I totally agree with you. Most govt projects are not going to go anywhere at all. Their reward system is also set up to incentify those who do not take risks. Hence pensions are not risked and career ending moves do not occur.
I recently heard a story about the agent who found the explosive in the trunk of the terrorsist who was trying to bomb LAX in the year 2000. Instead of being rewarded for her vigilance, she was transferred out of the seattle are to east bum hump montana. She had to sell her house else risk being fired and losing her pension and or pay grade.
When I hear about those government agency projects i generally scoff because they are eithe a) vapor ware. or b) collecting dust because they were purchased just to blow a budget.
SLG admins + managers are in it for the pension. Risk usually does not bode well for those who are lookin for security and retirement after 25 yrs of service.
For Newport News this looks like he was able to make a mark for himself and got lucky. Most admins and managers that I talk to do not have this luxury.
To advance and therefor get a bigger pention they need to be able to pass on the torch.. Open source is "too complex" to pass the torch on to risk averse admins and managers.
Finally; 'free' does not look good to those who do not spend their own money (they spend our money). You need to spend budget to get budget.
Personally I think that ease of use and simplicity need to be priority #1 to get Open Source into Government.
Ya know you can get a whole lot of awesome OpenSource tools to work with SFU on Win2k3!
http://www.interopsystems.com/tools/warehouse.htm
Apache Version 1.3.27 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/apache/1.3/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/apache-1.3.27-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-09-30 This is the popular Apache open source HTTP server. (more)
Apache Version 2.0.44 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/apache/2.0/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/httpd_2.0.44-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-02-16 This is version 2.0 of the Apache open source HTTP server. (more)
autoconf Version 2.56 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/autoconf/
Updated: 2002-11-18 Autoconf is an extensible package of M4 macros that produce shell
scripts to automatically configure software source code packages. Download m4-gnu first. (more)
automake Version 1.7.1 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/automake/
Updated: 2002-11-22 This is Automake, a Makefile generator. It was inspired by the 4.4BSD 'make' and 'include' files, but aims to be portable and to conform to the GNU standards for Makefile variables and targets. (more)
atk Version 1.2.2 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/atk/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/atk-1.2.2-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-02-25 This is the GNOME Accessibility Toolkit and libraries. (more)
awk Version 20021213 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/awk/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/awk-2.12.13-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-01-03 This is awk as described in "The AWK Programming Language", by Al Aho, Brian Kernighan, and Peter Weinberger (Addison-Wesley, 1988). It contains fixes to the version of awk that ships with SFU 3.0. (more)
bash Version 2.05b for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bash/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/bash-2.05.2-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-02-25 This is GNU Bash--the GNU Project's Bourne Again SHell, a complete implementation of the POSIX.2 shell spec, plus many other features. (more)
bdes Version 1.0 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bdes/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/bdes-1.0-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-01-03 BDES is a utility for encrypting and decrypting bytes using the
DES (Data Encryption Standard). (more)
bison Version 1.35 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bison/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/bison-1.875-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-08-01 This is the YACC-compatible parser generator. (more)
bison Version 1.24 for Win32
ftp.interopsystems.com/Win32/bison/
Updated: 2003-1-15 This is a Win32 version of bison (see above). (more)
BSD Pkg Version 1.1 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bsd_pkg/
Updated: 2003-03-26 BSD Pkg is a software packaging tool from the BSD group of Operating Systems. It is divided into utilities for creating, adding, deleting, querying and signing packages. Included is a Tcl/Tk program that provides a graphical interface that is useful once a package is created. (more)
bzip Version 2-1.0.2 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bzip/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/bzip2-1.0.2-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-08-01 This is bzip2, a block-sorting file compressor. (more)
caesar Version 1.0 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/caesar/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/caesar-1.0-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-01-03 Caesar is a utility for decrypting caesar cyphers (rotations). This is the utility often used to perform "rot13" for newsgroups. (more)
catman Version 1.0 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/catman/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/catman-1.2-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-08-07 Catman is a script used to translate a large number of raw man pages to their "cat" form so that the Interix 'man' utility will find and output them. (man -k will work too.) (more)
chcase Version 1.0 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/chcase/
binary:/pkgs/3.0eng/chcase-1.0-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-02-11 Chcase was written as a helper utility when dealing with Win32 filenames. By default the utility acts as if the '-l' option has been given. It accepts one filename and converts that name into low
Not a very interesting thread IMHO; I'm sure our readers in upstate NY will agree that Kodak booms and busts more than Boeing.
