Hah! You know, everyone should go read this post I made in reference to the Slashcode changes.
I mentioned how CmdrTaco and friends will never defeat the trolls because they are some of the most ingenius and inventive Slashdot users. This is a perfect example. Way to go sllort! Thanks for proving me right!
All the changes to Slashcode will do is hurt the users who do not troll. Stupid Taco.
Valid points, but a bit naive.
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At the risk of being elitist and even greedy, I think businesses like Microsoft need to be expressly restricted from open source. This only due to the double-edged sword of the strategy used by Microsoft and companies to advance their goals.
Microsoft capitalize on open source software (example, see the TCP/IP stack in WinNT). At the same time they are reaping the rewards of good, honest work on the part of open source developers, they are always trying to defame and "defeat" open source initiative. "Don't use Linux, it's evil. Replace *BSD with Windows. Apache is inferior to IIS." Etc.
Who's to say MS will be providing the.Net functionality? Maybe they're going to provide funding and technical support to have the Apache project implement it. Accusing MS of having some devious plan to undermine Apache is a little premature.
Please note that.NET is loaded with patents. Even if they don't implement the functionality for Apache, they will still own it. If they own it, they can fully exercise control over it. The only benefit I can see to this whole venture is in the long term: perhaps gearing up to use.NET will allow for.GNU and Mono replacement drop-ins. Back on topic, I do not believe it is premature to state MS are trying to undermine Apache. Of course they are trying to undermine Apache! Apache usually means *nix, and *nix means no Windows. It cuts into their marketshare, and they want it gone. Their tactics here are similar to those used to defeat other forms of competition. The difference here is that they cannot "buy up" Apache because it's not a corporate entity. Instead, they need to get their foot in the door and poison it. Don't trust Microsoft. They want Apache + *nix gone by whatever means necessary. This mentality is why they are in court.
I disagree. Get everyone, including Microsoft, into Open Source. Get the hobby programmers, the after-hours professional programmers, the big corporations. Bring them all in, get them to contribute to and use Open Source software.
The only people that have a right to be involved in open source (either as users or contributors) are those who will at the very least not hurt the movement. Microsoft want to damage open source in whatever way they possibly can. On this token, I want to see more IBM involvement in open source because while they are capitalizing on it, they are also giving it good press and contributing a ton of code. Do you see the contrast to Microsoft's attitude? They capitalize on it while giving it bad press and trying to destroy interoperability with it (hence patents on CIFS and attacks on Samba).
Do not trust them!
Re:A link to the article would have been nice...
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Think of it as their throwing OSS a bone.
How does the prisoners throw the kings a bone? We don't need them, they need us! Microsoft has got to get their pitiful technology into the mainstream via the leading contender. Apache adopting any of Microsoft's offerings is a bad idea. The bone is poisoned and we should toss it back.
Someone else on the forum made a comment about how Microsoft needs.NET to be ubiquitous for it to be successful. That means running on Apache. Why on earth would we want to help them acheive that when in the long run, it's only a means for them to defeat OSS?
A link to the article would have been nice...
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But though the editors were lazy or Slashcode was buggy, I'll put in a couple of cents anyway.
First of all, this is bad. Microsoft are not adopting the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" ideal. Apache dominates web servers. No doubt about it. To defeat this, Microsoft are going to do what they do best: embrace, extend, erradicate.
Based on Microsoft's history, any components they write for Apache will be closed source. If it is not entirely closed, the crutial parts will be. Microsoft are not interested in opening up their IP. Consider this as one of the many possible scenarios:
Following initial proof of concept, first stage deployments and so forth, Microsoft will begin the trouble. It will strangely cease to work. Apache will be to blame and sites will like have to apply patches from Microsoft or just deal with them. At the same time, IIS will lack these problems. They will work to create inroads into the *nix space with Win.NET and IIS.
Keep Microsoft out of open source. They have no business being here. Instead, Apache people should look at either of the two.NET initiatives that are Free.
Well, I would venture that spending less time staring at the computer monitor would help maintain one's vision. Being political takes a lot of time and a lot of squinting, reading long documents and posts. Sheesh! Save your eyes!
Debian 3.0 Woody comes with KDE 2 and XFree86 4.1 while 3 and 4.2 are out respectively.
