by suing SCO. - Copyright violations of current kernel developers. - Extorion of businesses using foney copyright claims. - Membership of a criminal organisation, aimed at making extortion money, this includes SUN, MS, and other licencees of alleged "derivatives". - Ransacking the commons in a destructive way (ok there SHOULD be a law against that) - Inflating stockprices with false information with the intent to profit.
I propose we start a fund, treasured by FSF, spokon by RMS. We then approach several law firms, and let them bid for a piece of the pie we will no doubt win. (Look under the tablecloth guys! Check who owns SCO shares)
I sense a huge hole in the legal market here... Lets make money! Ill buy (err I mean deposit) money in such fund! Lots!/Dread
"Why not? It would be obvious to have linux based servers on top of the platform, so to have no responce to that makes me wonder"
God man dont make me shiver! MS has no business on that cool platform, but since SCO -remember- , IBM has all the more reason to hush about linux adventures! Your wrong! Your Wrong! Windows! On Mac hardware! VPC is hard enough, alright! -spit-/Dread
I understand why you say this. This is my feeling too for home use. Specs rule. However my CEO at work would not agree, he demands proper HW support.
And not without reason, nothing prevents a hardware vendor to stop playing nice with linux home users.
Imagine us (a nix based DB software vendor) offering a solution based on linux, including HCL (as current) but a crucial HW vendor dropping its support...
This *IS* the problem. More companies should openly state there *dedication* to the platform, a-la IBM, Novell etc. ATI and the others, should make *open source* drivers avail, to let us hack em into shape. If needed. I cant professionally settle for any less. Well that, or their openly stated dedication (and then if they insist, for crying out load keep the drivers closed, Ill bitch if they wont work!)
- Recently purchased a Radeon 9700, on account that drivers for linux were listed on vendors webpage. - Two weeks later my order is there, I go to the website, no show... - I log in to slashdot to find out my vendor is dropping its references to, and aid of (if there ever was such a thing) to third party driver developers...
Im inclined to ship the card back, but it really is nice for UR2 and upcoming HL2 in the Other OS, so I didnt.. (im weak)
For the longest time I have been listing to the faint mumblings of the once so-called PowerPC Reference Platform. I for one, would be seriously interested in another platform besides Intel (wintel) where the hardware specs are as open as possible.
- Slower clocked RISC chips seem still to outperform the Intel line, although RISC perhaps is an outdated acronym. - Couple this with a basically organically grown Intel MoBo based PC, with archaic Need To Have's like the floppy disk. - Add to this a brilliant company (Apple) constantly being marginalized by having an 'incompatible' plaform. (Apple does not want apple clones, but they sure would want to profit from the techno push the PC plaform gives to hardware)
It could end up in a faster evolving hardware platform, where software (think linux) and hardware (like Prep) evolve at the same speed (think Edsgar Dijkstra)
its about bad business practices, where companies make deals with Hardware vendors about USING technology in such a way that competition gets stifled, and they ARE getting away with it...
Rescue CD's without partition options are just that, and they suck. There outta be a LAW against them! And Im saying this as a professional multi OS licenced system engineer, NOT as a home linux zealot (which I am too, but there the solution is easy)
Tech guy 1: Lets implement Linux instead of this crappy Open Server/UnixWare. Mind you, our database vendor, prefers Linux. Tech guy 2: Lets not. Its dangerous. We rely on trust from our customers. Tech guy 1: Lets provide our customers with trust, lets get support from IBM. Let us make money from trust. Boss: IBM is doing Linux? Our Database vendor wont support SCO in time? Lets switch NOW./Dread
in fact, the only reason we never switched to another was there was basically no need, and it was on noones eyeball.
Thanks to Darl's claims, now it is. Thank you Darl!/Dread
This is a brilliant interview and Bill is right
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Bill Gates On Linux
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The interviewer did this for the papperazi in the USA? Wow. Im seriously impressed. Some quality newspaper will snap this undoublty young person up soon. Why? - He got to ask unpopular, smart questions to BillG, a feat I havent yet seen dony by Slashdot f.e. - He persists, even if Bill gives him a run around. - He holds his style (Nobody used OS/2, will linux run MS)
Bill G is right when he sais: "And yeah, we, on educational bids, we will meet competition. That's considered healthy pro-competitive behavior."
That means Bill gives software away for free BECAUSE OF COMPETITION! That probably means they get their revenue on that from SUPPORT! (Or they are undercutting potential competition, which is abuse of monopoly, and they are cleary not doing that anymore he sais) Did Bill sniff some clue glue?
(And apparently Linux isnt competition in the business market, so one has to ponder what the hell these business managers are thinking, if the education market prooves it can be done, isnt the business paying too much?)/Dread
TO all who recently bought ATI onm behalf of there being linux support (I did, a 9700 cuz there was a link to a driver ON THE ATI PAGES!):
Send a polite email ASKING for 'commitment' regarding the linux platform in respect of your newly purchased ATI product. Point to them you bought it, because they had 'links to supported drivers before, but now you cannot find them anymore (on their site)'
Tell them you will otherwise be forced to not buy anymore wonderfull ATI products, and also unfortunaly have to send your recently purchased product back (only if you are willing to do just that)
Obviously your local LUG will have to be advised to 'not use ATI' anymore too.