Better managed and more conservative companies like Fuji (a WalMart partner) will gladly take on their market share.
Interestingly; digital film may play well for technologists like/.'ers but Photofinishing businesses are still doing quite well.
On a side note if you can handle the smell take a tour of a photofinishing lab! They are a geeks dream! Very Cool! Chemistry, Mechanics and Computing all rolled into one Mad Scientist's Dream Lab!:))
1)"Free" is not a good motivator - coming in under budget is not a motivator if they want budget they need to spend budget
2) it's too complex for SLG admins, it's not as easy to pass an open source torch on to your new team mate or underling.
what will motivate Open Sopurce Adoption?
those 400k novell seats and their admins that still run win9x and office 97 need an upgrade very badly. If Novell/SUSe and Ximian can pull off a compelling solution then you will see huga adoptions -- not these onsie twosie deals.
Mod me down if you like but this is a strong emerging market.
smell star trek quips political correctness self righteous liberalism spelling and grammar checking fashion sense long winded emails regarding IP perl scripts wanton use of the words 'crux' and 'core dump' exploitation of penguins obscure references to Ford Prefect the stalking and exploitation of Natalie Portman RMS and his viral additions of GNU/ to Linux RMS and his beard Michael Johnson and his biophobia beowulf cluster references soviet russia references
So you want your mailbox qouta expanded? sure thing clickety clickety clickety clickety click there it's contents have now been deleted plenty of room now thanks for coming out
I called into this and here are my thoughts and Notes --
In summation: they are growing at about 10% although operating costs are up a little..
From what I heard they are moving to a sales model more like Microsoft's relying more on VAR's than direct selling. Their Enterprise subscriptions seems to be moving well -- mostly driven by VAR's and OEM's and this is the driving foce in RH money today!
Kernel modifications to be released in 2004 will make Linux more accessible to Large Databases -- (where was this in 2001???)
They are branching out successfully in N Europe and Asia
Messy but thorough Notes:
2nd quarter 2004 conference Gabriel Zulik --
Matt SZulik , Kevin Thompson, Tim Buckley, -- press release after market close today -- disclaimer --
Matt Zsulik -- good news - strongest quarter ever revenue 28.8 mil 36% up 10 mil in positive growth -- Global enterprise marketplace -- replacing proprietary UNIX's for Linux -- migrating from client server to internet distributed computing -- Linux pilots -- enterprise Linux 26k in q2 -- increased international investment -- Japan Korea and northern Europe -- pacific rim partnerships -- 3rd party apps RH certification -- network appliance and people soft certified -- BEA will be in also -- embedded RH offering for hardware tools telecom positive for embedded -- Certification RHCE's 10k -- mgmt John Young from HP as VP of marketing -- Large DB's will be accessible with Kernel configs -- more enterprise ready? A shortcoming previously
Kevin Thompson -- milestones -- 1) operating profit of 240k -- operating loss of 1.1 mil in q1 -- 2) Linux enterprise subscriptions 26k up 10% 585$ each sub up 3% 3) revenue is up 200% 4) subscription renewals up 90% 4) revenue in general is up 20% 5) 3.3 mil up 120% in net income.18.5 mil in subscriptions -- mostly in enterprise 10.3 mil in services -- mostly in enterprise a little in embedded Q2 strong growth increased by enterprise subscriptions Renewal rate is healty at 90% for enterprise subscriptions -- large customers with direct relationship it will be a year before they realize true rates. Over 25% represent migration from another system to RH -- commitments to migrations of enterprise from other RH users. Retail is at 3.1 million -- Rh Linux 9 Enterprise from 2mil to 9 mil -- 13% growth over 1 year -- OEM helped with consulting and learning services business. Embedded 1.7 mil in revenues -- mostly driven by services. International revenue is up mostly from Japan and N Euro. -- korean market Tim Buckley will address More talk about enterprise subscriptions driving up margins Operating expenses are up -- raises -- commisions and office space in Korea and legal costs. 3.1 mil profit -- currency gains -- because of US dollar vs YEN and Euro. 307mil in liquidity balance -- no long term debt. Said they were confident in growth because of enterprise subscription -- projection for q3 31 - 36 8 - 10 % growth overall. Enterprise projected up 12% in q3. Retail strategy will be more supportive of enterprise (going away (?)) Operaing expenses will go up significantly -- 2.9 for full net income or.02 a share. Subscription volumes projected to increase
