Let's also remember that Obama's 'generation' also skips email. The 'myspace generation' has no idea what a MUA is. They think that sending messages on Myspace *IS* email.
But... this is ridiculous, and this poor guy shouldn't ever have to go through this step.. or any other asinine hoops. Think what would happen to a less savvy Vista user. pwn3d!
I hate DRM. No wonder people are turning to piracy.
Oh well, add it to the list of things that Ron Paul will solve within 1 week.;-)
There were female cops present. blame them for being weaker. The guy that tasered him was a black cop. Let's call him a racist!
Either way, this college kid acted like an out of control douchebag. And he also hammed it up for the cameras that he knew were rolling, screaming like a.. well, like an attention whore. I've seen people get tagged with tasers before. The screaming & crying is just an attention whore tactic.
"I can agree that he was resisting arrest, but in this case there was no need for the arrest in the first place."
Except that if he had just walked out, things might have been fine. He started screaming "They're arresting me! WHY?! Oh gosh, what have I done?!" like a fucking tool when at that time it is clear that he was *NOT* under arrest. He was making a spectacle of himself and they were escorting him out. He started jumping around and acting like a nutjob, and it appears that he was placed under arrest *after* he started his monkey-boy antics.
This attention whore got exactly what he asked for. Also note the other "I'm gonna get some sweet footage for YouTube!" droids standing around. That's what seems to be happening. A couple people that think they're brave (they're not, actually) will yell "Why are you doing this?" and "I demand your badge number!" but for the most part people just whip out cell phones and cameras.
Or.. "hey dipshit, don't run from the fucking cops in the first place, especially not when you have a warrant."
But that might require some personal responsibility, which seems to be hard to find in America. Instead we're going to coddle the poor little criminals.
| But I HAVE seen lots of corporate Linux-desktops as well, and they seem getting more popular as well, with or without calendars. And I have seen them using mostly Evolution for their groupware-needs.
I haven't run into too many, unfortunately. In fact, I've run into more places that were considering going to OS X instead.
| So push something else. IBM has announced that Lotus Notes will run on Linux, so push that instead. It has more groupware-features that you can shake a stick at.
Are they actually shipping it? How about the price tag? Oracle Calendar is a nice cross platform app, but there's a price tag attached to it.
| You talked of using Linux on the desktop, period. Calendaring (or lack of it) does NOT prevent you from using Linux on the desktop. I have seen zillion Linux-desktops, all running fine even though they apparently have a huge flaw of not having a decent calendar. Hall, I have seen many companies that don't give a flying fuck about goddamn calendar.
No, I never said that it prevented you from using it on the desktop, but like it or not, the lack of a calendar will cause many organizations to look the other way. Is that really difficult to understand?
Face it - the open source community has missed a huge opportunity. People were too busy writing Kazaa and Bittorrent clients instead. It looks like Apple is going to do even better for itself.
But maybe this is a moot point - see my other post. Apple is releasing the complete source code and calling it Darwin Calendar Server. Maybe something good will come out of that.
"Apple is a member of the CalConnect Consortium and is committed to open, standards-based calendaring and scheduling protocols. To further the widespread adoption and deployment of these calendaring standards, complete source code will be released to the open source community as part of the Darwin Calendar Server project, hosted on the opensource.apple.com website"
Here's your competition to Outlook & Exchange right here. See that? "complete source code." Maybe this is the chance the OSS community needs.
No, it's most certainly NOT as much of a failure. What a ridiculous comment! When attached to Leopard's iCal server, it'll have quite a few of the same features that makes Exchange & Outlook attractive to small business/home office users. You know, features that the open source calendaring apps lack. (and have lacked for years)
It's quite different. All I'm saying is that it's looking like a pretty damn good product so far, and it looks a hell of a lot better than the OSS 'solutions' that folks still tout.
If you want to keep sucking on the OSS teat, go right ahead. The rest of us want to get some actual work done.
I hate to have to bitchslap you with a little bit of reality, but the OSS world really does need a wake up call. Whether you like it or not, Mac OS X is slapping Linux around like a little whore in the desktop market. I do quite a bit of consulting in the Silicon Valley, and *nobody* is expressing interest in Linux desktops. They're all looking at Mac OS X as a Windows alternative instead. What's keeping many small business users from switching is calendaring.
Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more of my time explaining the obvious to the Slashdot crowd. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic isn't my gig./out
replying to an AC is fun. Especially when they demonstrate how absolutely clueless they are with crap like "Solutions like Evolution are improving to meet this."
"But to claim that some app that runs on ONLY 2% of computer systems in the world"
Check your figures, troll. The market share is more than 2%.
I'm well aware of Exchange, and that's what keeps a lot of people tied to Outlook. Provide a better product, and people will use it. So far, the OSS community has been too busy adding transparent backgrounds to KDE windows so you can see your Buffy desktop in OpenGL or writing Yet Another eMule Clone. It's been a FAILURE when it comes to the calendaring realm. (Seriously, see my previous comments. I've been bitching about this for years now, and diddly squat has changed.)
Scream "fanboi" all you want, but the fact remains - Apple has a pretty damn good product, and it looks to be a viable alternative to Outlook and Exchange. If you're too stupid to see that, then go and have fun with your l33t linux box and shit like KMail.
Spoken like someone that has no idea of how the corporate world works. Obviously you've never spent time pushing and fighting for open source solutions to be added to your environment only to be shut out because the END USERS that you SUPPORT demanded a functional application based groupware solution. Outlook & Exchange fit that bill. Opengroupware is a nice try, but it's still mostly web based crap, which the users don't want.
Your comment is fucking ridiculous. Calendaring *IS* where it's at. Why the hell do you think people actually migrate to Exchange and Outlook? For the superior IMAP features? NO! It's the goddamn CALENDAR. Outlook Calendar type functionality is a *HUGE* user request. Evolution, Sunbird, opengroupware - they all lack the features that users actually want.
Scalix comes pretty damn close, but once you look at the pricing, the pointy haired turkeys start saying shit like "Well, we can get a discount on Exchange, so let's just use that. This Linux solution isn't free." And it's all downhill from there.
The open source community is a failure when it comes to taking down Outlook. So far, Apple is poised to actually make headway against Outlook & Exchange.
Many people, including corporate users, aren't sucking Google's cock like half of Slashdot is. Can Google Calendar allow a user to schedule conference rooms? NO. Can Google Calendar auto-schedule meetings for groups of users based on their specificed free/busy times? NO.
Google Calendar isn't a serious alternative to Outlook by any stretch of the imagination. if you want to have basic webcal support, sure, but you don't even need Google for that.
Clearly you're missing the point. Or, you're not a corporate user (or sysadmin that has been peppered for group calendaring solutions for YEARS while trying to avoid Outlook and Exchange.)
Evolution doesn't have half the features that the Outlook calendar has. Last time I checked, it can't do resource scheduling, free/busy, or auto scheduling. Did you even read my post? I KNOW Evolution has basic calendaring and web cal support, but that's basically it. Actual real corporate users need more features, and it just doesn't deliver.
This is shit that should have existed *YEARS* ago.
Let's face it, folks. The open source community has been a FAILURE when it comes to beating Exchange & Outlook at calendaring. Don't waste my time with Mozilla "Lightning" or Sunbird. They have managed to create exactly *dick* in the past few years. (See my previous posts about it.)
Here comes iCal, doing everything that Sunbird should have done several years ago. Here is the first chance at an "Outlook killer." Mail 3 & iCal = notes, to do, free/busy scheduling, auto scheduling, resource scheduling..
"Any services you know of that a bank can do a CU cant?"
yeah, give me a VISA check card (Golden One CU runs a credit check before giving out what EVERY OTHER FUCKING BANK IN THE STATE DOES), not hold deposits more than $500, and actually have some farkin branches. I still have a CU account because all of the branches are too far away for me to go close it, but they treat me like shit. Oddly enough, Bank of America has actually given me *less* trouble than any other bank I've ever dealt with.
Credit unions suck as much ass as most banks do. Don't fool yourself.
And Apple has a growing call center facility near Sacramento, CA - real estate is a hell of a lot cheaper up there.
Failing that, Apple could build a huge facility in North Dakota, as many biotech & research firms are. Cheap real estate (like, REAL cheap) and an educated workforce. (anyone that thinks otherwise is clueless about the midwest)
Apple doesn't need to send a fucking thing to India. And the Indians, who think that the world revolves around them, are pissed off.