Also, with only two players in the market, and them being evil, and more evil, dont expect that your buying boycott will actually bother them./Dread
I work for a SCO shop. (Well we run SCO and sell stuff running on it)
Suddenly our OpenServer =>> UnixWare update project is being re-evaluated in favour of... linux
I love it, make more noise for Linux SCO, it a few moths key people (in a must-be-rocksteady server market) will think Linux is ok, because IBM says so.
IANTP (I Am No Thermal Physicist) but why would that hold me back? Sure it works. Just create a small Steam Propelled electro motor, which outputs 12volts.. lets start with those case fans eh?
I suppose if Europe complains about the all-decaf beans, resulting from cross-pollination, the Americans will point out that the thirld world is now a happy coffee consumer, so we should shut up?
"Try saying that to France whos Iraq business deals were under threat. They opposed the war, but I dont believe for one minute it was for moral reasons. "
As opposed to the white hat knight in shiny armour, Bush?/Dread
I think you step on two thoughts here: one, building a PVR is something a USER can do. (True, but not for the cost of a TIVO, unless one is a hacker of sorts, which defeats the purpose of a simple appliance)
Two, It aint economical because of the power req. But this one holds only true to businesses IMHO. For some reason, I cannot imagine a 16 y/o hacker to be worried about wattage.
The problem could be solved by a OS business selling TIVO services... Thats what I ment really.
Slashdot Mirror
to destroy Linux...
/Dread
I see some people mention that MS is doing this in a response to the threats of SCO.
I think it is quite the contrary (or so my tinfoil hat told me).
This just seems too coincidental with the "Using Linux could mean legal fees" SCO campaign.
Now we have a *real* alternative if we worry about vague "legal fees", just use MS!
by suing SCO.
/Dread
- Copyright violations of current kernel developers.
- Extorion of businesses using foney copyright claims.
- Membership of a criminal organisation, aimed at making extortion money, this includes SUN, MS, and other licencees of alleged "derivatives".
- Ransacking the commons in a destructive way (ok there SHOULD be a law against that)
- Inflating stockprices with false information with the intent to profit.
I propose we start a fund, treasured by FSF, spokon by RMS.
We then approach several law firms, and let them bid for a piece of the pie we will no doubt win. (Look under the tablecloth guys! Check who owns SCO shares)
I sense a huge hole in the legal market here... Lets make money! Ill buy (err I mean deposit) money in such fund! Lots!
"Why not? It would be obvious to have linux based servers on top of the platform, so to have no responce to that makes me wonder"
/Dread
God man dont make me shiver! MS has no business on that cool platform, but since SCO -remember- , IBM has all the more reason to hush about linux adventures!
Your wrong! Your Wrong! Windows! On Mac hardware! VPC is hard enough, alright! -spit-
I understand why you say this. This is my feeling too for home use. Specs rule. However my CEO at work would not agree, he demands proper HW support.
/Dread
And not without reason, nothing prevents a hardware vendor to stop playing nice with linux home users.
Imagine us (a nix based DB software vendor) offering a solution based on linux, including HCL (as current) but a crucial HW vendor dropping its support...
This *IS* the problem. More companies should openly state there *dedication* to the platform, a-la IBM, Novell etc. ATI and the others, should make *open source* drivers avail, to let us hack em into shape. If needed. I cant professionally settle for any less. Well that, or their openly stated dedication (and then if they insist, for crying out load keep the drivers closed, Ill bitch if they wont work!)
Thanks for the reply,
-mistake- -unofficial-
I understand, it is however high due time for some -official- support... is it not IYHO?
Easier said then done:
/Dread
- Recently purchased a Radeon 9700, on account that drivers for linux were listed on vendors webpage.
- Two weeks later my order is there, I go to the website, no show...
- I log in to slashdot to find out my vendor is dropping its references to, and aid of (if there ever was such a thing) to third party driver developers...
Im inclined to ship the card back, but it really is nice for UR2 and upcoming HL2 in the Other OS, so I didnt.. (im weak)
hugs
For the longest time I have been listing to the faint mumblings of the once so-called PowerPC Reference Platform.
/Dread
I for one, would be seriously interested in another platform besides Intel (wintel) where the hardware specs are as open as possible.
- Slower clocked RISC chips seem still to outperform the Intel line, although RISC perhaps is an outdated acronym.
- Couple this with a basically organically grown Intel MoBo based PC, with archaic Need To Have's like the floppy disk.
- Add to this a brilliant company (Apple) constantly being marginalized by having an 'incompatible' plaform.
(Apple does not want apple clones, but they sure would want to profit from the techno push the PC plaform gives to hardware)
It could end up in a faster evolving hardware platform, where software (think linux) and hardware (like Prep) evolve at the same speed (think Edsgar Dijkstra)
I, however, would not hold my breath.
its about bad business practices, where companies make deals with Hardware vendors about USING technology in such a way that competition gets stifled, and they ARE getting away with it...