Tim Buckley -- enterprise -- partner and channel -- enterprise best bookings ever -- upgrading to enterprise solution multi year -- federal sector and DoD increase significatn contract -- new biz in other agancies -- sales support and consultin -- finaclail sector - new customers - multi year contracts - broad based addoption strategic ini finacila retail manu - semi c telco entertainment -- applicarin vendors like ppl soft proting to klinus -- new pipeline growth -- market broadening. Re-sellers and partners -- extended with IBM x series -- preinstaled and preconfiguired -- higest volume offering -- HP and IBM -- expanding channel -- assist in selling process -- Oracle and BeA promoting RH increase in sales bc of their influence -- sellingmodel from direct to indirect -- repsellers are d
is the ear of congress and our lawmakers using scare tactics and commericals with ben affleck telling people not to pirate -- it's just an excuse to legislate and gain more power by scaring people. I don't belive that file sharing effects peoples pocketbooks as much as they'd like us to belive -- it's about control and power.
Sorry but you are msitaken -- having worked for RH i know from first hand experience that their position is to compete with Sun and to deflect the microsoft issue with the statement "Linux is Server Software" PERIOD.
Social engineering? working on computers assures that I never have any human contact ever again and any chance of social engineering fails miserably! I have to try a new approach yelling into the phone "WHAT'S YOUR PASSWORD!!!!!111!!" is not working as well as it would seems --- *SIGH* alas I an not a suave slashdotter like all of the social engineers out there using up mod points and tackling "Issues"
according to the ads that I watch while collecting unemploymet and eating cheezits -- Devry Institue is the place to become an elite member of the exciting IT industry!!!111!!!
sitting on one of those swiss balls will help with your waist line and posture. situps and pushups on the ball witll make them even more effective. it builds core muscles.
also if you want faster results quit drinking beer.
switch to diet soda and sugar free red bull.
1/2 to 1 hour of cardio a day will also help TONS. keep that heart rate up.
lift weights go for maxing out your muscles not just reps more muscles mean more metabolism.
don't eat junkfood
get one of those surgical tubing dealies -- i stated using them for my back doing Mr Burns style Iroquois Hi-Ya-Yaaas! great for the back.
Join a gym and get a trainer and spend money doing it -- the buyers remorse and guilt for spending $300 on a trainer will get you motivated.
Join the National Guard and go to basic training -- i hear this helps although i have not tried it. but you might get shot at nowadays -- nothing too differnt from going to work in any urban area actually;)
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I totally agree with you. Most govt projects are not going to go anywhere at all. Their reward system is also set up to incentify those who do not take risks. Hence pensions are not risked and career ending moves do not occur.
I recently heard a story about the agent who found the explosive in the trunk of the terrorsist who was trying to bomb LAX in the year 2000. Instead of being rewarded for her vigilance, she was transferred out of the seattle are to east bum hump montana. She had to sell her house else risk being fired and losing her pension and or pay grade.
When I hear about those government agency projects i generally scoff because they are eithe a) vapor ware. or b) collecting dust because they were purchased just to blow a budget.
it was a joke -- laugh :)
this was already done with Win2k3 Datacenter edition vs. Linux.
Win2k3 R0X0red Linux's World!!!11!!!
Gartner ROX!
most wooden delivery of lines.
kind of sad when the best actors in the movie are a cgi and the asthma kid from goonies.
*insert Krusty the clown quote about the academy being out of touch here.
feel free to mod me as a troll or a big meaney or whatever -- I still love you unconditionally
How can we help? Are there ways for Americans to donate machines to the Iraqi people and what types of machines are needed most?
