Hey now, the people have a right to know (tm) and the NYT is just selling ad space^H*16 doing it's part to keep us all informed. Why just a while back, they exposed another sinister terrorist plot to overthrow the legitimate government.
Because there are cultural differences between races of people. Instead of taking a Pollyanna view that we're all the same, understand that a person's race does affect how they see the world and their place in it
.
Why are you ignoring the infinitly greater cultural differences WITHIN races of people, thus suggesting that people within a race are all the same?
The color of a persons skin means NOTHING. What matters is what is in their head: attitudes and behaviours. A dark skinned drill rig worker from Zaire and a dark skinned "activist" from NY have NOTHING in common. The attitude and behaviour of the drill rig worker is identical or better (usually more formal manners, and multilingual) than that of their pink skinned counterparts from the US.
The NY "activist"
thinks he is being oppressed by "whitey", and radiates a hatred that can be picked up without instruments at a range of 18 feet. This obvious, vibrating hostility makes all the targets (whitey) avoid the "activist", but it is not due to the color of the "activists" skin, it is due to the obvious hatered they project.
If you want to see real racism, you need look no further than what happens to dark-skinned american people who dare to espose "conservative" views:
They are called "Uncle Toms", "traitors to their race", photoshopped to look like they are wearing blackface.
You really need to travel the world more, and see that people are people, and they do not fit into your "race" boxes. Nigerians are not the same as Angolans or people from Zaire.
On 6 September 1995, Dudley George, aged 38, was killed by a police sniper during a Native land protest at Ipperwash Provincial Park. The officer who fired the fatal shot was subsequently convicted of knowingly shooting an unarmed man. Amnesty International and numerous other bodies have raised serious questions about the circumstances of the shooting, including the role played by public officials in the police decision to use a high level of force against a relatively peaceful and not clearly illegal protest.
Hey pal, It's a long road from "killing" people with secondhand smoke to creating yet another law to restrict the behavior of citizens.
And for the record, I not only don't smoke, I avoid businesses where smoking is prevalent (I hate the smell). A business has the right to allow or prohibit smoking. I have the right to go somewhere else.
People have the right to decide to kill themselves with smokes, booze, or McDonalds. If I had my way, they could kill themselves cheaply and legally with hard drugs too, and I'd paste a "Darwin Award" sticker on their tombstones.
I do NOT want to impose MY preferences on everyone ELSE by force of LAW. We have waay too much of that going around already, and sooner or later some busybody is going to pass a law banning something YOU like. fois gras, anyone?
re your question of rivet materials for aluminium: in the previous, now closed thread: If you use rivet materials other than the parent material you risk galvanic corrosion. For the combination of steel (rivet) and aluminum (panel), it can be severe, particularly in moist salt environments (like cars in the snowy states). The aluminium and steel will both rot and crumble away with corrosion. You can see an example of this in an older car that has a aluminium air conditionig condenser (the thing that looks like a radiator in front of the real radiator) which has steel side supports.. you may see signs of corrosion (white powder) where the two touch. You can look up a listing of galvanic compatibility of metals online. Metals far apart on the list tend to attack each other badly. Here is a list:
The American Civil Liberties Union is weighing new standards that would discourage its board members from publicly criticizing the organization's policies and internal administration.
"Where an individual director disagrees with a board position on matters of civil liberties policy, the director should refrain from publicly highlighting the fact of such disagreement," the committee that compiled the standards wrote in its proposals.
"Directors should remember that there is always a material prospect that public airing of the disagreement will affect the A.C.L.U. adversely in terms of public support and fund-raising," the proposals state.... The dissent of the people being repressed. At the ACLU. Oh, the irony.
Your lower water flow in each cold-plate due to splitting the flow with a Y lowers the velocity thru each cold-plate and thus lowers the heat transfer between the water and the cold-plate.
Reason 2:
You do not have the equipment needed to measure the flow thru the 2 branches of the Y so you risk having 1 component be hotter than needed and not know it. Some will suggest using valves to choke flow to the higher-flowing cold-plate, but this way you are wasting pump head.
Sadly, water cooling has come from being done right (like by IBM and the water cooled version of the VAX 9000, which was changed to air cooling before being shipped) to the use of feeble pumps and undersized radiators. In many cases, water cooling in PCs has become the equivalent of a "Type R" sticker on a Honda sedan.
