Seems the foggy historical section of my brain recalls a story ("legend") of Steve and Steve creating a machine called a "Black Box" that created the dual tones, and could circumvent long distance charges. They should hold the patent, for articulating these tone pairs...in a unique way - and that was about 30 years ago?
Seems from most of what I've read here, it's not M$'s IE vulnerability as much as the HEADLINE seems to say. The defaults are as much Apples's problem as M$'s, AFAIK.
C'mon Taco (this is deja vu!), even though the FAQ says WE check for discrepancies, don't you agree that 4 out of 5 of your stories lately have had sensationalist headlines, rather than a "Let's take a look at the potential problem" attitude? - It only takes a little reading and a clear mind to get a real-time picture of what the story is.
Maybe the EDITORS should do a little more looking before barking. (my $2 - cable is expensive)
Bottom line: Set your security to what the app allows and take your chances.
(there goes my measly Karma of 5)
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This sucks - I have no option besides Charter here in the sticks. They are cheaper, but don't promise more than about 2/3 of the bandwidth I enjoy now...
Another post in this thread correctly states that the energy is stored electrically in a capacitor, not a spring.
I had a summary of the concept all set to submit, but like an idiot I tested my url with the same browser session I was submitting with, and lost it! No time to re-type it. The links tell all.
My kid in the Navy brought a fake one home last winter, and I'm going to take it apart to see how close the knock off is to the real one:)
In case you want to try the "paper clip" antenna idea, the site (which was not/.'d just now) list affiliates in Grand Rapids (WXSP ch 18) and Traverse City (WFOX ch 33,40,45). I think a paper clip and a coathanger might be necessary for UHF, though. Most of hicks here in rural areas us throw the UHF antenna out with the TV's package...:-(
In the fall of '99 I was approached by a franchised but local "grant mill" community college to teach a course that M$ requires passing a test on for MCSE certification. "Networking Essentials, Second Edition" (sorry no URL - seems to have a broken.asp) is a self-study with CD kinda thing, but these greedy bozos decided to form a 10-week course around it.
Besides the annoyance of the meat of the course being backed by 10-year old misprinted concepts, this "college" had the audacity to put 20 students in a classroom with only 16 computers, which ran '95a (*gak*) and NetWare client32! (NetEss was based on the NT4 track)
If they had not finally installed another 8 boxen with access to the outer world, these poor saps who paid ~$900 for the course and ~$125 for the nearly worthless book/CD would not have learned half as much. Part of that was disabling the censor software on these 8 machines...which I supported wholeheartedly. Took the brightest one about 5 minutes including a reboot.
I was given a hands-off order for the NetWare servers and clients - along with the promise of replaceable HDs which never came. Needless to say the installation of NT, NICs, and TCP/IP configuration were mostly lecture based - I was able to teach cabling specs and Ethernet laws, and even managed to get a broadcast storm going;-). Homework assignments were all done on the web at the students' homes, using their own ISP gateway
In contrast, both in tuition and quality, the accelerated courses at Productivity Point where I got my certification encouraged web use. Access was fast, we brought zip drives in, and had a ball while learning the "real world". Of course, that certification cost me about $6k, but was well worth it...
In summary, even though the M$ coursework was based on retired technology, the web was the primary focus - at the students' request, and on hire I was told that the students were the "customers" - who was I to argue with letting them learn something pertinent?
I appreciate your reply. I must say, however, that I am even more confused. I agree with the aberrence of homosexuality, even having good friends and family who fall into that category. Guess I never had a reason to discuss the aberrance factor.
In a retrospective view of what the person (who flamed me for no good reason) was who started this shit was doing, you are succinct and accurate. I must agree that it was just a juvenile offhand action, which is some of what scares me, being that some armies of the world are populated by just the same age people. God Help U.S. (Also, I'm An American Agnostic! - I guess somebody help me!)(still confused - what's new?)
Gee, I hope it wasn't a hoax. It came from my first-born, in the US Navy. Maybe the Germans have negotiated a way to get back into the world.
If you'll notice, they do have coasts on the North and Baltic Seas, and even though we kicked their asses back in the 40s, U.S. are a forgiving lot. See where that got U.S.? (no matter)
Thanks, from a person who cries at dumb movies and has never been modded above 2. My greatest hope for the day has been fulfilled - that someone would actually benefit from a moving text that I posted. Credit goes to my boy Chris, on the USS DeWert - a frigate class destroyer, which I hope stays on OUR coast - he forwarded it to me.
When you consider what the USS Cole suffered at the hands of similar-thinking perps IN A F(expletive deleted)KING RUBBER BOAT!? We have treaties with Germany. We can't (or shouldn't) stand alone. Get the gist of the post - I makes me cry, dammit.
