And yet, as OP said,/srs/ is still being allowed to continue, despite the organized harassment, doxxing, deaththreats and, worst of all, organized mass-downvoting of anything posted by users deemed "problematic".
Their selective blindness towards harassment completely removes any credibility to their claims that it was because of harassement that pizzagate was banned.
This is not new and was what fueld the flames of Gamergate back in the day where despite any lack of proof people still pretended that they were opposed to it because of "harassment" when only 0.05% of all tweets about it could even remotely be considered agressive (a data scientist apparently did a widescale analysis on it, completely unsurprising he and his website were harassed by the rabid SJW until he went offline)
Until reddit makes up its mind to either get rid of all harassment, regardless of where on the political spectrum it is coming from, or to allow all harassment, they will stay the hypocritical SJW-central that they are now, taken seriously by fewer and fewer people until they too go the way of the dodo.
Wasnt that a feature another messenger had already implemented here in the US? I faintly recall that mentioning the name of the competing product would cause the message to not be sent and some URLs to be rewritten. Unfortunately I cannot remember the name of that messenger. Was it Skype? Whatsapp?
I think Freenet and GnuNet are stillbirth. Even after decade(s) of work they are nowhere near useful. On the other hand IPFS combines the power of cryptography and Key based routing in the form of one huge BitTorrent swarm where every file and node is reachable through their SHA-hashkey. As long as one node (be it PC, server, or handheld) has the file, the file is safe. And since the names of the files are based on cryptographic hashes, it is impossible to replace, lets say myhomepage/index.html with/myhomepage/goatse.html.
Its still in beta, 0.45 IIRC, but already pretty fast.
1. Who could have anticipated the field of web programming in 1800? Thats what I mean by completely new fields. Computers currently are just very, very fast automats. There is simply nothing truely smart about them. The field of strong AI has stagnated ever since ELISA. That computers could someday surpass us is simpy a far away theoretical possibilities, if that. The AI hype machine and actual AI research are two very different things. Humans, and particularly our brain do not stay the same, this is the whole principle behind neuroplasticity. No one has ever come close to the limit of our brains, if such a thing even exists. This is in contrast to the limit of our muscles for example, we know for sure that todays sprinters probably wont get all that much faster in the future because of the physical and biological limitations of our leg muscles. Right now computers do not learn, they recognize patterns, sometimes correctly even.
Your fear of bein rendered obsolete by computers is just as nonsensical as a hypothetical fear of the heat death of the universe, this is what I was trying to say.
"Machines will become better at almost everything" is exactly the faulty linear extrapolation I am criticizing. It is far too general, it does not take into account the passage of time nor the creation of completely new fields that today simply do not exist. By that logic we may all commit suicide since clearly the entropy of the universe will get us all one day, or the heat death, and there is nothing we can do about it.
Historically 90% of the workforce was let go, in farming for example. It used to be that Everyone worked on a farm to not starve, today 2% of the population work there and they produce more than enought for everyone. Do we have 90% unemployment rate because of that?
For the second part: I disagree completely: not only is there a ceaseless, infinite capacity for innovation, but the more innovations already exist, the more likely it will be that some future ones will be built upon those. Take a cliché example to illustrate: A proto farming community. There you can innovate on: The plow, the spearthrower, the mudhut. Anything else simply does not exist yet. Today the secondary connector of the backscreen of my Note 7 has probably more opportunities for imporvement.
That may be true for mentally handicapped people and those truely unwilling to learn at all (tiny minority). However most people are surprisingly flexible, intellectually. Drop a below average kid into a class full of geniuses and they will improve drastically just to keep up. Even if they may not reach "genius level" they will certainly surpass their previous level.
Same applies to grown ups. At first it may be difficult for them to adapt, but most will eventually.
Yes that happens. But so does the reverse. Recently Mercedes (or was it Audi) fired their robots because for many jobs, people are just as fast and much, much more flexible.
It sounds as if those 3,5 million jobs will dissapear tomorrow. They wont. 1. Autonomous vehicles are nowhere near where they need to be to be able to work in 99.998% of all situations. Sure they may work great on highways (most of the time) but try to get them to navigate those tiny streets in and old city with mixed vehicle and pedestrian traffic. Thats going to be fun 2. People leave the business all the time, this applies to transportation business too. Some truck drivers will die, others retire others will move to other businesses. New people will chose Truck driving as an occupation less often than before. By the time autonomous vehicles are actually useable the transition will probably be completed.
