No, I noticed it. Was watching TV (yes I admit it), saw the ad, and was about to say 'WTF I'm so sick of these Apple ads trying to convince everyone they're a fucking special unique snowflake' and then boom I see the Windows logo.
That's true too. I hesitate to quote a church signboard, but I saw one once that was like "When looking for flaws, use a mirror, not a telescope." OH SNAP!!
Nice thought, but if step 1 is getting everyone to treat everyone with dignity and respect, that is going to be really fucking hard. You're saying "Hey let's not just score a point, let's WIN THE WHOLE GAME!" Except how do you win the game? One point at a time. But I also think (and commented elsewhere in the thread) that "the number of women in open source" is kind of unrelated to "the amount of dignity and respect people treat each other with." So you're right to point out the difference, because it really is a pretty shitty way of measuring progress... chosen because it's easy, not because it's accurate or right.
Classic case of trying to reduce the problem to a solvable one, and then solve that. The number of women in open source, is not really so closely related to the amount of unbiased respect & kindness people treat each other with. The goal is the latter, but it's impossible to measure and frankly may be impossible to do, so I guess that's why we're talking about the former. You could argue it'd be a step in the right direction but people are noticing how retarded the reasoning is.
Actually I think this was pretty much disingenuous clickbait. Everybody knew what this comment string would look like ahead of time, what things would be said (again).
Yeah men just let it slide... are you kidding me? 1st man tells 2nd man he's being a fuckwad, 2nd man gets so puffed up with bravado, threat displays and yes DRAMA, that you know there will be asses kicked over it, maybe even deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel
Always handy to be able to project all your flaws on people who are not you, and all the virtues on yourself. Gender discussion is irrelevant anyway. It's been widely established that Linus is a fucking dick to people, male & female alike.
Yeah but people aren't allowed to murder people, and each one has a right of way, and might doesn't make right, and a person was responsible for putting all that mass in motion in the first place and is responsible for supervising it and controlling it. Might I instead suggest a smaller vehicle for you, one you're actually able to control in compliance with the fucking law. What you're saying is that a person can spend $10,000 extra to wrap himself in 4,000 lbs of extra mass, and become a "super-citizen" with more power and more rights than a regular citizen. Or I dunno maybe you would agree to be shot at in public as you go by? After all, bullets go really fast and can't stop as easily as cars.
I'm not terribly impressed. HOWEVER: A world in which these companies trip over each other trying to appear to care about your privacy, indicates that a shift has already happened in the market and in the minds of the public at large, and these 2 behemoths are now trying to reconcile their business models with the new reality. KEEP THE PRESSURE ON THEM, and if you haven't said thanks to Ed Snowden lately, I hear he's now on the Tweeter.
That's the guy yeah. The one who thinks building whatever he wants in the resource-constrained physical world is the same as making PayPal, and that physics and economics are bound to bend to his will, and that the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because of a lack of imagination by everyone on earth... until he came along that is!
35 words into the summary we've got "people who don't think they should have to be social in order to succeed" as the definition of an introvert?
1) It's not about what they think about themselves, or what they think they "should," "have to," do; it's about who and what they are.
2) It's not about refusing to "be social" because first of all, that's meaningless. That would be like refusing to "be cardiovascular." (You can't take one part of human existence and "be" it. You have certain social patterns, regardless, just like you have certain cardiovascular characteristics.) And secondly it's false. Introverts interact socially just fine, they just tend to prefer to socialize in smaller groups, esp. one-on-one.
If the schools were already doing a great job at teaching kids the stuff they've always tried to teach -- in other words doing a great job in their core job duties if you will -- and wanted to take on this additional challenge/responsibility, I'd say, great, have at it.
Sure, sure, another article about how the technicians know better than the managers. Half the time the conclusion is "Doggone it they should let US run the company!" whereas this one falls in the other half, namely "Those guys would run the company so much better if they just understood us!"
Bit of hubris there. People need to be aware of the limitations of their knowledge. The Dunning-Kruger effect is in full force, both for a manager looking at technical tasks, AND for a technician looking at management tasks. They are separate fields, and they should communicate, but remain separate. There will always be tension because their ways of looking at the world, and even their ideas about what constitutes a "good outcome," are inherently different.
Dunning-Kruger "I could manage this team better"
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youthfully idealistic "life would be so much cooler without deadlines, schedules, goals, budgets, money, time, calendars, clocks, prices etc... but let's keep the paychecks please"
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#NoEstimates
There are shitty managers, but only when you've a) communicated what you (think you) know to them, and b) appreciated everything that goes into their decisions, can you say for sure whether you have a shitty manager. Managing is a thing, just like programming is a thing. But if you're pretty sure you can manage yourself better, start a startup.
Watched the clip from the film. Several small signs betray the supposed interviewee as a not-very-good actor reading a script. So either that script consists of emails from the actual RipSec guy (in which case that fact should be stated more clearly in the disclaimer at 0:09), or this is a complete fake. Documentary makers - be honest about your little dramatic flourishes, or your whole story becomes suspect. YOU become suspect.
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No, I noticed it. Was watching TV (yes I admit it), saw the ad, and was about to say 'WTF I'm so sick of these Apple ads trying to convince everyone they're a fucking special unique snowflake' and then boom I see the Windows logo.
Amazon sues itself to get rid of false & misleading EMPLOYEE reviews.
Thank you. Imaginary mod up.
LOL. At least it's not about The (fucking) Martian again.