:)
Here in Seattle there are lots of PII's at the Goodwill - great for Linux use
...Open Source.
SLG admins + managers are in it for the pension. Risk usually does not bode well for those who are lookin for security and retirement after 25 yrs of service.
For Newport News this looks like he was able to make a mark for himself and got lucky. Most admins and managers that I talk to do not have this luxury.
To advance and therefor get a bigger pention they need to be able to pass on the torch.. Open source is "too complex" to pass the torch on to risk averse admins and managers.
Finally; 'free' does not look good to those who do not spend their own money (they spend our money). You need to spend budget to get budget.
Personally I think that ease of use and simplicity need to be priority #1 to get Open Source into Government.
Ya know you can get a whole lot of awesome OpenSource tools to work with SFU on Win2k3! http://www.interopsystems.com/tools/warehouse.htm Apache Version 1.3.27 for Interix ftp.interopsystems.com/src/apache/1.3/ binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/apache-1.3.27-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-09-30 This is the popular Apache open source HTTP server. (more)
Apache Version 2.0.44 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/apache/2.0/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/httpd_2.0.44-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-02-16 This is version 2.0 of the Apache open source HTTP server. (more)
autoconf Version 2.56 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/autoconf/
Updated: 2002-11-18 Autoconf is an extensible package of M4 macros that produce shell
scripts to automatically configure software source code packages. Download m4-gnu first. (more)
automake Version 1.7.1 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/automake/
Updated: 2002-11-22 This is Automake, a Makefile generator. It was inspired by the 4.4BSD 'make' and 'include' files, but aims to be portable and to conform to the GNU standards for Makefile variables and targets. (more)
atk Version 1.2.2 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/atk/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/atk-1.2.2-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-02-25 This is the GNOME Accessibility Toolkit and libraries. (more)
awk Version 20021213 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/awk/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/awk-2.12.13-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-01-03 This is awk as described in "The AWK Programming Language", by Al Aho, Brian Kernighan, and Peter Weinberger (Addison-Wesley, 1988). It contains fixes to the version of awk that ships with SFU 3.0. (more)
bash Version 2.05b for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bash/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/bash-2.05.2-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-02-25 This is GNU Bash--the GNU Project's Bourne Again SHell, a complete implementation of the POSIX.2 shell spec, plus many other features. (more)
bdes Version 1.0 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bdes/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/bdes-1.0-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-01-03 BDES is a utility for encrypting and decrypting bytes using the
DES (Data Encryption Standard). (more)
bison Version 1.35 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bison/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/bison-1.875-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-08-01 This is the YACC-compatible parser generator. (more)
bison Version 1.24 for Win32
ftp.interopsystems.com/Win32/bison/
Updated: 2003-1-15 This is a Win32 version of bison (see above). (more)
BSD Pkg Version 1.1 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bsd_pkg/
Updated: 2003-03-26 BSD Pkg is a software packaging tool from the BSD group of Operating Systems. It is divided into utilities for creating, adding, deleting, querying and signing packages. Included is a Tcl/Tk program that provides a graphical interface that is useful once a package is created. (more)
bzip Version 2-1.0.2 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/bzip/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/bzip2-1.0.2-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-08-01 This is bzip2, a block-sorting file compressor. (more)
caesar Version 1.0 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/caesar/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/caesar-1.0-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-01-03 Caesar is a utility for decrypting caesar cyphers (rotations). This is the utility often used to perform "rot13" for newsgroups. (more)
catman Version 1.0 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/catman/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/catman-1.2-bin.tgz
Updated: 2002-08-07 Catman is a script used to translate a large number of raw man pages to their "cat" form so that the Interix 'man' utility will find and output them. (man -k will work too.) (more)
chcase Version 1.0 for Interix
ftp.interopsystems.com/src/chcase/
binary: /pkgs/3.0eng/chcase-1.0-bin.tgz
Updated: 2003-02-11 Chcase was written as a helper utility when dealing with Win32 filenames. By default the utility acts as if the '-l' option has been given. It accepts one filename and converts that name into low
Not a very interesting thread IMHO; I'm sure our readers in upstate NY will agree that Kodak booms and busts more than Boeing.
