Hey State U! We, Congress, Know you are underfunded and you're primarily a place for both the 'college' experience and education, but we want you to play cops for us now. Just use the money you don't have, lay off some professors, and cut back on classes. Lord forbid you cut back on sports or focus on education.
Hey, wait a sec, eliminate computers and you won't have to pay for them anymore. That'll give you enough money to begin draconian police practices on the student's computers!
You bring up some good points. Check out this webserver. Completely written in PHP. I think you can write CGI's in C, but I'm not sure. =)
The thing is, they are not different, they are both programming languages. It's just a matter of how we differentiate them. Yeah, I like apples and am allergic to oranges. That doesn't mean one is a fruit and the other is not. Yeah, the scripting languages do not enforce good programming form(excluding Python, et al.) or practices, but you can make a crappy program in C just as easy. Yeah, I choose C/C++/Obj-C for stand alone programs and PHP/Perl for web and some scripting, but that's _my_ choice. QT/KDE libraries work alot easier with C++, not Perl, in my opinion. Of course, if there is a mail client written in pure perl(there are several I believe) that I want, then I won't not use it because it's written in Perl.
I have to put up with that too. PHP? Hell no. Use JSP. Same amount of letters, but you get JINI, etc, and it works on more platforms! (Which is BS. You ever tried using Java under BSD? Support changes about once a week, it works, or it doesn't. Sheesh.)
Perl? Perl isn't a real language. Use Java. It runs on more platforms(which is a hilarious observation, by the way, since it can be disproven in mere seconds with DSL). Perl is too confusing. Java is faster. You can program in Java Faster.
I've heard all these arguments before, now, I'm no Perl Monk so I don't always let these things go, but sometimes it's easier just to take another shot and not worry about computers.
Of course, you shouldn't use this picture as an argument piece. It's like goatse for us! =)
Because Tax's don't go to your governor's pocket(at least here in TX). Taxes go to help schools, medical, roads, police, firemen and pretty much everything else. Just because you don't like your governor is no reason to not support the services you receive.
On another note, I'd rather pay an extra $10 bucks on my online orders instead of an extra $10,000 on property. The money has to come from somewhere, it's all a matter of where.
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I'm sure it will or will be ported to it. It isn't finished yet. Just because a small list didn't involve something does not mean that will be the end all.
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Over at Parrot Code. Well, not just java, but python, perl5, perl6, tcl, etc. Parrot is a new VM from the guys that brought you perl, with their ultimate goals to have multiple languages compile to the VM, and to have the VM compile on as many platforms as Perl5 does now. From the Parrot faq:
Perl 5 runs on eighty platforms; Parrot must run on Unix, Windows, Mac OS (X and Classic), VMS, Crays, Windows CE, and Palm OS, just to name a few. Among its processor architectures will be x86, SPARC, Alpha, IA-64, ARM, and 68x00 (Palms and old Macs). If something doesn't work on all of these, we can't use it in Parrot.
Looking at Java, let's see. For me to use it, it takes a whole number of patches, that I have to agree to the terms to download, then it takes sun's linux version or source version or whatever, that I have to agree to, then I have to let it compile and all that crap. And it still runs slow, and blackdown's crashes instantly. No, I'm not on Linux, why do you ask? I'm on FreeBSD, which sun could care less about. Where-as Parrot plans on support just because it's written in C.
Just my 2c, trying to get some more coders or interest for a project that could certainly use it. =) Thanks for reading.
Very cool, but what about bitrot? If I download a freebsd version from it will it be 2.2.5? Or 5.0? I hope there is a good way to check.
I hope this works. It'd be a nice alternative to porn and mp3's on P2P networks. (Even though it is its own P2P network). Maybe distributed CVS should be next? That way we don't overload a server, but we can still download just the updates we need?
NetBSD did have a booth there. Check out the info over here. My favorite quote is:
Interest in the NetBSD Project was certainly high, and we received numerous curious questions, ranging from the unavoidable ``So, ugh, what kernel version does your distribution include? 2.4?''