There is nothing magical about water cooling. An air cooled setup can have the same performance, given good heat sink surface area, good fin efficiency of the heatsink, and 600 feet/minute airflow. A water cooling setup CAN let you to increase the effective heatsink area for ejecting heat into the room air without a fin efficiency penalty. But to do this you need enough flow and enough radiator area, and to keep costs down most kits are marginal on both.
A: Yes. Apple has an official battery replacement program for $59. The program requires that you send in your iPod (any model), and Apple will replace the battery and return it to you for $59 plus shipping and handling (technically, Apple actually replaces your whole iPod with an equivalent new model or factory-refurbished model in a new enclosure, with its own service warranty; if the iPod was previously engraved by Apple, it will be engraved again). AppleCare programs for iPod are also available in some markets outside the US, and are expected soon in other markets.
What a hassle. So my never-dropped iPod is going to be replaced with "refurbished" guts with who knows what history. Then I pay for shipping and handling. Then I have to be able to back up my music before my iPod dies so I can reload it again (assuming I CAN reload my music on the "refurbished" guts I get back). And, this program used to cost $99 for the battery, it has been reduced to "only" $59.
By comparison, I can pick up a name brand or generic battery for my cell phone anywhere I want to, and just snap it in.
You obviously don't have one of these, I do. Please educate yourself on how the unit works and what the buttons do before you spout off that it is "bad". Your entire post is a mass of inaccuracies and misconceptons on what the device is capable of.
Just as one example, there is more to a caller then "good number" or "bad number". There are actually 3 choices on the machine: 1= do not send to answering machine and do not ring the phone. This would be the ex-wife option. 2= send to answering machine but do not ring the phone. This is the current wife option.
3= ring the phone first and if no answer then let them leave a message. This is the current girlfriend option.
Second, TIME and DATE are sent by caller ID, you don't set them in the machine! Arrgh!. I don't have the time or patience to retype the whole (badly written) user manual here, but after having this device for 8 months I bought a second one just to keep in stock in case the first one needed service I would have a spare. Having this box to keep dimwits from ringing the phone is almost as good as Sex. Now, when the phone rings, it is guaranteed that the caller is someone I want to talk to. That's as good as getting only love letters in the mail, no bills or tax forms or junkmail.
Cheap. Easy. Quiet.
If everyone did this there would not be a toad left. If the govt. put a $0.25 bounty a toad, the toads would be on the endangered species list in a month.
Never heard of a stiffness change (youngs modulus). However, it takes a lot of cleaning and prep to make a good
Al weld, and you have to do heat treat all over again on the welded parts if you expect the strength of the parent material, so I expect that bonding and riveting are used because it is less expensive and more tolerant (especially the rivets) to assembly line screwups and plane lazyness. Another issue in cars might be that marginal (due to poor prep) spot welds
combined with all the vibration a car body experiences (due to engine vibration, etc) fatigue and separate.
On the other hand, Some Al rivets have to be kept in a freezer from the time they are made till they are used, as otherwise they will age harden, so that's another possible source of trouble there.
They did guns a while back, and I hear burning books is scheduled for next month. Sales of sporks are OK as long as they have tines less than 1/4 inch long.
Well sure, but won't someone please, please think of the union employees who might be displaced?
The people who enforce vice laws and their support staff probably don't have any skills
that can be transfered to other jobs. They are unlikely to find other jobs where they can lord it over the rest of us. And that's the bottom line to the people who thrive on working in government, to keep their cushy jobs, and find a way to employ their friends as well. The question of if these jobs are "useful" or "relevant" does not arise.
Notice that whenever taxes are raised, it is supposedly for "firemen" or "police". But you never see anyone admit to all the deadwood slurping up tax dollars, and you never hear that we need to raise taxes lest we don't have staff we need for the
Officious BusyBody section in the Department of Irrelevant Affairs.
Well if you say so that settles it. Obviously if "other" companies do something "bad", or if the world is not filled with sunshine and ponys, that means we must not point out anything [REDACTED] that Apple might do.
From the iDave web page:
I work in the University's Division of Information Technology (DoIT) since 1995 in the Systems Engineering group as the senior Apple systems engineer, supporting Apple products in primarily research and enterprise environments at the University. In 2001, I was honored to be selected as an Apple Distinguished Educator.
