I've seen a couple mentions of it, but here's a full fledged endorsement. If you hang out in #java in efnet, they pretty much unanimously recommend Orion or Resin, with the majority going to Orion. I've been using it for 6 months now.
It's ridiculously easy to set up (moreso than Resin)
it's fast, faster than weblogic/tomcat/resin
it's stable (I've had it running it (http://www.squabble.org) for that 6 months execpt when I moved it's server a couple months ago)
it's cheap. It's not free (as in beer or as in source) but it's a heckuva lot cheaper than Weblogic, and the development licenses are free.
for those of you who don't like Tomcat's start up times, it takes all of about 5 seconds to launch and you can redeploy a webapp simply by touching it's web.xml
It's an OS that runs on top of a BROWSER that run on top of another OS...
Could somebody explain to me the benefits of this? Please? Because I haven't the foggiest clue... Seems like a case of going around your elbow to get to your backside, but that's just me...
somebody give this man a cookie! he pretty much nailed it. of course this isn't the case for most small sites, but once you start looking at the "enterprise" level, you see than your webservers are in new york while your databases are in chicago. this type of thing is great for webservers that are "dynamic" by way of a database
Well, I don't believe so. I much prefer having a legit version of all my software - but $600 or whatever obscene price they want for photoshop is, well, obscene.
When I saw WinXP being offered through Microsoft for $40, I was all over that.
I was looking for some database design software, like erwin, that supported postgres. eventually i settled on a $35 copy of Database Architect, even though it wasn't as good as the $250 Case Studio.
Fascinating. Does Slashdot not consider this site competition? It's generally considered bad business practice to promote the other guy, but hey this is a Linux World so normal business rules need not apply.
I guess since this site doesn't does go as in-depth as Linux Daily News, they don't feel that they are competing... but Slashdot is a very Linux-centric site...
Did anybody actually READ the article?
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Is Linux Dead?
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· Score: 5, Informative
I know this is a fantastically novel idea, but did anybody read the article instead of knee-jerking "OMG MSNBC IS GOING TO SUPPORT MS ALWAYS" ?
The first half the article praises Linux for being a low cost server solution that a LOT of companies are using. There is even a quote from a HP exec who says "Now Linux is becoming more mainstream every day."
The second half does go into the desktop area of Linux, which they say is lacking, and then it goes on to say it IS getting better with things such as Star Office and OpenOffice, but it still needs to overcome the problem of Windows being installed on pretty much every pre-built computer sold.
Nowhere in this article does it say anything about Linux being dead. It's more of a "What's Linux up to?"
...by the "omg this is gonna rock" fanboy hype. It looked great on paper, but the GF4 4600 gives it a right good spanking. Well, there are going to be lots of artists trying to get their hands on this one...
it'll be like the old Matrox G400 - runs decent and looks great. I guess it all comes down to speed vs. pretty. Maybe they'll fix it in the drivers! Of course that's what they all say.
uhm, this isn't flamebait. This is the crap I have to go through every day doing development for our in-company clients. They send us scope changes they awnt *after* code freezes, change requirements on us, and make us jump through hoops. then they change their mind on us.
I'm angry at users, not just trolling for responses:P
bah. ignore the users.
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Version Fatigue
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· Score: 1, Interesting
Seriously. My expereince with users and clients is that they don't actually know what they want. They want something changed one day, then when you change it, they want it back the way it was. They change requirements on you in the middle of your development cycle, and can't make up their minds on anything.
But on the other hand, don't fix stuff that's not necessarily broke. If you come up with a better way, make sure it's extremely intuitive - because remember, users are stupid.
No, if you ever hit the Windows Update page, you see they fix a lot of stuff. Now, the fact that they HAVe to fix stuff is the problem. I develop software for a living, and we beat the living hell out of it before it goes to production. We have all kinds of tests, regression scripts... I realize we're not doing OS, but the principle's the same. Test it before you toss it out the door.