We found the same thing recently. The Indians were the ones that would straight up LIE to us and then continue to lie when we called them on it. And I'm not talking about serious stuff.. I'm talking about shit like "What's a command that can be used to change Sudo stuff" and the reply would be "pico sudo.conf" - 'visudo' was a total mystery to them. So was.. uh, 'sudoers.' The Chinese folks we interviewed would also fluff up their resume a lot.
The plain ol' Americans? We found very little resume fluff. What we did find is that they were at least honest when we asked them about the experience/skills listed on the resume. "Oh, I see you note Perl on here. How are you with it?" The reply would be "Well, I'm no Larry Wall, but I've written scripts to do X.. Y.."
That's why I told emusic to go fuck themselves. I had an account with them, and they changed their terms & conditions *drastically* a little over halfway through. I told them that I thought the new terms were unacceptable and I was going to cancel. They flat out told me "You can't cancel, you have 5 months left." We were given no notice of the new terms, no warning about the changes, just *bam* "Here's our new service! whee!"
I told them to fuck off, and cancelled the credit card they'd been billing. I wrote them and explained exactly why. Fuckers.
LiveJournal can do the exact same thing. They'll just wind up losing users, but there are enough newbies coming online to take their place. This is another example of $website_that_got_big pissing all over the early adopters.
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Conspiracy solved. It's senior citizens that have fat fingers. Probably using half of their palm to touch the screen.
If they're concerned, they can cancel the vote and request a paper ballot.
This is most likely just pre-election conspiracy media fluffing in case Obama loses, which is still a possibility.
Let's also remember that Obama's 'generation' also skips email. The 'myspace generation' has no idea what a MUA is. They think that sending messages on Myspace *IS* email.
Kids say email is dead.
You're right. Why is this here? The Slashdot crowd will simply whore out gmail, fastmail, or dreamhost.
I'm surprised at this, actually. 8 years ago I would have seen more DIY solutions instead of everyone just whoring out Google.
The FBI or NSA probably has them all neatly archived somewhere for her anyway. :)
But... this is ridiculous, and this poor guy shouldn't ever have to go through this step.. or any other asinine hoops. Think what would happen to a less savvy Vista user. pwn3d!
;-)
I hate DRM. No wonder people are turning to piracy.
Oh well, add it to the list of things that Ron Paul will solve within 1 week.
The police reports are available.
Regardless of what you think of the source (Michelle Malkin) there are scans of each page of the police report.
Multiple reports say that he was generally calm & quiet - except when other people (especially ones with cameras) were around.
Check some of the other links. Seems that the guy is well known for trying to stir up shit.
There were female cops present. blame them for being weaker. The guy that tasered him was a black cop. Let's call him a racist!
Either way, this college kid acted like an out of control douchebag. And he also hammed it up for the cameras that he knew were rolling, screaming like a.. well, like an attention whore. I've seen people get tagged with tasers before. The screaming & crying is just an attention whore tactic.
"I can agree that he was resisting arrest, but in this case there was no need for the arrest in the first place."
Except that if he had just walked out, things might have been fine. He started screaming "They're arresting me! WHY?! Oh gosh, what have I done?!" like a fucking tool when at that time it is clear that he was *NOT* under arrest. He was making a spectacle of himself and they were escorting him out. He started jumping around and acting like a nutjob, and it appears that he was placed under arrest *after* he started his monkey-boy antics.
This attention whore got exactly what he asked for. Also note the other "I'm gonna get some sweet footage for YouTube!" droids standing around. That's what seems to be happening. A couple people that think they're brave (they're not, actually) will yell "Why are you doing this?" and "I demand your badge number!" but for the most part people just whip out cell phones and cameras.
"so you can keep in touch with said idiot who refuses to use email"
I just find those people and shank them in a dark alley. Problem is that there are so many idiots and not enough dark alleys..
"There are a lot of ways to get money orders cashed, or he could have setup a checking account using a fake identity."
And with banks giving away accounts to illegal immigrants, the problem is only going to get worse.
Maybe now we'll finally see an end to those photoshopped nude photos of celebrities.
"The following nude photos of Neve Campbell are VERIFIED REAL by Adobe!"
suh-weeet!
Or.. "hey dipshit, don't run from the fucking cops in the first place, especially not when you have a warrant."