"When I got a Mac and started using iTunes, I was a much happier person."
Yeah, but this is out of the question for JWZ because it doesn't have the "Super Easy To Use, Excellent GUI, No Difficult/Confusing Keyboard Controls/Can Learn in 2 Seconds XEmacs" yet.
Hmm, something about his rant and his other rant don't meet with each other.
Parrot is the way to go. It's open source, virtual machine. Supports some languages already, but the VM is still under development and needs some help. Come on, even Java will compile to it in the future. =)
Give me a TouchStream anyday. =) I don't want stupid red light, black with print is the way to go. Same effect, but no red light. I can see where these projection keyboards would be useful though, but I can see where they wouldn't be (work, school, home). Of course, on an airplane, travelling, etc, it'd be great. Just imagine a screen, and that's your laptop. Oops.
Still, it's good technology, even if not applied in the best sense here. Imagine your house is X10 controlled(sans the pop-ups, of course). You pull out one of these things with custom buttons you did on your PC. Hit the lights that you want on/off and the wireless transmitter sends it back to the server to do it. Or you could have these 'magic' buttons built into a painting or art(-wannabe) object, and access them anytime anywhere, but keep them out of place. (Yes, this example took the technology and not the specific use of the projection keyboards).
I did this with a 2001 Hyundai Elantra.
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I left some sprite in the car, and I LIVE IN TEXAS.
Take a look at the site. Linux/Open-Source/BSD certainly seem to be the theme of this site. Just because CmdrTaco == Theme of Site doesn't mean CmdrTaco's Interests != Linux, Open Source, BSD.
You're going on technicalities here, when that certainly doesn't seem to apply at all. I use BSD, not linux. I detest Windows, and I enjoy Anime when it's good(once every few years). Wrestling I don't care about. We are all people, and that's that. There are people on here who bitch because someone posts something that doesn't interest that specific person.
But good use of the FAQ. Next time I'll just post a link and I'll be good. =)
I'm just sick and tired of people against linux or against open source coming here and getting upset that those stories are here. Or worse, modded up, like we haven't been having those arguments for some time now. Or people who bitch because they can't mod. I read most comments looking for something funny, and keeping my threshold at 3 is generally quite good. But it seems that sometimes posts like the first one get through, the same old tired argument. And sometimes I just feel like myself posting and going along with that same old argument. People need to understand they don't have to be here. If it's auto loading in their browser they need to change their start page, no one hacked it to do that.
I'm just bitching hoping that these people will quit. For the honeymoon for google story(still on the front page) I have 70 of 334 comments. If I up my threshold another notch I'll have even less, and there are many people who post something interesting, but there are people who post something offtopic that gets modded up as "Interesting" or "Insightful" when it's really not. Checking now, that post is at 5. Maybe soon I'll have to disable comments altogether just to get past the crap, and post comments myself blindly when I want to contribute.
Because this is a linux-centric/Free Software/Open Source Website. That's why we care.
Lately I've noticed a lot of people coming to slashdot not understanding what Slashdot is about. It's really getting annoying, so I hope the parent and this post will be modded as offtopic, or else the moderation system will fail.
Yes, I know some people are against people moderating posts "Offtopic" but sometimes posts are actually offtopic.
I think Slashdot's hits the age where we can all say "I used Slashdot before it was cool." I hate to say it, but Slashdot's dying. Alot of people who don't understand it are getting on the system. Opposing the NYTimes stuff, opposing sending traffic or slashdotting places on the web(despite the fact that if you don't want traffic, don't put your site up, which is an accepted fact. I don't go dancing in a mine field and bitch when I get blown up). It's like slashdot is becoming an entire separate population with politics and everything, when it's really JUST A F$(#@!!#$@ Website that posts news and allows people to comment on that news. I keep my threshold at 3, but soon I may have to up it to 4. Big deal, I'm here for the news. I don't think anyone on here is cool because they're here. Even kuro5hin has started sucking recently since it's showing alot of Slashdot-topics. It's like, come on people, go play Everquest and consider that your life, no Slashdot. Slashdot is just a place on the web with links to news and cool things, not a meeting ground for a secret underground club. Shit people, take a pill, get a life.