I think we can all agree that iDave has complete, impartial disinterest in either side of this debate. I, for one, would be shocked, shocked I say, if anyone would suggest that iDave would seek to diminish any alledged [REDACTED] by Apple, the shrine of the one true iGod.
Thanks you.
Please pass the iGoggles, iEarplugs and the iCork.
This is timely, since I was discussing on another board the videos that google will promptly
delete because they threaten the google mindset. One good example is from the TV Series: "Penn & Teller: Bullshit!" (Season 3, Episode 9) Gun Control.
Put this video up, and watch it be pulled down for "violence" or "copyright infringement", never mind that the show is not about violence, but about your rights under the Second Amendment, and never mind that Google is full of videos which are "copyright infringing".
Googles capitulation in China, and their increasing "BIG Brotherness" (but it's all for your conveniance) is sad to see. It reveals a mindset which harvests your info for marketing and "social" purposes, and also decides what you are going to be able to search for or
see in an attempt to do social engineering (The google "news" discrimination for example). Winston Smith would recognize google in a dark alley.
"Poorly chosen" would be an understatement. Is Barlow trying to say that piracy is as bad as wanting to kill all the Jews, or is he saying that piracy and Hezbolla are both driven by idealism: one want free movies, and the other wants to kill all the Jews, and neither is that bad?
I am going to guess choice two, assuming the man has any working synapes left.
Indeed. But culture in general is going the other way, unfortunately. As C. S. Lewis said:
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
Now that the "War on Smoking" (I never have, btw) is in it's final stages, and the "War on videogames" is well underway, we are starting the "War on Food".
First, they came for the smokers, but I did not speak out because I was not a smoker.
Then they came for the foi gras eaters, the people who use "unhealthy" frying oil, drinkers of Mountain Dew, eaters of Doritos.
Most of this is already happening/happened in Chicago. The logical limit of this slippery slope is that foods deemed "unhealthy" are going to be prohibited by law. The argument will be made in two parts. First, that people who "selfishly" consume these foods are burdening the rest of society. Further, it will be claimed that the price of bacon does not reflect its true cost, since bacon consumers use more public services due to poorer health. The second part of the attack will be to claim that bacon is "addictive", and that since people are powerless to avoid eating it, it must be banned. When bacon is outlawed, only outlaws will have bacon.
Steel (iron as you say) does not have an "infinite fatigue life". If the cyclic stress in the steel is more than half the yield strength, there is a finite number of cycles. If the cyclic stress is less than half the yield strength, then under THAT condition, the number of stress cycles is considered to be infinite.
You can make a perfectly good spring from aluminium if you design the spring so that the stress in the material is low enough so your product is no longer in use before the number of stress cycles makes the material crack. Aluminium bicycle frames obviously flex during use, and each flex counts as a fatigue cycle. As long as the max cyclic stress is low enough and the number of cycles is low enough, there is no problem.
But business is business. Google doesn't make money from fostering democracy in foreign lands. They make money from selling ads.
It is every moral persons duty to try to help the non-free. That includes not aiding the regimes that repress their people.
And before this discussion degenerates into WWII analogies, remember that Google is just a damn search engine and what's being repressed are just frigging web pages. No human is being abused or tortured by Google's actions.
An analogy to the cooperation of IBM and the National Socialist party is quite apt.
IBM was certainly not doing any abuse or torturing themselves. They were "simply" providing services to a repressive regime. And just so we don't lose track of what China is doing, check these links:
Vote Hillary. Confiscate All the guns. Clear the suburbs and force all people to live in cities with two families in every apartment. Bicicles for everyone. No meat.
We did not have a "chance to turn it off" because we did not know they were going to show it.
The news back then was full every night of dead bodies slithering down into trenches or falling like potato sacks out of treetops. Helicopters gyrating wildly in the air before they hit the ground and spilt out all the occupants. All this during the dinner hour. Walter Cronkite would come on and pontificate how the he did not support the war, and how we were sure to lose. "Thats the way it is" he would bray.
Perhaps. Mabe it's just another harmless indoctrination on school time, at the expense of less critical lessons, like math and spelling.
On the other hand, it seems to fit the model of "Youth" organizations of the 1930s where the children ended up spying on and reporting "others" who did not conform to the Party^H^H^H^H^H MPAA ideal.