I posted this as a story, but since I never get published here, I thought it necessary to include in a recent thread that is still about "America"
As the father of a son aboard a smaller destroyer and whose enlistment buddy is aboard another larger one, I was priviledged to receive this copy of an email from an ensign aboard the USS Winston Churchill. An uplifting piece of sentiment - compared to Steven Erlanger's recent story, which you can read here
Dear Dad,
Well, we are still out at sea, with little direction as to what our next priority is. The remainder of our port visits, which were to be centered around max liberty and goodwill to the United Kingdom, have all but been cancelled. We have spent every day since the attacks going back and forth within imaginary boxes drawn in the ocean, standing high-security watches, and trying to make the best of our time. It hasn't been that fun I must confess, and to be even more honest, a lot of people are frustrated at the fact that they either can't be home, or we don't have more direction right now. We have seen the articles and the photographs, and they are sickening. Being isolated as we are, I don't think we appreciate the full scope of what is happening back home, but we are definitely feeling the effects.
About two hours ago the junior officers were called to the bridge to conduct Shiphandling drills. We were about to do a man overboard when we got a call from the LUTJENS(D185), a German warship that was moored ahead of us on the pier in Plymouth, England. While in port, the WINSTON S CHURCHILL and the LUTJENS got together for a sports day/cookout on our fantail, and we made some pretty good friends.
Now at sea they called over on bridge-to-bridge,requesting to pass us close up on our port side, to say goodbye. We prepared to render them honors on the bridgewing, and the Captain told the crew to come topside to wish them farewell. As they were making their approach, our Conning Officer announced through her binoculars that they were flying an American flag. As they came even closer, we saw that it was flying at half-mast.
The bridgewing was crowded with people as the Boatswain's Mate blew two whistles- Attention to Port- the ship came up alongside and we saw that the entire crew of the German ship were manning the rails, in their dress blues. They had made up a sign that was displayed on the side that read "We Stand By You".
Needless to say there was not a dry eye on the bridge as they stayed alongside us for a few minutes and we cut our salutes. It was probably the most powerful thing I have seen in my entire life and more than a few of us fought to retain our composure. It was a beautiful day outside today.
We are no longer at liberty to divulge over unsecure e-mail our location, but we could not have asked for a finer day at sea. The German Navy did an incredible thing for this crew, and it has truly been the highest point in the days since the attacks. It's amazing to think that only a half-century ago things were quite different,and to see the unity that is being demonstrated throughout Europe and the world makes us all feel proud to be out here doing our job.
After the ship pulled away and we prepared to begin our man overboard drills the Officer of the Deck turned to me and said "I'm staying Navy."
I'll write you when I know more about when I'll be home, but for now, this is probably the best news that I could send you. Love you guys.
That's the address in Redmond - I have been leery of the connotation for years. I have also used FrontPage 2000 on occasion for "Quick 'n Dirty" websites. Maintaining a large one with more than 10 pages is where it becomes cumbersome.
What they call WYSIWIG is not applicable - within the editor itself (very misleading) or when testing pages with Nutscrape, etc. Even when testing with IE 5.x, things do not appear as *advertised*.
However, it is a product designed for the masses, and fulfills that notion well - no FTP or knowledge of HTML necessary. My son started with FP and quickly went to hand coding HTML with the help of seeing what was generated. Never went back. Can't blame him.
Bottom line (at the risk of redundancy) (a) If you don't like the terms, don't use it (b) One Microsoft Way
I just noticed your comment. I agree, to a point. I had tried to see what the purported method that was being used, but did not spend much time on that last week. I've found more on that since, but nothing as informative as your reply. The news is just too vague, sometimes.
Even in America, we are human, and I for one have always taken the news with a shaker of salt! (which keeps me thirsty [metaphorically] for updates and corrections) These have become a "standard" in today's media. Journalistic integrity (oxymoric in certain contexts) has given way to impetuous needs for the media equivalent of/.'s "First Post!"
This applies to all forms of media - not just the web. I's gotten worse, IMHO, starting with Desert Storm and the O.J. trial - CNN, in its zeal to feed info in bulk form with the emphasis on expediance instead of accuracy, is a case in point. The world, not just U.S., has been "spoiled" by the byproducts of the Information Age. So has journalism.
In fairness, I was up way too late two nights ago, and quickly submitted a report to/. regarding "Taliban Delares Holy War on U.S." that was on CNN (TV) prominently displayed. In this case I'm glad it was rejected. Fifteen minutes later, there was a rephrased "Taliban Warns of Possible Holy War" or something to that effect. MSNBC followed suit and misreported, then "lightened up". This also occurred on the respective websites.