Like I said, my threshold is 3, all comments moderated funny get +6 instead of +1. At least the guys running this site know what they're doing.
Parrot isn't the VM for Perl6. Parrot is a "new language from the creators of Perl and Python." Duh. There's even an O'Reilly book on it.
Seriously though. They barely mentioned Parrot and Parrot is coming along very nicely I think. Even with a Java to Parrot Bytecode program, Brainfuck, Jako, Befunge-93, cola, forth, miniperl, ook, (non-final) perl6 interpreters/compilers, as well as python, ruby and scheme interpreters/compilers coming. Of course it's not finished, so not all of the languages are either, but hey, it's getting there, and damn fast. There's even a Parrot Assembly Lange.
Parrot is definately not Perl6. It's much more. It's like java, but open source, and independent of Languages. They're hoping to have it compile on as many platforms as perl does now, unlike Java which is Windows, Mac, Linux, and some PDAs, end of story.
So everyone check it out and throw some patches in too! Of course, the only support I've given so far is moral support.:/
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If I'm not mistaken the GPL allows binary distributions, as long as it is made clear the source code is available upon request. That would be easy to do.
Unfortunately, having it compile when you right click and select install would be very visible to the user. Several minutes visible, and many people would get tired of waiting. Just imagine OpenOffice compiling on the system, while you wait, after downloading that ungodly large file already.
I don't see a problem with platform specific binaries. But yes, you need someone on the backend to compile those and make them available, that is why I suggested a team of dedicated people or a team of employees to handle that.
they gave up on the case for AOL along time ago...
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I missed some points in my last message. Sorry.
The entire idea of linux for the masses is linux for everyone. The only way to do this is to take out the difficultires of it. I think if a linux box has a web browser, a media player, a GUI, an e-mail client, and some games, it's reached the usefulness of most people. Not the die-hard gamers, not by a long shot, but by many people. What we consider useful is something that is considered pointless by many. That is why I think it should be so easy to install and use that people who want terminals won't mess with it. It should hide everything about it that is linux, and just be a functional, enjoyable, stable, useful computer. With all the free software we have available, with binary packages that are easy to install, if the OS was easy to install and get up and running, I think it could be a contender for world domination. Damned if I wouldn't be handing out the CDs at the mall, or leaving some for grabs at the local coffee shop.
But the gap is what I want. We may call ourselves 'users' but most of us and what we do are development. For those who aren't, many do not need the command line at all. Windows was doing a good thing hiding it, the problem is they wanted to eliminate it when some of us needed it. It should be a download and a few mouse clicks away to install rxvt, but it doesn't need to be base install for those who don't need it.
And you are right. Although I wouldn't say "Windows-Haters." We want the Windows-Lovers and the Windows-Neutral people also. Linux Lovers probably shouldn't use it, but support would be good if they got Linux running on more and more machines. Especially if it means games would come out for the Linux platform. Lord knows I'd be happy with a Linux Morrowind. =)
The whole idea of choices leave linux-lovers choosing debian, or brewing their own, but this would make Linux more mainstream and on the desktop, but the way free software works assures us that it would not be the only choice. So linux lovers should support it, they can always have what they want. But most people just want a web-browser with flash, an e-mail client, a word processor, and solitaire. Not something that takes a book to install, several hours to configure, and a day or two to go to cnn.com from trying to understand everything. It would take many of us less than an hour to get to that point, but someone who thinks a computer should just handle most of that stuff itself(which, look all around us, it _should_), will get upset and switch.