No we are not! "Zomfg, AI is here, Singularity tomorrow!!!11" is another of my pet pevees. Just because we throw some neuronal nets at a certain problem and get the right result in some cases does not mean that we are anywhere near finding a general purpose AI, especially since this is not even the goal of AI research.
To get AI we first need to understand NI, ask your neuroscientist how this is going. Spoiler: not very well. While we have some understanding about how a brain works, we really only understand the absolute basics and not even that well.
Currently "AI" can more or less recognize sometimes people on a photo without misclassifying them as gorillas if they are black too often. (No seriously there was a huge scandal when googles photo recognition software did that some time ago). Everything above that is just marketing bullshit to fool potential clients and investors.
Finally an article that goes against the nonstop doom and gloom tone of seemingly every single report on automation. Its as if no one had learned anything from the past revolutions and evolutions in the industry in general. Apparently people still think its a good idea to just linearly extrapolate from out current postion into the future without considering that maybe technology evolves into new branches, not just faster, harder, better.
No, I do not believe that every single person who will loose their jobs to robots will (immediately) find a new, equal or better job. But predicting that we will be seeing 95% unemployment in the future is just plain silly.
Looks like the communist came up with a new weapon: A rapid-fire footgun.
Lets compare both countries and the effect this trade war may have:
At stake for the USA: the low prices of electronic gadgets. Yeah Im sure there will be gallons of hipster tears if the Macs get higher prices At stake for China: Absolutely everything! No more sales to the US (you dont actually believe that the US will not retaliate if the communists try something funny?), means that suddenly they have millions and millions of unemployed people. People who tend to riot. In fact with anything less than a double-digit growth per year China is already struggling to place all the university graduates into the workforce, not to mention the uneducated country side population migrating after the simple manufacturing jobs. Right now this growth is at 6.5%. And their idea of replacing US made goods with European ones is just brilliant. As if most of the NATO states would not follow the same sanctions the US imposes... Just like theiy did with Iran.
So now we have China in deep shit, and the US or rather the US companies have every reason to get back manufacturing to the US, probably helped by subsidisies from senators beating each other up to get the factories built in their state to claim the job growth for their reelection. Now some may believe that the USA has no manufacturing capacities anymore, this is plain and simple wrong. It is still number 3 worldwide in gross manufacturing capacity. Even if the specific plants to build electronic gadgets may not exist anymore, they can be quickly rebuilt or refurbished.
I bet that in 3 years tops, assuming the right conditions, 80% of the manufactuing jobs are back in the USA and probably permanently too. This is a situation that would fuck China harder than if the Opium wars were fought by imperial Japanese soldiers.
If I recall correctly most fake news were against Trump, not against Hillary. I am more surprised that despite the many word twists, omissions of context and outright lies about Trump he still managed to win. Do not mistake me for pro Trump please, I think he is an idiot who is not half as smart as he thinks he is (especially that wall idea is silly), but that does not justify making stuff up about him, such as the 3 (or more) allegations about rape, out of which none proved to be true. Or the twisting of his word which made him look as if he was against all Mexicans instead of only the illegal ones.
All of that was repeated over and over on the MSM and of course on Facebook too. Thats on top of the blatant manipulations of the newsfeed by Facebook editors in favor of the democrats.
You sound like you take the statements from corporations as the word of God. Did you ever think that maybe, perhaps, occasionally the corporations may bend the truth, occasionally even break it to justify their obscene profits? Yes, Apple would be less profitable than now if they had to either bring back manufacturing to the US or face tarifs. Considerhing however that their gross margins is something around 30-60% and that other branches of the industry with way less profit are still alive and kicking (I believe the average gross margin for food wholesalers is around 1-3% and I do not see any lack of fruits in supermarkets), I am perfectly sure that this whole "US is too expensive to manufacture in" is just a plain old lie.
Besides particularly for Apple, they could pick up dust from the ground of Cupertino and sell it as magicall Steve-Dust for 500 a bottle and the fanboys would still buy it.
Additionally, as others down the thread have already pointed out, US manufacturing is far, far from gone. The USA is - manufacturing wise- a sleeping giant right now. It can, thanks to high tech and automatation easily outproduce the whole world. China included. This is not an issue of possible or not, but of willing or not.