/.'ers but Photofinishing businesses are still doing quite well.
:))
Better managed and more conservative companies like Fuji (a WalMart partner) will gladly take on their market share.
Interestingly; digital film may play well for technologists like
On a side note if you can handle the smell take a tour of a photofinishing lab! They are a geeks dream! Very Cool! Chemistry, Mechanics and Computing all rolled into one Mad Scientist's Dream Lab!
1)"Free" is not a good motivator - coming in under budget is not a motivator if they want budget they need to spend budget
2) it's too complex for SLG admins, it's not as easy to pass an open source torch on to your new team mate or underling.
what will motivate Open Sopurce Adoption?
those 400k novell seats and their admins that still run win9x and office 97 need an upgrade very badly. If Novell/SUSe and Ximian can pull off a compelling solution then you will see huga adoptions -- not these onsie twosie deals.
Mod me down if you like but this is a strong emerging market.
they often terrorize society with their:
smell
star trek quips
political correctness
self righteous liberalism
spelling and grammar checking
fashion sense
long winded emails regarding IP
perl scripts
wanton use of the words 'crux' and 'core dump'
exploitation of penguins
obscure references to Ford Prefect
the stalking and exploitation of Natalie Portman
RMS and his viral additions of GNU/ to Linux
RMS and his beard
Michael Johnson and his biophobia
beowulf cluster references
soviet russia references
So you want your mailbox qouta expanded?
sure thing
clickety clickety clickety clickety click
there it's contents have now been deleted
plenty of room now
thanks for coming out
Was at the end Szulik was congratulating his team -- i guess he thought the phone was on mute and he said to something to the effect:
"That was great you were fabulous -- If you were a woman I'd kiss you"
then the questions began.
1st questions
"Hi Matt who were you going to kiss there?"
-- No response
you can't make this stuff up folks
I called into this and here are my thoughts and Notes --
.
.02 a share. Subscription volumes projected to increase
In summation: they are growing at about 10% although operating costs are up a little.
From what I heard they are moving to a sales model more like Microsoft's relying more on VAR's than direct selling. Their Enterprise subscriptions seems to be moving well -- mostly driven by VAR's and OEM's and this is the driving foce in RH money today!
Kernel modifications to be released in 2004 will make Linux more accessible to Large Databases -- (where was this in 2001???)
They are branching out successfully in N Europe and Asia
Messy but thorough Notes:
2nd quarter 2004 conference Gabriel Zulik --
Matt SZulik , Kevin Thompson, Tim Buckley, -- press release after market close today -- disclaimer --
Matt Zsulik -- good news - strongest quarter ever revenue 28.8 mil 36% up 10 mil in positive growth -- Global enterprise marketplace -- replacing proprietary UNIX's for Linux -- migrating from client server to internet distributed computing -- Linux pilots -- enterprise Linux 26k in q2 -- increased international investment -- Japan Korea and northern Europe -- pacific rim partnerships -- 3rd party apps RH certification -- network appliance and people soft certified -- BEA will be in also -- embedded RH offering for hardware tools telecom positive for embedded -- Certification RHCE's 10k -- mgmt John Young from HP as VP of marketing -- Large DB's will be accessible with Kernel configs -- more enterprise ready? A shortcoming previously
Kevin Thompson -- milestones -- 1) operating profit of 240k -- operating loss of 1.1 mil in q1 -- 2) Linux enterprise subscriptions 26k up 10% 585$ each sub up 3% 3) revenue is up 200% 4) subscription renewals up 90% 4) revenue in general is up 20% 5) 3.3 mil up 120% in net income.18.5 mil in subscriptions -- mostly in enterprise 10.3 mil in services -- mostly in enterprise a little in embedded Q2 strong growth increased by enterprise subscriptions Renewal rate is healty at 90% for enterprise subscriptions -- large customers with direct relationship it will be a year before they realize true rates. Over 25% represent migration from another system to RH -- commitments to migrations of enterprise from other RH users. Retail is at 3.1 million -- Rh Linux 9 Enterprise from 2mil to 9 mil -- 13% growth over 1 year -- OEM helped with consulting and learning services business. Embedded 1.7 mil in revenues -- mostly driven by services. International revenue is up mostly from Japan and N Euro. -- korean market Tim Buckley will address More talk about enterprise subscriptions driving up margins Operating expenses are up -- raises -- commisions and office space in Korea and legal costs. 