Big deal. Pretty soon, both the XFree86 and the KDE 3 situations will be rectified. So we've had to wait a bit longer. It's well worth it in my opinion since Debian makes installation and upgrade of all this software incredibly easy compared to ANY other operating system. If you want to go out and use something inferior, that's your own business. Eventually Debian gets current and once it leaps these major release hurdles, they stay current.
This is a bit sad, seeing that even CygWin and FreeBSD have more up-to-date versions in their releases. Just think of how much effort it took Cygwin to port the packages to Windows before packaging them, for example -- yet despite this their releases are far more timely.
The *BSD ports system is basically a nice way of organizing sources for programs. Very little effort is needed to add something to the system (this includes figuring out deps). So, it's not that big of a deal to see Debian lag behind BSD. Try again.
As for Cygwin, I'm trying to imagine how hard it is. Well, it just isn't. In the past few days, I've installed a lot of programs from source on Cygwin at work. None of them ever complained about not being in a real "unix" environment. Your statement clearly indicates that you've missed the whole point of Cygwin. Cygwin is designed such that it is not supposed to be hard to make packages of "unix" software for it. Duh.
The Debian packagers claim that there is a lot of intricacy involved in the packaging, and i'm sure there is, but I don't buy that people should have to use older software with known bugs, several months after the upstream authors have released their software.
Yes, it is infact intricate. Debian supports 11 platforms. Some are little endian, other big. Some are CISC, others MIPS. Some software (serpent cipher for example) only work on machines with certain endianness. As a result, this makes a dependency nightmare for the package maintainers. I'd like to see anyone else take on the job the Debian people have assumed and do 10% the quality of work.
As for using older software... well, fine, don't buy it then. It's well known in the IT world that you stick with the tried and true until the bleeding edge stops bleeding. A lot of shops know better than to jump right onto the latest version bandwagon because doing so destroys a potential resource of great value: watching other people fail in doing so. Knowing what your problems are when using software is better than using software and not knowing what problems you'll have. Again, duh.
It's stupid marketing tactics like this that help cause widespread piracy. Releasing "special editions" they will trigger a simple buyers tactic.
Lots of people on this board are mentioning how they cannot resist the August release, and will likely buy both. On the otherhand, how many of these people will in fact say "fuck it" and not hit the stores to get the August release, but rather hit Gnutella? People don't want to double their costs to get 30 minutes of extra footage, so they will end up buying the movie once. That once will be the November release. In the meantime, they'll settle for a high quality DiVX;-) rip.
Then, the MPAA will bitch and moan about how they're so fucked by piracy. Meanwhile, they were the catalyst by teasing the consumers.
Not only is this old (read it months and months ago)... and what is so "juicy" about it? So it gives a brief detail of the lifetime of a big software project. What do you think Lightwave3D is like? Maya? Shake? This isn't anything leaked or top-secret. This is just a little short about the history of the engineering of a project. Big deal. Can't wait to see the next kernel patch level.
I *just* purchased an nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 a few days ago! I hate that one lemma that states that the new hardware you want will not come out until you've paid top-dollar for what's currently on the market.
I figured one way to help this along would be to at least write in and voice my support. Here's a letter that I composed to him this evening...
I read this article: http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/1381471 this evening and learned about your move towards increasing fair use rights. I wanted to write and voice a show of support for this action!
In recent years, media technologies have become increasingly advanced, with content spreading to more and more people through a variety of channels. With this progress, we have seen greed-driven corporations work hard to deprive consumers of fair use rights. Their lobbyists have pushed legislation like the DMCA that cripples technological development. Subtle mechanisms such as CD copy protection, CSS for DVDs, and so forth, limit legitimate consumers from using the content they rightfully own in legal ways. Recently, we have seen Microsoft rally corporate support for its Palladium initiative, which will stifle innovation and fair use with nearly unbreakable DRM technologies (not to mention shattering the choice of what software can run on new computers).
All of this paints an image of a bleak future. While much effort is being put forth by advocates of freedom, little has been accomplished in blocking these attacks on fair use. It's exciting to see a law maker take a stand against assaults. While I live in <Insert Your State Here> it's still in my interests and the interests of many other people to support your cause. What is the best way that I - and perhaps others outside the state of Virginia - can support your bill?