But that might require some personal responsibility, which seems to be hard to find in America. Instead we're going to coddle the poor little criminals.
| But I HAVE seen lots of corporate Linux-desktops as well, and they seem getting more popular as well, with or without calendars. And I have seen them using mostly Evolution for their groupware-needs.
I haven't run into too many, unfortunately. In fact, I've run into more places that were considering going to OS X instead.
| So push something else. IBM has announced that Lotus Notes will run on Linux, so push that instead. It has more groupware-features that you can shake a stick at.
Are they actually shipping it? How about the price tag? Oracle Calendar is a nice cross platform app, but there's a price tag attached to it.
| You talked of using Linux on the desktop, period. Calendaring (or lack of it) does NOT prevent you from using Linux on the desktop. I have seen zillion Linux-desktops, all running fine even though they apparently have a huge flaw of not having a decent calendar. Hall, I have seen many companies that don't give a flying fuck about goddamn calendar.
No, I never said that it prevented you from using it on the desktop, but like it or not, the lack of a calendar will cause many organizations to look the other way. Is that really difficult to understand?
Face it - the open source community has missed a huge opportunity. People were too busy writing Kazaa and Bittorrent clients instead. It looks like Apple is going to do even better for itself.
But maybe this is a moot point - see my other post. Apple is releasing the complete source code and calling it Darwin Calendar Server. Maybe something good will come out of that.
Nobody seems to have noticed this yet:
"Apple is a member of the CalConnect Consortium and is committed to open, standards-based calendaring and scheduling protocols. To further the widespread adoption and deployment of these calendaring standards, complete source code will be released to the open source community as part of the Darwin Calendar Server project, hosted on the opensource.apple.com website"
Here's your competition to Outlook & Exchange right here. See that? "complete source code." Maybe this is the chance the OSS community needs.
No, it's most certainly NOT as much of a failure. What a ridiculous comment! When attached to Leopard's iCal server, it'll have quite a few of the same features that makes Exchange & Outlook attractive to small business/home office users. You know, features that the open source calendaring apps lack. (and have lacked for years)
/out
It's quite different. All I'm saying is that it's looking like a pretty damn good product so far, and it looks a hell of a lot better than the OSS 'solutions' that folks still tout.
If you want to keep sucking on the OSS teat, go right ahead. The rest of us want to get some actual work done.
I hate to have to bitchslap you with a little bit of reality, but the OSS world really does need a wake up call. Whether you like it or not, Mac OS X is slapping Linux around like a little whore in the desktop market. I do quite a bit of consulting in the Silicon Valley, and *nobody* is expressing interest in Linux desktops. They're all looking at Mac OS X as a Windows alternative instead. What's keeping many small business users from switching is calendaring.
Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more of my time explaining the obvious to the Slashdot crowd. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic isn't my gig.
replying to an AC is fun. Especially when they demonstrate how absolutely clueless they are with crap like "Solutions like Evolution are improving to meet this."
"But to claim that some app that runs on ONLY 2% of computer systems in the world"
Check your figures, troll. The market share is more than 2%.
I'm well aware of Exchange, and that's what keeps a lot of people tied to Outlook. Provide a better product, and people will use it. So far, the OSS community has been too busy adding transparent backgrounds to KDE windows so you can see your Buffy desktop in OpenGL or writing Yet Another eMule Clone. It's been a FAILURE when it comes to the calendaring realm. (Seriously, see my previous comments. I've been bitching about this for years now, and diddly squat has changed.)
Scream "fanboi" all you want, but the fact remains - Apple has a pretty damn good product, and it looks to be a viable alternative to Outlook and Exchange. If you're too stupid to see that, then go and have fun with your l33t linux box and shit like KMail.
Spoken like someone that has no idea of how the corporate world works. Obviously you've never spent time pushing and fighting for open source solutions to be added to your environment only to be shut out because the END USERS that you SUPPORT demanded a functional application based groupware solution. Outlook & Exchange fit that bill. Opengroupware is a nice try, but it's still mostly web based crap, which the users don't want. Your comment is fucking ridiculous. Calendaring *IS* where it's at. Why the hell do you think people actually migrate to Exchange and Outlook? For the superior IMAP features? NO! It's the goddamn CALENDAR. Outlook Calendar type functionality is a *HUGE* user request. Evolution, Sunbird, opengroupware - they all lack the features that users actually want. Scalix comes pretty damn close, but once you look at the pricing, the pointy haired turkeys start saying shit like "Well, we can get a discount on Exchange, so let's just use that. This Linux solution isn't free." And it's all downhill from there. The open source community is a failure when it comes to taking down Outlook. So far, Apple is poised to actually make headway against Outlook & Exchange.