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Hey State U! We, Congress, Know you are underfunded and you're primarily a place for both the 'college' experience and education, but we want you to play cops for us now. Just use the money you don't have, lay off some professors, and cut back on classes. Lord forbid you cut back on sports or focus on education.
Hey, wait a sec, eliminate computers and you won't have to pay for them anymore. That'll give you enough money to begin draconian police practices on the student's computers!
Can't we all just accept the fact that we are all Earthikans and live in peace?
Vote Nixon in 3000!
(it's a Futurama joke)
You bring up some good points. Check out this webserver. Completely written in PHP. I think you can write CGI's in C, but I'm not sure. =)
The thing is, they are not different, they are both programming languages. It's just a matter of how we differentiate them. Yeah, I like apples and am allergic to oranges. That doesn't mean one is a fruit and the other is not. Yeah, the scripting languages do not enforce good programming form(excluding Python, et al.) or practices, but you can make a crappy program in C just as easy. Yeah, I choose C/C++/Obj-C for stand alone programs and PHP/Perl for web and some scripting, but that's _my_ choice. QT/KDE libraries work alot easier with C++, not Perl, in my opinion. Of course, if there is a mail client written in pure perl(there are several I believe) that I want, then I won't not use it because it's written in Perl.
I have to put up with that too. PHP? Hell no. Use JSP. Same amount of letters, but you get JINI, etc, and it works on more platforms! (Which is BS. You ever tried using Java under BSD? Support changes about once a week, it works, or it doesn't. Sheesh.)
Perl? Perl isn't a real language. Use Java. It runs on more platforms(which is a hilarious observation, by the way, since it can be disproven in mere seconds with DSL). Perl is too confusing. Java is faster. You can program in Java Faster.
I've heard all these arguments before, now, I'm no Perl Monk so I don't always let these things go, but sometimes it's easier just to take another shot and not worry about computers.
Of course, you shouldn't use this picture as an argument piece. It's like goatse for us! =)
"The garbage ball won't be back for another 1000 years, and by then we'll be dead"
--Bad futurama quote. =)
Because Tax's don't go to your governor's pocket(at least here in TX). Taxes go to help schools, medical, roads, police, firemen and pretty much everything else. Just because you don't like your governor is no reason to not support the services you receive.
On another note, I'd rather pay an extra $10 bucks on my online orders instead of an extra $10,000 on property. The money has to come from somewhere, it's all a matter of where.
I'm sure it will or will be ported to it. It isn't finished yet. Just because a small list didn't involve something does not mean that will be the end all.
Looking at Java, let's see. For me to use it, it takes a whole number of patches, that I have to agree to the terms to download, then it takes sun's linux version or source version or whatever, that I have to agree to, then I have to let it compile and all that crap. And it still runs slow, and blackdown's crashes instantly. No, I'm not on Linux, why do you ask? I'm on FreeBSD, which sun could care less about. Where-as Parrot plans on support just because it's written in C.
Just my 2c, trying to get some more coders or interest for a project that could certainly use it. =) Thanks for reading.
Very cool, but what about bitrot? If I download a freebsd version from it will it be 2.2.5? Or 5.0? I hope there is a good way to check.
I hope this works. It'd be a nice alternative to porn and mp3's on P2P networks. (Even though it is its own P2P network). Maybe distributed CVS should be next? That way we don't overload a server, but we can still download just the updates we need?
NetBSD did have a booth there. Check out the info over here. My favorite quote is:
Interest in the NetBSD Project was certainly high, and we received numerous curious questions, ranging from the unavoidable ``So, ugh, what kernel version does your distribution include? 2.4?''
"When I got a Mac and started using iTunes, I was a much happier person."
Yeah, but this is out of the question for JWZ because it doesn't have the "Super Easy To Use, Excellent GUI, No Difficult/Confusing Keyboard Controls/Can Learn in 2 Seconds XEmacs" yet.
Hmm, something about his rant and his other rant don't meet with each other.
if they had put the articles on separate servers, instead of just in separate articles.