Thank you once again for your efforts!
It may not be much, but it's a little bit. If a lot of people send in letters like this (and then actually follow up with money, time, whatever), it will produce a great message for Washington.
Mind you, I am still very new to WC3. I have barely played the thing as much as some players. (300 hours, cripes!?)
However, I have played at least 20 games of melee combat (just me versus a computer) on a variety of different maps. I lose every single time. Why? Because no matter what I do, the computer is always there first with more units and a souped up hero that trounces anything I can build. The comp. players are don't have this nuisance of having to click around to build things like we do. But given WC3's interface, it's hard to click around different structures like a hyper 10 year old.
The end result is that their army is always at least twice the size of my army. And when they attack, and I fight back, they retreat with half their units intact and none of mine. Then they come back in with double the size and I am still trying to build 5 units.
I have not played against human opponents yet, and from what I read here, I already don't want to. It seems some people have already learned how to trash you in 5 minutes just like SC with zergling rushes. Stupid.
WarCraft III is a clickfest. It is not a strategy game.
are we a community of well educated tech people or are we a community of ignorant bafoons that have nothing better to do at work then spread FUD.
You sir, have just described the situation in a certain large compound in Redmond, WA.
Grow up. We're not spreading FUD. Quite the opposite actually. MS have a cruel disposition towards anything that make sense for the consumer. How about supporting us for a change instead of a company that can buy more lawyers than God.
We all complain and moan and whine that Slashdot are a bunch of sell outs. That they post stories and opinions that are sponsored by corporate interests and not in the interests of the readers.
Well, today I stumbled upon Slashdot, only to have this ad thrust in my face. (It linked to this location.)
You'd think that/. would be the last place you'd see all this bullshit MS propaganda, but alas, we can't get away from it. Slashdot (and qutie possibly OSDN) are a Microsoft funded operation, which means its stories and opinions are those of Microsoft.
Were they able to get a discount in not purchasing cooling equitment due to location? I suppose Alaska could be the paradise for heavy metal and overclocking...
Will this replace assembly graphics coding once and for all?
What on earth are you talking about? This will be a requirement... ALWAYS. You know why? Because nVidia is only one company. Not everyone conforms to their "standards". This is good especially because they are in bed with Microsoft. They are a conduit for MS to control the graphics market as nVidia are up for sale to the highest bidder.
So, what do you do when you want to strengthen control on a market? You introduce a new language that makes it easier for developers to take advantage of one piece of hardware on your platform!
No, this will NOT replace ASM for driver/graphics engine development. It should be disregarded because there's nothing standard about it. Hopefully, the leaders in the industry will always support chipsets other than nVidia's.
According to this story, it is indeed true that a large motorcycle gang uses Linux, and is infact willing to beat people up to protect Linux developers. From the story:
"I was running from the gun nuts and the police, and was running down the middle of the street in a panic. I thought it couldn't possibly get worse. I look up and it's a freakin million bikers wearing gang colors, coming right at me. The guy asks me why I'm runnin' and I tell him that they're trying to kill us because we're into Linux. This dude, the meanest, most evil-looking dude I ever saw in my life looks at me and says 'sheeeit, Linux? I run Red Hat on my linux box" and nods to the dude next to him. Turns out that the chief enforcer for the gang had met Linus Torvalds at Sturgis way back years ago. Linus turned him on to Red Hat, and he's been writing GNU software ever since."
They are letting us see the Balkans so that people are less interested in seeing what's going on in Afghanistan. They've set up a honey pot. Or at the very least, they really want to hide what's going on in Afghanistan. I wonder what they consider the security threat model to be from a bunch of desert nomads with a lot of plastique and too much time on their hands?
Yoda is the greatest of all Jedi Masters. Not only the most skilled with The Force, but also the best with a light sabre. This is even mentioned in the original trilogy repeatedly with instances of Yoda stating, "judge me by my size, do you?" Then, he proceeds to lift an entire X-Wing fighter, full of water, out of a murky swamp.
In otherwords, we've known from the beginning that Yoda has been hiding himself, taking advantage of a key mistake made by his opponents: that they would underestimate him. (Note also that he knows those of the Dark Side do this all the time, and thus comments to it.)