A third option is to look into using a J2EE App Server - there's nothing nicer than logging a person in, creating a object with all there stuff, and sticking it in their session. you never have to worry about database hits every time you need some info. you get all the info on the initial object creation and just pull it out when you need it. you can even use beans this way...
everybody likes to make fun of java - the poor thing, it was created to be a run anywhere client language, but it's true calling was serving up applications!
even if they are deundant, it's going to put a hurtin on the other guys. if they are carrying 25-50% of the traffic, and it gets moved over to other backbones... well let's just say it's like trying to get 10 pounds of crap into a 5 pound bag.
I dunno, I think there should be a government bailout of something like this.
Actually, I think in the US, everybody should be given the option for a cable modem for say $40/month and if that generates losses, the government should subsidize it. imho.
Hey, this is good! Instead of the the big corporations petitioning the government to screw Joe Citizen, Joe Citizen petitions the government to hose the corporation! I like this!
But there's a good lesson here, don't sit back and take it - it's easy to sit around and think academically "oh my, they certainly can't take away this! It's guaranteed in the bill of rights!" but who actually gets out there and tries to stop it?
That's why you want to stick with the Model-View-Controller paradigm.
You've got your data model and the classes that work in behind it, enforcing business rules and the like, then you have your controller servlet which says "ok, they want this, they need this page" and then you use your jsp's that just display information.
You take the processing away from the JSP and put it in the servlets/classes where it's faster and it's not such a huge pain for the designers to whack at it because it's just the occasinal <%=foo%> as opposed to a bunch of full fledged java code.
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I've seen a couple mentions of it, but here's a full fledged endorsement. If you hang out in #java in efnet, they pretty much unanimously recommend Orion or Resin, with the majority going to Orion. I've been using it for 6 months now.
It's ridiculously easy to set up (moreso than Resin)
it's fast, faster than weblogic/tomcat/resin
it's stable (I've had it running it (http://www.squabble.org) for that 6 months execpt when I moved it's server a couple months ago)
it's cheap. It's not free (as in beer or as in source) but it's a heckuva lot cheaper than Weblogic, and the development licenses are free.
for those of you who don't like Tomcat's start up times, it takes all of about 5 seconds to launch and you can redeploy a webapp simply by touching it's web.xml
Anyway, it's a great app. Give it a look.
ok mod this up, somebody read the article!
:)
this makes much more sense.
articles here can be vague and misleading at times
how is this a troll?
i answer the guy's question and the said I couldn't figure how the current idea related to active desktop...
not really :\
Active Desktop was pretty much the exact reverse - bring the internet to the desktop, bypassing the browser
this on the other hand is, uh bring the os to the uhh with the internet uh and the browser uh
nevermind, i have no idea wtf is going on here.
It's an OS that runs on top of a BROWSER that run on top of another OS...
Could somebody explain to me the benefits of this? Please? Because I haven't the foggiest clue... Seems like a case of going around your elbow to get to your backside, but that's just me...
yeah, but once you run it through the Canada->US exchange, it's only like 1.25MB/250KB :(
somebody give this man a cookie! he pretty much nailed it. of course this isn't the case for most small sites, but once you start looking at the "enterprise" level, you see than your webservers are in new york while your databases are in chicago. this type of thing is great for webservers that are "dynamic" by way of a database
take it from somebody who has done graphics design professionally, and spent many an hour with both Photoshop and the Gimp
Photoshop > Gimp.
Well, I don't believe so. I much prefer having a legit version of all my software - but $600 or whatever obscene price they want for photoshop is, well, obscene.
When I saw WinXP being offered through Microsoft for $40, I was all over that.
I was looking for some database design software, like erwin, that supported postgres. eventually i settled on a $35 copy of Database Architect, even though it wasn't as good as the $250 Case Studio.
uh, you can't pirate it.
maybe look into something that costs $10 or something, but throwing out "how often does apache get pirated!?!?!" isn't the best example
Fascinating. Does Slashdot not consider this site competition? It's generally considered bad business practice to promote the other guy, but hey this is a Linux World so normal business rules need not apply.