Parrot is the way to go. It's open source, virtual machine. Supports some languages already, but the VM is still under development and needs some help. Come on, even Java will compile to it in the future. =)
Give me a TouchStream anyday. =) I don't want stupid red light, black with print is the way to go. Same effect, but no red light. I can see where these projection keyboards would be useful though, but I can see where they wouldn't be (work, school, home). Of course, on an airplane, travelling, etc, it'd be great. Just imagine a screen, and that's your laptop. Oops.
Still, it's good technology, even if not applied in the best sense here. Imagine your house is X10
controlled(sans the pop-ups, of course). You pull out one of these things with custom buttons you did on your PC. Hit the lights that you want on/off and the wireless transmitter sends it back to the server to do it. Or you could have these 'magic' buttons built into a painting or art(-wannabe) object, and access them anytime anywhere, but keep them out of place. (Yes, this example took the technology and not the specific use of the projection keyboards).
I left some sprite in the car, and I LIVE IN TEXAS.
Take a look at the site. Linux/Open-Source/BSD certainly seem to be the theme of this site. Just because CmdrTaco == Theme of Site doesn't mean CmdrTaco's Interests != Linux, Open Source, BSD.
You're going on technicalities here, when that certainly doesn't seem to apply at all. I use BSD, not linux. I detest Windows, and I enjoy Anime when it's good(once every few years). Wrestling I don't care about. We are all people, and that's that. There are people on here who bitch because someone posts something that doesn't interest that specific person.
But good use of the FAQ. Next time I'll just post a link and I'll be good. =)
I'm just sick and tired of people against linux or against open source coming here and getting upset that those stories are here. Or worse, modded up, like we haven't been having those arguments for some time now. Or people who bitch because they can't mod. I read most comments looking for something funny, and keeping my threshold at 3 is generally quite good. But it seems that sometimes posts like the first one get through, the same old tired argument. And sometimes I just feel like myself posting and going along with that same old argument. People need to understand they don't have to be here. If it's auto loading in their browser they need to change their start page, no one hacked it to do that.
I'm just bitching hoping that these people will quit. For the honeymoon for google story(still on the front page) I have 70 of 334 comments. If I up my threshold another notch I'll have even less, and there are many people who post something interesting, but there are people who post something offtopic that gets modded up as "Interesting" or "Insightful" when it's really not. Checking now, that post is at 5. Maybe soon I'll have to disable comments altogether just to get past the crap, and post comments myself blindly when I want to contribute.
Because this is a linux-centric/Free Software/Open Source Website. That's why we care.
Lately I've noticed a lot of people coming to slashdot not understanding what Slashdot is about. It's really getting annoying, so I hope the parent and this post will be modded as offtopic, or else the moderation system will fail.
Yes, I know some people are against people moderating posts "Offtopic" but sometimes posts are actually offtopic.
I think Slashdot's hits the age where we can all say "I used Slashdot before it was cool." I hate to say it, but Slashdot's dying. Alot of people who don't understand it are getting on the system. Opposing the NYTimes stuff, opposing sending traffic or slashdotting places on the web(despite the fact that if you don't want traffic, don't put your site up, which is an accepted fact. I don't go dancing in a mine field and bitch when I get blown up). It's like slashdot is becoming an entire separate population with politics and everything, when it's really JUST A F$(#@!!#$@ Website that posts news and allows people to comment on that news. I keep my threshold at 3, but soon I may have to up it to 4. Big deal, I'm here for the news. I don't think anyone on here is cool because they're here. Even kuro5hin has started sucking recently since it's showing alot of Slashdot-topics. It's like, come on people, go play Everquest and consider that your life, no Slashdot. Slashdot is just a place on the web with links to news and cool things, not a meeting ground for a secret underground club. Shit people, take a pill, get a life.
Like I said, my threshold is 3, all comments moderated funny get +6 instead of +1. At least the guys running this site know what they're doing.