Those oranizations actually worked quite well. Children see everything, and can be induced to report it in exchange for shiny rewards, such as the examples below:
bugfree software can exists but the software engineers(not programmers) who design such customized products charge twice as much for their labor. No one wants to pay $700 for an OS. Thats how much it would cost if you double the price of WindowsXP
From MS web site:
Microsoft Reports Strong Revenue Growth
Healthy, Broad-based Demand Drives 9% Revenue Growth for the June Quarter
Revenue Growth Nearly $3 Billion in Fiscal 2005;
Company Returns Record $44 Billion to Shareholders in Fiscal 2005
Billions and Billions in profit. Hmmm.. Maybe they will have to settle for less profit. By, you know, making a better product and having to compete against free software in the marketplace. The heart bleeds.
Slashdot Mirror
See also, inanimate objects, and hoplophobia.
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http://powerlineblog.com/archives/NYTSecretsS.jpg
I for one feel safer with the NYT exposing all this skullduggery.
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Why are you ignoring the infinitly greater cultural differences WITHIN races of people, thus suggesting that people within a race are all the same?
The color of a persons skin means NOTHING. What matters is what is in their head: attitudes and behaviours. A dark skinned drill rig worker from Zaire and a dark skinned "activist" from NY have NOTHING in common. The attitude and behaviour of the drill rig worker is identical or better (usually more formal manners, and multilingual) than that of their pink skinned counterparts from the US.
The NY "activist" thinks he is being oppressed by "whitey", and radiates a hatred that can be picked up without instruments at a range of 18 feet. This obvious, vibrating hostility makes all the targets (whitey) avoid the "activist", but it is not due to the color of the "activists" skin, it is due to the obvious hatered they project.
If you want to see real racism, you need look no further than what happens to dark-skinned american people who dare to espose "conservative" views:
They are called "Uncle Toms", "traitors to their race", photoshopped to look like they are wearing blackface.
You really need to travel the world more, and see that people are people, and they do not fit into your "race" boxes. Nigerians are not the same as Angolans or people from Zaire.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR2000220 03
On 6 September 1995, Dudley George, aged 38, was killed by a police sniper during a Native land protest at Ipperwash Provincial Park. The officer who fired the fatal shot was subsequently convicted of knowingly shooting an unarmed man. Amnesty International and numerous other bodies have raised serious questions about the circumstances of the shooting, including the role played by public officials in the police decision to use a high level of force against a relatively peaceful and not clearly illegal protest.
Hey pal, It's a long road from "killing" people with secondhand smoke to creating yet another law to restrict the behavior of citizens.
And for the record, I not only don't smoke, I avoid businesses where smoking is prevalent (I hate the smell). A business has the right to allow or prohibit smoking. I have the right to go somewhere else.
People have the right to decide to kill themselves with smokes, booze, or McDonalds. If I had my way, they could kill themselves cheaply and legally with hard drugs too, and I'd paste a "Darwin Award" sticker on their tombstones.
I do NOT want to impose MY preferences on everyone ELSE by force of LAW. We have waay too much of that going around already, and sooner or later some busybody is going to pass a law banning something YOU like. fois gras, anyone?
re your question of rivet materials for aluminium:
p df
in the previous, now closed thread:
If you use rivet materials other than the parent material you risk galvanic corrosion. For the combination of steel (rivet) and aluminum (panel), it can be severe,
particularly in moist salt environments (like cars in the snowy states). The aluminium and steel will both rot and crumble away with corrosion. You can see an example of this in an older car that has a aluminium air conditionig condenser (the thing that looks like a radiator in front of the real radiator) which has steel side supports.. you may see signs of corrosion (white powder) where the two touch. You can look up a listing of galvanic compatibility of metals online. Metals far apart on the list tend to attack each other badly. Here is a list:
http://www.ocean.udel.edu/mas/masnotes/corrosion.
They ARE being misused!
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From the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/24/us/24aclu.html?
By STEPHANIE STROM
Published: May 24, 2006
The American Civil Liberties Union is weighing new standards that would discourage its board members from publicly criticizing the organization's policies and internal administration.
"Where an individual director disagrees with a board position on matters of civil liberties policy, the director should refrain from publicly highlighting the fact of such disagreement," the committee that compiled the standards wrote in its proposals.
"Directors should remember that there is always a material prospect that public airing of the disagreement will affect the A.C.L.U. adversely in terms of public support and fund-raising," the proposals state.
The dissent of the people being repressed. At the ACLU. Oh, the irony.
