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White House: AI Holds the Potential To Be a Major Driver of Economic Growth and Social Progress (venturebeat.com)
A day after the Obama administration outlined its vision and plans to send people to Mars by 2030s, it has now concluded the potential impact of artificial intelligence (AI) on economic growth, transportation, the environment, and criminal justice. "The Administration believes that it is critical that industry, civil society, and government work together to develop the positive aspects of the technology, manage its risks and challenges, and ensure that everyone has the opportunity to help in building an A.I.-enhanced society and to participate in its benefits." VentureBeat adds: The report, dubbed "Preparing for the future of Artificial Intelligence," highlights a number of areas of both opportunity and concern when it comes to A.I. These include:
- The need to adjust regulatory procedures to account for A.I.
- Better coordination and funding of government-led A.I. research initiatives.
- Further study and monitoring of the economic impact of A.I. on jobs.
- "Ethical training" of people in A.I. fields, particularly as the technology is used to control more real-world objects that could lead to concerns about safety and security.
- Creating a clear U.S. policy regarding the development and use of "Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems."
- The need to adjust regulatory procedures to account for A.I.
- Better coordination and funding of government-led A.I. research initiatives.
- Further study and monitoring of the economic impact of A.I. on jobs.
- "Ethical training" of people in A.I. fields, particularly as the technology is used to control more real-world objects that could lead to concerns about safety and security.
- Creating a clear U.S. policy regarding the development and use of "Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems."
>> Dear government, I would like to [exercise my right or receive a benefit]
COM-PU-TER SAYS "NO"
The "AI" commands us to do horrible act X. And so it shall be.
I cant even get Alexa to play half my music on command since if there's one weird word in the album/song title its just useless.
AI is dumb as a door right now.
With 'Mission to Mars' and 'AI Singularity' covered, can't be long till there's a mention of a 'US fusion reactor by 20XX' now.
"I bless every day that I continue to live, for every day is pure profit."
...I am from the Gubment, and I'm here to help.
By definition AI does ethnic profiling.
Looks like some have not realized that overpromising is not a good way to get funding and trust in the long term.
I guess they are not happy with a second AI winter anymore, they are going for a fully fledged AI-iceage.
Together with the start-up funding bubble that will probably burst (or at least violently deflate) in the future, I predict a double-whammy that will keep people (and particularly money) out of IT and AI in particular for decades to come.
Startup bubble is not merely naysaying:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
The benefits of that economic growth will almost exclusively go to billionaires who contribute to to their campaigns and foundations. So, yeah, they're pretty happy about it.
We would probably be better off if we replaced POTUS and Congress with AI but as far as an industry goes I doubt it will do much for workers in the US. Most professional code is being copy/pasted by outsourced labor or visa maggots so no new jobs for US citizens. What could be worse is that if successful the AI would certainly be taking over jobs in the US.
Sure. Why not.
NO!
"Social progress" has become nothing more than a competition to claim the largest share of victimhood while calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a "hater".
And then doing every damn thing you can to silence those "haters".
- "Ethical training" of people in A.I. fields, particularly as the technology is used to control more real-world objects that could lead to concerns about safety and security.
Doctors & lawyers receive ethical training, yet we still have a lot of unethical doctors & lawyers. If we created a "sentient" A.I., what's to say that it wouldn't find some way to get around its ethical programming by the people ethically trained to create it? Don't forget about Microsoft's recent venture.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
We can all roll around in our easy chairs with a screen. It will be glorious!
"Social progress" is a code word for piping as much money as possible through the government (making it available for the taking by the ruling class) while simultaneously making most of the country dependent on government handouts (making the ruling class permanent). I've got to give it to them, it's a devious, highly cynical strategy that seems to be working so far.
What is "AI" but a computer aided veneer on rule by unelected, and frequently incompetent technocrats?
Are we seriously expected to believe that software and algorithms will really make the big decisions, even when those decisions are not in the interests of the decision makers? Dream on.
All this means is that the flawed and politically motivated models of economists, sociologists, corporate executives, politicans and stakeholders of all sorts. Numerology and sham given a digital makeover to placate a cynical and disgruntled public. The show will foll many for long.
There is no "Artificial Intelligence". There is only the technologically enabled anti-intellectual intelligence of the technocratic class and it's oligarchical paymasters. Computers change nothing of the basic human vices at play here.
- Further study and monitoring of the economic impact of A.I. on jobs.
I really doubt the government will have the best interest of all people, so long as the wealthy donors benefit... it's working.
- Creating a clear U.S. policy regarding the development and use of "Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems."
"It was justified based on the algorithms determination that this was a credible threat, despite the fact it was an elementary school. The regulatory AI agrees."
And put it the fuck in charge. One AI = one grownup on planet Earth.
We'll be dead before we can do that, of course.
It isn't even a net loss if it fucking Skynets us, we're going to fucking do that ourselves anyway.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Politicians and wonks aren't referring specifically to the Turing definition of Artificial Intelligence. To them, and to much of the public, AI encompasses everything from HAL-like sentience that may take decades to appear, (or might be just around the corner, depending on which pundit you listen to), down to Siri, factory automation, and self-driving cars. And when these more mundane things are included in "AI", then preparing for the economic, social, psychological, and ethical fallout coming in the near future might be a pretty good idea.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Of course, I think it provides far MORE potential for pernicious harm and ruin.
The bad guys are far more numerous, and have better incentives, than the good guys, in terms of the Wild West of cyberwarfare. At the moment, the initiative belongs to the attacker.
Furthermore, we have a society WEDDED to the idea that every flippin' power station, every traffic light, every car, even the bloody coffeemakers "should" be connected to the web. The overwhelming bulk of these are woefully un- or under-protected, and everyday security rests primarily in obscurity. "There's just too many juicy things to attack, I hope I'm too insignificant to bother with..."
Multiply this to the exponential power of AI? I'm not super-optimistic at the result.
Look, there's a large segment of people are (apparently) too stupid generally to avoid "don't open the fucking executable attached to the email some random person just sent you". I can't *imagine* how much harm will result from an AI-derived attack vector that can more or less infinitely evolve and replicate.
-Styopa
Ed Dillinger: What do you want with the Pentagon?
Master Control Program: The same thing I want with the Kremlin. I'm bored with corporations. With the information I can access, I can run things 900 to 1200 times better than any human.
Ed Dillinger: If you think you're superior to us...
Master Control Program: You wouldn't want me to dig up Flynn's file and read it up on a VDT at the Times, would you?
I'm not sure that AI has to be self-aware, but if it does... It could get ugly quick. And it wouldn't be just blackmail over video game development...
Why would it be any different than with e.g. a robot that replaces workers. If you have 10 people working at 40 hours, replacing 5 workers by a machines does not mean that they now work each 20 hours at the same pay (minus the cost of the machine). It means that they fire 8 people and let the rest work for the same amount for 80 hours. The extra money is for the stockholders and as bonus for the CEO when the company goes under. (Oh, you thought it was to reduce the price? It won't)
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
So it's communism, redistribution, central planning... ?
I'm going to laugh my ass off when so-called 'AI', and so-called 'self-driving cars' are discovered to be dead-end technologies, doing more harm than good, and everyone will have wasted trillions of dollars and billions of man-hours on it all. Don't you people see? These things are going to make us fatter, lazier, dumber, and add layers of complexity to life, not 'enhance' anything for anyone, except maybe the 1% who control 99% of the world's wealth, who just want compliant machines that don't question anything, don't need to be paid, don't have or need 'rights', and don't need to eat or rest or sleep. They'd just as soon 'obsolete' 99% of the humans on this planet as 'bad for profits' and 'too high-maintenance'.
Are they talking about Al Gore? He did invent the internet, which has been a major economic driver.
1. Spy on the citizenry.
2. Manufacture criminals from law-abiding citizens.
Welcome to the USSA (United Socialist States of America).
Our education system is currently setup for skills needed for factory working, and humdrum office jobs and research. These are the things AI can replace. Our education system will need to be revamped for more creativity, and adaptive thinking, and problem solving jobs.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Obama to NBC News June 2011: "There are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers. You see it when you go to a bank and you use an ATM, you don't go to a bank teller, or you go to the airport and you're using a kiosk instead of checking in at the gate."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-75KJkJiVRo
Why is this in quotes? By "ethics training" you mean..."take over the world"?
Tweet, tweet, all id10t's out of the gene pool, open swim is over.
Creating a clear U.S. policy regarding the development and use of "Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems."
I can help you with that:
"Don't build them, don't buy them, don't sell them, don't use them."
There you are. I waive my consultant fee for this one.
The government talks about the need to retrain displaced workers for more skilled jobs that are complementary to AI.
I'm pretty sure that's wishful thinking this time around.
This time around, the automation is going to be better than you and me at many if not most aspects of many of our jobs.
I would summarize the optimistic tone of this report this way:
"You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!"
The truth is that the key political and societal challenges of the coming AI age will be:
1. Politically and socially accepted redistribution of wealth to allow participation in more than the black market economy by the half of us that are going to be permanently out of a job.
2. Figuring out what the hell to replace the now pretty much useless "work ethic" that gives us our sense of worth with.
This government report is a start, but it heavily sugar coats the bitter pill we have to swallow soon. (And I don't want to suggest that actually swallowing a bitter pill is the solution. What IS the solution to the real problem coming up: Massive unemployment. ???)
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
get into a nice club fed before all the jobs are replaced by ai and you can't even get medcade as you are to old or don't have a kids
Way worse. The redistribution through taxes is minimal. The only part we SEE is the tax money. Most of that is redistributed. What we don't see is the effective cost of living increases because half of what we buy is given protection from competition by the government. Start with housing costs, internet, utilities, food, banking, cell service, etc. The profit from this go directly to the politicians, and shareholders of companies (some are common folk), company executives, lawyers, lobbyists, etc.