When George Lucas decided to have Yoda fight, I think most of us were thrilled, not appauled. Finally, we got to see the greatest of all Jedi do battle. And it was good. Even if you don't think Yoda should have a sabre, at least consider that watching Yoda do a bunch of psionics would be very boring at least. For me, it realized a very well-known plot element.
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Hah! You know, everyone should go read this post I made in reference to the Slashcode changes.
I mentioned how CmdrTaco and friends will never defeat the trolls because they are some of the most ingenius and inventive Slashdot users. This is a perfect example. Way to go sllort! Thanks for proving me right!
All the changes to Slashcode will do is hurt the users who do not troll. Stupid Taco.
At the risk of being elitist and even greedy, I think businesses like Microsoft need to be expressly restricted from open source. This only due to the double-edged sword of the strategy used by Microsoft and companies to advance their goals.
.Net functionality? Maybe they're going to provide funding and technical support to have the Apache project implement it. Accusing MS of having some devious plan to undermine Apache is a little premature.
.NET is loaded with patents. Even if they don't implement the functionality for Apache, they will still own it. If they own it, they can fully exercise control over it. The only benefit I can see to this whole venture is in the long term: perhaps gearing up to use .NET will allow for .GNU and Mono replacement drop-ins. Back on topic, I do not believe it is premature to state MS are trying to undermine Apache. Of course they are trying to undermine Apache! Apache usually means *nix, and *nix means no Windows. It cuts into their marketshare, and they want it gone. Their tactics here are similar to those used to defeat other forms of competition. The difference here is that they cannot "buy up" Apache because it's not a corporate entity. Instead, they need to get their foot in the door and poison it. Don't trust Microsoft. They want Apache + *nix gone by whatever means necessary. This mentality is why they are in court.
Microsoft capitalize on open source software (example, see the TCP/IP stack in WinNT). At the same time they are reaping the rewards of good, honest work on the part of open source developers, they are always trying to defame and "defeat" open source initiative. "Don't use Linux, it's evil. Replace *BSD with Windows. Apache is inferior to IIS." Etc.
Who's to say MS will be providing the
Please note that
I disagree. Get everyone, including Microsoft, into Open Source. Get the hobby programmers, the after-hours professional programmers, the big corporations. Bring them all in, get them to contribute to and use Open Source software.
The only people that have a right to be involved in open source (either as users or contributors) are those who will at the very least not hurt the movement. Microsoft want to damage open source in whatever way they possibly can. On this token, I want to see more IBM involvement in open source because while they are capitalizing on it, they are also giving it good press and contributing a ton of code. Do you see the contrast to Microsoft's attitude? They capitalize on it while giving it bad press and trying to destroy interoperability with it (hence patents on CIFS and attacks on Samba).
Do not trust them!
Think of it as their throwing OSS a bone.
.NET to be ubiquitous for it to be successful. That means running on Apache. Why on earth would we want to help them acheive that when in the long run, it's only a means for them to defeat OSS?
How does the prisoners throw the kings a bone? We don't need them, they need us! Microsoft has got to get their pitiful technology into the mainstream via the leading contender. Apache adopting any of Microsoft's offerings is a bad idea. The bone is poisoned and we should toss it back.
Someone else on the forum made a comment about how Microsoft needs
But though the editors were lazy or Slashcode was buggy, I'll put in a couple of cents anyway.
.NET initiatives that are Free.
First of all, this is bad. Microsoft are not adopting the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" ideal. Apache dominates web servers. No doubt about it. To defeat this, Microsoft are going to do what they do best: embrace, extend, erradicate.
Based on Microsoft's history, any components they write for Apache will be closed source. If it is not entirely closed, the crutial parts will be. Microsoft are not interested in opening up their IP. Consider this as one of the many possible scenarios:
Following initial proof of concept, first stage deployments and so forth, Microsoft will begin the trouble. It will strangely cease to work. Apache will be to blame and sites will like have to apply patches from Microsoft or just deal with them. At the same time, IIS will lack these problems. They will work to create inroads into the *nix space with Win.NET and IIS.