Lastly, tarifst work both ways: If Apple is forced to take back their manufacturing to the US soil, nothing prevents other manufacturers who do not do that to be slapped with hefty fines and tariffs too. Particularly the chinese ones. This would definitely equalize the playing field.
No winters since decades?? I guess I must have imagined a ton of snowstorms, blizzards and even resulting widescale losses of electricity in the last couple of years. Maybe you live in an equatorial country, not that I am judging...
No, according to scientists (and not the climate change denying kind) the climate change will make an impact in the future if it continues like that. So far what we have seen (I assume you mean Hurricanes and Typhoons) is still well within the expected margin of error for perfectly normal weather. Everything else is nonsense by fearmongers.
We have currently had an increase between 1-2.5C per century. Your numbers are comically overblown.
And no, mankind will not go extinct, on the contrary, many places now too cold for farming will become better suited to it, even if we were talking about thos outlandish numbers you quoted.
Back when earth was hotter there were still plenty of mamals that thrived, thus there will be no trouble for humans after a short adaption period.
Of course this is a terrible bug for most. On the other hand it would be awesome if one could incorporate this attack into an app that roots the device without needing to connect it to a PC first.
Except that those devices provided a tangible and immediate advantage of not poisoning the area around them. C02 by comparison is harmless, beneficial for vegetation even. Sure there is the offhand chance that in several centuries (and not decades as the fearmongers would like you to believe) the earth will be significantly hotter than today. So what? While I am not denying that humans are most likely responsible for it, I deny that this is something world-endingly bad. In fact historically the earth had been far, far hotter than today, with no particular drawbacks for its inhabitants at that time.
Looks like some have not realized that overpromising is not a good way to get funding and trust in the long term. I guess they are not happy with a second AI winter anymore, they are going for a fully fledged AI-iceage.
Together with the start-up funding bubble that will probably burst (or at least violently deflate) in the future, I predict a double-whammy that will keep people (and particularly money) out of IT and AI in particular for decades to come.
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In the name of diversity he should evolve into a girl.
Also he should change his name into Giana.
And get a sister.
And yet, as OP said, /srs/ is still being allowed to continue, despite the organized harassment, doxxing, deaththreats and, worst of all, organized mass-downvoting of anything posted by users deemed "problematic".
Their selective blindness towards harassment completely removes any credibility to their claims that it was because of harassement that pizzagate was banned.
This is not new and was what fueld the flames of Gamergate back in the day where despite any lack of proof people still pretended that they were opposed to it because of "harassment" when only 0.05% of all tweets about it could even remotely be considered agressive (a data scientist apparently did a widescale analysis on it, completely unsurprising he and his website were harassed by the rabid SJW until he went offline)
Until reddit makes up its mind to either get rid of all harassment, regardless of where on the political spectrum it is coming from, or to allow all harassment, they will stay the hypocritical SJW-central that they are now, taken seriously by fewer and fewer people until they too go the way of the dodo.
Wasnt that a feature another messenger had already implemented here in the US?
I faintly recall that mentioning the name of the competing product would cause the message to not be sent and some URLs to be rewritten.
Unfortunately I cannot remember the name of that messenger. Was it Skype? Whatsapp?
I think Freenet and GnuNet are stillbirth. Even after decade(s) of work they are nowhere near useful. /myhomepage/goatse.html.
On the other hand IPFS combines the power of cryptography and Key based routing in the form of one huge BitTorrent swarm where every file and node is reachable through their SHA-hashkey.
As long as one node (be it PC, server, or handheld) has the file, the file is safe.
And since the names of the files are based on cryptographic hashes, it is impossible to replace, lets say myhomepage/index.html with
Its still in beta, 0.45 IIRC, but already pretty fast.
1. Who could have anticipated the field of web programming in 1800? Thats what I mean by completely new fields.
Computers currently are just very, very fast automats. There is simply nothing truely smart about them. The field of strong AI has stagnated ever since ELISA. That computers could someday surpass us is simpy a far away theoretical possibilities, if that. The AI hype machine and actual AI research are two very different things.
Humans, and particularly our brain do not stay the same, this is the whole principle behind neuroplasticity. No one has ever come close to the limit of our brains, if such a thing even exists. This is in contrast to the limit of our muscles for example, we know for sure that todays sprinters probably wont get all that much faster in the future because of the physical and biological limitations of our leg muscles.
Right now computers do not learn, they recognize patterns, sometimes correctly even.
