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Ecuador Acknowledges Limiting Julian Assange's Web Access (reuters.com)

Alexandra Valencia, reporting for Reuters: Ecuador's government acknowledged on Tuesday it had partly restricted internet access for Julian Assange, the founder of anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks who has lived in the South American country's London embassy since mid-2012. WikiLeaks said Assange lost connectivity on Sunday, sparking speculation Ecuador might have been pressured by the United States due to the group's publication of hacked material linked to U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. In a statement, Ecuador's leftist government said WikiLeaks' decision to publish documents impacting the U.S. election campaign was entirely its own responsibility, and the South American country did not cede to pressure from other nations. "In that respect, Ecuador, exercising its sovereign right, has temporarily restricted access to part of its communications systems in its UK Embassy," it added in a statement. "The Ecuador government respects the principle of non-intervention in other countries' affairs, it does not meddle in election processes underway, nor does it support any candidate specially."

412 comments

  1. Curses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Assange should have signed up for the unlimited plan.

    1. Re:Curses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And paid the monthly bill on time.

    2. Re:Curses! by omnichad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's still unlimited. Just throttled to 0 Kbps.

    3. Re:Curses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you mean one of those "Unlimited" plans that throttle you beyond usefulness after you go over a limit?

    4. Re:Curses! by michelcolman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder how this is going to stop him, though. Do they really think he doesn't have a backup plan? Do they think he has all the wikileaks information on his personal laptop in the embassy without anyone else outside able to access it?

      I bet he has plenty of friends with access to the Wikileaks servers who can bring out the information on a prearranged schedule even if they made him disappear from the planet entirely. I can't possibly imagine him being that stupid.

    5. Re:Curses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wonder how this is going to stop him, though. Do they really think he doesn't have a backup plan? Do they think he has all the wikileaks information on his personal laptop in the embassy without anyone else outside able to access it?

      The point isn't for Ecuador to "stop him," the point is for Ecuador to "stop Assange from doing what he's doing using ECUADOR's networks and utilities."

      In much the same way, I put some parental filters on the internet access available to my "guest" network at home - sure, my guests are welcome to use it for google searches, and things like that, but I'm not willing to provide them access to xHamster and gambling sites so they can rub one out and place bets on my dime. If my guests want to use those sites, they're absolutely welcome to do so - in their own homes, on their own networks, or on other networks which don't impose the particular rules I choose to impose.

      There's a difference.

    6. Re:Curses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange should have signed up for the unlimited plan.

      Now Ecuador has to start a Kickstart campaign to buy more bandwidth for their country.

  2. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Link please.

  3. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Link?

  4. Uneducated voters, yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the educated voters vote for... Trump?

    1. Re:Uneducated voters, yay! by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course. Just compare the way they speak. Trump has far more complex sentence structure than Hillary. That's appealing to educated individuals.

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    2. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a great study out showing that educated voters tend to prefer Hillary (and then Stein and Johnson on the upper end as levels max out).

      The funny thing about the study though is that a plumber running his own business with a dozen employees is "uneducated" while a Ph.D. in Gender Studies working the counter at Panera is "educated".

      YMMV, read the fine print .

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    3. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by keefus_a · · Score: 1

      It is an indivitual bias that equates "educated" to "smart." But one that occurs all too often, for certain.

    4. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      You also have this big shaming and peer pressure campaign. Hysterics are first directed at the candidate and then at anyone that might vote for the candidate.

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    5. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      there seems to be confusion on who are "educated" when it comes polls.

      just 1 example,
      la times tracking poll
      http://graphics.latimes.com/us...

      in its breakdown, "college grad or up" go for clinton >50%, while trump is in 30%s. trump wins other categories of education in that poll.
      but when it comes to income, trump wins "more than $75k"(smaller margin) and "$35-75k"(bigger margin) , while clinton wins "less than $35k"(bigger margin).

      but all studies say income and education is highly correlated in usa.

      so how to explain this anomaly(income and education giving different preferences) in poll( which is similar in other polls that offer breakdowns like that).

      a partial explanation is race. as la times says "clinton holds a distinct edge among lower-income voters, reflecting her strong support among blacks and latinos. " in fact, its blacks who go for clinton 87 to 4.

      but that explains only lower income category.

    6. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an engineering student, I am hoping Trump will win.

    7. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by green1 · · Score: 1

      >

      The funny thing about the study though is that a plumber running his own business with a dozen employees is "uneducated" while a Ph.D. in Gender Studies working the counter at Panera is "educated".

      YMMV, read the fine print .

      And that's completely accurate.
      Someone who has multiple degrees and has never worked in the real world will always be more "educated" and someone who has only a bit of training, but has been wildly successful and has lots of real world knowledge. That's what happens when you use the quantity of education as your differentiator. Now the real question becomes whether "education" is a metric we care about in these studies?

      You could instead look at owners of businesses if that's what you care about, or people who have full time employment earning more than X per year, or in certain fields, or really there's almost an unlimited number of ways you can group people in a poll.

      But to complain that "educated" only covers people with more education is somewhat funny as it is literally the definition of the word.

    8. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 0

      Found the wall contractor. ;-)

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    9. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be quite the honor, but unfortunately I am going into nanotech.

    10. Re:Uneducated voters, yay! by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      If you think his weakness is in his sentence structure then obviously you're not even half aware of what he's doing when he speaks to convince.

      The link you posted, the transcript in that, has a pretty good cut-off and re-phrasing/restart of sentences such that people stay focused, interested, and convinced.

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    11. Re:Uneducated voters, yay! by Rei · · Score: 1

      Are you telling me that you can actually parse that word salad?

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    12. Re:Uneducated voters, yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fact checkers - are we sure this wasn't just a plagiarized Abe Simpson quote?

    13. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      I'm beginning to doubt that simply having a college degree equates with "being educated". I see journalists with college degrees who can't write an article without a misspelled word or bad grammar, teachers who can't teach their subject matter (maybe because they don't know it?), and even some college graduates who can't read above an 8th grade level.

      What passes for "educated" today would have barely been acceptable for a high school diploma a few decades ago. So go ahead and feel smug if you wish; the rest of us know better.

    14. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why we say Hillary when asked, up until it's the ballot box asking.

      I don't know any Trump supporters, except probably 50 or 60 of my closest friends, family members, and co-workers who would never admit it.

    15. Re: Uneducated voters, yay! by green1 · · Score: 1

      Those people are educated, by definition. That doesn't mean that they are smart, or that they can read and write well. It just means they have more education.

      People seem to assume that education equates to all sorts of other things, but it doesn't always. Just because it doesn't equate to all the things people want it to equate to though does not mean that more education does not make one more educated. By definition more education will always make you more educated, even if it doesn't make you smarter, more productive, or better in any other way.

  5. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Link please.

    See you need a link therefor uneducated

  6. Mobile phone access? by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

    There must be more than one pathway to the internet from Ecuador.

    1. Re:Mobile phone access? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Informative

      He isn't in Ecuador, he's in a flat in London - whether the Ecuadorian Embassy allow him an alternative method of access is debatable at this point, they don't have to allow him the use of a mobile phone or his own line (the issue seems to be with with his actions, not with the fact that they are being done over an Ecuadorian-linked internet connection) and they can ask him to leave if he has an issue with that.

    2. Re:Mobile phone access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He isn't in Ecuador. He is in the Ecuador's UK Embassy. It is entirely feasible there is only one pathway to a building in London.

    3. Re:Mobile phone access? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Ecuador cut him off iirc, not the UK. I am not even sure the UK could cut off the embassy without international implications, like water or electricity.

      In any case, Ecuador could use satellite Internet if pushed. But that isn't the issue.

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    4. Re:Mobile phone access? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Legally speaking, he's in Ecuador. Not that it has anything to do with routing the Internet connection.

    5. Re:Mobile phone access? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid not - the whole "embassies are legally the soil of that country" is a myth, he's still in the UK, the embassy merely enjoys particular protections under international law, treaty and convention.

    6. Re:Mobile phone access? by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 3, Informative

      He isn't in Ecuador, he's in a flat in London

      Embassies on foreign soil are considered sovereign territories according to the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Assange may be physically located on UK soil, but as long as Ecuador grants him asylum he is effectively in the domain of Ecuador while inside the Embassy and no arresting party can enter the compound without Ecuador's permission. Once Assange steps outside the embassy property then he is subject to UK authority and can be apprehended.

      In the event of hostilities or soured diplomatic relations, it's a different story.

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    7. Re:Mobile phone access? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not talking about ownership of the dirt. Talking about sovereignty.

    8. Re:Mobile phone access? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      You do realise that that document no where says that an embassy is considered a sovereign territory, right? Article 22 of that document does lay out the protections that the premises secured for the mission enjoys, including against search, entry etc but that document never assigns sovereign territory status to those premises.

      So, the document you refer to does not back your claim - it is still a myth that embassies are sovereign territory.

    9. Re:Mobile phone access? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Yup, see the thread below:

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Embassies have protections under international law, but they are not sovereign territories.

    10. Re:Mobile phone access? by Megol · · Score: 1

      Yes but a diplomatic agreement isn't the same as giving the land to the country that have the embassy. That is a myth.

    11. Re:Mobile phone access? by Megol · · Score: 1

      UK could not as that would be the same as hindering diplomatic communication. And they did not.

    12. Re:Mobile phone access? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the UK, but the US considers them sovereign:

      While diplomatic spaces remain the territory of the host state, an embassy or consulate represents a sovereign state

      -- US Department of State

    13. Re:Mobile phone access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations provides no support for asylum seekers in an embassy. In fact, Article 41 specifically states that the duty of all persons enjoying diplomatic immunities and privileges to respect the laws and regulations of the "receiving" (host) State. And it is also their duty not to interfere in the internal affairs of that State. Clearly, Ecuador has violated the article as they are harboring Assange.

      Their only option for giving Assange further protection is to assign him diplomatic agent status, which they have been loathe to do. And if they tried, the receiving state has the right to declare any member of the staff persona non grata and Ecuador would then have to try to get him out of the country or terminate his employment. (Article 9)

      Article 42 also states that a diplomatic agent shall not practice any commercial or professional activity for profit in the receiving State. If Assange is making any money while harbored, he would be in violation of that Article if he had been appointed as a diplomatic agent.

      There is no provision for allowing asylum seekers to remain in embassies. Nor is there provision for immunity or protection for anyone other than staff, servants, or family members.

      The only protection Assange actually enjoys is the inviolability of the mission. (Article 22)

      Finally, there is no provision in the Convention for the embassy mission to be "sovereign" territory. It's only considered "inviolable" - the receiving state cannot invade it or send in agents (police, LEO's) without consent of the head of mission.

      you can read more here http://www.mfa.gov.tr/data/kutuphane/multilateralconventions/viennaconventionondiplomaticrelations.pdf

    14. Re:Mobile phone access? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      The US is entitled to afford any *additional* rights or benefits to a diplomatic mission on its territory that it wants to, however those considerations do not apply outside their borders.

    15. Re:Mobile phone access? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      So whatever the Vienna Convention says, you really have to find what UK policy is before telling everyone that they're wrong.

    16. Re:Mobile phone access? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      No, I don't - no international treaty affords sovereign territory status to a diplomatic mission. You made an unfounded assumption and was called on it.

      And in case you want it said outright, no the UK doesn't afford diplomatic missions any additional considerations about sovereign territory rights either.

    17. Re:Mobile phone access? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You keep bringing the word "territory" into it and changing the argument. It's British territory by ownership and land. But the jurisdiction inside the embassy is with Ecuador and no one else - and that defines sovereignty fairly completely.

      This is why I said "legally speaking" in the OP, not physically - because the land is not magically changed into Ecuadorian land.

    18. Re:Mobile phone access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you read the document you linked? Where does it say they embassies are sovereign territory? Embassies on foreign soil are considered inviolable, and receive certain immunity, but they do not become the sovereign territory of the mission's country. You are correct when you said Assange is physically located on UK soil, which means that exact soil can't be "sovereign territory" of Ecuador. However because the embassy if inviolable according to the 1961 Convention, UK police can't enter it. That is why Assange is safe so long as he stays in the embassy, not because of some false notion that it is sovereign territory of Ecuador.

    19. Re:Mobile phone access? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Protections under international law, treaty and convention, are merely what can be enforced, should the host country decide to limit them.

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    20. Re:Mobile phone access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    21. Re:Mobile phone access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's true for the embassy grounds, but look up - we're discussing how Assange could get Internet access. While the communication of diplomats is protected, Assange is not a diplomat (nor could he become one - the UK won't recognize him as such, and that's their right). Therefore, the UK has every right to interfere with Assange's communication. Blocking his mobile phone from the UK network because he has withdrawn himself from the English judicial system is even reasonable.

  7. And yet by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Insightful

    preventing the distribution of information relevant to the candidates, Ecuador effectively allows the influence to be heavily one sided.

    Specifically, the side that filters, and releases only approved material in order to promote their candidate.

    The only way we truly know who the candidates are is when we have access to information about how they think and act when they believe no one is looking.

    Everything else, is just for show.

    Personally, I don't care WHO digs up the information. Hackers, Private Investigators, whatever.

    It does boil down to this: If you're going intelligently elect a leader, you need to know all there is to know about them. There can be no secrets.

    1. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The United States doesn't care about electing the best leader. They care about cheerleading on a party just like 1930s Germany.

    2. Re: And yet by keltor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Preventing the distribution of information that Hillary Clinton made speeches where she said in private the same things as she said in public? Or you mean the fact that the data surely came from Russian State Paid Actors who handed the data to WikiLeaks? I'm guessing that Ecuador is finally realizing they didn't get some great bastion of freedom in Assange, just a pompous asshole who's more trouble than he's worth. I suspect his welcome is about to be over.

    3. Re:And yet by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure. Unless you consider Assange's very sanctuary in the embassy is essentially a big, Ecuadorian, middle finger to the US.

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    4. Re:And yet by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      Personally, I don't care WHO digs up the information. Hackers, Private Investigators, whatever. It does boil down to this: If you're going intelligently elect a leader, you need to know all there is to know about them. There can be no secrets.

      This is what scares quite a few politicians and especially ones with agendas contrary to the public interest. They do not want informed decisions, they prefer obedient and ignorant citizens. This is used on both sides.

    5. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      preventing the distribution of information relevant to the candidates, Ecuador effectively allows the influence to be heavily one sided.

      And, pray tell, which "one side" are we talking about? Both candidates have free access to media, advertising, TV debates, etc, nothing one-sided about that. What would be one-sided is carefully selected, carefully time leaks of information sourced by a state actor intent on destabilising the USA, which impact one candidate only, who Assange considers his enemy. That's hardly a service to transparency, now is it?

      Anyway, I'm sure the Ecuadorians didn't cut off his internet completely, they probably white-listed a few selected sites, you know, like Rapists Anonymous.

    6. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In that case, you really should be clamoring for more from TRUMP. From his medical records to his taxes, he has released less information than any presidential candidate in the last half century. His claims about why should anger you as well. He claims that every one is entitled to privacy, and that's why he shouldn't have to release any such documentation. Or he promises to release it, then doesn't. Notice, also, that these documents are common for every major presidential candidate to release. We're not even getting into the private emails or videos or whatever that you want, we're talking about commonly release documentation that allows for a basic gauge of candidate health and possible financial conflicts of interest. There are rumors swirling around of video tapes and conversations that makes the current drip of Podesta emails look like a joke, and in light of what has already been released about Trump they are more than credible.

      Look, I get what you're saying, and for the most part I agree. But I can understand Ecuador's actions. Assange has made it clear that in this case he doesn't care about silly things like government transparency or anything like that. He has a personal vendetta. If it was really about getting the information out there, the hacked data would have been released all at once, as soon as possible, so that it could be thoroughly gone through an analyzed. But Assange's own comments, and the way he has been releasing the data, make it clear that this release is entirely politically motivated.

      That political motivation, and the method by which a lot of this data has been obtained, along with the high likelihood that Assange has active connections with the hackers that obtained it, are highly problematic for Ecuador. If Ecuador allows Assange to operate out of their embassy, using their resources, in a politically motivated and illegal manner, then they can be seen as giving government approval for that task. Any state that doesn't want people meddling in its OWN elections illegally had better not do anything that can be seen as meddling in someone else's elections illegally. If they believe that Assange has obtained this information in an illegal manner, through collusion with the hackers that performed the actual hack and exfiltration, and that the use of that material is for political attacks against specific targets and is intended to influence the democratic process of another sovereign state, then for ITS OWN GOOD Ecuador MUST stop their state resources from being used in any way that can be seen as condoning those actions.

    7. Re:And yet by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And that Assange is basically a guest in their embassy.

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    8. Re:And yet by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Both candidates are corrupt scum. BUT, Assange's actions in this are deployable, he has gone from someone fighting for open and honest government to someone that is using information he has access too in a manner to influence an election. timing the releases of information to the political happenings in order to influence people makes him no better than those he is supposedly against, actually it probably makes him worse as he "was" supposedly fighting for something better.

    9. Re:And yet by jandersen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...If you're going intelligently elect a leader,...