Reason 1:
Your lower water flow in each cold-plate due to splitting the flow with a Y lowers the velocity thru each cold-plate and thus lowers the heat transfer between the water and the cold-plate.
Reason 2:
You do not have the equipment needed to measure the flow thru the 2 branches of the Y so you risk having 1 component be hotter than needed and not know it. Some will suggest using valves to choke flow to the higher-flowing cold-plate, but this way you are wasting pump head.
Sadly, water cooling has come from being done right (like by IBM and the water cooled version of the VAX 9000, which was changed to air cooling before being shipped) to the use of feeble pumps and undersized radiators. In many cases, water cooling in PCs has become the equivalent of a "Type R" sticker on a Honda sedan.
There is nothing magical about water cooling. An air cooled setup can have the same performance, given good heat sink surface area, good fin efficiency of the heatsink, and 600 feet/minute airflow. A water cooling setup CAN let you to increase the effective heatsink area for ejecting heat into the room air without a fin efficiency penalty. But to do this you need enough flow and enough radiator area, and to keep costs down most kits are marginal on both.
Q: Is the iPod's battery replaceable?
A: Yes. Apple has an official battery replacement program for $59. The program requires that you send in your iPod (any model), and Apple will replace the battery and return it to you for $59 plus shipping and handling (technically, Apple actually replaces your whole iPod with an equivalent new model or factory-refurbished model in a new enclosure, with its own service warranty; if the iPod was previously engraved by Apple, it will be engraved again). AppleCare programs for iPod are also available in some markets outside the US, and are expected soon in other markets.
What a hassle. So my never-dropped iPod is going to be replaced with "refurbished" guts with who knows what history. Then I pay for shipping and handling. Then I have to be able to back up my music before my iPod dies so I can reload it again (assuming I CAN reload my music on the "refurbished" guts I get back). And, this program used to cost $99 for the battery, it has been reduced to "only" $59.
By comparison, I can pick up a name brand or generic battery for my cell phone anywhere I want to, and just snap it in.
Just as one example, there is more to a caller then "good number" or "bad number". There are actually 3 choices on the machine: 1= do not send to answering machine and do not ring the phone. This would be the ex-wife option. 2= send to answering machine but do not ring the phone. This is the current wife option. 3= ring the phone first and if no answer then let them leave a message. This is the current girlfriend option.
Second, TIME and DATE are sent by caller ID, you don't set them in the machine! Arrgh!. I don't have the time or patience to retype the whole (badly written) user manual here, but after having this device for 8 months I bought a second one just to keep in stock in case the first one needed service I would have a spare. Having this box to keep dimwits from ringing the phone is almost as good as Sex. Now, when the phone rings, it is guaranteed that the caller is someone I want to talk to. That's as good as getting only love letters in the mail, no bills or tax forms or junkmail.
http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_ query=.22+long+rifle&search_constraint=0&ic=40_40& ref=+125872.125884
here are the consumables you will need:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/standard_dad.htm
Cheap. Easy. Quiet. If everyone did this there would not be a toad left. If the govt. put a $0.25 bounty a toad, the toads would be on the endangered species list in a month.
For really quiet:
http://www.gem-tech.com/twenty2.html
For really loud, with spray:
http://www.serbu.com/shorty.htm
Added benefit: Kids will stay off your damn lawn. :P
On the other hand, Some Al rivets have to be kept in a freezer from the time they are made till they are used, as otherwise they will age harden, so that's another possible source of trouble there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5086922.stm
They did guns a while back, and I hear burning books is scheduled for next month. Sales of sporks are OK as long as they have tines less than 1/4 inch long.
The people who enforce vice laws and their support staff probably don't have any skills that can be transfered to other jobs. They are unlikely to find other jobs where they can lord it over the rest of us. And that's the bottom line to the people who thrive on working in government, to keep their cushy jobs, and find a way to employ their friends as well. The question of if these jobs are "useful" or "relevant" does not arise.
Notice that whenever taxes are raised, it is supposedly for "firemen" or "police". But you never see anyone admit to all the deadwood slurping up tax dollars, and you never hear that we need to raise taxes lest we don't have staff we need for the Officious BusyBody section in the Department of Irrelevant Affairs.
From the iDave web page:
I work in the University's Division of Information Technology (DoIT) since 1995 in the Systems Engineering group as the senior Apple systems engineer, supporting Apple products in primarily research and enterprise environments at the University. In 2001, I was honored to be selected as an Apple Distinguished Educator.