That's true too. I hesitate to quote a church signboard, but I saw one once that was like "When looking for flaws, use a mirror, not a telescope." OH SNAP!!
Nice thought, but if step 1 is getting everyone to treat everyone with dignity and respect, that is going to be really fucking hard. You're saying "Hey let's not just score a point, let's WIN THE WHOLE GAME!" Except how do you win the game? One point at a time. But I also think (and commented elsewhere in the thread) that "the number of women in open source" is kind of unrelated to "the amount of dignity and respect people treat each other with." So you're right to point out the difference, because it really is a pretty shitty way of measuring progress... chosen because it's easy, not because it's accurate or right.
Classic case of trying to reduce the problem to a solvable one, and then solve that. The number of women in open source, is not really so closely related to the amount of unbiased respect & kindness people treat each other with. The goal is the latter, but it's impossible to measure and frankly may be impossible to do, so I guess that's why we're talking about the former. You could argue it'd be a step in the right direction but people are noticing how retarded the reasoning is.
Actually I think this was pretty much disingenuous clickbait. Everybody knew what this comment string would look like ahead of time, what things would be said (again).
Also see: the entire Bible
They're being paid, most likely. See this comment: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8124451&cid=50667931
(and that as the figurehead for the whole effort he has a non-negligible effect on the tone of communications)
Yeah men just let it slide... are you kidding me? 1st man tells 2nd man he's being a fuckwad, 2nd man gets so puffed up with bravado, threat displays and yes DRAMA, that you know there will be asses kicked over it, maybe even deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel
Always handy to be able to project all your flaws on people who are not you, and all the virtues on yourself. Gender discussion is irrelevant anyway. It's been widely established that Linus is a fucking dick to people, male & female alike.
...when he said "another one bites the dust."
Yeah but people aren't allowed to murder people, and each one has a right of way, and might doesn't make right, and a person was responsible for putting all that mass in motion in the first place and is responsible for supervising it and controlling it. Might I instead suggest a smaller vehicle for you, one you're actually able to control in compliance with the fucking law. What you're saying is that a person can spend $10,000 extra to wrap himself in 4,000 lbs of extra mass, and become a "super-citizen" with more power and more rights than a regular citizen. Or I dunno maybe you would agree to be shot at in public as you go by? After all, bullets go really fast and can't stop as easily as cars.
Well this ought to send the death rate plummeting for all those maritime pedestrians.
Ohhh Dan Hodges. America decided killing children was fine long ago. Just Iraqi ones though, not the precious, precious American ones.
Uber customers are mobility-impaired cows. Cows say moo, moo say the cows, YOU UBER COWS, etc.
I'm not terribly impressed. HOWEVER: A world in which these companies trip over each other trying to appear to care about your privacy, indicates that a shift has already happened in the market and in the minds of the public at large, and these 2 behemoths are now trying to reconcile their business models with the new reality. KEEP THE PRESSURE ON THEM, and if you haven't said thanks to Ed Snowden lately, I hear he's now on the Tweeter.
That's the guy yeah. The one who thinks building whatever he wants in the resource-constrained physical world is the same as making PayPal, and that physics and economics are bound to bend to his will, and that the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because of a lack of imagination by everyone on earth... until he came along that is!
...Who's sick of this guy's brainfarts being endlessly repeated & tweeted & written about like they were.... not brainfarts?
35 words into the summary we've got "people who don't think they should have to be social in order to succeed" as the definition of an introvert?
1) It's not about what they think about themselves, or what they think they "should," "have to," do; it's about who and what they are.
2) It's not about refusing to "be social" because first of all, that's meaningless. That would be like refusing to "be cardiovascular." (You can't take one part of human existence and "be" it. You have certain social patterns, regardless, just like you have certain cardiovascular characteristics.) And secondly it's false. Introverts interact socially just fine, they just tend to prefer to socialize in smaller groups, esp. one-on-one.
If the schools were already doing a great job at teaching kids the stuff they've always tried to teach -- in other words doing a great job in their core job duties if you will -- and wanted to take on this additional challenge/responsibility, I'd say, great, have at it.
...no matter how hard they try to make it into a mountain.
Sure, sure, another article about how the technicians know better than the managers. Half the time the conclusion is "Doggone it they should let US run the company!" whereas this one falls in the other half, namely "Those guys would run the company so much better if they just understood us!"
Bit of hubris there. People need to be aware of the limitations of their knowledge. The Dunning-Kruger effect is in full force, both for a manager looking at technical tasks, AND for a technician looking at management tasks. They are separate fields, and they should communicate, but remain separate. There will always be tension because their ways of looking at the world, and even their ideas about what constitutes a "good outcome," are inherently different.
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youthfully idealistic "life would be so much cooler without deadlines, schedules, goals, budgets, money, time, calendars, clocks, prices etc... but let's keep the paychecks please"
=
#NoEstimates
There are shitty managers, but only when you've a) communicated what you (think you) know to them, and b) appreciated everything that goes into their decisions, can you say for sure whether you have a shitty manager. Managing is a thing, just like programming is a thing. But if you're pretty sure you can manage yourself better, start a startup.
Watched the clip from the film. Several small signs betray the supposed interviewee as a not-very-good actor reading a script. So either that script consists of emails from the actual RipSec guy (in which case that fact should be stated more clearly in the disclaimer at 0:09), or this is a complete fake. Documentary makers - be honest about your little dramatic flourishes, or your whole story becomes suspect. YOU become suspect.