      Don't you think that train has left the station a long time ago? When the media and a far too loud crowd dominate everything the way they have done, increasingly, since the days of Bill Clinton, at least, intelligent discourse doesn't stand a chance. I rather suspect that is the intention - these people do not want democracy to work, because their extremist agenda will never win in a fair and honest, democratic contest.

    10. Re:And yet by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I agree about exposing politicians. But the reason for the 4th Amendment is at least partly to prevent those in power from spying on political opponents to put that info to use. If only one side "gets" to do this, freedom is impossible.

      It should not be one sided either way.

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    11. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *deplorable

    12. Re:And yet by jrumney · · Score: 1

      You mean a middle finger to Sweden and the UK, right? While I wouldn't set foot in the US in his shoes, he has never been charged with anything there, and despite his paranoid rantings on the subject it is unlikely that he would be extradited there from Sweden (staying in UK on the other hand is a risky decision for someone who thinks they are out to get him, especially if they start withdrawing from EU human rights agreements and form a stronger bond with US)

    13. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you should just listen and believe those who knows best https://youtu.be/HHlIQuycNps

    14. Re:And yet by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Personally, I don't care WHO digs up the information.

      You do, you just won't admit it.

      For example, in other posts you explicitly admit that you put more trust in foreign agencies over domestic agencies.

      So you clearly DO care, as long as it reaffirms your biases.
      =Smidge=

    15. Re:And yet by cjjjer · · Score: 0

      That boat sailed after Carter was elected....

    16. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think that it would end there instead of in the US, you're a fool.

    17. Re:And yet by XXongo · · Score: 1

      ...despite his paranoid rantings on the subject it is unlikely that he would be extradited there from Sweden (staying in UK on the other hand is a risky decision for someone who thinks they are out to get him... )

      it's a risky decision for him because he had paid bail on the promise he would appear (or, more specifically, his friends paid bail) but he jumped bail, and thus is subject to criminal charges in the UK.

    18. Re:And yet by budgenator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is nothing you need to know about Hillary Clinton that isn't known, She will sleep comfortably while you are begging for help to save your life; she has absolutely zero empathy. The Clinton Foundation raked in hundreds of Millions of dollars for the Haitian Earthquake relief and did almost nothing for the Haitians with the money. Hillary Clinton is a pathological liar and that is secondary to bouncing all around the Cluster B personality disorders. If there is a rule or a law, she will break it without a moments hesitation if she perceives the benefit in added power, money or prestige outweighs the risks.
      Simply research all of the scandals the occurred in the Bill Clinton administrations, the ones she orchestrated, and ask yourself what would it be like if she had the powers of Presidential Pardon and Executive Privilege? By all accounts her behaviour when out of the public eye is simply vile, especially towards Military or Law Enforcement; how one treats subordinates speaks volumes.

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    19. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      preventing the distribution of information relevant to the candidates, Ecuador effectively allows the influence to be heavily one sided.

      Do you even buy the crap your shovelling? A nation state is using assange as its toy to disrupt an election. It's completely one sided. I don't think one thing has been hacked on the republican side. Even the tax returns may have just been someone having a copy, and even then it was only a fraction of what Clinton released.

      Donald Trump got crap loads of free press to get this far, and now he is acting like a whining 3 year old and saying its all rigged. It's not. He is getting continuous crap loads of opposition hacking for free, and oh yah, still whining that the election is rigged and the media is out to get him...

      The election is not rigged against the Donald. If anything it has been rigged for him. He is just such a crap candidate that he can't even win with all the rigging. Instead he is trying he is telling a crap load of lies about some conspiracy against him, which is very likely to result in violence and perhaps deaths, and at the very least is destabilizing the worlds faith in our democracy, just because he can't accept he is a looser. No, the Donald cannot be wrong. The World cannot be smart enough to not want him. It is the world that must be wrong. What nonsense.

      So yes, the election is rigged, and yes their is a conspiracy. It is rigged for trump, and the conspiracy is trump's. Not satisfied with his birthir lies to discredit the nations first black president, he is going to try his damnest to discredit the nation's first woman president, and he doesn't give a fark about how it screws over the country.

      Perhaps, at this point the rumor that he is just doing it all to make the next fox news seems as likely as anything. I suppose having a channel that worships his brand of snake oil would appeal to his overinflated sense of ego.

    20. Re:And yet by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      Both candidates are corrupt scum. BUT, Assange's actions in this are deployable, he has gone from someone fighting for open and honest government to someone that is using information he has access too in a manner to influence an election. timing the releases of information to the political happenings in order to influence people makes him no better than those he is supposedly against, actually it probably makes him worse as he "was" supposedly fighting for something better.

      Yeah, and his alleged online alleged sexual grooming of an alleged 8 year old kinda makes him an alleged creepshow.

      http://www.inquisitr.com/36092...

      But worry not, this will all be part of a twisty turney conspiracy plot that will have at it's core, the infernal terror baby and the grandma from hell at it's center. Remember - just because someone is against something you are againstr doesn't necessarily make then an angel in white, coming to rescue the world.

      They might even be worse.

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    21. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's hardly a service to transparency, now is it?

      Yes, it is.

      All information is by definition a service to transparency. "We aren't getting equal information on the other guy" is irrelevant to this.

    22. Re:And yet by rwise2112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Both candidates are corrupt scum.

      Yeah, I think Douglas Adams had it right: "It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

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    23. Re: And yet by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Heinlein believed the same thing.

    24. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are we talking about the one voice of media Hitler tactics? Or the Nationalistic Patriot voice that doesn't want to be invaded by foreign illegal killers?

      I'm confused.

    25. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      preventing the distribution of information relevant to the candidates, Ecuador effectively allows the influence to be heavily one sided.

      Equador is a socialist shithole [in an identity crisis, apparently, because they usually stand against the US no matter who's in charge]. Wake up.

    26. Re:And yet by simpli · · Score: 1

      There can be no secrets? We know more about Hillary than we'll ever know about Trump. How about we start with those tax returns?

    27. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You seem unaware that there is now a reasonably strong chain that links Clintons campaign to these faked paedophile allegations (see reddit wikileaks) and an attempt to entrap Assange with a million dollar bribe through a couple of shell companies connecting back to her camp. It appears it was a possibly criminal Democratic conspiracy/fraud/libel', that got quickly sprung

      Here's a helpful infographic to connect the dots..
      https://i.imgur.com/s27EVHS.jpg

      http://www.inquisitr.com/3609216/julian-assange-reportedly-being-investigated-for-alleged-online-sexual-molestation-of-8-year-old-girl/

      Assange is a twat, but his antipathy towards Clinton is perhaps understandable when there are reports that Clinton discussed assassinating him back in 2010 (and didn't leave the impression she was joking)

      Both candidates are appalling. Trump is an ill-disciplined narcissistic dickhead (though has at least proposed some positive reform - like term limits). But Clinton appears to be a nasty sociopath, and has so much unethical immoral history (going back decades), and what seems like total disregard for the rule of law - from seeming threats to Bills victims' to whitewater, to server shennanigans, to (in last 2 days) filmed admissions from her team about paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies and rig voting. Not really surprising in someone who has been in the game so long and has put up with marriage to Bill to give her the shot at the big chair, but it simply can't be tolerated in a President - even if she might otherwise be a relatively safe pair of hands. Option 3 please.

    28. Re: And yet by Jodka · · Score: 4, Informative

      from parent post:

      Preventing the distribution of information that Hillary Clinton made speeches where she said in private the same things as she said in public? ..."

      from one of Hillary Clinton's paid Wall Street speeches:

      Clinton: “But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.” You just have to sort of figure out how to -- getting back to that word, "balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about today.

      Not only does Hillary Clinton advocate in private paid meetings to Wall Street bankers policies opposed her own public positions, she confesses in one of those meetings that she does. The contradictions between her public statements and private statements made to Wall Street bankers are why she suppressed the release of transcripts or recordings of those paid speeches during the primary and why their release by Wikileaks has been politically damaging to her.

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    29. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't been keeping up.

      The Mainstream Media, including Saturday Night Live, is actively working with corrupt Clinton partisans to distort what Trump is saying by broadcasting actual footage of Trump being an asshole, parodying actual Trump behavior, asking questions at Trump press conferences and doing other things that will support the coming crooked election.

      The Truth isn't in your lying objective facts, it's what Jesus wants it to be and Jesus supports Trump. Trump still hasn't mastered proper Republican duckspeak. He forgets that liberalpress is one word, for example, but he's been coming up strong on his ability to blame anything that doesn't make him look good as biased reporting.

      Of course, after the 2nd Amendment revolution, er, election, the Press will report more favorably on him.

      If they know what's good for them.

    30. Re: And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're kind of handwaving away the damaging parts of the leaks, though, aren't you?

      I don't think most people knew before the leaks that Hillary gets the debate questions from CNN ahead of time. Kind of helps prove the whole thing about politics and the media just being a biased propaganda show? Is that worthwhile?

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    31. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree about exposing politicians. But the reason for the 4th Amendment is at least partly to prevent those in power from spying on political opponents to put that info to use. If only one side "gets" to do this, freedom is impossible.

      It should not be one sided either way.

      And that's just one reason why voting for Crooked Liar Hillary! is a vote that's effectively a vote against freedom and democracy.

    32. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >"deplorable"

      Hillary is that you? Kind of a high user id though.

    33. Re:And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      But WikiLeaks has always been a political actor. Their goal has been to expose the secrets of governments and the powerful. This is always going to influence politics and elections. That's the entire point.

      You had no problem when it was Iraq war horror shows he was exposing, because that fit with your politics. You're only pissed off because he's leaking your side's dirty laundry.

      This says more about you than it does about Assange. When Assange leaked stuff that countered my political views, I changed my political views to accommodate the truth. You just want to kill the messenger. Maybe you think Hillary should drone strike him?

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    34. Re:And yet by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Except Clinton and Trump used to be drinking buddies. They are the same kind of sleazy womanizer. That's why there's so much shrill hysterics from the left. They're trying to distract from what a dirty old creep Clinton is. So if there's any truth to this stuff, chances are that Clinton is in it up to his eyeballs.

      Of course we were told this kind of stuff was fine when Hillary was in the white house last time. We were told it was "un-metropolitan" to be bothered by such things.

      Now they're singing a different tune.

      I am now no less a cultural libertarian than I was 20 or 30 years ago. I don't change my position on these things to suit the times (like Hillary does).

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    35. Re:And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      So if Trump's tax returns look good you'll vote for him? Rich as fuck, gave lots to charity, no money from Russians, he's got your vote?

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    36. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      preventing the distribution of information relevant to the candidates, Ecuador effectively allows the influence to be heavily one sided.

      Does anyone have any evidence that Ecuador even might have prevented the distribution of information relevant to candidates? (Presumably we're talking about US Presidential candidates, not the other 99.9% of candidates.) Wikileaks has more people than Assange, and you don't have to be Wikileaks to distribute information anyway; TPB is good for this kind of work too. (And then there's the question of whether there even exists some information in the hands of someone who wants to leak it but doesn't know how to run a server.)

      Specifically, the side that filters, and releases only approved material in order to promote their candidate.

      Who would that candidate be? Stein is going to lose, period, no matter how much Wikileaks likes her. She's going to even come in behind Trump! And these kinds of people don't have anything to leak anyway, because they open their stupid fucking mouths in public. You don't need Wikileaks for Stein and Trump dirt: Comedy Central and HBO are perfectly good for the job.

      The only way we truly know who the candidates are is when we have access to information about how they think and act when they believe no one is looking.

      Agreed. But WTF does that have to do with cutting off this one guys internet access? If you are sitting on some information about Clinton or Johnson that you think the public should know, maybe you should be spending more time leaking and less time flaming Ecuador. It's not like Ecuador can stop you. Are you Ecuadorian?

    37. Re:And yet by Jodka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sure. Unless you consider Assange's very sanctuary in the embassy is essentially a big, Ecuadorian, middle finger to the US.

      A very good point, because it indicates that Ecuador's recent decision to deny Assange internet access is inconsistent with their previous practice and therefore an unexplained contradiction. In the history of Wikileaks, what have they released which not impact an election? Indeed, influencing political outcomes by releasing secrets is Wikilieaks raison d'être. And Ecuador just noticed that now?

      My guess would be that Ecuador was threatened either by an official in the Obama administration or by a Clinton functionary promising retaliation after she wins election.

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    38. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we get rid of all the native born killers? Last I checked more American citizens have killed American citizens than citizens of other countries.

      Especially can we get rid of creepy white guys with mustaches, those guys are pretty much always serial killers.

      You guys are SO FUCKING WORRIED about illegal immigration and how those people are going to KILL US ALL, yet more people with legally owned firearms are killed with them than terrorists in this country.

      Hypocrites.

    39. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Not only does Hillary Clinton advocate in private paid meetings to Wall Street bankers policies opposed her own public positions, she confesses in one of those meetings that she does."

      Wanted: citation and full context please - the context of this speech excerpts is still not enough! Most of what you're complaining about is actually contained in the heading text of each paragraph added by the media that colours your perception of what she says later in the paragraph/speech.

      The fact that there's a difference between the specifics of negotiation and what's being marketed is something that's inherent to politics itself - which is why she was talking about Lincoln etc., to demonstrate that. If you wish to deny the basic nature and existence of politics itself, I suggest you go live in a bunker someone, alone.

    40. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, then, Jesus just helped release proof of the DNC staging the violence at "violent" Trump rallies.

      On camera. On audio. The organization staging it directly talking about wanting to make sure they got credit with Hillary herself, and the DNC representative restating the entire chain of command from Hillary to the thugs.

      Fox being the only station presenting the tape so far, naturally.

    41. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is ignorant of the facts. But perhaps we will see the Ecuador and Kerry files, magically pop open at some point soon. I'm betting on Video's in them.

    42. Re:And yet by fnj · · Score: 1

      Any voter who doesn't already know all about the lying sack of garbage that is Hillary is WAY beyond stupid. This is as lame as the idea that we didn't all know in 2008 what a putz the Nigerian leftist was.

    43. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If no-one knows by now that the DNC were favouring HC over Sanders for their own private election, they must not be from around there... (I'm in the UK)
      However, the rules and (any) laws governing such private elections are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and separate from the national, general election, and has no bearing on it. The fact that an organisation favoured its own member over an outsider might be against its own internal rules, but doesn't add up to fraud because it's a private organisation.

      Is anyone surprised that a long-time politician tries to be on best terms with the media? Don't blame HC here, it'll help her do her job better - blame CNN for not doing THEIR job :p

    44. Re:And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Party before all else. Loyalty to the party has killed America.

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    45. Re: And yet by fnj · · Score: 1

      Your party line talking points are tired.

    46. Re:And yet by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Good, then hack BOTH sides.

    47. Re: And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, pointing to the obvious isn't going to change the mind of the Parent Post contributor. They will no doubt, double down on the excuses they have for voting for the person they have chosen, regardless of how hypocritical it actually is.

      Man has an uncanny ability to justify just about anything he does. An enlightened man is one that admits he is hypocritical and knows when he is.

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    48. Re: And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      It is worthwhile, but only if you play one of the debate drinking games available. And yes, there is a website ...

      http://www.debatedrinking.com/

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    49. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Per Equador's statement:
      "This temporary restriction does not prevent the WikiLeaks organization from carrying out its journalistic activities."

      It's not that they are trying to prevent the releases. They just don't want to be involved in said releasing.

    50. Re: And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 0, Troll

      This is rotten to the core. And you're excusing it. Why are you gargling plutocrat cock? Are they nice masters for you?

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    51. Re:And yet by fnj · · Score: 1

      The population is close to a 50-50 ideological split, but the media is well over 90% in the bag for one side, with a constant drumbeat of support. The debates are ALWAYS hosted by these agents working tirelessly for one side. The TV and print news is ALL grossly slanted. The entertainment industry is practically a solid cheering section. Twisted "comedians" spend all their time sneering viciously at one side.

      A single agent stands up and tries to fight back and provide a little balance and you have the temerity to call THAT one-sided?

    52. Re:And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      these people do not want democracy to work

      Well, I hate to break this to you, but Democracy will never work. Eventually people gather together enough resources to take whatever they want from people less able to defend themselves from such actions. When you see left wing democratic socialists, they think they have a right (by majority vote) to take whatever they want from others, to support whatever cause (justified or not) they have. They use phrases like "the 1%", and "fair share" and divide people up "Rich vs Middle class vs poor" and always use the majority opinion to simply take via legislation that which they feel entitled to.

      This is why we have a democratic republic, one that used to have an outline of how powerful a government should be (no very) and a defined purpose (to protect the liberties of the People). Those people who think Government is the only solution to the problems government creates, are creating a beast that will eventually eat them up. They are just too ignorant and haven't learned from history.

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    53. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to hear you've always been a chauvinist piece of shit.

    54. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The election is bought & paid for by NAWBO (http://www.nawbo.org/).

    55. Re: And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      If Hillary seizes, shits her pants and falls over you finish the bottle.