Wow! CmdrTaco's been hanging out at the Playboy Mansion again!
Parrot isn't the VM for Perl6. Parrot is a "new language from the creators of Perl and Python." Duh. There's even an O'Reilly book on it.
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Seriously though. They barely mentioned Parrot and Parrot is coming along very nicely I think. Even with a Java to Parrot Bytecode program, Brainfuck, Jako, Befunge-93, cola, forth, miniperl, ook, (non-final) perl6 interpreters/compilers, as well as python, ruby and scheme interpreters/compilers coming. Of course it's not finished, so not all of the languages are either, but hey, it's getting there, and damn fast. There's even a Parrot Assembly Lange.
Parrot is definately not Perl6. It's much more. It's like java, but open source, and independent of Languages. They're hoping to have it compile on as many platforms as perl does now, unlike Java which is Windows, Mac, Linux, and some PDAs, end of story.
So everyone check it out and throw some patches in too! Of course, the only support I've given so far is moral support.
Hey, that's a really good idea. The by products can be easily cleaned up!
I tell you it's hardcore porn that's going to land the first men on Mars, establish contact with another species, and renew the democratic system.
Soft porn can only do so much, but it's hardcore that will take us into the next century!
"The issues of hacking/cracking, stability, reliability, and verification all boggle the mind. There's no way we'd be able to be sure."
But think of it, we could break into the systems and add our favorite species:
Linuxius Penguin
B.S.D. Daemon
Microsoftor Jackass
Think of the possibilities!
If I'm not mistaken the GPL allows binary distributions, as long as it is made clear the source code is available upon request. That would be easy to do.
Unfortunately, having it compile when you right click and select install would be very visible to the user. Several minutes visible, and many people would get tired of waiting. Just imagine OpenOffice compiling on the system, while you wait, after downloading that ungodly large file already.
I don't see a problem with platform specific binaries. But yes, you need someone on the backend to compile those and make them available, that is why I suggested a team of dedicated people or a team of employees to handle that.
they gave up on the case for AOL along time ago...
I missed some points in my last message. Sorry.
The entire idea of linux for the masses is linux for everyone. The only way to do this is to take out the difficultires of it. I think if a linux box has a web browser, a media player, a GUI, an e-mail client, and some games, it's reached the usefulness of most people. Not the die-hard gamers, not by a long shot, but by many people. What we consider useful is something that is considered pointless by many. That is why I think it should be so easy to install and use that people who want terminals won't mess with it. It should hide everything about it that is linux, and just be a functional, enjoyable, stable, useful computer. With all the free software we have available, with binary packages that are easy to install, if the OS was easy to install and get up and running, I think it could be a contender for world domination. Damned if I wouldn't be handing out the CDs at the mall, or leaving some for grabs at the local coffee shop.
But the gap is what I want. We may call ourselves 'users' but most of us and what we do are development. For those who aren't, many do not need the command line at all. Windows was doing a good thing hiding it, the problem is they wanted to eliminate it when some of us needed it. It should be a download and a few mouse clicks away to install rxvt, but it doesn't need to be base install for those who don't need it.
And you are right. Although I wouldn't say "Windows-Haters." We want the Windows-Lovers and the Windows-Neutral people also. Linux Lovers probably shouldn't use it, but support would be good if they got Linux running on more and more machines. Especially if it means games would come out for the Linux platform. Lord knows I'd be happy with a Linux Morrowind. =)
The whole idea of choices leave linux-lovers choosing debian, or brewing their own, but this would make Linux more mainstream and on the desktop, but the way free software works assures us that it would not be the only choice. So linux lovers should support it, they can always have what they want. But most people just want a web-browser with flash, an e-mail client, a word processor, and solitaire. Not something that takes a book to install, several hours to configure, and a day or two to go to cnn.com from trying to understand everything. It would take many of us less than an hour to get to that point, but someone who thinks a computer should just handle most of that stuff itself(which, look all around us, it _should_), will get upset and switch.