So, the obvious point here is that we can trust most of what we can see, hear, and (hopefully) touch. On topic, it is a concern that Yahoo's "security through obscurity" was so vulnerable. Sure wish I could read the Security Focus article - still/.'ed - but I did read a post with the text here earlier.
I think of more concern would be the vulnerabilities of news services like AP and Reuters - the compromise of them could be a propagandist's dream come true. Hey, Wow, I just thought of something! Why don't we hack into the news "services" of our enemies? We could win the whole damn thing just by convincing the radical factions that they are already with Allah, and all is well. They can just relax and go back to making hashish, and whatever...
The same thoughts I had when I heard about this BS a while ago- only better. I mean, I knew that something was wrong with the whole idea, I just could not put a finger on it.
It *is* better to put a cap on the alphanumerical combinations of characters that can precede a dotcom tld, and leave the rest to attrition. More profit for whomever - WAIT! NEWS FLASH - INTO MY EMAIL COMES:
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As a result, you can continue to submit.BIZ
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WTF????? This is SPAM!
I agree that traffic analysis would be helpful - as long as the analysts can distinguish the significance. What has evolved from the "fun faxes" of the '70s (FW:FW:FW:FW:) would show up in a log as suspicious, when it most likely would be those emails with two pages of headers, containing dozens of email addresses - people with an intent to inform family, friends, and other contacts about the "event".
My 84 yr old mother is one of those people who has to spam her family with news and pix of her Christmas cactus blooming at odd times in the summer. Should this coincide with a terrorist event, and one of the recipients is on several people's distribution lists, they would take valuable resources in the process of being ruled out.
Even more noteworthy is the necessity to analyse *after* an event. This is why it is most likely necessary to break crpto *before* an event to actually prevent it.
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I didn't say they invented it, did I? Just a memory flash, to invoke comments such as yours.
Seems the foggy historical section of my brain recalls a story ("legend") of Steve and Steve creating a machine called a "Black Box" that created the dual tones, and could circumvent long distance charges. They should hold the patent, for articulating these tone pairs...in a unique way - and that was about 30 years ago?
C'mon Taco (this is deja vu!), even though the FAQ says WE check for discrepancies, don't you agree that 4 out of 5 of your stories lately have had sensationalist headlines, rather than a "Let's take a look at the potential problem" attitude? - It only takes a little reading and a clear mind to get a real-time picture of what the story is.
Maybe the EDITORS should do a little more looking before barking. (my $2 - cable is expensive)
Bottom line: Set your security to what the app allows and take your chances. (there goes my measly Karma of 5)
AT&T remains committed to working with Excite@Home's management and the bankruptcy court to provide uninterrupted high-speed cable Internet service to our customers, as well as continuing relationships with other cable companies to ensure seamless service to their customers on the @Home network.
If the asset sale is approved, AT&T also plans to build on the assets it acquires to develop a more robust network while improving and growing our broadband high-speed Internet access business for all cable company subscribers.
Sincerely, AT&T Broadband This sucks - I have no option besides Charter here in the sticks. They are cheaper, but don't promise more than about 2/3 of the bandwidth I enjoy now...
Shockwave Version here, and Non-Shockwave version here.
Another post in this thread correctly states that the energy is stored electrically in a capacitor, not a spring.
I had a summary of the concept all set to submit, but like an idiot I tested my url with the same browser session I was submitting with, and lost it! No time to re-type it. The links tell all.
My kid in the Navy brought a fake one home last winter, and I'm going to take it apart to see how close the knock off is to the real one :)
In case you want to try the "paper clip" antenna idea, the site (which was not /.'d just now) list affiliates in Grand Rapids (WXSP ch 18) and Traverse City (WFOX ch 33,40,45). I think a paper clip and a coathanger might be necessary for UHF, though. Most of hicks here in rural areas us throw the UHF antenna out with the TV's package...:-(
Besides the annoyance of the meat of the course being backed by 10-year old misprinted concepts, this "college" had the audacity to put 20 students in a classroom with only 16 computers, which ran '95a (*gak*) and NetWare client32! (NetEss was based on the NT4 track)
If they had not finally installed another 8 boxen with access to the outer world, these poor saps who paid ~$900 for the course and ~$125 for the nearly worthless book/CD would not have learned half as much. Part of that was disabling the censor software on these 8 machines...which I supported wholeheartedly. Took the brightest one about 5 minutes including a reboot.
