are the undertakings currently being driven by supercomputer, I would normally be impressed. But I just finished reading Seth Lloyd's article at the Edge. The MIT professor of Mechanical Engineering came up with "The amount of information that can be stored by the ultimate laptop, 10 to the 31st bits, is much higher than the 10 to the 10th bits stored on current laptops". I know /. dealt with this recently but reading the prof's thought processes in depth is a fun intellectual high.
O yah I gotta get me a Beowulf cluster 'o these, baby.