"So why do you use 1996 technology again?"
Many people, including corporate users, aren't sucking Google's cock like half of Slashdot is. Can Google Calendar allow a user to schedule conference rooms? NO. Can Google Calendar auto-schedule meetings for groups of users based on their specificed free/busy times? NO.
Google Calendar isn't a serious alternative to Outlook by any stretch of the imagination. if you want to have basic webcal support, sure, but you don't even need Google for that.
Clearly you're missing the point. Or, you're not a corporate user (or sysadmin that has been peppered for group calendaring solutions for YEARS while trying to avoid Outlook and Exchange.)
Evolution doesn't have half the features that the Outlook calendar has. Last time I checked, it can't do resource scheduling, free/busy, or auto scheduling. Did you even read my post? I KNOW Evolution has basic calendaring and web cal support, but that's basically it. Actual real corporate users need more features, and it just doesn't deliver.
This is shit that should have existed *YEARS* ago.
Let's face it, folks. The open source community has been a FAILURE when it comes to beating Exchange & Outlook at calendaring. Don't waste my time with Mozilla "Lightning" or Sunbird. They have managed to create exactly *dick* in the past few years. (See my previous posts about it.)
Here comes iCal, doing everything that Sunbird should have done several years ago. Here is the first chance at an "Outlook killer." Mail 3 & iCal = notes, to do, free/busy scheduling, auto scheduling, resource scheduling..
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/ical.html
The year of Linux on the Desktop? No. It's the decade of OS X taking over the desktop.
"Any services you know of that a bank can do a CU cant?"
yeah, give me a VISA check card (Golden One CU runs a credit check before giving out what EVERY OTHER FUCKING BANK IN THE STATE DOES), not hold deposits more than $500, and actually have some farkin branches.
I still have a CU account because all of the branches are too far away for me to go close it, but they treat me like shit. Oddly enough, Bank of America has actually given me *less* trouble than any other bank I've ever dealt with.
Credit unions suck as much ass as most banks do. Don't fool yourself.
It wasn't $500 million. it was about $50 million.
And Apple has a growing call center facility near Sacramento, CA - real estate is a hell of a lot cheaper up there.
Failing that, Apple could build a huge facility in North Dakota, as many biotech & research firms are. Cheap real estate (like, REAL cheap) and an educated workforce. (anyone that thinks otherwise is clueless about the midwest)
Apple doesn't need to send a fucking thing to India. And the Indians, who think that the world revolves around them, are pissed off.
We found the same thing recently. The Indians were the ones that would straight up LIE to us and then continue to lie when we called them on it. And I'm not talking about serious stuff.. I'm talking about shit like "What's a command that can be used to change Sudo stuff" and the reply would be "pico sudo.conf" - 'visudo' was a total mystery to them. So was.. uh, 'sudoers.'
The Chinese folks we interviewed would also fluff up their resume a lot.
The plain ol' Americans? We found very little resume fluff. What we did find is that they were at least honest when we asked them about the experience/skills listed on the resume. "Oh, I see you note Perl on here. How are you with it?" The reply would be "Well, I'm no Larry Wall, but I've written scripts to do X.. Y.."
They're honest.
That's why I told emusic to go fuck themselves. I had an account with them, and they changed their terms & conditions *drastically* a little over halfway through. I told them that I thought the new terms were unacceptable and I was going to cancel. They flat out told me "You can't cancel, you have 5 months left." We were given no notice of the new terms, no warning about the changes, just *bam* "Here's our new service! whee!"
I told them to fuck off, and cancelled the credit card they'd been billing. I wrote them and explained exactly why. Fuckers.
LiveJournal can do the exact same thing. They'll just wind up losing users, but there are enough newbies coming online to take their place. This is another example of $website_that_got_big pissing all over the early adopters.
uh, but most of these house flippers are nothing but speculative leeches. They really are.