I think we can all agree that iDave has complete, impartial disinterest in either side of this debate. I, for one, would be shocked, shocked I say, if anyone would suggest that iDave would seek to diminish any alledged [REDACTED] by Apple, the shrine of the one true iGod.
Thanks you.
Please pass the iGoggles, iEarplugs and the iCork.
Put this video up, and watch it be pulled down for "violence" or "copyright infringement", never mind that the show is not about violence, but about your rights under the Second Amendment, and never mind that Google is full of videos which are "copyright infringing".
Googles capitulation in China, and their increasing "BIG Brotherness" (but it's all for your conveniance) is sad to see. It reveals a mindset which harvests your info for marketing and "social" purposes, and also decides what you are going to be able to search for or see in an attempt to do social engineering (The google "news" discrimination for example). Winston Smith would recognize google in a dark alley.
I am going to guess choice two, assuming the man has any working synapes left.
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
Now that the "War on Smoking" (I never have, btw) is in it's final stages, and the "War on videogames" is well underway, we are starting the "War on Food".
First, they came for the smokers, but I did not speak out because I was not a smoker.
Then they came for the foi gras eaters, the people who use "unhealthy" frying oil, drinkers of Mountain Dew, eaters of Doritos.
Most of this is already happening/happened in Chicago. The logical limit of this slippery slope is that foods deemed "unhealthy" are going to be prohibited by law. The argument will be made in two parts. First, that people who "selfishly" consume these foods are burdening the rest of society. Further, it will be claimed that the price of bacon does not reflect its true cost, since bacon consumers use more public services due to poorer health. The second part of the attack will be to claim that bacon is "addictive", and that since people are powerless to avoid eating it, it must be banned. When bacon is outlawed, only outlaws will have bacon.
You can make a perfectly good spring from aluminium if you design the spring so that the stress in the material is low enough so your product is no longer in use before the number of stress cycles makes the material crack. Aluminium bicycle frames obviously flex during use, and each flex counts as a fatigue cycle. As long as the max cyclic stress is low enough and the number of cycles is low enough, there is no problem.
It is every moral persons duty to try to help the non-free. That includes not aiding the regimes that repress their people.
And before this discussion degenerates into WWII analogies, remember that Google is just a damn search engine and what's being repressed are just frigging web pages. No human is being abused or tortured by Google's actions.
An analogy to the cooperation of IBM and the National Socialist party is quite apt.
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
IBM was certainly not doing any abuse or torturing themselves. They were "simply" providing services to a repressive regime. And just so we don't lose track of what China is doing, check these links:
http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/search/web/falun %252Bgong%252Btorture/1/-/1/-/-/-/1//417/top/1
Good news! There is already a place that has been done. Saudi Arabia. So it should be "hate free", right?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/110/24.0. html
Now look at the results of the test:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saud i.htm
Oops. Nevermind.
Thats a start, I am sure you can think of more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen_Ngoc_Loan
I saw it on TV when I was a kid.
We did not have a "chance to turn it off" because we did not know they were going to show it.
The news back then was full every night of dead bodies slithering down into trenches or falling like potato sacks out of treetops. Helicopters gyrating wildly in the air before they hit the ground and spilt out all the occupants. All this during the dinner hour. Walter Cronkite would come on and pontificate how the he did not support the war, and how we were sure to lose. "Thats the way it is" he would bray.
Ahh, good old impartial media.
On the other hand, it seems to fit the model of "Youth" organizations of the 1930s where the children ended up spying on and reporting "others" who did not conform to the Party^H^H^H^H^H MPAA ideal.
Those oranizations actually worked quite well. Children see everything, and can be induced to report it in exchange for shiny rewards, such as the examples below:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=a ll&q=soviet+pioneers+pin&btnG=Search&sa=N&tab=wi
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr= &as_qdr=all&q=hitler+youth+pin&btnG=Search
From MS web site:
Microsoft Reports Strong Revenue Growth
Healthy, Broad-based Demand Drives 9% Revenue Growth for the June Quarter Revenue Growth Nearly $3 Billion in Fiscal 2005; Company Returns Record $44 Billion to Shareholders in Fiscal 2005
Billions and Billions in profit. Hmmm.. Maybe they will have to settle for less profit. By, you know, making a better product and having to compete against free software in the marketplace. The heart bleeds.