I was given a hands-off order for the NetWare servers and clients - along with the promise of replaceable HDs which never came. Needless to say the installation of NT, NICs, and TCP/IP configuration were mostly lecture based - I was able to teach cabling specs and Ethernet laws, and even managed to get a broadcast storm going ;-). Homework assignments were all done on the web at the students' homes, using their own ISP gateway
In contrast, both in tuition and quality, the accelerated courses at Productivity Point where I got my certification encouraged web use. Access was fast, we brought zip drives in, and had a ball while learning the "real world". Of course, that certification cost me about $6k, but was well worth it...
In summary, even though the M$ coursework was based on retired technology, the web was the primary focus - at the students' request, and on hire I was told that the students were the "customers" - who was I to argue with letting them learn something pertinent?
On a different topic, God Help U.S.
And I appreciate your musical sig - if only it were on a staff so real musicians could "dig" it. Gershwin did rock, kinda.
Bullshit. Period. No Such Thing - Try Smoke and Mirrors, maybe. Sorry, had to say that.
In a retrospective view of what the person (who flamed me for no good reason) was who started this shit was doing, you are succinct and accurate. I must agree that it was just a juvenile offhand action, which is some of what scares me, being that some armies of the world are populated by just the same age people. God Help U.S. (Also, I'm An American Agnostic! - I guess somebody help me!)(still confused - what's new?)
Gee, I hope it wasn't a hoax. It came from my first-born, in the US Navy. Maybe the Germans have negotiated a way to get back into the world. If you'll notice, they do have coasts on the North and Baltic Seas, and even though we kicked their asses back in the 40s, U.S. are a forgiving lot. See where that got U.S.? (no matter)
Thanks, from a person who cries at dumb movies and has never been modded above 2. My greatest hope for the day has been fulfilled - that someone would actually benefit from a moving text that I posted. Credit goes to my boy Chris, on the USS DeWert - a frigate class destroyer, which I hope stays on OUR coast - he forwarded it to me.
When you consider what the USS Cole suffered at the hands of similar-thinking perps IN A F(expletive deleted)KING RUBBER BOAT!? We have treaties with Germany. We can't (or shouldn't) stand alone. Get the gist of the post - I makes me cry, dammit.
Not trouble - you are most welcome. Wish it were on the national news. Maybe...I should try...
I appreciate your post; "misanthropic deviancy" is an interesting phrase. Can you expound on it?
Fuck you, Troll. Your sister (expletive deleted) and mother (expletive deleted).
As the father of a son aboard a smaller destroyer and whose enlistment buddy is aboard another larger one, I was priviledged to receive this copy of an email from an ensign aboard the USS Winston Churchill. An uplifting piece of sentiment - compared to Steven Erlanger's recent story, which you can read here
Dear Dad,
Well, we are still out at sea, with little direction as to what our next priority is. The remainder of our port visits, which were to be centered around max liberty and goodwill to the United Kingdom, have all but been cancelled. We have spent every day since the attacks going back and forth within imaginary boxes drawn in the ocean, standing high-security watches, and trying to make the best of our time. It hasn't been that fun I must confess, and to be even more honest, a lot of people are frustrated at the fact that they either can't be home, or we don't have more direction right now. We have seen the articles and the photographs, and they are sickening. Being isolated as we are, I don't think we appreciate the full scope of what is happening back home, but we are definitely feeling the effects.
About two hours ago the junior officers were called to the bridge to conduct Shiphandling drills. We were about to do a man overboard when we got a call from the LUTJENS(D185), a German warship that was moored ahead of us on the pier in Plymouth, England. While in port, the WINSTON S CHURCHILL and the LUTJENS got together for a sports day/cookout on our fantail, and we made some pretty good friends.
Now at sea they called over on bridge-to-bridge,requesting to pass us close up on our port side, to say goodbye. We prepared to render them honors on the bridgewing, and the Captain told the crew to come topside to wish them farewell. As they were making their approach, our Conning Officer announced through her binoculars that they were flying an American flag. As they came even closer, we saw that it was flying at half-mast.
The bridgewing was crowded with people as the Boatswain's Mate blew two whistles- Attention to Port- the ship came up alongside and we saw that the entire crew of the German ship were manning the rails, in their dress blues. They had made up a sign that was displayed on the side that read "We Stand By You".
Needless to say there was not a dry eye on the bridge as they stayed alongside us for a few minutes and we cut our salutes. It was probably the most powerful thing I have seen in my entire life and more than a few of us fought to retain our composure. It was a beautiful day outside today.
We are no longer at liberty to divulge over unsecure e-mail our location, but we could not have asked for a finer day at sea. The German Navy did an incredible thing for this crew, and it has truly been the highest point in the days since the attacks. It's amazing to think that only a half-century ago things were quite different,and to see the unity that is being demonstrated throughout Europe and the world makes us all feel proud to be out here doing our job.