Everyone loves to say we are "controlled by corporations" but they never stop to think about what ENABLES that control. The answer is a big government. Bigger government = bigger corporations with more control.
With all the benefits[1] and problems[2] that the last "AI Summer" had back in the 80's.
[1] Funding.
[2] The crash that's going to come after all the over hyped prospects fail to pan out.
I fear Watson is nothing more than Eliza with a ginormous database to draw upon and neural networks are still just ginormous hash functions. But what I fear most is the ideological belief in central planning and that it actually works.
AI will help identify where the people who hold counter revolutionary views are, so they can be taxed differently.
Currently it takes a lot of manual effort from the IRS to pin this down, and other departments have to ask them about it. This is also a nuisance since it is technically against the law. AI will just make it that much more efficient.
Once the public warms up to reeducation (or even maybe calling it that openly) we can close the loop.
It's becoming possible to create software/datastores that learn patterns, concepts, significant clusters, concepts that the maker of the software did NOT put into the thing, and DID NOT KNOW that the system would come up with.
The holy grail of AI research is GENERAL AI. One version of that means you could start with a tabula rasa and let it learn and direct its own learning.
This is a new kind of brain, a new kind of mind I would even say.
You can't accuse it of just inheriting its makers' biases. There's a fundamental layer separation between what the thing learns, thinks about, and concludes, and how it was built by its engineers. The people in this loop just build the plumbing/wiring of the brain/mind. What the brain/mind does with that will eventually be up to its history of experience. It may be told to formulate and then enact goals, but the more advanced this technology gets, the more the input programming will be no more specific than just
-"learn" (from Internet's content and input sensors),
-"conceptualize (efficiently organize) what you are learning",
-"form goals",
-"try to enact them".
-"correct as you go - including self-directed goal-directed learning"
- "reflect",
-"repeat".
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
As a young AI researcher, Id far rather assist China with a malevolent AI than assist the US to further their enslavement of the world.
Expected Rush response: "See, he wants to automate his mass gun grabbing!"
Table-ized A.I.
So, is Congress and the President being replaced by AI? That may, indeed, have the effect of economic growth and social progress.
How about we try using AI to replace politicians first? If that works out, we can move on to the other stuff.
Pull the other leg, it has bells on.
This could potentially be a dangerous precedent, if they "train" the "AI" to learn a bunch of things wrong, then encourage humans to learn from "AI"
While life becomes more and more like a game of Paranoia
I think there are lots of projects and products that throw around the AI word. But in reality they are merely fancy decision trees and look ups. Think of how the computer in STNG is portrayed.
I don't know what the expert's define AI as, but to mean it would mean being creative and original, not just following some predetermined or even meta-chain of decisions to arrive at a predefined solution.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Issues not covered include the scale of displacement, mass unemployment and pressure on welfare services. In the 1950s, one mainframe put 3,000 people out of work. In 2030, 10 software engineers/programmers will replace 500,000 taxi/truck/bus drivers. Only half of those people will be able to go to university and learn IS/IT/AI/robotics but they won't be needed.
AI is 100% of the best thing that could ever happen in this world. But the transition will cause a lot of misery without government and society getting certain concepts and rejecting many belief systems now held too firmly. for example the concept of working for a living is really about to vanish. Major trades are about to vanish and we are only at the beginning of what is about to take place. Yet just about nobody is doing a thing to make the transition easy and comfortable for the masses. Right now some tractors work the fields without human operators. How long before the farmer, himself, is no longer needed?
Exactly my thought. You can bet as soon as government jobs start to look replaceable, the Governments position on AI will suddenly change to outright hostile.
Especially if it looks like AI would do a better job (which is inevitable simply if it is designed to do whats best for the people rather than be corrupt).
Just as in pharmaceutics, where most of the research comes from public grants and then successful drug research is taken over by private industry, AI and robotics has been largely developed with government grants funded by the tax payer.
The same thing also happened with space exploration. Most of the research and development came from the general public. I will say that the major reason that the US went to the moon was to explore its mineral content. This was outright stated by the astronauts, as they got the equivalent of a M. Sc. in geology. Had there been sufficient supply of exotic minerals, the industry would have been taken over by private forces. It just that the tax payer had to front the initial investment. Worse, maybe we'd find out that the distribution of resources was such that there was not much worth pursuing on the moon. Well, you would not want companies to take that sort of loss would you.
So, most of us paid to develop AI, so that it could be used by corporations to make a bigger profit, and we can go pay the bill.
AI has been the next big thing around the corner for fifty years. I would not be surprised if, in fifty years, it still thing the next big thing around the corner.
Gist is....I want to sit on a few company boards after I leave office and lobby for Google. Here's my lobby pitch in advance. We've got lots of problems. I even created a few of my own, so I know the right people. If you are a prospective employer, let me know ASAP if you have any corrections you would like to make, so we have plenty of runway.