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    56. Re:And yet by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      Personally, I don't care WHO digs up the information. Hackers, Private Investigators, whatever.

      It does boil down to this: If you're going intelligently elect a leader, you need to know all there is to know about them. There can be no secrets.

      Except the first and second sentences have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Hackers with an agenda aren't "telling you all you need to know", they are curating the information according to their own motives.

      By allowing ourselves to be drawn to these revelations (no fault there, it's irresistible) we are allowing those agents to feed us the information they want us to know, timed to have the maximum impact on the views they are trying to shape. It's just another weapon the powerful use, mostly against each other.

    57. Re:And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Putting trust (more or less) is often based on experience (bias) but doesn't negate the possibility that the domestic sources information is legitimate.

      I have no doubt that the Trump tape is authentic, and trust it is accurate. But the press (MSM) has also been shown to be highly biased against Trump, and supportive of Hillary, and THAT information is coming from foreign sources like WikiLeaks. The fact that US press hasn't covered it much (if at all) is proof that they are not to be trusted.

      Simply put, trust isn't about quantity, it is about quality. Broken clocks are correct twice a day, and for a very brief period, I can trust that they are right. Doesn't mean I trust them the rest of the time. That is not confirmation bias, that is having an open mind to look beyond the obvious (the clock is broken, I shouldn't use it at all).

      Confirmation bias is only looking to the MSM for "news", in which case, you are unlikely to know much about WikiLeaks exposure of the corruption inside the DNC and its efforts to illegally manipulate the voters. Confirmation Bias is ignoring Project Veritas confirming the WikiLeaks information about "Bird dogging". You think the MSM is going to link those two together and put it on the front page of the NYT or Lead with it on CNN? If this was any (R), you can bet it would be.

      So, I do NOT trust the domestic MSM to do its job at all. It is fully incapable of it. That doesn't mean it isn't right twice a day. It just means that it is full of shit the other 23 hours and 58 minutes.

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    58. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      preventing the distribution of information relevant to the candidates, Ecuador effectively allows the influence to be heavily one sided.

      Specifically, the side that filters, and releases only approved material in order to promote their candidate.

      The only way we truly know who the candidates are is when we have access to information about how they think and act when they believe no one is looking.

      Everything else, is just for show.

      Personally, I don't care WHO digs up the information. Hackers, Private Investigators, whatever.

      It does boil down to this: If you're going intelligently elect a leader, you need to know all there is to know about them. There can be no secrets.

      You can not say the same things to wall street execs that would be understandable to a common worker. It's entirely two different worlds for those two groups of people.

      e-mail is also not immutable so it's entirely possible a word or phrase could be added to make anything look worse than what was actually said.

    59. Re:And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      "You are very close to committing suicide, or having an unfortunate drowning accident while hiking alone ... or something"

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    60. Re:And yet by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      I stand by that statement still.

      You simply cannot make an informed decision given limited and filtered information.

      Foreign agencies will have a similar agenda to our domestic ones. The dissemination of information they believe to be relevant to the issue at hand to further their own agenda. They will release information that the domestic side will not and vice versa.

      However, taking ALL of the data into account ( from all sides ), you can start to get a clearer picture of what's really going on. You can then derive your biases from this if you wish, assuming you trust any of it to begin with. It is the only chance you'll have to decide on your own whom you believe. Without outside help, that information never sees the light of day and any decisions are based solely on half-truths instead.

      For the record, at this point, my biases are as follows:

      Both of our candidates are a lost cause. I don't even care who wins anymore because I have no say so in the matter, especially with the system being designed the way it is. If you think I am wrong and our votes / desires can make a difference, go ask Bernie Sanders supporters how well that worked out for them. Or perhaps the voters in Colorado.

    61. Re:And yet by jandersen · · Score: 1

      ...Democracy will never work. ... When you see left wing democratic socialists, they think they have a right (by majority vote) ...

      So, it doesn't work because you can't always have it your way? In a democracy, that is the way it is supposed to be - sometimes your side wins, sometimes the other side wins. It sort of evens out in the end.

      Those people who think Government is the only solution to the problems government creates, are creating a beast that will eventually eat them up. They are just too ignorant and haven't learned from history.

      And yet it seems to work quite well in Scandinavia and in fact much of the rest of Europe too. Not perfectly, but reasoably well - we can certainly live with it. It makes me wonder why you can't?

    62. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whereas you have an uncanny ability to believe anything that confirms your whacked-out notions without questioning the provenance of the information

      Putin should give you a medal, Dumbass Hero of Russia

    63. Re: And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      AC Troll know nothing shows lack of insight. Color me surprised.

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    64. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing you need to know about Hillary Clinton that isn't known,

      Largely, but not completely. And more is coming out now. . . ugh

    65. Re:And yet by Megol · · Score: 1

      LOL!

    66. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary gets the debate questions from CNN ahead of time.

      Such a inaccurate portrayal of what they leaked email actually told us, and then a disdainful remark about propaganda.

      The email arguably had information about a single question in a town hall meeting back in March. Your extrapolation of her getting all the questions to each debate ahead of time strikes me as extremely intellectually dishonest spin.

    67. Re: And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It has the verbatim question. Word for word. Same punctuation and everything.

      No one is buying the lies anymore. Well actually that's not true. Tons of people are still buying the lies because they're brainwashed retards.

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    68. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good to see that the cronies and crooks have to reach deep into the archives for shill accounts.

      You want to go fight Russia because the established corruption is embarrassed by emails so claims to be a victim, you go right ahead. Carry a video camera so we can watch you get shot. Dumbass.

    69. Re:And yet by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Our republic is structured in a way to prevent majority domination. The minority party is given power to block legislation for this reason and the design was such that compromise was necessary. But one side has decided that compromise is bad, that is what has broken the system.

    70. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between releasing information when available, and strategically releasing at specific times to maximize the political impact. One is in a spirit of freedom of information and transparency where truth speaks for itself, and the other is a deliberate attempt to wield power for personal reasons. What is your agenda in trying to defend this guy?

    71. Re:And yet by Megol · · Score: 1

      One have to be a fool to believe Assange. Why?

      . He willingly traveled to Sweden. Why didn't he believe that he would be extradited then?
      . He willingly traveled to UK. Why didn't he fear extradition? Note that the UK-US extradition treaty is heavily skewed to make extraditions easier to the US and that the UK is very close to the US.
      . He have claimed that Sweden doesn't guarantee he will not be extradited.

      That is obvious given that it would be against Swedish law to do so, the extradition process requires 1) that an extradition request exists (it doesn't in this case) 2) that information about the extradition request is available (there isn't a request nor information) 3) there have to be a process to determine if an extradition should be done.
      So giving a guarantee would requiring rewriting of laws _and_ enable Assange to flee somewhere even if he would be linked to e.g. child trafficking or terrorism as the guarantee would have to be generic! Assanges lawyers knows this and know that it is a bullshit argument.

      . He knows that for Sweden to extradite someone to the US _assuming_they_got_the_request_ Sweden have to seek permission from the UK. In other words he is as safe in Sweden as he is/was in the UK!
      . He knows that Sweden never extradites anyone that could face the death penalty. Even so he and his idiot followers keep trying to portrait going Sweden as being the same as being extradited to face the death penalty.

    72. Re:And yet by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same thing could be said of Trump.

        He routinely destroys small businesses by refusing to pay them (nearly every project he's ever done), he has zero empathy with any individual. He's so thin skinned that it's likely he'd start a war over a foreign leader insulting him and routinely uses his power, money and celebrity to damage those he sees as enemies. He's a bigot and a misogynist. He's also a compulsive liar so you can't believe anything he says he will do and you can only trust what he's done in the past. That includes not paying taxes, screwing every little guy he can (including fake real estate seminars that screwed the middle and lower class out of thousands of dollars), he routinely lies about doing things then doesn't do them, he routinely lies about helping people and doesn't help them. He's the epitomy of the silver spoon generation of chickenhawks.

      Given his actions and the fact he's a compulsive liar I don't know how anyone that's not a silver spoon can even trust him. Just like every time in the past he's claimed to be for the little guy then bent them over and fucked them good and hard he's going to do the same to his supporters this time. The only thing you can be sure of, Trump is for Trump.

    73. Re:And yet by Kohath · · Score: 1

      ... he has gone from someone fighting for open and honest government to someone that is using information he has access too in a manner to influence an election. timing the releases of information to the political happenings in order to influence people makes him no better than those he is supposedly against...

      So the "right thing" to do is to keep the information secret until it's too late to be useful to voters? That's an interesting value system you have.

    74. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the opposite, Mr. froth at the mouth Trump fanboy?

    75. Re:And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      No, I don't give a shit about his tax returns. My point is no one actually gives a shit about his tax returns. There isn't a single person saying "Gee I'm fine with building a wall and deporting millions of people and banning muslims, but what if there's something shady in his tax returns?!? Nope nope nope #ImWithHer!"

      Since it makes no difference one way or the other, I hope he never releases them because it makes lefties so buttmad and the media wastes tons of time harping about something completely worthless instead of picking a more effective attack.

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    76. Re:And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between releasing information when available, and strategically releasing at specific times to maximize the political impact. One is in a spirit of freedom of information and transparency where truth speaks for itself, and the other is a deliberate attempt to wield power for personal reasons.

      No, he was always doing that. Remember the flak he got for the editing of the "collateral murder" video? Assange has always had an agenda. That agenda is...mainly Assange. Julian wants to save the world, but mainly because Julian wants to be famous and beloved for saving the world.

      What is your agenda in trying to defend this guy?

      I'm laughing at the hypocrisy of...well most everyone, but definitely the left. Lefties on /. were all up Julian's ass when his leaks helped their political causes. Now that they're in complete denial about the thorough corruption of their party that Assange is revealing he's evil and they want him droned. Similarly there's lots of conservatives who are suddenly Assange cheerleaders who probably agreed with that drone strike idea back during the Manning dumps.

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    77. Re:And yet by jbwolfe · · Score: 4, Informative

      She will sleep comfortably while you are begging for help to save your life

      You're likely just echoing conservative dogma about "Benghazigate". Do you get you get your news from any sources other that Fox? Not to diminish the tragedy, but the Obama administration's errors here (in actuality, lower level security personnel in the State Dept. rather than Clinton directly though she accepted responsibility as Sec.) was in its flawed strategic decisions regarding the size of the ambassadorial mission there and what actions to take in light of the decreasing stability. To portray Clinton as slumbering comfortably while her charges were begging for help is patently false. Further, conservative efforts to discredit Clinton through endless Benghazi hearings are disingenuous, unceasing and utterly wasteful, but shows them as the true exploiters of the tragedy. Ronald Reagan's Benghazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings was not politicized at all and it happened six months after the embassy there was bombed.

      If there is a rule or a law, she will break it without a moments hesitation if she perceives the benefit in added power, money or prestige outweighs the risks.

      Opinion stated as fact. Please support with evidence... BTW, factually speaking, Trump has boasted of sexual assault and is busy right now planting the seeds of insurrection by absurdly claiming the election is"rigged"- sounds like treason (the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government) to me. Tell me who's lawless again.

      ask yourself what would it be like if she had the powers of Presidential Pardon and Executive Privilege?

      Sorry, too busy pondering what would happen if Trump were CIC. Didn't he say he would carpet bomb ISIS and steal the oil? He knows more about ISIS than "tha generals". K then, Like I said,: too busy pondering Armageddon under Trump....

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    78. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why this is so disturbing.
      The US government has been "negotiating" a major currency deal with Ecuador, and the day it is approved, Ecuador cuts off the internet access of the primary leaker of embarrassing documents to the US ruling party's candidate.

      The US Government has now used its sovereign functions of foreign policy and trade deals EXPLICITLY to interfere in a domestic political campaign. After the IRS scandal (still ongoing!) and the FBI "investigation", this is just upping the ante. But where will it stop?

    79. Re:And yet by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      The election is not rigged against the Donald.

      Yea, just like the Primaries with Sanders... Oh. wait. Ok, just because the conspiracies against Sanders during the primary was proven true doesn't mean that the DNC or Clinton campaign would do the same unethical tactics in the general...

      You are a fool.

    80. Re:And yet by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's got to do anything with any release. They received word via the UN that Assange was allegedly communicating with an 8 yr old girl inappropriately, so they axed his internet access until further investigations says he did or didn't do what is claimed. Wouldn't you do the same thing to someone living under your roof who's been accused of online sexual misconduct with an underage person? I know I would. Even if you think they're innocent, it's about covering your own ass to avoid potential lawsuits or liability, no matter how frivolous they may be.

    81. Re:And yet by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      You simply cannot make an informed decision given limited and filtered information.

      So you're saying it's fundamentally impossible to make an informed decision in the election? Guess nobody should be voting then.

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    82. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't have one missile "rain down" on anything. "Rain" implies many raindrops.

    83. Re: And yet by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Same with Arthur C. Clarke. His concept was along the lines of jury service. As in, you got called up for a certain period. That period was shortened if people felt you were doing a good job, almost like your sentence was commuted for good behaviour!

    84. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one trusts Trump, while Hillary gets a pass despite being untrustworthy. That speaks more for a Trump presidency, unfortunately.

    85. Re:And yet by budgenator · · Score: 1

      It's really hard to tell if Trump is lying, he has a very unstructured thought/speech pattern, so you're never sure if you've missed a context shift or not and he often fails to deliver the Coup de grâce, such as in the last debate when they were talking about the income taxes as you mentioned above, Trump should have finished with "And you have taken the same tax deduction, that you're accusing me of taking" but didn't.

      And as far as starting wars Obama/Clinton has destablised the whole middle east into sectarian genocide, we're all but in a shooting war with Russia, shit is getting real with Iran in a proxy war in Yeman and both Iran and Saudi Arabia are jockeying for position to take advantage of the vacuum created when ISIS get hammered into the ground; so I don't see how things could get worse.

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    86. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not hypocrites, realists. The media blathers on about "terrorists" and how worried Americans are about them but that is the biggest piece of journalistic BS out there and that is saying a lot. People are choosing sides as the animosity level continues to rise egged on by narcissists and the mindless proles basking in a dream world of140 character missives masquerading as intelligent thoughts. The worst mistake anyone cam make is to wide generalizations of what "Americans" are. "Americans" are more diverse than any other country or region on the planet bar none. Ignoring that simple fact renders any characterizations and accusations of "Americans" meaningless.

    87. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Access to information...

      http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/93582614/pedophile-accusations-from-dating-website
      https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/587lbg/i_have_been_looking_into_the_san_fransisco
      https://twitter.com/realVivaEuropa
      https://twitter.com/wikileaks

    88. Re:And yet by budgenator · · Score: 1

      That's really out there, firstly I'd need a more credible source, and secondly who cares how fully informed, non-coerced consenting adults get their jollies?

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    89. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between his policy positions and whether or not he is a fraud or liar or has conflicts of interest based on this information. Maybe you personally fail to see this or choose to dismiss it, but it is complete garbage for you to purport to speak for everyone else.

    90. Re:And yet by Yunzil · · Score: 1

      That's cute, you really believe all that crap. :3

      By all accounts her behaviour when out of the public eye is simply vile

      On the other hand, Trump's behavior is vile all the time.

    91. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, millions of people want to vote for Trump, who is the most secretive candidate in decades. Nobody knows how much money he owes to whom (just that he's the "Kind of Debt"), how much he pays in income taxes, what his health is really like, what foreign governments he's involved with, what companies he's invested in, or even his actual net worth.

      Go figure!

      dom

    92. Re:And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Democracy, two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

      It never works out in the end.

      And it hasn't worked out in Scandinavia.

      https://fee.org/articles/the-m...
      https://www.bostonglobe.com/op...
      http://www.thenewamerican.com/...

      If all you listen to is Left-wing news and Bernie, you'd never know socialism doesn't work.

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    93. Re:And yet by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Sorry, too busy pondering what would happen if Trump were CIC. Didn't he say he would carpet bomb ISIS and steal the oil? He knows more about ISIS than "tha generals". K then, Like I said,: too busy pondering Armageddon under Trump....

      Yes he said that, but I think he meant "I knows more about ISIS than the generals that haven't been purged"; the Obama administration has lost a lot of good men in the military.

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    94. Re: And yet by MoaDweeb · · Score: 1

      In later life Heinlein made Atilla look progressive.

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    95. Re:And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Trump releases his tax returns. It turns out he's lost billions, gives nothing to charity, and has heavy investments from V. PUTIN INC. What happens to his poll numbers?

      Trump releases his tax returns. It turns out he's rich as fuck, gives mountains of cash to wynynz and kids and shit, and has not the slightest hint of foreign entanglement. What happens to his poll numbers?

      Anyway, keep screaming "MUH TAXES MUH TAXES!!!!" Working great for ya.

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    96. Re:And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Both sides have decided that. It isn't just (R) or (D) doing it (don't know which you implied), it is actually both.

      And both sides are looking at maintaining their power, instead of what is best for everyone.

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    97. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has the verbatim question. Word for word. Same punctuation and everything.