After the ship pulled away and we prepared to begin our man overboard drills the Officer of the Deck turned to me and said "I'm staying Navy."
I'll write you when I know more about when I'll be home, but for now, this is probably the best news that I could send you. Love you guys.
What they call WYSIWIG is not applicable - within the editor itself (very misleading) or when testing pages with Nutscrape, etc. Even when testing with IE 5.x, things do not appear as *advertised*.
However, it is a product designed for the masses, and fulfills that notion well - no FTP or knowledge of HTML necessary. My son started with FP and quickly went to hand coding HTML with the help of seeing what was generated. Never went back. Can't blame him.
Bottom line (at the risk of redundancy) (a) If you don't like the terms, don't use it (b) One Microsoft Way
I just noticed your comment. I agree, to a point. I had tried to see what the purported method that was being used, but did not spend much time on that last week. I've found more on that since, but nothing as informative as your reply. The news is just too vague, sometimes.
Thanks for that. Wouldn't you know that as we speak I'm listening to a live stream on NPR.
Guess I'll go rent a movie...
This applies to all forms of media - not just the web. I's gotten worse, IMHO, starting with Desert Storm and the O.J. trial - CNN, in its zeal to feed info in bulk form with the emphasis on expediance instead of accuracy, is a case in point. The world, not just U.S., has been "spoiled" by the byproducts of the Information Age. So has journalism.
In fairness, I was up way too late two nights ago, and quickly submitted a report to /. regarding "Taliban Delares Holy War on U.S." that was on CNN (TV) prominently displayed. In this case I'm glad it was rejected. Fifteen minutes later, there was a rephrased "Taliban Warns of Possible Holy War" or something to that effect. MSNBC followed suit and misreported, then "lightened up". This also occurred on the respective websites.
So, the obvious point here is that we can trust most of what we can see, hear, and (hopefully) touch. On topic, it is a concern that Yahoo's "security through obscurity" was so vulnerable. Sure wish I could read the Security Focus article - still /.'ed - but I did read a post with the text here earlier.
I think of more concern would be the vulnerabilities of news services like AP and Reuters - the compromise of them could be a propagandist's dream come true. Hey, Wow, I just thought of something! Why don't we hack into the news "services" of our enemies? We could win the whole damn thing just by convincing the radical factions that they are already with Allah, and all is well. They can just relax and go back to making hashish, and whatever...
There was a interesting discussion of this on NPR's "Talk of the Nation" program a while back, but I can't seem to find it.
whoops - forgot the italics where appropriate - sorry....
The same thoughts I had when I heard about this BS a while ago- only better. I mean, I knew that something was wrong with the whole idea, I just could not put a finger on it.
It *is* better to put a cap on the alphanumerical combinations of characters that can precede a dotcom tld, and leave the rest to attrition. More profit for whomever - WAIT! NEWS FLASH - INTO MY EMAIL COMES:
Dear Valued Dotster Customer, We have some good news regarding applications for .BIZ domain names!
NeuLevel, the official registrar for .BIZ
domain names, has decided to extend its deadline
for registrars to submit applications for
processing and registration. NeuLevel made this
decision in response to requests from registrars
and in light of the tragic events that took place
last week.
As a result, you can continue to submit .BIZ
applications at Dotster until midnight EST on
September 21, 2001. .BIZ applications are just $5 for 1-10 applications;
$4.50 for 11-50 applications; $4 for 51-100
applications; and $3.50 for 100 or more applications.
If we successfully register the domain you apply for,
you'll automatically be charged $30 for a two-year
registration.
The business value of .BIZ is clear: it's the only
global domain designed to help you establish, enhance
and extend your Web presence. In short, .BIZ means
business!
Don't be left behind -- this deadline won't be
extended again. To submit .BIZ applications please
click here:
WTF????? This is SPAM!
Isn't there a law?????
I agree that traffic analysis would be helpful - as long as the analysts can distinguish the significance. What has evolved from the "fun faxes" of the '70s (FW:FW:FW:FW:) would show up in a log as suspicious, when it most likely would be those emails with two pages of headers, containing dozens of email addresses - people with an intent to inform family, friends, and other contacts about the "event".
My 84 yr old mother is one of those people who has to spam her family with news and pix of her Christmas cactus blooming at odd times in the summer. Should this coincide with a terrorist event, and one of the recipients is on several people's distribution lists, they would take valuable resources in the process of being ruled out.
Even more noteworthy is the necessity to analyse *after* an event. This is why it is most likely necessary to break crpto *before* an event to actually prevent it.