I guess since this site doesn't does go as in-depth as Linux Daily News, they don't feel that they are competing... but Slashdot is a very Linux-centric site...
I know this is a fantastically novel idea, but did anybody read the article instead of knee-jerking "OMG MSNBC IS GOING TO SUPPORT MS ALWAYS" ?
The first half the article praises Linux for being a low cost server solution that a LOT of companies are using. There is even a quote from a HP exec who says "Now Linux is becoming more mainstream every day."
The second half does go into the desktop area of Linux, which they say is lacking, and then it goes on to say it IS getting better with things such as Star Office and OpenOffice, but it still needs to overcome the problem of Windows being installed on pretty much every pre-built computer sold.
Nowhere in this article does it say anything about Linux being dead. It's more of a "What's Linux up to?"
...by the "omg this is gonna rock" fanboy hype. It looked great on paper, but the GF4 4600 gives it a right good spanking. Well, there are going to be lots of artists trying to get their hands on this one...
it'll be like the old Matrox G400 - runs decent and looks great. I guess it all comes down to speed vs. pretty. Maybe they'll fix it in the drivers! Of course that's what they all say.
you're obviously a user
:)
die!
uhm, this isn't flamebait. This is the crap I have to go through every day doing development for our in-company clients. They send us scope changes they awnt *after* code freezes, change requirements on us, and make us jump through hoops. then they change their mind on us.
:P
I'm angry at users, not just trolling for responses
Seriously. My expereince with users and clients is that they don't actually know what they want. They want something changed one day, then when you change it, they want it back the way it was. They change requirements on you in the middle of your development cycle, and can't make up their minds on anything.
But on the other hand, don't fix stuff that's not necessarily broke. If you come up with a better way, make sure it's extremely intuitive - because remember, users are stupid.
No, if you ever hit the Windows Update page, you see they fix a lot of stuff. Now, the fact that they HAVe to fix stuff is the problem. I develop software for a living, and we beat the living hell out of it before it goes to production. We have all kinds of tests, regression scripts... I realize we're not doing OS, but the principle's the same. Test it before you toss it out the door.
A third option is to look into using a J2EE App Server - there's nothing nicer than logging a person in, creating a object with all there stuff, and sticking it in their session. you never have to worry about database hits every time you need some info. you get all the info on the initial object creation and just pull it out when you need it. you can even use beans this way...
everybody likes to make fun of java - the poor thing, it was created to be a run anywhere client language, but it's true calling was serving up applications!
I have a window repair business. I advertise by tying one of my flyers to a brick and throwing it throw people's windows.
even if they are deundant, it's going to put a hurtin on the other guys. if they are carrying 25-50% of the traffic, and it gets moved over to other backbones... well let's just say it's like trying to get 10 pounds of crap into a 5 pound bag.
I'm US and I'm here!
I dunno, I think there should be a government bailout of something like this.
Actually, I think in the US, everybody should be given the option for a cable modem for say $40/month and if that generates losses, the government should subsidize it. imho.
Life is all about your point of view.
Hey, this is good! Instead of the the big corporations petitioning the government to screw Joe Citizen, Joe Citizen petitions the government to hose the corporation! I like this!
But there's a good lesson here, don't sit back and take it - it's easy to sit around and think academically "oh my, they certainly can't take away this! It's guaranteed in the bill of rights!" but who actually gets out there and tries to stop it?
Only place worse than Iowa is probably Idaho :P
Maybe one of the Dakotas. Or Arkansas. Maybe Oklahoma.
You know, it sucks to live anyway. I'm moving to Canada.
That's why you want to stick with the Model-View-Controller paradigm.
You've got your data model and the classes that work in behind it, enforcing business rules and the like, then you have your controller servlet which says "ok, they want this, they need this page" and then you use your jsp's that just display information.
You take the processing away from the JSP and put it in the servlets/classes where it's faster and it's not such a huge pain for the designers to whack at it because it's just the occasinal <%=foo%> as opposed to a bunch of full fledged java code.