Keep Microsoft out of open source. They have no business being here. Instead, Apache people should look at either of the two
Open Source Politics - Maintaining Your Vision?
Well, I would venture that spending less time staring at the computer monitor would help maintain one's vision. Being political takes a lot of time and a lot of squinting, reading long documents and posts. Sheesh! Save your eyes!
Yes, this is supposed to be funny. Laugh. Moderate with "Funny". Thank you.
(And moderate this post up to informative.)
...rather than doing Google searches and piecing together a perspective of it on my own.
Isn't this rather typical of all Ask Slashdot submissions?
Someone is buying...
Yes, indeed. And they must be stopped at all costs by whatever means necessary.
Debian 3.0 Woody comes with KDE 2 and XFree86 4.1 while 3 and 4.2 are out respectively.
Big deal. Pretty soon, both the XFree86 and the KDE 3 situations will be rectified. So we've had to wait a bit longer. It's well worth it in my opinion since Debian makes installation and upgrade of all this software incredibly easy compared to ANY other operating system. If you want to go out and use something inferior, that's your own business. Eventually Debian gets current and once it leaps these major release hurdles, they stay current.
This is a bit sad, seeing that even CygWin and FreeBSD have more up-to-date versions in their releases. Just think of how much effort it took Cygwin to port the packages to Windows before packaging them, for example -- yet despite this their releases are far more timely.
The *BSD ports system is basically a nice way of organizing sources for programs. Very little effort is needed to add something to the system (this includes figuring out deps). So, it's not that big of a deal to see Debian lag behind BSD. Try again.
As for Cygwin, I'm trying to imagine how hard it is. Well, it just isn't. In the past few days, I've installed a lot of programs from source on Cygwin at work. None of them ever complained about not being in a real "unix" environment. Your statement clearly indicates that you've missed the whole point of Cygwin. Cygwin is designed such that it is not supposed to be hard to make packages of "unix" software for it. Duh.
The Debian packagers claim that there is a lot of intricacy involved in the packaging, and i'm sure there is, but I don't buy that people should have to use older software with known bugs, several months after the upstream authors have released their software.
Yes, it is infact intricate. Debian supports 11 platforms. Some are little endian, other big. Some are CISC, others MIPS. Some software (serpent cipher for example) only work on machines with certain endianness. As a result, this makes a dependency nightmare for the package maintainers. I'd like to see anyone else take on the job the Debian people have assumed and do 10% the quality of work.
As for using older software... well, fine, don't buy it then. It's well known in the IT world that you stick with the tried and true until the bleeding edge stops bleeding. A lot of shops know better than to jump right onto the latest version bandwagon because doing so destroys a potential resource of great value: watching other people fail in doing so. Knowing what your problems are when using software is better than using software and not knowing what problems you'll have. Again, duh.
It's stupid marketing tactics like this that help cause widespread piracy. Releasing "special editions" they will trigger a simple buyers tactic.
;-) rip.
Lots of people on this board are mentioning how they cannot resist the August release, and will likely buy both. On the otherhand, how many of these people will in fact say "fuck it" and not hit the stores to get the August release, but rather hit Gnutella? People don't want to double their costs to get 30 minutes of extra footage, so they will end up buying the movie once. That once will be the November release. In the meantime, they'll settle for a high quality DiVX
Then, the MPAA will bitch and moan about how they're so fucked by piracy. Meanwhile, they were the catalyst by teasing the consumers.
Not only is this old (read it months and months ago)... and what is so "juicy" about it? So it gives a brief detail of the lifetime of a big software project. What do you think Lightwave3D is like? Maya? Shake? This isn't anything leaked or top-secret. This is just a little short about the history of the engineering of a project. Big deal. Can't wait to see the next kernel patch level.
I *just* purchased an nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 a few days ago! I hate that one lemma that states that the new hardware you want will not come out until you've paid top-dollar for what's currently on the market.
I have crimped hundreds of cables. I was just trying to whore a few Funny points.
Who hasn't crimped cat-5 before?
I haven't, you insensitive cretin!
Mind you, I am still very new to WC3. I have barely played the thing as much as some players. (300 hours, cripes!?)