      No one is buying the lies anymore. Well actually that's not true. Tons of people are still buying the lies because they're brainwashed retards.

      Where are the other questions?

    98. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have an awful lot of animosity for someone that tens of millions of already people voted for. Remember Brexit?

      It seems like we've become a country of extermists, and you sound like one of them!

    99. Re: And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      1. Where there's one there's more.

      2. Why does it matter? Even one is damning.

      3. CNN is lying to you.

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    100. Re:And yet by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      However, taking ALL of the data into account ( from all sides ), you can start to get a clearer picture of what's really going on.

      Argument to moderation. You are assuming both sides are equally trustworthy (or non-trustworthy) and are basically symmetrical in their levels of manipulation. For example, Group A might be withholding information. Group B might be providing false information. The truth, therefore, is not somewhere between partial and wrong information.

      That kind of thinking is exactly what makes propaganda effective. Congratulations on being a stooge.
      =Smidge=

    101. Re: And yet by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Hillary will not seize, they don't allow flash photography at the debates.

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    102. Re:And yet by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Worth mentioning that if people didn't reliably vote based on party, then gerrymandering would be largely impossible.

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    103. Re:And yet by mce · · Score: 1

      preventing the distribution of information relevant to the candidates, Ecuador effectively allows the influence to be heavily one sided.

      So what? They are a sovereign nation and are fully within their right to prefer Hillary over Dump. Or maybe just anyone and she's considered to be the best (or least bad) they can hope for"... Putin is on record for preferring Trump. That's his right as well.

      As long as foreign governments don't try to actively interfere, they can do whatever they like. Especially within their own embassy that is part of their national territory. The task pf the Equadorian government is to take care of Equador and its people in the best way possible..Nothing more, nothing less.

    104. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like treason

      No, no, claiming the election is rigged isn't treason. This is treason. Committed by one Hillary Clinton, and probably implicating a whole list of other members of the adminstration.

    105. Re:And yet by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Except Clinton and Trump used to be drinking buddies. They are the same kind of sleazy womanizer. ... Clinton is in it up to his eyeballs.

      I had to read your post three times to figure out whether you were talking about Bill or Hillary there; the his finally did it.

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    106. Re:And yet by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Trump has all but vocally admitted he didn't pay any personal federal income taxes by using the same deduction that the Clintons used in 2015.

      I'm still trying to figure out how the Clinton's got $600,000.00 a tax deduction for contributing to the non-profit that they are employed by!

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    107. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with meta-monkey! I don't give a shit about actual facts! Burn the witch!

    108. Re:And yet by simpli · · Score: 1

      And you know about the $600k because you can read Hillary's taxes? Aside from that, $600k results in a potential reduction in their taxes. The foundation pays it back out as salary to the Clintons or anyone else - and it is taxed! The accountants make a bit more money, but the government always gets theirs.

      Trump's carryover loss of $1 billion is a stupid political issue - it is perfectly valid and normal business. But why did he lose $1 billion during a great market? What weird deductions / claims has he made that violate legal or ethical boundaries? Does he really donate anything to charity? Who are his business partners / puppet string holder - he owes banks or other investors a lot of money. Any of that foreign? Russia? China? What did he pledge to guarantee those loans? Is he really worth anything close to what he claims (doubtful)? Is his hair real (ok, tax statement won't answer that).

      We can answer most of these questions about Hillary - because surprise she released her statements. Trump? Trust him, he's not a loser, he has great people. The best people. He will release those taxes as soon as he's out of audit, which will take much more time than the election. And btw, since he has promised to release, will he release them win or lose so we can mock him based on the additional evidence?

    109. Re:And yet by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      He's always lying. He's a property developer, everything they say is a lie. This makes it easy to tell if he's lying, if he's speaking it's a lie. If you don't understand this you've never talked to property developers before.

      My god he's denied saying things he's on video saying, you can't be a bigger liar than that.

    110. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap! Your wingnuttery is showing if you believe that "flowchart" with no sources!

    111. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're kind of handwaving away the damaging parts of the leaks, though, aren't you?

      I don't think most people knew before the leaks that Hillary gets the debate questions from CNN ahead of time. Kind of helps prove the whole thing about politics and the media just being a biased propaganda show? Is that worthwhile?

      Do yourself a favor and don't go into gin joints in Casablanca I hear the have gambling.

    112. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess would be that Ecuador was threatened either by an official in the Obama administration or by a Clinton functionary promising retaliation after she wins election.

      Excellent deduction, according to the Boston Herald it turns out to have been John Kerry.

    113. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess would be that Ecuador was threatened either by an official in the Obama administration or by a Clinton functionary promising retaliation after she wins election.

      Knowing how Obama and the Clintons operate, more likely a bribe offered to decision-makers than a threat to the entire country.

    114. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Equador have taken the high-moral road pretty much throughout this entire sad affair. They believed Assange we he said the US were setting him up because Equador knows that's how the US rolls. This latest thing with the bribe and the 8 year old is just more of the same. They just feel that supporting his efforts to affect a 'so-called' democratic election are not ethically justified and so they've acted to restrict him.

      I think the Equadorian people should be very proud of their countries behaviour in this affair.

    115. Re: And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      The fact she gets full questions from CNN and topics from Fox? Yes, burn the witch.

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    116. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A broken clock is right twice a day, therefore I can use it twice a day"?

      That's probably the dumbest single thing I've ever read about this election, and that's saying a lot.

    117. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The United States of America is not a democracy and never has been. It is in fact a democratic republic. That is why the president is not elected by popular vote, but by the Electoral College. Democracy is evil. Two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner!

    118. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way we truly know who the candidates are is when we have access to information about how they think and act when they believe no one is looking.

      So unless Ecuador promotes public brain scans they are interfering with the US elections?

      Damn. Take the crack pipe out of your mouth and back away from the keyboard..

    119. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      D00Mslayer, I have heard an allegation that you sexually harassed the eight year old girl mentioned in the Assange complaint.

      In accordance with your stated principles, please disconnect yourself from the internet immediately.

    120. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really cause I sure can't think of an instance where the dems have purposefully stated they don't care what's at stake, they aren't working with the repubs and will block everything they attempt to pass. The repubs have. I also do not recall an instance where the dems have purposefully shutdown the gov cause they didn't get their way. Again, the repubs have. The second sentence, however, I cannot agree more with.

    121. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The United States doesn't care about electing the best leader. They care about cheerleading on a party just like 1930s Germany.

      Even if the USA did care, it wouldn't matter.

      tl:dr? The POTAS is not the leader, just a figure head ("democratic" version of the English royalty) with some "influence" i.e. doesn't lead any majority that has primary influence, doesn't have ultimate power - is in fact a pawn of corporations and congress. Moreover the POTAS is not even the leader of their political party (that'd be the people who answer the 'phone numbers possessed by the party "numbers man".)

    122. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fervently hope his welcome is about to be over.

      TFTFU.

    123. Re:And yet by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      I have no problems with him releasing information when he gets it. What he is doing is collecting and hording the information in order to use it for his own benefit and political agenda rather than trying to ensure people are informed. That stinks and is exactly the sort of dirty act Clinton or Trump would do. When you sink to their level you are as bad as they are.

    124. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no the right thing to do is release it when he gets it not horde it and use for his personal gain/vendetta's

    125. Re:And yet by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      And he's always released information on his schedule, when it suited his purposes. He has never rushed to dump everything ASAP. Assange is a political actor, just like every other political actor, and just like Snowden and Greenwald released his stuff in different timed waves for political purposes.

      If he were dumping stuff strategically to hurt Trump you'd still be gargling his cock about how "Assange is your friend he fights for freedumb!" But right now his political purpose is taking down the corrupt DNC and media establishment, the rancid Clinton Foundation and the psychopathic Clinton crime family. Because you support these things for some bizarre reason you're all pissy at Assange now. Yawn.

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    126. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever considered that the reason the US press don't really cover the Wikileaks stuff much is because a human admitting that they have different personal views to the political views they express in their line of work is infinitely less newsworthy than a presidential candidate admitting to sexual assault?

      I think the problem with your view on press bias is that you haven't objectively considered the relatively validity of the news from an objective standpoint, you've merely decided you don't like Hillary and therefore the news must attack her as much as Donald even if there's not really actually much to attack her over than an awful lot of mediocre leaked information, and a ton of entirely unfounded speculation, and possibly even outright lies, whereas in contrast the other candidats is doing a fine job of turning himself into a far more newsworthy story left, right, and centre all by himself.

      Trump has been in the news the last few days for example because he just can't help himself, whereas Hillary hasn't been in the news because there's really been exactly jack shit worth publishing about her for a few days because she went quiet to prepare for the debate.

      In assuming bias you're failing to spot that in fact you own complete lack of objectivity is the actual problem.

    127. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      preventing the distribution of information relevant to the candidates, Ecuador effectively allows the influence to be heavily one sided.

      The influence from Wikileaks is extremely one sided. They leak nothing on Trump.

      And such leak is very much needed, he refuses to divulge a number of "secrets". But Wikileaks only reports on what have been given to them and right now Assange is trying to stay relevant (hint: he isn't), so he tries to maximize the DNC leak.

      Ecuador is doing what they think is best for them. They don't want to see Trump becoming president. For many world leaders, that would be the worst scenario. An unstable leader in charge of the US would mean chaos for everyone.

      So, if their guest oversteps their welcome, he is promptly shown that he is not free to do as he chooses under their roof.

    128. Re:And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't understand the metaphor. And by restating what I didn't say, make yourself look really stupid. Putting quotes around it doesn't make it correct, it just shows you don't know proper citation practices. You must be a member of the Mainstream Media.

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    129. Re:And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 0

      You're under a false assumption based on binary thinking, that I support Trump.

      But, if you're going down the line of who screwing who is worse, Trump didn't screw any of the women, while Clinton is figuratively raping the nation for political gain. Voter fraud is a huge issue, since it affects everyone, regardless of who they are voting for.

      As for Attacking Donald, the Press are in cahoots (literally) with the Hillary Campaign are doing a fine job of that, I don't need to pile on. And by being in bed (figuratively speaking) with the Clinton Campaign, are equally complicit with the fraud being perpetrated by the DNC, Clinton and everyone implicated in the Wikileaks scandal (including inciting violence).

      So, violence is violence, and shouldn't be tolerated. Clinton is complicit at minimum, and involved directly at worst with everything WikiLeaks and Project Veritas has exposed. But you don't seem concerned about any of that, because Hillary is your vagina candidate (her most notable "qualification")

      You Chickenshit liberals are all the same.

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    130. Re:And yet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      You haven't listened to Harry Reid at all, have you?

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    131. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. There are no longer any "blue dog" democrats. Even the term 'blue dog" has a interesting origin. Everything is lock step, salute to the party. At least the republicans will call out foolishness to their own detriment I suppose.

    132. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you should be asking for is release of tax info from the clinton foundation. Not sure how to deal with the candian subsidy of the foundation they have fewer disclosure laws.

      The clinton's have had a life time of cleaning up their tax returns - although I am not sure I would have publicly allowed donating used underwear to charity to get out.

      The only reason they want trump to release his returns is to play the us against them divide the groups talking points. It doesn't matter if it was all legal. Meanwhile trump is forced by other obligations such as making sure his employees keep their jobs to play by those rules and avoid taxes as much as possible.

    133. Re:And yet by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theory. Got any halfway trustworthy sources?

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    134. Re:And yet by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Nobody has explained to me why it's a bad thing that the DNC has a preference for who gets nominated.

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    135. Re:And yet by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Or maybe Ecuador has limits in what they want to do. They get political points for defying the US, so hosting a guy who claims the US is out to get him is good for them. Interfering in other countries' elections is more serious than just harboring a guy who claims to be a fugitive from the US, and they may well not want to play that hardball. It weakens their objections against the US interfering in their elections, and can hurt their diplomatic standing with other countries.

      They may well have had a message from the US pointing this out, but it almost certainly wasn't accompanied with a threat.

      There's also the possibility that Ecuador wanted to mess with US elections, and found it expedient to cut Assange off after he leaked what he could.

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    136. Re:And yet by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Individuals can have preference. Organizations with fiduciary responsibilities cannot. Also, the DNC did more than just have a 'preference' they conspired and acted against Sanders in an unfair and in some instances illegal way . Do you think organizing and training violent protestors is just showing 'preference'? Do you think busing repeat voters to different polling booths is showing only 'preference'?

      Those actions from institutions from the DNC do more to undermine democracy in this country than Trump calling them out for that behavior.

    137. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the thing about secrets... If you don't have any, you probably can't keep any. If you can't keep any, few if any organizations will have anything to do with you.

      Posting as anonymous coward since I'm too lazy to register at this very moment.

    138. Re:And yet by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Organizations with fiduciary responsibilities can certainly have preferences, and I wasn't aware the DNC had fiduciary responsibilities. Could you clarify?

      The "unfairness" to Sanders was a matter of requiring himself to prove his support. Had he won more delegates, he'd be the nominee. You're talking to a guy who cast his first Presidential ballot for McGovern here, guy, and I want someone tilting the candidate selection process towards stability and electability.

      The DNC, as far as I can tell, didn't train or organize violent protesters. The video evidence is from a person who's widely known for faking his videos to serve his right-wing agenda. I doubt it was involved in busing repeat voters around, and in any case that would be a really inefficient and dangerous way to cheat on elections. If there was any will to stop such cheating, it would be stopped.

      The current real threats to democracy are disenfranchisement of voters, typically those who vote Democrat, and Trump's insistence that any election he doesn't lose has to be rigged and that he won't accept the results if he loses.

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    139. Re: And yet by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree with what is being said against Hillary. But to assume Trump is beyond this sort of conduct is at best naive, and the fact that people only point fingers at Clinton when talking about corporate corruption is a little odd.

  8. A pringles can is now seen sticking out his window by DirkDaring · · Score: 4, Funny

    A little wiring and duct tape and he's good to go.

  9. He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by sciengin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Too bad that that actor was sponsored by the same state that gave him protection.

    Just shows how deep corruption and collusion runs internationally.

    1. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 0

      Actually, it appears that the real actor was rather John Kerry in this case - to support his party and prevent Wikileaks from dumping more emails before the last presidential debate.

    2. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      He's learning the downside of being no longer useful to unfree regimes.

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    3. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by blankinthefill · · Score: 1

      And is there any evidence of this? Ecuador has already stated they acted on their own, and they have compelling reasons for doing so. The only people I've seen saying that this was John Kerry are the people who either were effected by the shutoff directly, or those who support their political motivations. None of the claims have any proof behind them, they are just wild assertions or baseless claims at this point.

    4. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not surprising. One of the things we learned recently was that the State Department pressured the FBI to unclassify (as in, have never classified, rather than declassify, as it would still have been illegal for Hillary to be sending at-the-time classified emails even if they're later declassified) emails found on Hillary's server.

      Except that by that time, Hillary was (of course) no longer Secretary of State. John Kerry was. Which means it was his State Department that attempted to pressure the FBI into effectively lying about Hillary Clinton emailing classified material.

      Their defense is laughable: the FBI didn't unclassify the material, and the State Department therefore didn't approve FBI requests. This demonstrates "no quid pro quo" as the State Department puts it, or "they carried out their threat" as rational people would put it.

      Which is why it's not surprising at all that Kerry would be abusing his office to threaten foreign powers into silencing Wikileaks. Wikileaks is our current best chance to not elect what would doubtlessly be the most corrupt administration the United States has ever seen.

    5. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it appears that the real actor was rather John Kerry in this case

      Pure speculation. The State Department has explicitly denied that claim. OTOH, the Ecuadorean government has said that it decided on its own it didn't want someone operating under their auspices meddling in the internal affairs of a foreign government.

    6. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US gave Ecuador over 25 million in aid in 2012, it has slowly decreased to zero in 2015. But next year they are getting 2 million. Don't tell me that we had nothing to do with this. Follow the money.

    7. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by fnj · · Score: 1

      Well, of COURSE they're not going to come out and SAY "Kerry threatened and scared us, so we caved in". Sheesh.

    8. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      For 2 million dollars? Please. That's hardly anything.

    9. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      The point being that the Ecuadorians *already* have more than sufficient reason to restrict his access. No threats of the sort being alleged are necessary.

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    10. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by budgenator · · Score: 1

      "As usual, should any members of your IM Force be caught or killed, the Secretary of State shall deny all knowledge of any of your actions".

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    11. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by budgenator · · Score: 1

      That's the point, each year they sheltered Assange since 2012, and their Aid package has been decreased; they're not being "paid" to cut his internet, they're being punished for not turning him out to the Brits.

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    12. Re:He was right, it was a state sponsored actor by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but the president of Ecuador had personally kicked out any and all outside influence a little over two years ago, especially US influence.

      www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-30/usaid-leaving-ecuador

      They had their own reasons for cutting his internet access down, but it wasn't because anybody from the US persuaded or forced them to.

      I know it doesn't fit your narrative, but I think you'll be able to cope.

  10. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by DirkDaring · · Score: 0

    See you need a link; therefore, uneducated.