/Dread
Rescue CD's without partition options are just that, and they suck. There outta be a LAW against them!
And Im saying this as a professional multi OS licenced system engineer, NOT as a home linux zealot (which I am too, but there the solution is easy)
peace,
Tech guy 1: Lets implement Linux instead of this crappy Open Server/UnixWare. Mind you, our database vendor, prefers Linux. /Dread
Tech guy 2: Lets not. Its dangerous. We rely on trust from our customers.
Tech guy 1: Lets provide our customers with trust, lets get support from IBM. Let us make money from trust.
Boss: IBM is doing Linux? Our Database vendor wont support SCO in time? Lets switch NOW.
we do...
/Dread
in fact, the only reason we never switched to another was there was basically no need, and it was on noones eyeball.
Thanks to Darl's claims, now it is.
Thank you Darl!
The interviewer did this for the papperazi in the USA? Wow. Im seriously impressed. Some quality newspaper will snap this undoublty young person up soon. Why?
/Dread
- He got to ask unpopular, smart questions to BillG, a feat I havent yet seen dony by Slashdot f.e.
- He persists, even if Bill gives him a run around.
- He holds his style (Nobody used OS/2, will linux run MS)
Bill G is right when he sais:
"And yeah, we, on educational bids, we will meet competition. That's considered healthy pro-competitive behavior."
That means Bill gives software away for free BECAUSE OF COMPETITION!
That probably means they get their revenue on that from SUPPORT! (Or they are undercutting potential competition, which is abuse of monopoly, and they are cleary not doing that anymore he sais)
Did Bill sniff some clue glue?
(And apparently Linux isnt competition in the business market, so one has to ponder what the hell these business managers are thinking, if the education market prooves it can be done, isnt the business paying too much?)
TO all who recently bought ATI onm behalf of there being linux support (I did, a 9700 cuz there was a link to a driver ON THE ATI PAGES!):
/Dread
Send a polite email ASKING for 'commitment' regarding the linux platform in respect of your newly purchased ATI product. Point to them you bought it, because they had 'links to supported drivers before, but now you cannot find them anymore (on their site)'
Tell them you will otherwise be forced to not buy anymore wonderfull ATI products, and also unfortunaly have to send your recently purchased product back (only if you are willing to do just that)
Obviously your local LUG will have to be advised to 'not use ATI' anymore too.
Also, with only two players in the market, and them being evil, and more evil, dont expect that your buying boycott will actually bother them.
Thanks for your insightfull comment. Ill update my humour.
Reading this first as "SCO Powered Hell Plan Destroyed in Test Fight"?
mm must be me..
Which is why you feel the need to join no? /Dread
Well SCO did not make any friends in France...
/Dread
peace
SCO
/Dread
I work for a SCO shop. (Well we run SCO and sell stuff running on it)
Suddenly our OpenServer =>> UnixWare update project is being re-evaluated in favour of...
linux
I love it, make more noise for Linux SCO, it a few moths key people (in a must-be-rocksteady server market) will think Linux is ok, because IBM says so.
peace
IANTP (I Am No Thermal Physicist) but why would that hold me back?
Sure it works. Just create a small Steam Propelled electro motor, which outputs 12volts.. lets start with those case fans eh?
Gr Dread
Suppose SCO wants to loose?
/Dread
- SCO's sys V contract mumbles something about "derivitave works", suppose the court nullifies license inheretance? They loose.
Does this leave GPL code to be picked up by anyone smart enought to grasp "embrace and extend"? Like SCO?
I suppose if Europe complains about the all-decaf beans, resulting from cross-pollination, the Americans will point out that the thirld world is now a happy coffee consumer, so we should shut up?
Gr Dread
At risk of being modded a troll.. but how much support does Red-hat generally give on "Non-US"?
/Dread
Hey!? If US and EU patent law will be sufficiently different, would that validate a "Non-EU" catagory in debian?
Ok.. ok im being silly..
Gr
"Try saying that to France whos Iraq business deals were under threat. They opposed the war, but I dont believe for one minute it was for moral reasons. "
/Dread
As opposed to the white hat knight in shiny armour, Bush?
"But hey, you've got "free" health care. And like most of life, you get quality commensurate with what you paid."
/Dread
Yeah, and we pay LOTS (in taxes) so that EVERYONE gets at least basic healthcare...
Not like some modern so-called democracies who leave their homeless and poor dying w/o heathcare.
Peace!
Bummer for the flamebait.
/Dread
Weird thou, a lot of EU citizins feel this way, but for an American its "flamebait"
I think you step on two thoughts here: one, building a PVR is something a USER can do. (True, but not for the cost of a TIVO, unless one is a hacker of sorts, which defeats the purpose of a simple appliance)
/Dread
Two, It aint economical because of the power req. But this one holds only true to businesses IMHO. For some reason, I cannot imagine a 16 y/o hacker to be worried about wattage.
The problem could be solved by a OS business selling TIVO services... Thats what I ment really.
gr