However, I have played at least 20 games of melee combat (just me versus a computer) on a variety of different maps. I lose every single time. Why? Because no matter what I do, the computer is always there first with more units and a souped up hero that trounces anything I can build. The comp. players are don't have this nuisance of having to click around to build things like we do. But given WC3's interface, it's hard to click around different structures like a hyper 10 year old.
The end result is that their army is always at least twice the size of my army. And when they attack, and I fight back, they retreat with half their units intact and none of mine. Then they come back in with double the size and I am still trying to build 5 units.
I have not played against human opponents yet, and from what I read here, I already don't want to. It seems some people have already learned how to trash you in 5 minutes just like SC with zergling rushes. Stupid.
WarCraft III is a clickfest. It is not a strategy game.
are we a community of well educated tech people or are we a community of ignorant bafoons that have nothing better to do at work then spread FUD.
You sir, have just described the situation in a certain large compound in Redmond, WA.
Grow up. We're not spreading FUD. Quite the opposite actually. MS have a cruel disposition towards anything that make sense for the consumer. How about supporting us for a change instead of a company that can buy more lawyers than God.
We all complain and moan and whine that Slashdot are a bunch of sell outs. That they post stories and opinions that are sponsored by corporate interests and not in the interests of the readers.
/. would be the last place you'd see all this bullshit MS propaganda, but alas, we can't get away from it. Slashdot (and qutie possibly OSDN) are a Microsoft funded operation, which means its stories and opinions are those of Microsoft.
Well, today I stumbled upon Slashdot, only to have this ad thrust in my face. (It linked to this location.)
You'd think that
Be even more careful about what you read here.
Were they able to get a discount in not purchasing cooling equitment due to location? I suppose Alaska could be the paradise for heavy metal and overclocking...
Will this replace assembly graphics coding once and for all?
What on earth are you talking about? This will be a requirement... ALWAYS. You know why? Because nVidia is only one company. Not everyone conforms to their "standards". This is good especially because they are in bed with Microsoft. They are a conduit for MS to control the graphics market as nVidia are up for sale to the highest bidder.
So, what do you do when you want to strengthen control on a market? You introduce a new language that makes it easier for developers to take advantage of one piece of hardware on your platform!
No, this will NOT replace ASM for driver/graphics engine development. It should be disregarded because there's nothing standard about it. Hopefully, the leaders in the industry will always support chipsets other than nVidia's.
...absolutely correct.
...will be sure to report every single one.
According to this story, it is indeed true that a large motorcycle gang uses Linux, and is infact willing to beat people up to protect Linux developers. From the story:
"I was running from the gun nuts and the police, and was running down the middle of the street in a panic. I thought it couldn't possibly get worse. I look up and it's a freakin million bikers wearing gang colors, coming right at me. The guy asks me why I'm runnin' and I tell him that they're trying to kill us because we're into Linux. This dude, the meanest, most evil-looking dude I ever saw in my life looks at me and says 'sheeeit, Linux? I run Red Hat on my linux box" and nods to the dude next to him. Turns out that the chief enforcer for the gang had met Linus Torvalds at Sturgis way back years ago. Linus turned him on to Red Hat, and he's been writing GNU software ever since."
They are letting us see the Balkans so that people are less interested in seeing what's going on in Afghanistan. They've set up a honey pot. Or at the very least, they really want to hide what's going on in Afghanistan. I wonder what they consider the security threat model to be from a bunch of desert nomads with a lot of plastique and too much time on their hands?
Yoda is the greatest of all Jedi Masters. Not only the most skilled with The Force, but also the best with a light sabre. This is even mentioned in the original trilogy repeatedly with instances of Yoda stating, "judge me by my size, do you?" Then, he proceeds to lift an entire X-Wing fighter, full of water, out of a murky swamp.
In otherwords, we've known from the beginning that Yoda has been hiding himself, taking advantage of a key mistake made by his opponents: that they would underestimate him. (Note also that he knows those of the Dark Side do this all the time, and thus comments to it.)
When George Lucas decided to have Yoda fight, I think most of us were thrilled, not appauled. Finally, we got to see the greatest of all Jedi do battle. And it was good. Even if you don't think Yoda should have a sabre, at least consider that watching Yoda do a bunch of psionics would be very boring at least. For me, it realized a very well-known plot element.