Your fear of bein rendered obsolete by computers is just as nonsensical as a hypothetical fear of the heat death of the universe, this is what I was trying to say.
"Machines will become better at almost everything" is exactly the faulty linear extrapolation I am criticizing.
It is far too general, it does not take into account the passage of time nor the creation of completely new fields that today simply do not exist.
By that logic we may all commit suicide since clearly the entropy of the universe will get us all one day, or the heat death, and there is nothing we can do about it.
Historically 90% of the workforce was let go, in farming for example. It used to be that Everyone worked on a farm to not starve, today 2% of the population work there and they produce more than enought for everyone. Do we have 90% unemployment rate because of that?
For the second part: I disagree completely: not only is there a ceaseless, infinite capacity for innovation, but the more innovations already exist, the more likely it will be that some future ones will be built upon those.
Take a cliché example to illustrate: A proto farming community. There you can innovate on: The plow, the spearthrower, the mudhut. Anything else simply does not exist yet. Today the secondary connector of the backscreen of my Note 7 has probably more opportunities for imporvement.
That may be, nonetheless it happens so often overall that it is a well researched phenomenon in academic studies on that subject.
That may be true for mentally handicapped people and those truely unwilling to learn at all (tiny minority).
However most people are surprisingly flexible, intellectually. Drop a below average kid into a class full of geniuses and they will improve drastically just to keep up. Even if they may not reach "genius level" they will certainly surpass their previous level.
Same applies to grown ups. At first it may be difficult for them to adapt, but most will eventually.
Yes that happens.
But so does the reverse.
Recently Mercedes (or was it Audi) fired their robots because for many jobs, people are just as fast and much, much more flexible.
It sounds as if those 3,5 million jobs will dissapear tomorrow. They wont.
1. Autonomous vehicles are nowhere near where they need to be to be able to work in 99.998% of all situations. Sure they may work great on highways (most of the time) but try to get them to navigate those tiny streets in and old city with mixed vehicle and pedestrian traffic. Thats going to be fun
2. People leave the business all the time, this applies to transportation business too. Some truck drivers will die, others retire others will move to other businesses. New people will chose Truck driving as an occupation less often than before. By the time autonomous vehicles are actually useable the transition will probably be completed.
No we are not!
"Zomfg, AI is here, Singularity tomorrow!!!11" is another of my pet pevees.
Just because we throw some neuronal nets at a certain problem and get the right result in some cases does not mean that we are anywhere near finding a general purpose AI, especially since this is not even the goal of AI research.
To get AI we first need to understand NI, ask your neuroscientist how this is going. Spoiler: not very well. While we have some understanding about how a brain works, we really only understand the absolute basics and not even that well.
Currently "AI" can more or less recognize sometimes people on a photo without misclassifying them as gorillas if they are black too often. (No seriously there was a huge scandal when googles photo recognition software did that some time ago).
Everything above that is just marketing bullshit to fool potential clients and investors.
Finally an article that goes against the nonstop doom and gloom tone of seemingly every single report on automation.
Its as if no one had learned anything from the past revolutions and evolutions in the industry in general.
Apparently people still think its a good idea to just linearly extrapolate from out current postion into the future without considering that maybe technology evolves into new branches, not just faster, harder, better.
No, I do not believe that every single person who will loose their jobs to robots will (immediately) find a new, equal or better job. But predicting that we will be seeing 95% unemployment in the future is just plain silly.
Looks like the communist came up with a new weapon: A rapid-fire footgun.
Lets compare both countries and the effect this trade war may have:
At stake for the USA: the low prices of electronic gadgets. Yeah Im sure there will be gallons of hipster tears if the Macs get higher prices
At stake for China: Absolutely everything! No more sales to the US (you dont actually believe that the US will not retaliate if the communists try something funny?), means that suddenly they have millions and millions of unemployed people. People who tend to riot. In fact with anything less than a double-digit growth per year China is already struggling to place all the university graduates into the workforce, not to mention the uneducated country side population migrating after the simple manufacturing jobs. Right now this growth is at 6.5%. And their idea of replacing US made goods with European ones is just brilliant. As if most of the NATO states would not follow the same sanctions the US imposes... Just like theiy did with Iran.
So now we have China in deep shit, and the US or rather the US companies have every reason to get back manufacturing to the US, probably helped by subsidisies from senators beating each other up to get the factories built in their state to claim the job growth for their reelection.