  11. Unruly house guest by ronmon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like having someone stay over and he starts pissing in the neighbor's yard.

    As the host, it's up to you to keep him in line or kick him out.

    1. Re:Unruly house guest by Kohath · · Score: 1, Informative

      Telling people what Hillary is actually doing is bad manners.

    2. Re:Unruly house guest by walterbyrd · · Score: 2

      Why is this "unruly?"

      Until Assange started exposing Hillary, there was no problem.

    3. Re:Unruly house guest by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      Well said.

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    4. Re:Unruly house guest by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well. Well. Speak of the devil. You got a lot of questions to answer in this thread buddy. And don't give me that "oh, I am not the Ecuador TFA was talking about. I'm the innocent Ecuador! Promise!" we've heard that excuse before.

    5. Re:Unruly house guest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to Wikileaks, I learned that Hillary eats risotto and she isn't even Italian! Scandalous!

    6. Re:Unruly house guest by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Not that, y'know, pissing on the neighbor's lawn would actually hurt anything at all...

      Not the best analogy.

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  12. Re:A pringles can is now seen sticking out his win by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

    A little wiring and duct tape and he's good to go.

    Few people know that MacGuyver was based on the real-life exploits of Julian Assange.

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  13. Trumps a brilliant man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm one of the many many much educated people that went to college and I'm a engineer - BS Engineering Technology in Small Engine Repair from Hillbilly State, NC.

    These slghts against us Trump supporters ain't doing anybody no service.

    He's got an incredible platforms. He's gonna somehow build a wall and somehow make Mexico pay for it.

    He's gonna somehow repeal the H1-b laws - by ordering Congress to do it.

    And by Jesus, he knows so much about the Bible, he knows about passages that no one else knows!

    And the law too! Why, he knows how to do things as President that are beyond the powers of the President. He's gonna get powers of all 3 branches of government and combine them into the POTUS and make government more efficient - like the genius businessman he is!

    He's so smart, before he was even born, he chose rich parents to be born to. How's that for smarts!

    1. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I done gone to DeVry and got me an MCSE!!

    2. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm one of the many many much educated people that went to college and I'm a engineer - BS Engineering Technology in Small Engine Repair from Hillbilly State, NC.

      These slghts against us Trump supporters ain't doing anybody no service.

      He's got an incredible platforms. He's gonna somehow build a wall and somehow make Mexico pay for it.

      He's gonna somehow repeal the H1-b laws - by ordering Congress to do it.

      And by Jesus, he knows so much about the Bible, he knows about passages that no one else knows!

      And the law too! Why, he knows how to do things as President that are beyond the powers of the President. He's gonna get powers of all 3 branches of government and combine them into the POTUS and make government more efficient - like the genius businessman he is!

      He's so smart, before he was even born, he chose rich parents to be born to. How's that for smarts!

      Wow.

      He's an Obama clone.

      All he needs is a pen and a phone!

    3. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 0

      The sad thing is that there is a bunch of knuckledraggers out there that actually BELIEVE what you just said (even though you were trying to be funny). :/

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    4. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 0, Troll

      The sad thing is that there is a bunch of knuckledraggers out there that actually BELIEVE what you just said (even though you were trying to be funny). :/

      Sadder yet is that there is another bunch of knuckledraggers who think Hillary and Bernie are smarter than Trump.

    5. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by show+me+altoids · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The sad thing is that there is a bunch of knuckledraggers out there that actually BELIEVE what you just said (even though you were trying to be funny). :/

      Sadder yet is that there is another bunch of knuckledraggers who think Hillary and Bernie are smarter than Trump.

      I have never seen a more fitting user name before, and I doubt I ever will again.

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    6. Re: Trumps a brilliant man! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      there is another bunch of knuckledraggers who think Hillary and Bernie are smarter than Trump.

      It's actually quite obvious that the evil, lying manpig has a higher IQ than than the Angry Mullet... not that this necessarily matters (policy is clearly decided a lot higher up than in the White House) but I'll take whatever protections I can get. ;)

    7. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Technicians and Engineers are not the same job and you should know that by now.

      It's like saying I'm a Dr, I graduated with a BSN!

    8. Re: Trumps a brilliant man! by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

      there is another bunch of knuckledraggers who think Hillary and Bernie are smarter than Trump.

      It's actually quite obvious that the evil, lying manpig has a higher IQ than than the Angry Mullet... not that this necessarily matters (policy is clearly decided a lot higher up than in the White House) but I'll take whatever protections I can get. ;)

      I have no reason to believe that Hillary is smarter than Donald Trump (and I'm high IQ). Trump seems to be playing a character that appeals to a certain "base". Hillary doesn't really appeal to any base - the Democrats like her because she's bought and predictable. Sanders appeals to a base of mainly people who are terrible with math and understanding human nature.

      Trump is a master at marketing and branding - look at his TV show. He's a chameleon who can be who he needs to be to win.

      I'm not supporting the guy and have no plans of voting for any of them - they're all terrible people in their own unique ways. I just get tired of the standard Democrat lie that "Republicans are stupid and evil". It's not that I disagree with it, the lie is one of omission.

    9. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > He's gonna somehow repeal the H1-b laws - by ordering Congress to do it.

      Well, if it's his party then he at least has a fighting chance.

      That's how this particular circus works.

      I guess you should have paid attention in high school.

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    10. Re: Trumps a brilliant man! by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      Master of marketing and branding?

      He's a real estate mogul. Nearly all of his brands are pretty much failures outside of real estate.

      http://www.internationalbusine...

    11. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Here, have a look inside this small tin I just bought at the convenience store counter ..

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    12. Re: Trumps a brilliant man! by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Nuh, there's that guy 'PizzaAnalogyDude/Guy'.

    13. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      From what I can tell, Trump's only real strategy here is to use his presidential bid as a launching point for a TV network.

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    14. Re: Trumps a brilliant man! by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Master of marketing and branding?

      He's a real estate mogul. Nearly all of his brands are pretty much failures outside of real estate.

      http://www.internationalbusine...

      You're kidding, right? The guy probably made more money on the TV show where he put "you're fired" into the American lexicon than he has in real estate. Why was he, of all people, the star of that show? Branding and marketing. It obviously wasn't his business acumen.

    15. Re: Trumps a brilliant man! by D00MSlayer · · Score: 2

      Why was he, of all people, the star of that show? Branding and marketing.

      Ummm... because he signed the contract that made him the star of the show?

      Also, I'm pretty sure the marketing was performed by the folks who work at NBC, not Trump himself.

    16. Re:Trumps a brilliant man! by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      These slghts against us Trump supporters ain't doing anybody no service.

      These here slights against us Trump supporters ain't doin' nobody no service, nohow.

      FTFY

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    17. Re: Trumps a brilliant man! by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Why was he, of all people, the star of that show? Branding and marketing.

      Ummm... because he signed the contract that made him the star of the show?

      So you turned down the contract? They sent contracts to everybody and Trump was the only one who signed?

      Obviously, they chose him out of everybody else based on his personal marketing.

      Also, I'm pretty sure the marketing was performed by the folks who work at NBC, not Trump himself.

      Really? They were working with him 25 years ago?

      No.

    18. Re: Trumps a brilliant man! by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      Why was he, of all people, the star of that show? Branding and marketing.

      Ummm... because he signed the contract that made him the star of the show?

      So you turned down the contract? They sent contracts to everybody and Trump was the only one who signed?

      Obviously, they chose him out of everybody else based on his personal marketing.

      The creator of the show chose him because of his business in Real Estate, which is the only thing he's successfully marketed.

      They originally had planned to do Trump, and then other moguls such as Richard Branson, Martha Stewart, and Mark Cuban in the following seasons, but instead kept Trump because of his persona.

      Also, I'm pretty sure the marketing was performed by the folks who work at NBC, not Trump himself.

      Really? They were working with him 25 years ago?

      No.

      I was referring to the marketing of the Apprentice, which is honestly the only thing that his celebrity persona is known for, and the various Trump-branded products they pushed on his behalf. NBC did the marketing and branding for what appeared on the show.

      But for the last 25 years his branding and marketing was performed by making large, gaudy, metal prints of his name and attaching them to buildings and properties.

  14. If the tables were turned by p51d007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And, someone was dumping on a Republican candidate, and, they clamped down on his internet, the media and 3/4 of the /. users would be screaming "free speech" all over the place.

    1. Re:If the tables were turned by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

      nd, someone was dumping on a Republican candidate, and, they clamped down on his internet, the media and 3/4 of the /. users would be screaming "free speech" all over the place.

      That's correct! What about Julian Assange's First Amendment rights!

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    2. Re:If the tables were turned by lucm · · Score: 1

      I suspect that while the most vocal and prolific posters on Slashdot seem to be pro-Democrats, the vast majority of silent readers are more pro-Republicans. Outside of Silicon Valley and NYC, engineers tend to be on the conservative side.

      Of course that doesn't mean conservative people are pro-Trump. This election is very testing for voters as both candidates are fairly ridiculous.

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    3. Re:If the tables were turned by kyrsjo · · Score: 0

      I find it to be the other way around - I actually mostly stopped posting on this website a few years ago due to right-wing/conservative trolls who was shouting down everything else than (slightly paraphrased) "America F*k yeah! We use the English language so this is an american site, go somewhere else if you don't agree 110%!" and "Socialist Obama want to enslave us all and take our guns!!", mixed in with a bit of "feet and gallons are the best units, anyone who claims otherwise must be a spy" and "why do we discuss politics? This is a tech site!". And I've spoken to several people who say they did the same thing - reacting not to normal republicans/conservatives, but to such "trolls".

      So I find your claim to be... interesting. On the other hand, maybe things have changed?

    4. Re:If the tables were turned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silent Republicans. That's a funny one.

      It's the Republican/Conservative types that keep all those phone-in talk shows alive. Democrats don't bother.

      And both candidates aren't "fairly ridiculous", both candidates are extremely ridiculous.

    5. Re:If the tables were turned by neoritter · · Score: 2

      Sounds like they had good arguments, you got triggered, and then warped the memory in your mind to a bunch of rednecks shouting "Murica."

    6. Re:If the tables were turned by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Besides your sentence not really making sense grammatically, yes, what's your point?

      Free speech is free regardless of whom you're talking about having it. A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that only speech they agree with should be allowed, but that's just another way of saying they're anti-free speech. So I wouldn't want any candidate silenced, be they Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, or...whoever else we have running that I haven't heard of.

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    7. Re:If the tables were turned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody would even notice because there are millions of people dumping on Trump every day. That's what happens when you are the most hated person on the planet.

    8. Re:If the tables were turned by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      They have contracts with the US gov, mil to worry about. Just reading a site with a codeword that gets stored on their computer is an issue. They know their work and home internet is been logged as part of work "security".
      They know that for the next promotion their internet logs might be looked into for the term "polygraph" over years. Other terms might be of interest to a gov or mil trying to find staff who can still think for themselves and "read" about events.
      They get told not to read sites. All part of working for and protecting "freedom".
      "The most vocal" is usually just faith based or virtue signalling or need to push a political tech narrative to gain as a contractor.
      The sale of more security products, services due to super "hackers" from other nations got pushed a lot over the past weeks.
      The idea that leaks got "faked" vs actual staff having to quit. Staff don't quit over fake news.
      "Will reading WikiLeaks cost students jobs with the federal government?" (December 9, 2010)
      http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CR...
      "Don’t Look, Don’t Read: Government Warns Its Workers Away From WikiLeaks Documents" (Dec 4 2010)
      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12...
      US blocks access to WikiLeaks for federal workers (4 dec 2010)
      https://www.theguardian.com/wo...
      The other aspect is just domestic US gov/mil propaganda been allowed in with the relaxing of the Smith–Mundt Act. A lot of sock puppet accounts.
      The next step will be a flood of US gov workers pushing a "story" under ideas like 'H.R. 5181: Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016"
      https://www.govtrack.us/congre...
      So wait for a new big US bureaucracy with a fun name like "Information Analysis and Response" to really get vocal and create prolific posters :)

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    9. Re:If the tables were turned by lucm · · Score: 1

      And both candidates aren't "fairly ridiculous", both candidates are extremely ridiculous.

      It's like that game, "would you rather...".

      -Would you rather get a blood transfusion in a rural hospital in Uganda or get cornea transplant from a bootleg doctor that runs a clinic from his Motel 6 room

      -Would you rather sleep with Whoopi Goldberg or the drummer fromThe Hansons

      -Would you rather have Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton as a president

      Well at least it's not Jeb Bush vs Michelle Obama.

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    10. Re: If the tables were turned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I suspect that while the most vocal and prolific posters on Slashdot seem to be pro-Democrats, the vast majority of silent readers are more pro-Republicans"

      Which boils down to: Slashdot is pro-democrat. Period.

      By definition if a poster remains silent, first of all they are not posters, and second of all they do not wish to be heard or counted.

      And that is their choice, there's no need to judge negatively here, but their own wishes are specifically not to be counted like you are attempting to do.

    11. Re:If the tables were turned by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      Let's just say that I was not the one that got triggered and went on a rambling rant...

  15. Pretty interesting by GlobalEcho · · Score: 1

    With WikiLeaks (likely) out of play, whoever has been sending WikiLeaks the Democrats' data will either have to find another channel for release, or stop releasing. In the former case, that may give intelligence agencies a better idea of their target.

    I wonder if there was a back-channel conversation with Ecuador -- something like "Whoever is behind this, Ecuador is effectively acting as an accessory to some outside party attempting to alter the US presidential election. Is that *really* how you want us to treat this?"

    1. Re:Pretty interesting by AC-x · · Score: 1

      Why would WikiLeaks be out of play? They don't keep their servers in the Ecuadorian embassy, and they have more than just Assange on their staff.

    2. Re:Pretty interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would WikiLeaks be out of play?
      Assange isn't WikiLeaks. The organization's perfectly capable of accepting and releasing data without their leader. There's already been at least one release since Assange went silent, possibly via deadman switch.
      Persecuting Assange is just assaulting the public face of WikiLeaks, not affecting what it can do.

    3. Re:Pretty interesting by XXongo · · Score: 1
      Yeah, the Wikileaks server isn't in the embassy, this isn't going to stop them from releasing whatever they have to release.

      Basically, I think that the Ecuadorians are getting tired of having a guy live rent-free at their embassy, never leaving the premise, and acting like a privileged scumbag. I think it was fun for them for a week, and now they're having second thoughts and thinking OMG, is this ever going to end?

    4. Re:Pretty interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i expect a new whistle-blowing organization will appear soon, with no ties to Wikileaks, and which allows Trump, or Putin, or whoever, to leak whatever they want without having to have it vetted by a megalomaniacal sociopath. either that, or they can just sent it to McSweeney's.

    5. Re:Pretty interesting by ryllharu · · Score: 1

      As the others have said, Wikileaks isn't out of play at all.

      They've released 1000-2000 emails a day since Assange's internet access was cut. The large media groups just aren't covering any of it. Given that they're estimated to have 35,000-50,000 emails, and have put out some 18,000, they'll continue right up to Election Day.

      That said, I also think Ecuador's reasoning for cutting his access is understandable. They don't want it to look like they are condoning Wikileak's activities, regardless of the motivation behind it or the winner of the US presidential election.

    6. Re:Pretty interesting by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Why would WikiLeaks be out of play?
      Assange isn't WikiLeaks. The organization's perfectly capable of accepting and releasing data without their leader. There's already been at least one release since Assange went silent, possibly via deadman switch.
      Persecuting Assange is just assaulting the public face of WikiLeaks, not affecting what it can do.

      Yes, Assange probably had a 'dead mans switch' set up so that if he didn't keep updating something it would assume that he'd been handed over to the UK authorities by the Ecuadorians and then leak some files that would be very damaging to the Ecuadorian government.

      I kind of hope this is what he's done because he hasn't actually been handed over to the UK authorities and when the files go public the Ecuadorians are going to kick him out of the embassy in his pajamas.

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    7. Re:Pretty interesting by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Freedom is been enthusiastically supported by many sites in many free nations.
      Walk outs from huge political parties, think tanks, gov's, mil's will always find groups who will support whistleblowers.
      Publication in full is now been taken up by more groups.
      Given no legal pathways to get irregularities looked into, its the role of a free press to ensure the wider public has the tools to request request investigations.
      Top party political officials don't quit over fake news.

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    8. Re:Pretty interesting by GlobalEcho · · Score: 1

      As the others have said, Wikileaks isn't out of play at all.

      You're right, they are not necessarily out of play on this. The out-of-play scenario I have in mind (with zero evidence for it, mind you) is that the organization with all this data has been sending it to Assange (or making it available online) encrypted with his public key.

      With Assange unable to handle things, they would have to find another part of Wikileaks they trust to share their publication goals. Perhaps that's not so easy.

    9. Re:Pretty interesting by Xest · · Score: 1

      That theory assumes Ecuadorians are stupid.

      It's also possible they're just as intelligent as the rest of us, and realising that someone is trying to interfere in the election of the world's largest superpower from their embassy could cause a whole lot of political shit that they don't need beyond that they're already willing to accept having given him refuge was sufficient all by itself.