3.1 mil profit -- currency gains -- because of US dollar vs YEN and Euro. 307mil in liquidity balance -- no long term debt. Said they were confident in growth because of enterprise subscription -- projection for q3 31 - 36 8 - 10 % growth overall. Enterprise projected up 12% in q3. Retail strategy will be more supportive of enterprise (going away (?)) Operaing expenses will go up significantly -- 2.9 for full net income or
Tim Buckley -- enterprise -- partner and channel -- enterprise best bookings ever -- upgrading to enterprise solution multi year -- federal sector and DoD increase significatn contract -- new biz in other agancies -- sales support and consultin -- finaclail sector - new customers - multi year contracts - broad based addoption strategic ini finacila retail manu - semi c telco entertainment -- applicarin vendors like ppl soft proting to klinus -- new pipeline growth -- market broadening. Re-sellers and partners -- extended with IBM x series -- preinstaled and preconfiguired -- higest volume offering -- HP and IBM -- expanding channel -- assist in selling process -- Oracle and BeA promoting RH increase in sales bc of their influence -- sellingmodel from direct to indirect -- repsellers are d
You are right but you are wrong -- RH is moving twords the MS model for doing business relying on OEM's and Re-sellers to do the selling for them.
thanks for coming out
outdated designs -- poor QA and reliability -- and a decreasing marketshare -- sounds like Is Linux what ford needs to give themselves and enema?
And yaknow here's a more interesting question: "How long will it take for Ford to move back to Microsoft?"
Linux or No I still won't buy a ford _ever_ again.
is the ear of congress and our lawmakers using scare tactics and commericals with ben affleck telling people not to pirate -- it's just an excuse to legislate and gain more power by scaring people. I don't belive that file sharing effects peoples pocketbooks as much as they'd like us to belive -- it's about control and power.
Sorry but you are msitaken -- having worked for RH i know from first hand experience that their position is to compete with Sun and to deflect the microsoft issue with the statement "Linux is Server Software" PERIOD.
LT Smash Rocks!!
Social engineering? working on computers assures that I never have any human contact ever again and any chance of social engineering fails miserably! I have to try a new approach yelling into the phone "WHAT'S YOUR PASSWORD!!!!!111!!" is not working as well as it would seems --- *SIGH* alas I an not a suave slashdotter like all of the social engineers out there using up mod points and tackling "Issues"
according to the ads that I watch while collecting unemploymet and eating cheezits -- Devry Institue is the place to become an elite member of the exciting IT industry!!!111!!!
where do YOU keep Your extra chromosome?? In your Pocket? Under your Pillow? In your glovebox?
Mr. XYY
what the heck do we pay you for???? ...
... eh heh ...
er i mean
*eeep*
modded down for minty freshness
over stealing music?
:D
Oh wait it's just copyright infringement
score -1 Troll insightful flamebait
sitting on one of those swiss balls will help with your waist line and posture. situps and pushups on the ball witll make them even more effective. it builds core muscles.
;)
also if you want faster results quit drinking beer.
switch to diet soda and sugar free red bull.
1/2 to 1 hour of cardio a day will also help TONS. keep that heart rate up.
lift weights go for maxing out your muscles not just reps more muscles mean more metabolism.
don't eat junkfood
get one of those surgical tubing dealies -- i stated using them for my back doing Mr Burns style Iroquois Hi-Ya-Yaaas! great for the back.
Join a gym and get a trainer and spend money doing it -- the buyers remorse and guilt for spending $300 on a trainer will get you motivated.
Join the National Guard and go to basic training -- i hear this helps although i have not tried it. but you might get shot at nowadays -- nothing too differnt from going to work in any urban area actually
eye l|3k ewe ... ewe are |33t.
a/s/l -- wanna cyber -- wanna cyber??
whoops wrong president!
heh....