Now some may believe that the USA has no manufacturing capacities anymore, this is plain and simple wrong. It is still number 3 worldwide in gross manufacturing capacity. Even if the specific plants to build electronic gadgets may not exist anymore, they can be quickly rebuilt or refurbished.
I bet that in 3 years tops, assuming the right conditions, 80% of the manufactuing jobs are back in the USA and probably permanently too.
This is a situation that would fuck China harder than if the Opium wars were fought by imperial Japanese soldiers.
If I recall correctly most fake news were against Trump, not against Hillary.
I am more surprised that despite the many word twists, omissions of context and outright lies about Trump he still managed to win.
Do not mistake me for pro Trump please, I think he is an idiot who is not half as smart as he thinks he is (especially that wall idea is silly), but that does not justify making stuff up about him, such as the 3 (or more) allegations about rape, out of which none proved to be true.
Or the twisting of his word which made him look as if he was against all Mexicans instead of only the illegal ones.
All of that was repeated over and over on the MSM and of course on Facebook too. Thats on top of the blatant manipulations of the newsfeed by Facebook editors in favor of the democrats.
You sound like you take the statements from corporations as the word of God.
Did you ever think that maybe, perhaps, occasionally the corporations may bend the truth, occasionally even break it to justify their obscene profits?
Yes, Apple would be less profitable than now if they had to either bring back manufacturing to the US or face tarifs.
Considerhing however that their gross margins is something around 30-60% and that other branches of the industry with way less profit are still alive and kicking (I believe the average gross margin for food wholesalers is around 1-3% and I do not see any lack of fruits in supermarkets), I am perfectly sure that this whole "US is too expensive to manufacture in" is just a plain old lie.
Besides particularly for Apple, they could pick up dust from the ground of Cupertino and sell it as magicall Steve-Dust for 500 a bottle and the fanboys would still buy it.
Additionally, as others down the thread have already pointed out, US manufacturing is far, far from gone. The USA is - manufacturing wise- a sleeping giant right now. It can, thanks to high tech and automatation easily outproduce the whole world. China included. This is not an issue of possible or not, but of willing or not.
Lastly, tarifst work both ways: If Apple is forced to take back their manufacturing to the US soil, nothing prevents other manufacturers who do not do that to be slapped with hefty fines and tariffs too. Particularly the chinese ones. This would definitely equalize the playing field.
No winters since decades??
I guess I must have imagined a ton of snowstorms, blizzards and even resulting widescale losses of electricity in the last couple of years.
Maybe you live in an equatorial country, not that I am judging...
Mod him up please.
I almost considered to RTFM.
Thanks to him I was saved.
No, according to scientists (and not the climate change denying kind) the climate change will make an impact in the future if it continues like that.
So far what we have seen (I assume you mean Hurricanes and Typhoons) is still well within the expected margin of error for perfectly normal weather.
Everything else is nonsense by fearmongers.
We have currently had an increase between 1-2.5C per century. Your numbers are comically overblown.
And no, mankind will not go extinct, on the contrary, many places now too cold for farming will become better suited to it, even if we were talking about thos outlandish numbers you quoted.
Back when earth was hotter there were still plenty of mamals that thrived, thus there will be no trouble for humans after a short adaption period.
Of course this is a terrible bug for most.
On the other hand it would be awesome if one could incorporate this attack into an app that roots the device without needing to connect it to a PC first.
Except that those devices provided a tangible and immediate advantage of not poisoning the area around them.
C02 by comparison is harmless, beneficial for vegetation even.
Sure there is the offhand chance that in several centuries (and not decades as the fearmongers would like you to believe) the earth will be significantly hotter than today. So what?
While I am not denying that humans are most likely responsible for it, I deny that this is something world-endingly bad. In fact historically the earth had been far, far hotter than today, with no particular drawbacks for its inhabitants at that time.
Too bad that that actor was sponsored by the same state that gave him protection.
Just shows how deep corruption and collusion runs internationally.
Looks like some have not realized that overpromising is not a good way to get funding and trust in the long term.
I guess they are not happy with a second AI winter anymore, they are going for a fully fledged AI-iceage.
Together with the start-up funding bubble that will probably burst (or at least violently deflate) in the future, I predict a double-whammy that will keep people (and particularly money) out of IT and AI in particular for decades to come.
Startup bubble is not merely naysaying:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
Yes, in particular those from the secret chatrooms (well, the password-protected chatrooms) the gamesjournos used to coordinate their attacks.