      Really, if my neighbour kicked her husband out and I let him stay at my place next door, but then he started throwing petrol bombs at her out the window every time she walked past, it wouldn't require her to come and threaten me. I'd just tell him to stop it or GTFO simply because I'm not a complete and utter ass. I suspect the same is true of Ecuador.

  16. Election interference by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you learn information about Hillary that she doesn't want you to know, it's called election interference. You people out there need to know your place and learn to just do what your designated leaders tell you. When they want you to know something, they'll tell you.

    1. Re:Election interference by swalve · · Score: 1

      It's interference when it is being done to influence an election. Why nothing about Trump?

    2. Re:Election interference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why indeed? People poking about have discovered the servers appear to have poor security, and you wouldn't even need Wikileaks to disseminate the leaks; so why have no leaks been released?
      (I know the implication in parent's question, but you're insane or a fool if you believe Wikileaks is somehow stopping the media from reporting on any RNC leaks.)

    3. Re:Election interference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Saint Trump is as pure as the driven snow, you insensitive clod!

    4. Re:Election interference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you honestly believe that there is no one out there that would be willing to share leaked emails from the GOP or Trumps campaign?

    5. Re:Election interference by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

      Why nothing about Trump?

      The obvious common-sense explanation is that they don't have anything particularly interesting on Trump.

      Imagine that you actually had something about Trump that was worse than what he always says in public. (I know, it's hard. But try. Maybe "grab the dick" or something.) So you send the information to Wikileaks, and they just sit on it. Weeks go by, you email Julian, "Hey, what about my leak?" and he doesn't reply.

      What would you do?

      I think you would leak through another channel. Wikileaks isn't the only game in town when it comes to media, you know. If you're too lazy to upload the torrent yourself, there just might be a few thousand other media organizations that would be willing to take the information.

      Since this hasn't happened, I think the least extraordinary and most believable explanation, is that there hasn't been a Trump leak. Are you saying that you have come up with an even more likely explanation, where there has been a Trump leak and a conspiracy between every media outlet in the world, led by Wikileaks, to suppress the information in it?

      It's interference when it is being done to influence an election

      Ok, fine. But if that's your definition, then even a paid advertisement or giving a speech would be examples of interference. Why is interference considered noteworthy or undesirable? Shouldn't everyone be interfering with the election? Australia has mandatory vote; I think America should have mandatory interference!

      Unless that's not what you meant. Maybe you meant that interference implies something unsavory? Oh, but then you don't get to apply it to what Wikileaks did. That's quite a dilemma. Have you considered maybe just stop hating Wikileaks, and being grateful that they've already outed and embarrassed the next president? With Trump destroying the Republicans and Clinton already a lame duck, maybe America can have a real election in 2020. Show me one politically-idealistic person, on either the right or left, who doesn't want that to happen.

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    6. Re:Election interference by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      To release things about Trump you have to have them. Unless you can show that they do and are choosing not to release them I don't think this is a valid argument. On top of that, our own media seems to be doing a pretty good job releasing things that show what a deplorable human being Trump is and I support that. I tend to feel that releasing facts that allow people to better understand what really happens is generally a good thing - even if you only happen to have facts on one side.

      That said, I do agree that releasing subsets of the information (especially this late in the game) is concerning. For example, if only the "bad" facts or excerpts that take things out of context are being released, that is very concerning. For that reason, I wish they would release the whole set at once and be done with it; in a timely manner that allows for thorough review of all the information so that people can make an educated decision. The fact that they haven't done so and aren't saying that things are being withheld to allow for appropriate redaction (to protect innocent people or the security of people or nations) is highly problematic.

    7. Re:Election interference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but - no dirt on Trump whatsoever? Really??

    8. Re:Election interference by jmv · · Score: 1

      I think the line is about leaking important information vs plain doxing. The original Wikileaks leak with Manning was at least *supposed* to be controlled and have only journalists analyze the data to figure out what's relevant vs what was just going to cause conflicts (country X said something bad about country Y to country Z) for no reason. Of course, someone screwed up and the entire thing became public, but at least it seemed like the intent was to do things right. In this case, it seems to be about dumping everything in public, regardless of whether it's information the public should know. This is more like doxing. In some way, maybe the good thing for Hilary is that there's so much noise in there that few people are paying attention and anything actually bad in there is probably drowned out by the noise.

    9. Re:Election interference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > When they want you to know something, they'll tell you.

      That's right. When they tell you:

        - the Russians hacked the DNC
        - North Korea hacked Sony
        - a crappy anti-Mohammed movie caused riots in Benghazi

      you should be a good citizen and believe them.

    10. Re:Election interference by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Well maybe Trump hasn't done anything particularly outrageous other than a few sophomoric ramblings from a decade ago and some ill-thought out sentence fragments more recently while trying to pander to a particular group.
      Anything Trump does is over-shadowed by the Clinton campaign.
      Example Trump is outed by a hot-mic in a sophomoric claim that female groupies let him fondle their genitals and kiss them because he's a star. Just when this is starting to get some traction he apologises.
      Then we find out the recording was edited, so we wouldn't hear Billy Bush egging him on.
      After that several women come forward with similar claims we then find out the Democratic Super PAC Correct the Record was paying them.

      Over and over again, anything that Clinton says about Trump, she has done herself, done worse, done for longer or has enabled someone else to have done worse.

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  17. Weiner Pics by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    At least Ecuador cutting off Assange's broadband has absolutely nothing to do with his texting pictures of his dick to an 8 year-old.

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    1. Re:Weiner Pics by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Yes that's totally a thing that happened and not a completely obvious DNC smear campaign.

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    2. Re:Weiner Pics by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yes that's totally a thing that happened and not a completely obvious DNC smear campaign.

      You mean to tell me that Hillary Clinton now controls the United Nations? LOCK HER UP!

      How deep does this rabbit hole go?

      http://www.inquisitr.com/36092...

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    3. Re:Weiner Pics by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      The whole thing has already been debunked. Part 1 and Park 2. It's the sloppiest smear job I've ever seen. You should spread it around like crazy because when someone easily debunks it it helps play into our narrative that the DNC is crooked beyond measure and their supporters like you are either disgusting liars or mad fools. Even the wicked are made to serve God's plan.

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    4. Re:Weiner Pics by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I'm going to hold off running around claiming Assange has done anything of the sort until I see respected mainstream news outlets reporting the story, and covering the points that Wikileaks and others have suggested make the story suspicious.

      Assange is, for better or worse, a man with a target on his back. Part of his antipathy against Clinton is undoubtedly because of that (Clinton has joked about "droning" him - and while he almost certainly didn't know that specifically when he turned his guns on her, it's improbable he hasn't linked her to the attacks on Wikileaks, and himself, during the last few years.) Just as with the rape charges, there are reasons to doubt the allegations are legitimate. As it is, your own link suggests at least one nation state involved didn't feel it worth pressing the case. Lack of a credible case? Seems highly probable.

      I'm not a fan of Assange's involvement in this election - he seems to ignore the extreme situation the US is in, though I guess from his ideological position it doesn't matter. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that especially goes for people likely to be the targets of smear campaigns.

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    5. Re:Weiner Pics by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The whole thing has already been debunked. Part 1 [twitter.com] and Park 2 [twitter.com].

      For those of you with better things to do, those links are to Wikileak's twitter account, which then link to randos on Reddit.

      Draw your own conclusions.

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    6. Re:Weiner Pics by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I'm going to hold off running around claiming Assange has done anything of the sort until I see respected mainstream news outlets reporting the story

      Do you use the same standard for the Wikileaks documents?

      Speak up, I didn't hear that.

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    7. Re:Weiner Pics by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Data's all sourced, friend. It actually all links right back to the same PAC as in O'Keffe's videos, so it's corroborating those, too. It's a twofer.

      The only question people then need to ask is, when you're shilling this stuff around, is it because:

      1) You know it's false, but it accomplishes your political goal, meaning you're evil.

      2) You're literally too fucking stupid to understand the fraud.

      I think it's #1. Little of #2. You are pretty damn dumb. But I don't think you're so dumb you don't know what you're doing.

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    8. Re:Weiner Pics by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Uh yeah. I've been pretty vocal here in my criticisms of the Wikileaks documents and how they've been taken. You might want to click on people's comment history before assuming they're a RWNJ. (Example)

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    9. Re:Weiner Pics by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Actually this post better states my position, FW(L)IW.

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    10. Re:Weiner Pics by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Regarding the Assange pedophilia charge...

      Data's all sourced, friend. It actually all links right back to local police and the United Nations.

      If you don't want to accept it, that's on you. We are all entitled to our hero-worship fantasies.

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    11. Re:Weiner Pics by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry I made an assumption about you, squiggleslash. Please accept my sincere apology.

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  18. Whaa whaa whaa, Trump's a victim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You Trump spinners, hoisted by your own past bullshit.

    Remember when Assange leaked all about the Bush war on Terra with the diplomatic leaks? And the collateral damage video?

    Hannity: Assange should be arrested. United States should “go after” Assange and “arrest him” for “waging [a] war against the U.S.”
    New Gingrich: Assange is a terrorist and an enemy combatant.
    Fox News Bob Beckel excoriated Assange for leaking the State Department cables that have roiled the world in the past week, and said that American special forces should kill him....“A dead man can’t leak stuff,” Beckel said. “This guy’s a traitor, he’s treasonous, and he has broken every law of the United States. And I’m not for the death penalty, so...there’s only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a bitch.”

    The conservative Republican media WANTED ASSANGE MURDERED to censor him. They are not defenders of free speech, they don't defend journalism, they call them terrorists and demand they be murdered.

    1. Re:Whaa whaa whaa, Trump's a victim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beckel is NOT a conservative in any way.

    2. Re:Whaa whaa whaa, Trump's a victim! by Kreplock · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bob Beckel did work for Fox for awhile, but he is by no means a conservative republican.

    3. Re:Whaa whaa whaa, Trump's a victim! by omnichad · · Score: 2

      treasonous

      This is my favorite word used against Assange. He's Australian - how did he betray Australia with his actions?

    4. Re:Whaa whaa whaa, Trump's a victim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Beckel is and was a Democrat - campaign manager for Walter Mondale in 1984 for example (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...).

      That is the thing about Fox, they do have both sides even on the opinion shows. (And I've supported what Assange does since his first post. Ditto Snowden).

    5. Re:Whaa whaa whaa, Trump's a victim! by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      New DNC smear campaign Assange sided with the emus.

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    6. Re:Whaa whaa whaa, Trump's a victim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I grow up, I want to be a Fox News, just like Bob Beckel. Who the hell modded parent up?

    7. Re:Whaa whaa whaa, Trump's a victim! by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Beckel said. “This guy’s a traitor, he’s treasonous, and he has broken every law of the United States. And I’m not for the death penalty, so...there’s only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a bitch.”

      I suppose you think Geraldo Rivera is a conservative republican too, a token liberal, but they are hardy a conservative. What you're not noticing is Assange is specifically targeting Clinton and he doing that because he's actually read the diplomatic cables stolen by Manning and he knows the difference between Clinton's public position and her private position. He is literally trying to protect the world from Hillary Clinton and the world need the protection.

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    8. Re:Whaa whaa whaa, Trump's a victim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Gingrich, same as the old Gingrich unfortunately.

  19. If he used vi this wouldn't be a problem by AC-x · · Score: 1

    If he used vi this wouldn't be a problem, he'd be able to do all his work just fine over a 300 baud acoustic coupler!

    On a serious note I still don't get what the big deal is, as even if for some reason he's not allowed to use obvious things like 3G, surely all he needs to do is co-ordinate things with other wikileaks staff over the phone?

  20. Probably the right thing to do by mossy+the+mole · · Score: 1

    From a diplomatic perspective its probably the right call for the equadorian government - haveing a person under their protection affecting the US election would be seen as interferance And of course they can use this as an example of diplomatic condut when they next have an election...

    1. Re:Probably the right thing to do by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0

      So you support censorship. Good to know...

    2. Re:Probably the right thing to do by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Dems love censoring true information about the Clintons almost as much as they like making unsubstantiated allegations against Trump.

    3. Re:Probably the right thing to do by Rei · · Score: 1

      #Risottogate

      I think you should just march in there and grab the Ecuadorian ambassador by the pussy. Don't even wait. When you're famous, you can get away with it.

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    4. Re:Probably the right thing to do by mossy+the+mole · · Score: 1

      So you support censorship. Good to know...

      No, thats not what I said - If he was anywhere but in an embassy it would be totally unjistified. But as he is in an embassy it puts the equadorian government in the position of being seen to support someone trying to influence the electon in the US. Diplomats arent supposed to do that

    5. Re:Probably the right thing to do by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      Dems don't have to make unsubstantiated allegations against Trump. He does it to himself.

    6. Re:Probably the right thing to do by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      #Risottogate

      Say what you like. A friend of mine once put all the stock in at once. He was found with five bullet holes in his back from an apparent suicide.

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  21. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a ganious

  22. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    I did a google search for the source of that quote. Just one hit. So, as far as I can tell, Hillary originally said that in a slashdot post on October 13, 2016: https://science.slashdot.org/c...

    (Apparently she doesn't have an account, though, because she was posting as AC.)

  23. Re:I.e. EAT SHIT AND DIE - RAPPER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rapping children.

    This is why spelling is important!

  24. First Amendment is not Applicable by XXongo · · Score: 2
    Is this intended as irony?

    Assange is in the Ecuadorian embassy-- technically part of Ecuador-- in Great Britain.

    Neither one of these contries use the United States Constitution's bill of rights.

    1. Re:First Amendment is not Applicable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AND Assange is not and never has been a US Citizen.

      These days, even US Citizens are denied rights by the US Government the instant they remove foot from US soil. So why expect a foreigner in a foreign embassy in a foreign country to rate US Citizen rights and protections?

    2. Re:First Amendment is not Applicable by Megol · · Score: 1

      Diplomacy rules are that for most intents and purposes embassy areas are treated as belonging to the country owning the embassy. That doesn't mean that they really are.

    3. Re:First Amendment is not Applicable by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Yes it does. The embassy is considered sovereign ground of the embassy owner, it's the reason the embassy can station their own armed military troops on the ground to guard it. This is also why a country invading the embassy of another country is such a big deal diplomatically. There is a process for the country to revoke the embassy but it's involved and will draw retaliatory action from that country on your embassy in their country.

      Honestly it's happened only a couple times that someone has invaded or closed an embassy since the diplomatic accords were signed because everyone but a few nutcases recognizes that diplomacy is important. And more importantly without an embassy in the country you have no way whatsoever to assist your citizens in that country or for your citizens to get visa's to travel to that country. Most people forget that embassies serve a very important role of providing travel visa's, something that is like 95% of the importance of the embassy because without travel visa's international business halts.

  25. Well... by Ecuador · · Score: 2

    He could at least offer to share the utility bills. I mean the security costs for the embassy have risen a lot due to him being there, part of the broadband cost is the least he could do...

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    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see what you did there!

  26. The Silent Majority Fails to Speak by XXongo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect that while the most vocal and prolific posters on Slashdot seem to be pro-Democrats

    I haven't notice that.

    I'd like to see statistics.

    , the vast majority of silent readers are more pro-Republicans.

    That was an argument originally made by Richard Nixon! How can you disprove that the "silent majority" favored him, when they're silent? The really great thing about that argument is that it is supported by the absence of facts: you're pointing to the silence as support for what you say.

    1. Re:The Silent Majority Fails to Speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the election of 1972 "proved" the silent majority favored him:
      Electoral vote: Nixon: 520 McGovern: 17
      States carried: Nixon: 49 McGovern: 1 + DC
      ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... )

      It does seem that Slashdot posting has gone from more libertarian to more authoritarian/socialist over the past 18 years I've been reading it.

    2. Re:The Silent Majority Fails to Speak by neoritter · · Score: 1

      Man Richard Nixon and his observant inferences about Slashdot!

    3. Re:The Silent Majority Fails to Speak by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Or, more usefully: 60.7% to 37.5% of the popular vote. Quoting electoral college figures aren't worth much most of the time due to districting and winner-take-all.

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    4. Re:The Silent Majority Fails to Speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is called "voting".

      I'm not saying it is true, especially across the country. But look at the republican primaries...I never took Trump seriously, and didn't think he had a chance (I'm fairly conservative too). I only heard ONE person let it be known they were pro-trump, between all my family, friends, co-workers, clients, etc. I have to believe a decent portion of them voted for him given the numbers he had in my district...I think they were embarrassed by him (so stayed silent), but also agreed with a lot of his stances.

      Right now I know a lot of people that think Trump is disgusting, but are likely going to vote for him because although they don't like him as a person, they disagree fundamentally with Clinton's positions.

  27. The story behind the story by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Troll
    http://www.inquisitr.com/36092...

    It must get lonely living in an embassy for years. Then again, there's a world full of actual adult women that you can do this with without getting into trouble.

    A lot of smoke around some people's online hero. 8 years old? Jeezuz, that's gross.

