NetBSD, FreeBSD, and now OpenBSD have all had major revs in the last six months - its great to see hardware support, platform support (all BSDs are multiplatform, contrary to linux.com's assessment), and performance enhancement across the line. I fully expect these OSs to flourish intensely as support for free software increases over the next few years.
I knew most of DEC hardware was being scuttled the day they were bought.
Not really shocking - the Alpha never really has made much money for anyone.
The fastest chip does not win. This should be obvious to anyone who follows the industry for any period of time. Cheap and cheerful - this is what people want in chips. Being x86 compatible doesn't hurt either (FX32 doesn't count).
I won't even entertain the topic of Lucas as a sellout - he finances his own movies - who is he selling out to?
What I want to say is that Katz's continuous, insufferable whining is an really becoming quite grating. Jon - don't you have anything positive to say? I'm really starting to wonder about your psychological profile.
If the rest of you want to trash Star Wars as the worst film series in history, go ahead. I'm going to go to the theater and have some fun on Thursday.
Until there is some bid verification, I see online auctions as useless.
Most sites don't try to authenticate bids, so you may be getting outbid by someone who has no intention of buying the product, and in most cases doesn't even have the vash to back up the bid.
Yes, I realize most sites allow the seller to contact other bidders if the top bidder fails, but this seems to kluge up the whole process. I'm not interested in bidding against people who are goofing off. For all I know I'm bidding against a script that is programmed to match and beat my bid...which serves simply to run up the price.
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But don't you know that the whole linux world is driven by neurotic users who treat obsessive updates as "systems adminstration"?
Most linux users probably spend more time adminstering (i.e., upgrading) their software than using it - which for most of them is just the way they like it. What else would they do with their time?
There is no comparison to perl. You can download the full source to the original implementation (not a "clean room" copy) and modify it according to a very open license.
Kaffe, classpath, MS Java etc. are exactly the problem. Soon one will diverge. Then there will be "Kaffe-Java" and "Microsoft Java" and all sorts of flavors of Java. ISO standardization prevents this.
As for perl dovergence, so far it has not happened, but if it did, I would rally for standardization.
I could also chant "cross-platform" until I'm blue in the face
Except that you would make an ass of yourself. Even Sun has toned down the cross-platform rhetoric now that they realize it cannot be made a reality.
perl is far more portable than java. Python too.
All of this talk isn't just hot air- look at the mess VB has become under MS's closed control. Java will certainly go the same way as Sun morphs it into something more useful with Jini or whatever their latest plan is.
Closed languages should be avoided. If anything in the history of programming languages is obvious, this is it. There is a great deal of anecodotal evidence to support this, but the best is that open languages survive, and closed ones die. Its fairly simple.
Gosling has admitted that important things (genericity, design by contract) were knowingly left out
Then Java should not be an open standard, and should also be fully ignored by developers until Gosling can find the time in his schedule to complete the language. No developer in his right mind wants to code in any closed language that may change drastically in the forseeable future.
The notion that the open source "bazaar" can exist without the "cathedral" of ISO is ridiculous.
Even in the bazaar, vendors have rules for displaying their wares, and rules telling them not to steal lie and cheat.
This is what ISO does. They give you rules for opening compeition.
Certainly the standards process has more legitimacy than open-source development at this point. You wouldn't have HTTP, HTML, ASCII, or TCP/IP if it wasn't for some sort of standardization process. Open standards have served us well for 30 years. Only a moron would throw away that process.
I could care less about whether Slolaris is open source. I'm not a GPL groupie either, but any language you choose to adopt in the long haul had bette be open.
This is a practical consideration. Look at the history of programming and see what closed languages have stood the test of time.
If you're a developer, these things should matter to you.
It doesn't sound like you are, so continue your worship of McNealy and co.
Firstly, adoption of CSS by websites is nil and will stay nil.
No website that wants repeat visitors is going to adopt a new technology that isn't supported on at least 90% of the browsers visitors are using.
As an amendment to my earlier mail I'll offer that both CSS and XSL are dud technologies. Don't think I am saying people should give up on CSS to work on XSL. I'm simply saying that CSS support shouldn't hold back Mozilla.
You'd better get used to HTML 3.2 - its all your going to see for at least a decade.
No one should hold back the release of any browser to build in CSS support. Its a dead technology. Even the W3 people have moved on to XML/XSL development.
Sun knows Java is ready to be opened up - they simply want to keep their hands on it.
If in fact Sun does intend to make dramatic changes to the language, in which case it might be justifiable to keep tight control, then this is a warning sign to developers to keep away from Java until the dust settles. If the language is not going to change significantly, then developers should be suspicious of Sun's motivations.
In either case, developers should steer very clear of Java for the forseeable future.
Any notion I had of adopting Java for any project is hereby dropped.
Sun is demonstrating that they are the Microsoft of the Unix world - they will manipulate Java in arbitrary ways to forward their goals, regardless of whether the users see any benefit.
Beware closed languages. This lesson has been learned well by developers who have been bitten by closed 4GL languages in the past, for example (yes, I know Java is not a 4GL).
Java could have ranked up there with perl as one of the great languages of the 90's, but now, at least in my mind, it has been resigned to bit bucket with all of the other closed go-nowhere languages that clutter the development landscape.
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Computers are making it easier for people to be controlled.
Hasn't the author (or Katz) ever heard of the crypto export ban?
How about monitering of emails, credit card transactions, etc.?
...it isn't a v 1.0 product yet.
If you want it, you can always get the package and install it.
Making it the default compiler would be silly when it is still in development.
Uhggh yuck! Who wants to get their fingers on the keyboard after everyone else has used it....and then eat?
This continues to develop as a great OS.
NetBSD, FreeBSD, and now OpenBSD have all had major revs in the last six months - its great to see hardware support, platform support (all BSDs are multiplatform, contrary to linux.com's assessment), and performance enhancement across the line. I fully expect these OSs to flourish intensely as support for free software increases over the next few years.
Viva BSD!
Obviously they're expected to be true to the facts
Like where they state that *BSD is not multiplatform? This is pure FUD...actually, its just factually incorrect.
linux.com will be a new source of FUD.
I knew most of DEC hardware was being scuttled the day they were bought.
Not really shocking - the Alpha never really has made much money for anyone.
The fastest chip does not win. This should be obvious to anyone who follows the industry for any period of time. Cheap and cheerful - this is what people want in chips. Being x86 compatible doesn't hurt either (FX32 doesn't count).
3.2 rocks. Watching make-world on the console on a fairly fast system in nearly hypnotic.
I can't see using any other OS in the near future - FreeBSD rocks.
Signed, A BSD Bigot.
Honestly, does anyone really care? All parties involved are acting like children.
I won't even entertain the topic of Lucas as a sellout - he finances his own movies - who is he selling out to?
What I want to say is that Katz's continuous, insufferable whining is an really becoming quite grating. Jon - don't you have anything positive to say? I'm really starting to wonder about your psychological profile.
If the rest of you want to trash Star Wars as the worst film series in history, go ahead. I'm going to go to the theater and have some fun on Thursday.
I haven't found a book that matches Unix Power Tools for sheer breadth.
Couple this book with O'Reilly's Essential System Adminstration and you pretty much cannot go wrong.
Until there is some bid verification, I see online auctions as useless.
Most sites don't try to authenticate bids, so you may be getting outbid by someone who has no intention of buying the product, and in most cases doesn't even have the vash to back up the bid.
Yes, I realize most sites allow the seller to contact other bidders if the top bidder fails, but this seems to kluge up the whole process. I'm not interested in bidding against people who are goofing off. For all I know I'm bidding against a script that is programmed to match and beat my bid...which serves simply to run up the price.
But don't you know that the whole linux world is driven by neurotic users who treat obsessive updates as "systems adminstration"?
Most linux users probably spend more time adminstering (i.e., upgrading) their software than using it - which for most of them is just the way they like it. What else would they do with their time?
Sorry, Java is far more portable than Perl
surely you jest.
Name the other languages, then or now,
which allow you to do the same thing.
with the exception of mutlithreading, perl can certainly do this.
Closed?
Yes. Sun controls the source for Java.
There is no comparison to perl. You can download the full source to the original implementation (not a "clean room" copy) and modify it according to a very open license.
Kaffe, classpath, MS Java etc. are exactly the problem. Soon one will diverge. Then there will be "Kaffe-Java" and "Microsoft Java" and all sorts of flavors of Java. ISO standardization prevents this.
As for perl dovergence, so far it has not happened, but if it did, I would rally for standardization.
I could also chant "cross-platform" until I'm blue in the face
Except that you would make an ass of yourself. Even Sun has toned down the cross-platform rhetoric now that they realize it cannot be made a reality.
perl is far more portable than java. Python too.
All of this talk isn't just hot air- look at the mess VB has become under MS's closed control. Java will certainly go the same way as Sun morphs it into something more useful with Jini or whatever their latest plan is.
Closed languages should be avoided. If anything in the history of programming languages is obvious, this is it. There is a great deal of anecodotal evidence to support this, but the best is that open languages survive, and closed ones die. Its fairly simple.
Gosling has admitted that important things (genericity, design by contract) were knowingly
left out
Then Java should not be an open standard, and should also be fully ignored by developers until Gosling can find the time in his schedule to complete the language. No developer in his right mind wants to code in any closed language that may change drastically in the forseeable future.
The notion that the open source "bazaar" can exist without the "cathedral" of ISO is ridiculous.
Even in the bazaar, vendors have rules for displaying their wares, and rules telling them not to steal lie and cheat.
This is what ISO does. They give you rules for opening compeition.
Certainly the standards process has more legitimacy than open-source development at this point. You wouldn't have HTTP, HTML, ASCII, or TCP/IP if it wasn't for some sort of standardization process. Open standards have served us well for 30 years. Only a moron would throw away that process.
Java is still a young language
I'd give Java some time to mature
No, the part to mature is the JVM, or on-the-fly-compilation, etc. These are not parts of the language specification.
The language specfication hasn't moved far in recent memory. This says to me that it is time to open it up. Don't buy the Sun bull.
I could care less about whether Slolaris is open source. I'm not a GPL groupie either, but any language you choose to adopt in the long haul had bette be open.
This is a practical consideration. Look at the history of programming and see what closed languages have stood the test of time.
If you're a developer, these things should matter to you.
It doesn't sound like you are, so continue your worship of McNealy and co.
Firstly, adoption of CSS by websites is nil and will stay nil.
No website that wants repeat visitors is going to adopt a new technology that isn't supported on at least 90% of the browsers visitors are using.
As an amendment to my earlier mail I'll offer that both CSS and XSL are dud technologies. Don't think I am saying people should give up on CSS to work on XSL. I'm simply saying that CSS support shouldn't hold back Mozilla.
You'd better get used to HTML 3.2 - its all your going to see for at least a decade.
No one should hold back the release of any browser to build in CSS support. Its a dead technology. Even the W3 people have moved on to XML/XSL development.
The PAS rules are ridiculous.
Sun knows Java is ready to be opened up - they simply want to keep their hands on it.
If in fact Sun does intend to make dramatic changes to the language, in which case it might be justifiable to keep tight control, then this is a warning sign to developers to keep away from Java until the dust settles. If the language is not going to change significantly, then developers should be suspicious of Sun's motivations.
In either case, developers should steer very clear of Java for the forseeable future.
Any notion I had of adopting Java for any project is hereby dropped.
Sun is demonstrating that they are the Microsoft of the Unix world - they will manipulate Java in arbitrary ways to forward their goals, regardless of whether the users see any benefit.
Beware closed languages. This lesson has been learned well by developers who have been bitten by closed 4GL languages in the past, for example (yes, I know Java is not a 4GL).
Java could have ranked up there with perl as one of the great languages of the 90's, but now, at least in my mind, it has been resigned to bit bucket with all of the other closed go-nowhere languages that clutter the development landscape.
America is still far more tolerant of teen angst than any place in the world.
This is just sensationalism at this point, which appears to be Katz's specialty.