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    1. Re:The story behind the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not clicking on that article, as I'm at work. But does it mention the fact that the "8-year old" Assange is alleged to have talked dirty to was signed on to a dating site using her 22-year old sister's account and profile? Because that's the story I read last night. And in that case, can we really prove that Assange was aware that he was talking to an underage girl? I'd say no. And I'd say if there even was an 8-year old involved, which I doubt, it's an obvious frame-up. Super obvious, like anyone with two brain cells to rub together can tell it's a setup.

      And honestly, I'm not even sure where I stand on Assange, some days I think he's a good guy, some days not. But do you honestly believe that someone in his position, being in exile from basically the entire civilized world for treason/espionage/whatever the TLA/governments think he did-would be stupid enough to talk dirty to an 8-year old girl over the Internet? Assange may be a lot of things depending on which side of history you're on, but he's not stupid, not at all.

      I mean let's assume for the moment that he IS a pedo (which of course is bullshit, it's standard course when someone is being smeared), but assuming he likes little girls, do you HONESTLY believe someone in his position would knowingly go talk to an 8-year old about anal sex over the internet he knows is completely bugged and traced and watched like a hawk. That's just plain ignorant, any anyone who believes such a cockamamie story at this point just wants to be lied to.

    2. Re:The story behind the story by gay358 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't fall for that very crudely made smearing attempt of Assange. It is incredible that they are trying to smear with this as it doesn't stand up under close scrutiny. Check for yourself about some of the details and how this is connected to Hillary Clinton:

      GUYS. THE SHILLS ARE UP TO SOMETHING WITH ASSANGE! NOT A DRILL. PLEASE LOOK! FRAMING IN PROGRESS!
      https://www.reddit.com/r/The_D...

      Background and Documents on Attempts to Frame Assange as a Pedophile and Russian spy
      https://www.wikileaks.org/Back...

      WikiLeaks on Twitter: "Internet sleuths connect Clinton to mysterious intelligence contractor associated with Assange false accusations
      https://twitter.com/wikileaks/...

      WikiLeaks on Twitter: "Internet sleuths connect Clinton to mysterious intelligence contractor associated with Assange false accusations 2
      https://twitter.com/wikileaks/...

    3. Re:The story behind the story by gay358 · · Score: 1

      Look even more closely about the details of those accusations, it is incredible how poorly made the smear attempt against Asssange really is. For example, the dating site seems to be more or less fake site, which some strange UN connection, with conflicting, unbelievable and missing information etc.

    4. Re:The story behind the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but he's a pervert, Dude.
      When he moves to Ecuador, he has to go door to door to tell everyone he is a pederast.

    5. Re:The story behind the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Somehow, the girlâ(TM)s parents became aware of their daughterâ(TM)s online activity, and they were somehow able to identify Julian Assange as the adult their child was interacting with."

      Guilty by reason of Somehow.

    6. Re:The story behind the story by gay358 · · Score: 2

      I recommend you to study this even more closely, but here are some of the completely unbelievable things in this smear attempt against Assange:

      "Their yellowpages site says they have been in business 5 years. http://www.yellowpages.com/hou...
      Ok so how many times has this link been shared on reddit? I googled the URL specific to this site, and it's only come up three times. All within the last 24 hours."

      "This shady dating site claims to be the "ONLY Dating Site to ever partner with the UN Initiative" (Now that's fucking odd...) AND THEY JUST GOT KICKED OUT OF THE UN FIVE DAYS AGO?!?!"

      "Todd Hammonds LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/to... (It's fucking nothing) But it does say he lives in SF. I'm in the Bay Area also, I could pay a visit to offices if we can actually find any legitimate offices...
      Their Dating Site Eventbrite page. Only one event for the fastest growing dating website that has married 3,000 people since 2011???
      Here is the LinkedIn of "Kate Hogan," this is the person who wrote the "Press Release" about ToddAndClare accusing Assange of sexual misconduct. https://www.linkedin.com/in/ka...
      Of course she's got only 1 connection, and no other real information anywhere. Also, the phone number listed in the press release rings twice and then immediately disconnects. But it doesn't give a recording, it just says "call failed" I've never really experienced that. Anyway you'd think that someone who just put out a press release regarding the UN and Assange would have a working phone!
      http://www.prweb.com/releases/...
      Here's their bullshit subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/todda... (No posts in three months)
      Here's their weird "book" that they wrote about starting their company 5 years ago. Notice how every review is exactly 189 days old and all are very short and positive. This is shilling no doubt about it. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/..."

      "How can their site, registered 20 sep 2015, claim 3000 marriages by November 2 2015? http://m.imgur.com/6BqmZPY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=..."

      "Thanks to /u/ChrissFinn for linking the email from Wikileaks that ToddAndClare originally sent to Assange to get all this started. They offer him $1 million dollars to do some sort of commercial. This is obviously a scam because they don't have a million dollars, they don't even have a legitimate mailing address or working fucking phone numbers! This was a set up from the very beginning!"

      " all users images are cropped and mirrored and can be reverse google image searched to other locations. Plus none of the employees seem to exist. Email between Jullian and T&C.com https://wikileaks.org/IMG/pdf/... -Honeypot to get him to accept russian funds and discredit his leaks, failed, so they accused him of pedophilia instead. When searched for. The ToddandClare business location is actually identical to this company "Premise Data Corporation" https://local.yahoo.com/info-1... Here you can view its team page http://www.premise.com/ourteam... Who's board of directors has guess who "Larry Summers" Who goes by "Lawrence Summers" in "The Center for American Progress" Superpac

    7. Re:The story behind the story by gay358 · · Score: 2

      It seems that Hillarys campaing is usign extremely dirty tricks. Not just paying to cause violence on Trumps rallies, bussing people to vote several times, but also this pedophilia/Russian 1 million dollars smear against Assange:

      https://sli.mg/20GoW2

      https://i.sli.mg/RauCjp.jpg

      https://wikileaks.org/IMG/pdf/...

    8. Re:The story behind the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am more concerned that, as the article states, a one-off dating website based in Texas has direct UN ties, and you find that normal.

    9. Re:The story behind the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look a bit deeper into that story and you find a porn site that hasn't existed for very long that allegedly partnered with the UN (what!?!) and then released a press release only for this. So, the site is shady as hell, hasn't existed for long, and appears to be something that only exists for this purpose. All the profiles at the site appear to be utterly fake, as well.

    10. Re:The story behind the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, many of us do think that the UN would be happy to extend their global oligarchy to the depth of telling people in Texas who to date.

      Apparently they do.

    11. Re:The story behind the story by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. This is the most transparent smear campaign I've ever seen.

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    12. Re:The story behind the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accusations from the same (fake) company that tried to get Assange to take $1M from a Russian account. The same company that has ties to higher-ups in the Clinton campaign.

      Yeah, seems legit /s

    13. Re:The story behind the story by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      The man had sex with at least one unconscious women (sleeping), I don't doubt much after such actions. There is no situation where I think having sex with someone that can't provide consent is ok.

    14. Re:The story behind the story by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Then again, there's a world full of actual adult women that you can do this with without getting into trouble.

      You know, like those two Swedish women who are charging him with rape.

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    15. Re:The story behind the story by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      I've had a female start raping me (sucking my cock) while I was unconscious (sleeping, about to wake up), and I am confused. Am I a rape victim?

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    16. Re:The story behind the story by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I don't know. Were you okay with how you were awakened? Had you given any indication that that would be liked or disliked? The woman Assange had sex with while she was asleep was not OK with it, particularly since he wasn't wearing a condom.

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    17. Re:The story behind the story by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      WTF? You Clinton-haters usually assume that the Clintons do all sorts of evil and nefarious things without getting caught. Now you say Hillary can't put together a decent smear campaign? If the Clintons can leave a trail of bodies behind them without being accused or indicted, they can definitely do a good smear campaign.

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    18. Re:The story behind the story by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      WTF? You Clinton-haters usually assume that the Clintons do all sorts of evil and nefarious things without getting caught.

      Broad generalization, but okay.

      Now you say Hillary can't put together a decent smear campaign?

      Al Capone was widely assumed to do all sorts of evil and nefarious things without getting caught. Now people say he couldn't even do his taxes right?

      If the Clintons can leave a trail of bodies behind them without being accused or indicted, they can definitely do a good smear campaign.

      If they haven't been accused, then why do you say they can leave a trail of bodies? Nobody's accusing them of that, per your own words. Furthermore, it's not clear that they failed to do a good smear campaign. There are many headlines about Assange being a pedophile, but not too many about how this accusation was brought forth by a non-existent entity. If that doesn't constitute a good smear campaign, then what does?

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    19. Re:The story behind the story by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's been a lot of posts about them pushing a transparent smear campaign, and a lot claiming that they've killed people without being credibly accused or indicted, and I'm amused by the contrast.

      Capone knew how to fill out his taxes (or, more likely, had someone do it for him). His mistake was in not declaring at least some of his illegal income. He didn't have to declare all of it, because it's a lot easier to prove someone had substantial illegal income than how much they made.

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  28. Re:I.e. EAT SHIT AND DIE - RAPPER! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    I wasn't aware he was accused of rapping on pre teens, isn't that more of a kanye west thing?

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  29. Assange was the real actor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Assange says : "State Sponsored Actor cut my Internet". You Trump supporters then came out screaming that the NSA had done it to protect Hillary, and did your 'rigged' election speeches.

    Yet he could simply hand a memory stick to a friend and get around that, or his friends could lend him a 3G phone, or open an access point nearby.

    Assange played you. Where is his October Surprise? He promised some big secret that would turn the election, and put Trump in the Whitehouse. Yet the emails he leaks are dull as dishwater. You lot don't keep quoting the emails, because she goes on and on about trade and finance, and peace and climate and b-o-r-i-n-g stuff that politicians talk about.

    Presumably 'grab their pussy' Trump is more to Assange's liking and that's why he wants him in the Whitehouse, but he doesn't have an October surprise. He only has a lot of innuendo and misdirection. .... "State Sponsored Actor is trying to stop me leak my amazing leaks...."

    1. Re:Assange was the real actor by butzwonker · · Score: 1

      I'm not a Trump supporter at all. Neither am I a Clinton supporter. But I do support Wikileaks, have always done so in the past, and plan to do it in the future.

    2. Re:Assange was the real actor by cbraescu1 · · Score: 1

      I'm not a Trump supporter at all. Neither am I a Clinton supporter. But I do support Wikileaks, have always done so in the past, and plan to do it in the future.

      Well, hello Mr. Putin...

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    3. Re:Assange was the real actor by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 1

      I also don't support Putin in any way whatsoever, because he is known to be a poison murderer, has annexed the Crimea, wages an illegal war against the Ukraine, and is responsible for various war crimes and crimes against humanity.

  30. One sided [Re:And yet] by XXongo · · Score: 1

    preventing the distribution of information relevant to the candidates, Ecuador effectively allows the influence to be heavily one sided.

    And, pray tell, which "one side" are we talking about?

    Wikileaks is leaking material only stolen from the Democrats, not anything stolen from Republicans.

    That's one sided, by definition.

    Actually, I'd very much be curious to see equivalent material stolen from the other side.

    1. Re:One sided [Re:And yet] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read what you replied to again. Even just the bit you quoted.

    2. Re:One sided [Re:And yet] by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      On the balance scale what's coming out the Republicans are balanced fairly well by what comes out of Trump's own mouth.

    3. Re:One sided [Re:And yet] by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Actually, I'd very much be curious to see equivalent material stolen from the other side.

      I would, too. I suspect it would help Trump, as the RNC email would consist of the GOP establishment shitting on Trump. It would help prove his claims of a "rigged" system in the Republican primaries.

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    4. Re:One sided [Re:And yet] by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd very much be curious to see equivalent material stolen from the other side.

      So go steal it! Why are people acting so entitled yet unwilling to do the work?

      This is like complaining about the arrest of John Wayne Gacy because they haven't arrested Jeffrey Dahmer yet. If you wanna complain about Dahmer, fine, but quit bitching about Gacy's arrest.

      WHERE IS YOUR INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT TO LEAK? Supply it. Wikileaks will probably be happy to help you. And if they aren't, guess what: Wikileaks totally and completely lacks the capability to prevent you from leaking it yourself, or getting someone else to help you do it.

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      "Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
    5. Re:One sided [Re:And yet] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump doesn't use email. Therefore, no leaks possible.

    6. Re:One sided [Re:And yet] by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      Why are people blaming Wikileaks for that?

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      "Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
    7. Re:One sided [Re:And yet] by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Arrests by law enforcement officers with proper warrants are perfectly legal. Breaking into private servers isn't. You're saying that, if I'm complaining about my house being broken into, I should break into yours instead.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  31. More than can be said about the U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Ecuador government respects the principle of non-intervention in other countries' affairs, it does not meddle in election processes underway, nor does it support any candidate specially."

    That's kind, and much more than can be said about the U.S., and their attitude towards you and other South American countries.

  32. Ah, how refreshing! by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    I just knew this article would provoke stimulating and well thought out ideas, in a non-partisan way.

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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
  33. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you haven't been reading the Podesta leaks, then we can't help your ignorant and non-involved ass. Go educate yourself or shut the fuck up.

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    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  34. Kick that stupid mother fucker smooth out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the fuck is wrong with you.

  35. Everyone is dirty.... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've got mixed feelings on this.

    They are all dirty- Trump, Clinton, and Assange. We all know about Trump and Clinton.

    Assange is trying to strike out against a particular candidate, with stolen materials, which are unverified, and seeking some sort of revenge. So has become a defacto participant in the election process- as a foreign actor.

    No matter how you dice it, everyone is dirty.

    Ecuador on the other hand says: "Assange is trying to influence a foreign election from our embassy and we do not want to engage in that activity".

    The only people with principles in this American election- are apparently Ecuador. How sad is that?

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    Another consultant who stuck it out.

    "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
    1. Re:Everyone is dirty.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people with principles in this American election- are apparently Ecuador.

      This, I doubt. Mostly likely (1) Ecuador doesn't want Trump to win the election or (2) more likely they see that Clinton is certain to win the election and they see no reason to needless piss-off the new Clinton Presidency. This notion of "principles" and claims about caring about not meddling in foreign elections seems pretty laughable. Unless, as others have suggested, it's in the future to discourage the US from doing the same to Ecuador. To that end, I don't trust the CIA at all to not do such a thing regardless. So this is merely Ecuador trying to duck their head down a little to not be first in line if/when such a thing happens.

    2. Re:Everyone is dirty.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like pragmatism.

      Ecuador was happy to contribute to the mudslinging for a while. Now they're getting cold feet. I'm guessing it's more fear of consequences than any sort of principles. The damage is already done anyway, so it's a convenient time for them to get some brownie points with the USA by paying lip service to the idea that they're against interfering in other countries' elections.

      (FWIW, the USA itself is a pro at interfering in other countries' elections, especially in Latin America, though I believe Obama has really curtailed that kind of meddling.)

    3. Re:Everyone is dirty.... by gnu-sucks · · Score: 1

      Would you say though, that when the New York Times posted old version of Trump's tax returns, that they were influencing an election? And this is with data that was stolen too.

      I hate both candidates, let me be clear. Both have despicable character, do not appear trustworthy, and come with baggage.

      Any useful information about either candidate will influence the election. What the Embassy should have said is that he was influencing an election in a way they didn't like. Or at least, in a way that someone with power in Ecuador doesn't like.

    4. Re:Everyone is dirty.... by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      So your definition of "having principles" is trying to stop someone from revealing the truth that one of our candidates has apparently admitted to her campaign contributors that some/many/all of her public positions are lies ?

      I'm certainly not pro-Trump, but revealing truth about our politicians or prospective politicians is almost never a bad thing, and attempting to suppress that truth from coming out is almost never a good thing. No one deserves to be patted on the back for helping to keep the American people in the dark, regardless of everyones' motives here.

  36. Too many paid shills vs organic posters by mike2006 · · Score: 1

    Here is hoping once the election is over the number of paid verbatim talking points posters for the DNC/Hillary campaign will drop off here and the level of discourse will return to the old days. They are going to have to do better than repeatedly the false talking against Wikileaks coming out of the DNC establishment if they want people to believe their propaganda. I know we went through this before the the R establishment in the Bush years but not to the volume that we are seeing from the other side.

    1. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by beheaderaswp · · Score: 1

      This.

      You know when Trump lost his RNC funding the pro Trump posters seemed to disappear.

      Now he picked up a cool million and they are back.

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      Another consultant who stuck it out.

      "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
    2. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Ah yes, the old "always accuse your opponent of doing what you're doing." Correct the Record actually exists. Has FEC filings and everything. Show me the tiniest bit of evidence of paid Trump shills.

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    3. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the old "always accuse your opponent of doing what you're doing." Correct the Record actually exists. Has FEC filings and everything. Show me the tiniest bit of evidence of paid Trump shills.

      While we know that the DNC hired mobs to riot at Trump rallies, I highly doubt that either Clinton or Trump would bother to hire shills to post on /.

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      Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
    4. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I agree with that. I haven't seen anything that looks like CTR on /.

      Reddit and 4chan, absolutely, but nobody's bothering with fucking slashdot. Especially when you can easily see anybody's UID, and date it.

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    5. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by penandpaper · · Score: 0

      Show me the tiniest bit of evidence of paid Trump shills.

      Isn't it obvious? The evidence is your post. Now you may say that your post doesn't 'prove' anything but let's be honest; no one really supports Trump except for paid shills and actors. I have no evidence for this except that lots of people don't like Trump. Not mentioning the posts I have read that correct the record from misinformation spewed out by biased places like Wikileaks, the FBI, and FOIA requests. Clinton has fact checkers that remove the spin put out by evil republicans and evil Hitler 2.0.

      The republicans want to kill you and your family and want to start WW3. Hillary is the answer to every problem you have. If you disagree obviously you are being paid off because no one wants WW3.

    6. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      no one wants WW3.

      [Citation Needed]. After everything I've seen this election, cleansing nuclear fire sounds downright peachy.

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    7. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Rule of Acquisition #34: War is good for business.

    8. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would payments from Putin show up in FEC filings?

    9. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Why would something you pulled out of your ass show up in FEC filings?

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    10. Re:Too many paid shills vs organic posters by jeek · · Score: 1

      Very interesting. I would like to learn more about this Rule #34. To the Googles!

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      If you want to be seen, stand up. If you want to be heard, speak up. If you want to be respected, sit down and shut up.
  37. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Is that useless election still not over? How long does it take to decide which muppet's cronies are going to plunder the country for the next 4 years?

    You act as if it really made any difference to you. Seriously, do you really care which thief is going to rob your home? You're not the one who is going to receive the loot, so why bother?

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  38. Moral High Ground by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, however the reason that Ecuador feels the need to thumb their noses (by offering refuge) at the US is that they are a little angry about the US meddling in Ecuadorian affairs, least of all their own government processes. By allowing Assange to do the same with the US election they would be seen as a bit hypocritical. By not allowing, or more accurately by *publicly* not allowing they are taking the moral high ground, not only thumbing their collective noses again, but drawing to attention the afore mentioned fact. I wouldn't be surprised if they were fully aware of what he was doing and this was all planned out in advance (or at least they took proper advantage of the situation as it evolved).

    Slow golf clap. wp.

  39. Anyone who voted Obama did just that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    You voted for Obama, you got the "unlimited government" plan.

    How's that working out for you?

    Obama's government doesn't just cut off Assange from the internet help it's succession, it does drone strikes to kill US citizens, it works with the press to embargo criticism.

    And a whole lot of other things corrosive to democracy and freedom.

    But, hey, it's PROGRESS!!!!!.

    Yay.

    Vote Hillary! and get more of the same.

    1. Re: Anyone who voted Obama did just that by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Look prole, we're smarter than you and better organised. It's your role to get your instructions on how to act from our news outlets.

      You and your wage-slave peers exist at our whim as long as you man our prisons, fight our wars, prosecute those who would act against us.

      There will never be a successful opposition to our reign because our organisation dwarfs yours; rise up against us and you're peers will arrest you, try you, incarcerate you within a system we created running on rules we require to serve our interests.

      Every cover-up, leak, scandal, murder, war is calculated to serve our interests.

      Get back to work or your neighbour is coming for you!

    2. Re: Anyone who voted Obama did just that by BlackSabbath · · Score: 1

      And don't think for one minute that you can escape your fate by "voting for the other guy". That particular scam is our greatest achievement- the illusion of choice. Whoever you vote for, you will never be rid of us for we are the unelected. Whether you vote for the general, the crook, the farmer, the actor, the oil man, the lawyer, the black man, the orange man or the woman - we decide your fate.

      Everything that has transpired has done so according to our design. It is unavoidable. It is your destiny. Young fool! Only now, at the end, do you understand.

    3. Re: Anyone who voted Obama did just that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is every American this paranoid? Thinking there's a plan for this clusterfuck of a society is laughable. Grow some balls and stop imitating everything you see, show some originality for christs sake.

    4. Re: Anyone who voted Obama did just that by BlackSabbath · · Score: 1

      Whoosh!

  40. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  41. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

    I believe it was compliant and unaware voters. A differnce without distinction except to those who do not know how to properly use google.

  42. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go to a Trump rally and advocate for liberal causes, see how quickly you get assaulted, chances are its going to be damn fast.

    Just saying.

  43. Somebody beam him some wifi by DougDot · · Score: 1

    Stat

  44. Hitlary must have threatened with reginme change by johanw · · Score: 1

    Now that Trump risks loosing the election because some prudes don't like him being rude in private the Ecuadorian government must be getting affraid of the tried and tested concepts of an "orange revolution","spring" or just a simple coup organised by the CIA on a command of Hillary.

  45. protip: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trolls don't necessarily adhere to the views they espouse.
    maybe your sarcasm meter needs adjustment.

  46. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did a google search for the source of that quote. Just one hit. So, as far as I can tell, Hillary originally said that in a slashdot post on October 13, 2016: https://science.slashdot.org/c...

    (Apparently she doesn't have an account, though, because she was posting as AC.)

    I googled for "hillary wikileaks compliant uneducated" and, eventually, ended up here. It's an email from someone named "Bill Ivey" at globalculturalstrategies.com talking to John Podesta about how to deal with Trump's celebrity and TV air time. There's a quote in there about unawareness and compliance:

    And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly.

    Not a quote from Hillary, but a quote from a discussion her campaign manager had with what is presumably a consultant firm they use for strategizing.

  47. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry.

    As always, context is key.

    First, that quote came from Bill Ivy, in an email to John Podesta -- this is not Hillary's statement, and there's no indication of whether or not she agrees with or condones that statement. So, while it's a rather ugly sentiment, to declare that it's reflective of Hillary's position, absent other data, is impossible.

    Second, the comment is made in the context of counteracting Trump's strong presence in the media:

    Money isn’t all that important if you can conflate entertainment with the electoral process. Trump masters TV, TV so-called news picks up and repeats and repeats to death this opinionated blowhard and his hairbrained ideas, free-floating discontent attaches to a seeming strongman and we’re off and running.

    What he is lamenting is the strategic position the campaign finds itself in: for so long, their strategy has been to "demean government and drop civics," and the result is an electorate that takes Donald Trump's positions about government and civics seriously.

    Given the repeated condemnations I've seen here in the past few years of the intelligence and critical thinking ability of the average US voter here on Slashdot, I wouldn't think this to be a controversial statement. What he is noting is that both political parties have been happy to cultivate unthinking and obedient voters, and now, when they need the voters to actually do some critical thinking... they're having difficulties with it.

    I actually give him high marks for that comment - he's willing to declare that their strategy has failed them, and needs to change such that the political conversation turns back to actual civics once more.

    Or were you just knee-jerking because he used the word "conspire", and Trump 2016 has taught you that knee-jerk reactions are the best way to govern?

  48. Who runs that fake site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://archive.fo/VApsq

    Looks like that site is run by Hillary's PAC and is otherwise shady as hell. You can't really expect us to believe that nonsense can you?

  49. Ecuador's Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ecuador has made their endorsement very clear.

    Ecuador is for the Clinton Crime Family.

    Ecuador should have stayed un-involved, as opposed to this spin from Ecuador (you guys suck at this).

    Ecuador how does it feel having the taste John Kerry's balls in your mouth?

  50. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear.

    You're overlooking the endgame.

  51. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    These people got plenty of practice from quote mining scientists' statements in the "Climategate" emails.

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    The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
  52. POTUS can prohibit H-1B visas without congress by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    Under Title 8, Section 1182 of the U.S. Code, the president has authority to use a proclamation to suspend the entry of “any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States [who] would be detrimental to the interests of the United States,” for however long he deems necessary. This provision was included in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

    (5) Labor certification and qualifications for certain immigrants
    (A) Labor certification
    (i) In generalAny alien who seeks to enter the United States for the purpose of performing skilled or unskilled labor is inadmissible, unless the Secretary of Labor has determined and certified to the Secretary of State and the Attorney General that—
    (I) there are not sufficient workers who are able, willing, qualified (or equally qualified in the case of an alien described in clause (ii)) and available at the time of application for a visa and admission to the United States and at the place where the alien is to perform such skilled or unskilled labor, and
    (II) the employment of such alien will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of workers in the United States similarly employed.

  53. Re:A pringles can is now seen sticking out his win by SScorpio · · Score: 1

    No, Mr Robot used a Pringles cantenna to hack a WiFi network from across the street. In the new MacGuyver a Pringles can was split in half with several mobile WiFi chips taped to it to disrupt a WiFi network.

  54. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by stinerman · · Score: 1

    The interesting thing is that this is truly a Kang v. Kodos election. Sure one is less bad than the other, but they're both terrible by historical standards. This is the election where a minor party would have a chance and yet...here we are.

  55. Cognitive dissonance by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Is a very painful process to go through. It gets easier in time, but a person won't improve by hiding in a safe space. This is what our Universities are getting money to preach. Since MSM media and large businesses repeat the same message, it's being reinforced all the time.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  56. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's a link to Wikileaks's front page, not a link to a "compliant and uneducated voters" statement.

    Googling for the phrase "compliant and uneducated voters" only comes up with this comment, presumably also by you.

    As for your "there would be riots in the street", your people are talking about rioting in the streets. Not just riots, but outright coups if Hillary is elected. On camera. And your candidate is deliberately whipping them up to this with all of his repeated "shadowy conspiracy stealing the election with massive fraud" talk.

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    "99 dead duelists of Dios on the wall. 99 dead duelists of Dios! Take one's ring, pass it around..."
  57. US intervened with Netanyahu election by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

    "The Ecuador government respects the principle of non-intervention in other countries' affairs, it does not meddle in election processes underway, nor does it support any candidate specially."

    Yet the world was silent when the Obama Administration provided US funds to Israeli opposition election campaigns to oust Prime Minister Netanyahu.

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    Eternity: will that be smoking, or non-smoking? I Corinthians 6:9-10
  58. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Rei · · Score: 2

    The full quote is:

    Well, we all thought the big problem for our US democracy was Citizens United/Koch Brothers big money in politics. Silly us; turns out that money isn't all that important if you can conflate entertainment with the electoral process. Trump masters TV, TV so-called news picks up and repeats and repeats to death this opinionated blowhard and his hairbrained ideas, free-floating discontent attaches to a seeming strongman and we're off and running. JFK, Jr would be delighted by all this as his "George" magazine saw celebrity politics coming. The magazine struggled as it was ahead of its time but now looks prescient. George, of course, played the development pretty lightly, basically for charm and gossip, like People, but what we are dealing with now is dead serious. How does this get handled in the general? Secretary Clinton is not an entertainer, and not a celebrity in the Trump, Kardashian mold; what can she do to offset this? I'm certain the poll-directed insiders are sure things will default to policy as soon as the conventions are over, but I think not. And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging.

    "Uneducated" does not appear in there.

    So, let's get this straight: the "scandal" here is that some nobody third party, rambled to someone - not Hillary, just to her campaign manager - that he's concerned that Clinton won't be able to get people to pay attention to "poll-driven, demographically-inspired messaging" when Trump is a "Kim Kardashian mold" entertainer spouting "hairbrained ideas" every day, and you can't get the news cycle to "default to policy" in such an environment. I can't make heads or tails of what that "compliant" remark is supposed to mean, but in general I think we can draw one clear conclusion: Hillary is clearly a demon, and we must elect Cheeto Benito instead.

    #Risottogate

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    "99 dead duelists of Dios on the wall. 99 dead duelists of Dios! Take one's ring, pass it around..."
  59. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you have not been paying attention, the only ones that have been instigating violence are Hillary and ex-Bernie supporters.

  60. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It appears that you think he was recommending this result rather than criticizing it.

    Read it again out loud.

  61. Porn site / UN partner? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might want to look into that smear a bit more:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-19/hillary-clinton-linked-mysterious-front-associated-julian-assange-pedophile-smear

    Why is the UN partnering with porn sites, anyhow? What kind of cam girl lets her 8 year old sister go on camera? And just why is this fake porn site / UN partner nobody has ever heard of using the same registered agent as various Democratic groups?

  62. What's there to leak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Why nothing about Trump?

    The man has no filter, so any stupid things he thinks get said in public, so anything you could find in his private emails isn't going to be any better than what you can find on his Twitter account.

    That said, feel free to leak something to them about him. They don't create the leaks, they just distribute them. If you want some leaks, go make them.

  63. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you haven't been reading the Podesta leaks, then we can't help your ignorant and non-involved ass. Go educate yourself or shut the fuck up.

    russian fiction is long, boring, and let's face it, FICTION

  64. what is selective? by tacokill · · Score: 1

    What is selective about releasing all of Podesta's and HRC's emails? I would understand your argument if we had only seen some carefully curated emails to match some carefully curated narrative but that is not the case here. Instead, the emails themselves are painting the narrative. No intervention required.

    So again, what is selective about this?

    1. Re:what is selective? by XXongo · · Score: 1
      What is selective is that they release DNC documents but not RNC documents.

      Especially since we have now seen that the Trump campaign isn't running particularly secure servers: https://politics.slashdot.org/...

      That's one sided, as the original poster claimed.

  65. laughable - even for a 2nd grader by tacokill · · Score: 2

    The election is not rigged against the Donald. If anything it has been rigged for him.
    Even a 2nd grader can see the bias in the press against Trump. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

    1. Re:laughable - even for a 2nd grader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again look at all the money Trump saved in advertising, that is smart according to him.

      Captcha: seller

    2. Re:laughable - even for a 2nd grader by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Trump made the press feel threatened. Have you ever noticed what happens when someone does that?

      Besides, the media aren't out for absolute truth. They're out for eyeballs. They're into controversy because it attracts eyeballs. Trump provides them with lots of controversy that makes himself look bad.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  66. Unique by pseudorand · · Score: 1

    Obviously Ecuador is meddling in the US election, but if they hadn't they'd be truly unique among nations. I'm not mad at Ecuador (or Russia if they were the source of leaked info) for hacking or disclosing this that and the other. I expect it. It's just some bits on disk somewhere. It's not like they shot a missile at us. That sort of think occurred long before the Internet, it's just less risky and at greater scale these days.

    I just hope to high Heaven that our secret intelligence services have the capability to do the same.

  67. Just Read Assange's Bio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Loser. Total loser.

    Basically, this guy had a rough childhood and got bounced around. This man is talented, but weak and very misguided.

    It is also apparent he is not fond of women questioning him. And I would very much like to hear more about these rape charges in Sweden. If he is innocent of that crime, why not face justice?

    This man is neither brave or very smart. He reeks of ambition.

  68. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

    The interesting thing is that this is truly a Kang v. Kodos election. Sure one is less bad than the other, but they're both terrible by historical standards. This is the election where a minor party would have a chance and yet...here we are.

    The wrong lizard might get in if we voted other than (R) or (D).

    Sad that the US's crowning achievement is to copy a side-gag from a sci-fi/comedy novel, even knowing beforehand it's a failed strategy as that's the joke.

    People have lost so much trust in their fellow citizens (rightly or wrongly) that they don't believe it is possible for enough people to make good choices for anyone other than an (R) or (D) candidate to have any chance.

    Strat

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    Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
  69. Not very sad at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ecuador is a very nice place and is known to not listen to retards like the United States .

    Your CNN MSNBC FOXNEWS brain can only see the western propagandized version of "how sad is that?" As if the USA was ever actually a crusader of peace.

  70. Re:Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go to a Trump rally and advocate for liberal causes, see how quickly you get assaulted, chances are its going to be damn fast.

    Just saying.

    Yeah you are saying you are a Bigot and a Racist. The very thing you claim you hate. Except when it suits you not to be, like all liberals.

  71. The control of what we DON'T know is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    every bit as manipulative as the control of what we know. It's two sides of the same coin.

    Many "fact checkers" pretend to be unbiased by controlling the things they do NOT "fact check", and by choosing not to consider certain facts in their analysis that would change the results from the desired outcome.

    Sorry Ecuador, but by cutting Assange's access you have become complicit in the Clinton campaign's effort to have a public image that is quite different from their actual actions and activities, and to hide this from the public.

    The simple solution to the Wikileaks "problem" for dirtbag politicians in ALL parties is simple: Stop being dirtbags. Stop lying to people. Stop hiding stuff that is not directly tied to the security of the nation.

  72. You're as bad as the rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's always lying. He's a Jew, everything they say is a lie. This makes it easy to tell if he's lying, if he's speaking it's a lie. If you don't understand this you've never talked to Jews before.

    My god he's denied saying things he's on video saying, you can't be a bigger Jew than that.

  73. Sumdumass[sic] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does that include Sumdumass cause that guy.....ugh...such a fucking dumbass...

  74. Re: Clintons Evil Knows No Bounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read my comment just above. The quote specifically came from an email from Bill Ivy to John Podesta.

    There's a good run-down of the actual commentary and full context over at snopes, too.

  75. Re:Hitlary must have threatened with reginme chang by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Trump loosed the election long ago. Had he held on to it, he'd have a prayer of winning it.

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes