The article states that this is exactly what this does. The modulation is on LAYER 2, (emphasis on the layer) of the OSI model, so that doesn't matter what you are running. It'll get through. It's just a clock signal chip. Oxx, Txx both have clocking mechanisms to allow the high bw packet transfers and a chip on the clocking mechanism (say included in your csu,dsu on your cisco router), and an upgrade from the telco will allow this to happen, independent of what you are running. He mentions cable, but this could be used for many things, even wireless. (i think) any corrections to the contrary are gladly accepted.
Regarding the other replies to your argument. They were, in my opinion, non arguments and completely missing the point. They basically ignored your insights and facts about genetic cloning and organ harvesting and either called you hoodwinked or religious nut. There's Slashdot for you.
However . . . I do take exception to your proof of the fact that we CAN clone humans. Depends what your definition of clone is. If you believe a clone is a genetic copy of an organism, then you are accurate. if you believe that a clone is a genetic copy of an organism, able to exist under the same conditions as the original, and at the same time be as *viable* (able to survive and reproduce) Then your assumation is incorrect. The *clones* that have been produced are not *successes*. Most of the clones suffer from obeisity, malformed organs and horrible defects. Dolly, the cloned sheep, her clone is her_exact_age_. What does that mean? It means that the scientists cloned her telomeres, which determine life span of cell mitosis. Telomeres start out "long" when we are young and end up "short" when we grow old. guess what? That 2yr old sheep has the telomeres of an old one. So she has as many years left as Dolly, and is growing old at an alarming rate.
It might be suicide for a company to produce evidence that states that infact that the research produces no acceptable alternative to what we already have, inother words, they might have produced a non-event (sort of like the engine that runs on water SUUUURE, now lets harvest water as a fuel source instead of oil- -that'll solve are energy problems!) ):0
Well, if you're saying that your system is already flawed. Anaphalectic shock is produced when an antigen accepting compound, which usually attracts killer cells, attaches to the killer cell and then does sort of a "wish bone" effect, tearing open the killer cells and releasing the poison intended for the antigens into your body. So, I guess if you mean that your system's AI is flawed, then yes, your system could go into shock.
Sorry I replied in such a terrible manner to an obvious joke. But anaphalactic shock is most certainly caused by inherent flaws in the auto-immune system and not so much as the attacking organisms.
I would say that both points are valid, a system is usually compromised by an outside person finding out INSIDE information. (passwords, p2p, trojans,) If access were locked down at the USER or NODE level then the 733t hax0r has a big box of cookies with no milk to dunk them in. That coupled with an outside defense system (firewall), trebled with a "compromised network" response (biological defense) would make a lockdown absolute.
This however gives a very false sense of security without stiff penalties for violating the security policies. Remember, security is only as secure as the *least* secure factor. or person.
I would think that the redundancy of a "living breathing network" would produce so much overhead that upon activating a defence to a antigen, the network would be bogged down by the "immune system" communicating and travelling to the destination in a severe form of overkill.
That's pretty much what a fever is, and couldn't be too good for a enterprise, mission critical, high dollar amount network.
However, the transport system on a cellular level,
internal packets could be treated as water, and "osmosis" would let packets flow one way, and selective permeability could allow certain packets in and keep others out. (Very much like a firewall protects, but a intricately layered firewall that protects and admits with stunning accuracy.)
I vote we send James Bond to the moon with a beautiful super model and prevent Dr. No and his international terrorist spy henchmen from conducting covert operations aimed at destroying the world!
you can go and pick it all day long, and then you can invite a bunch of friends over for a BBQ, and entertain them by picking it, and then discuss the finer arts of picking it with them. *That's* not illegal.
This could get *very* sophomoric, *very* quickly >:)
I don't think many are getting the reference. Means they are either too young or too old. That was a pretty lame movie, though at the time I thought that red-headed girl was pretty hot.
The laws of the constitution are based on american values. in other words, because we believe that one that accuses should have ample proof to back up accusations, then the burden of proof is on the accuser. this is a matter of courtesy to the defender, so he has meat to tear into. bytheway, my email address is nibasmAThotmaildotcom.
I agree that a citizen must take the initiative. However, when one makes a statement on fact, it is incumbent on the person who makes the statement to provide evidence of this fact.
By the way, since when do votes of membership of any legislative body reflect anything but what they vote on? Without insight into the mind of a person, what proof do you have to belief, non belief or collusion?
I asked for *you* to provide me proof. you obviously live in America. In the united states, the burden of proof is on the accuser, not on the defender. If you don't have enough will or self respect to back up your accusations with proof, don't throw out irrational arguments and then ask for others to be enlightened. Without proof, your mind is the darkest of all.
Right. Without proof you argument is anecdotal and baseless and without merit. I can take your personal experience and tell you of tons that are opposite. For instance - My boss, his boss and their colleagues are *all* non-mormon.
There are dry areas all over the country
If you have an issue with being discriminated against because you are not of the mormon faith, there are grievance processes and *tons* of people willing to topple the mormon conspiracy.
I've seen *no* proof of your draconian guards in downtown Utah, and consider your gestapo description of the security down there strictly false. But of course you would do that because you refuse to look at facts and instead use your bias to cloud sound judgement. Oh, well, live and learn.
I've no objection to Mormons being politcally active, as it is in the intrest of every person, no matter what country they live in to be politically active, if only through self interest, or self preservation. However, I take exception that "the Mormons" are saying in their heart of hearts 'Hey, I know this guy is more qualified, but he doesn't go to my church so I'll give this guy a job because Jesus will love me more'
I do not deny, as in any society that there are those who will try to use position as religious leader to take advantage of those in their community. But as a religious institution, the Mormons do not tolerate that and it is evident that these people who may be *popular* leaders are are not nessecarily trusted to be *religious* leaders. When there is ample proof that someone *Legally* acts in contrary to that posistion, the community and the church are sure to censure the religous potency of the individual. And do as much as their influence can allow (as is evinced by people being excommunicated or disfellowshiped for campaigning on church grounds, or using a position of leadership to sell a product.(UT is *notorious* for Multi-Level-Marketing)
No litmus test nessecary? Isn't that the same thing that they tell you when you try do disprove them of their faith? How can you say then that what they believe and do is any less valid than what you do without proof to back it up?
I take exception to your implications that the "Mormons" are running the olympics and also politics. Just what do you mean by "Mormons"? Do you have any proof of this "mormon conspiracy"?
Is this based on facts and first hand experience? Could you give examples? As scientists, we should supply proof, and not speculation, especially in religion, when we are skeptical of their "suspension of belief" we should use the same rigorous criteria to judge our own perceptions of reality.
Utah and the "Mormons" have a great history of contributing to both open source and the technology industry. I find your statement to be nothing more than unsubstantiated claims about something that you know very little about. Very anathema for a man who makes his living off of math, science and logic.
Only to a certain extent. for instance. Larry Lunchpail already has local blackout on his satellite dish and he isn't coating anyone with blood. Look at it this way. I pay 50 bucks a season to see all the NFL games I want, plus some NCAA. Except, for that 50 bucks, I can't see my home team, because it's blacked out by the national stations in my area. I have to watch their medium or not at all. Much more than that, if my favorite team makes it to the playoffs, or ANY televised game, then I'm stuck switching back to my less quality games through my antenna. So basically, I've paid 50 a season for the worst games and no playoffs. And Larry Lunchpail laps it up! no complaints. this has been going on since the satelite tv started. The only alternative I see is not worrying about the drivel they put up anyway, and watch PBS until they scramble that signal too.
Next thing you know Joe_potential_Lindows_User
will be "sending" a letter to congress praising M$'s "Right to Innovate", along with his dead cat, fish, and web server.
The Ukraine is a tacit memeber of opec a couple months ago, OPEC tried to cut oil production in response to the lower demand for oil. They needed a couple of countries to assent to this, as if they cut production by themselves, then only they would hurt and the other countries fill in the gap. Russia, Ukraine and other former Soviet countries rich in oil refused to participate in this oil cut backs and so our gas prices are at a 2 year low. (sorry don't have the url, but a decent search can pull it up). That means that if the Ukraine and Russia don't like this prohibitive tarriff on it's oil exports it can simply cut production w/the rest of OPEC and thus raise our prices for gas. Which means that indirectly *we* americans will be subsidising the IP lobby.
Isn't is ironic that the one tactic that drew the American colonies to revolt against England, America reuses again and again to gain leverage over countries dependent on American trade?
The only thing that this will cause is Ukraine products being shipped somewhere else. This doesn't sound too good, since the former Soviet Union prevented OPEC from cutting production on oil, thereby giving us low gas prices ($.99 where i live)just one month ago!
Hope this doesn't mean that my gas prices will go up to subsidise software companies' "right to innovate"
The reason why you can't get any practial application out of it is simple biology 101. When organisms evolve, survival of the fittest only means that the organism passes genetic material to a reproduced organism derived from itself. This *Does_Not* mean that the organism is the best at anything. Fittest may mean that the guy who should have drowned hopped on the back of the guy trying to save him and the *rescuer* is unfit becasue he/she was not able to pass on genetic material becasue he/she died in the process.
Imagine that there was a super fast and highly intelligent structure in this chip that was thrown out because it's pathways took too much energy and caused too much heat, while another less spectacular contruction happened to survive because it did half the work at half the efficiency yet cost less energy and so produced less heat. So you might come up with a chip that is a evolutionary dead end and way less efficient; sure it can hear a tone, but more than that may not be possible.
You can always run a "business" and allow trade in's for store credit. That way you can get a lot of decent legacy hardware, have some spare parts for yourself and charge $100AU to the next guy who wants EDO to put in his legacy boxen.
Imagine cashing your monthly paycheck at a bank and the bank hands you a couple of phony bills. you think the bank is going to check billions of bills?
You go out to a restaurant with your sweetie to eat. You pay in cash, EUROs, and the cashier doesn't like your looks, so he checks the bills with his EUROCHECKER. The bills come up bogus. At best, the cashier returns your bills and demands a credit card w/picture ID. Or he confiscates the bills and notifies security. Or he calls the cops.
You go to the bank to redress your grievance and they explain that it is YOUR responsibility for verifying that the bills are legal tender. However, only they and established businesses have these verifiers. So at best you are out a couple hundered, at worst you are a counterfieter.
Sound outlandish? So is going into this without oversight on who controls the verification of authenticity. Worse could be a "tax" that the bank charges to authenticate the bills, sort of like an added "feature" in you checking account.
Meanwhile, the busiest sites are increasingly run by a handful of companies, giving them greater ability to control what users read, view and say. By running the message boards and chat rooms, such sites can delete unpopular viewpoints or reveal identities of anonymous critics
Now would be a great time to just shrug your shoulders and refuse to contribute to a world where you have no place.
The only freedom we have left is the freedom not to condone, encourage, or participate.
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The article states that this is exactly what this does. The modulation is on LAYER 2, (emphasis on the layer) of the OSI model, so that doesn't matter what you are running. It'll get through. It's just a clock signal chip. Oxx, Txx both have clocking mechanisms to allow the high bw packet transfers and a chip on the clocking mechanism (say included in your csu,dsu on your cisco router), and an upgrade from the telco will allow this to happen, independent of what you are running. He mentions cable, but this could be used for many things, even wireless. (i think) any corrections to the contrary are gladly accepted.
If you don't know how to do it you shouldn't be doing it anyway
Riiiight. That's probably why you're still a virgin
Regarding the other replies to your argument. They were, in my opinion, non arguments and completely missing the point. They basically ignored your insights and facts about genetic cloning and organ harvesting and either called you hoodwinked or religious nut. There's Slashdot for you.
However . . . I do take exception to your proof of the fact that we CAN clone humans. Depends what your definition of clone is. If you believe a clone is a genetic copy of an organism, then you are accurate. if you believe that a clone is a genetic copy of an organism, able to exist under the same conditions as the original, and at the same time be as *viable* (able to survive and reproduce) Then your assumation is incorrect. The *clones* that have been produced are not *successes*. Most of the clones suffer from obeisity, malformed organs and horrible defects. Dolly, the cloned sheep, her clone is her_exact_age_. What does that mean? It means that the scientists cloned her telomeres, which determine life span of cell mitosis. Telomeres start out "long" when we are young and end up "short" when we grow old. guess what? That 2yr old sheep has the telomeres of an old one. So she has as many years left as Dolly, and is growing old at an alarming rate.
It might be suicide for a company to produce evidence that states that infact that the research produces no acceptable alternative to what we already have, inother words, they might have produced a non-event (sort of like the engine that runs on water SUUUURE, now lets harvest water as a fuel source instead of oil- -that'll solve are energy problems!) ):0
Well, if you're saying that your system is already flawed. Anaphalectic shock is produced when an antigen accepting compound, which usually attracts killer cells, attaches to the killer cell and then does sort of a "wish bone" effect, tearing open the killer cells and releasing the poison intended for the antigens into your body. So, I guess if you mean that your system's AI is flawed, then yes, your system could go into shock.
Sorry I replied in such a terrible manner to an obvious joke. But anaphalactic shock is most certainly caused by inherent flaws in the auto-immune system and not so much as the attacking organisms.
I would say that both points are valid, a system is usually compromised by an outside person finding out INSIDE information. (passwords, p2p, trojans,) If access were locked down at the USER or NODE level then the 733t hax0r has a big box of cookies with no milk to dunk them in. That coupled with an outside defense system (firewall), trebled with a "compromised network" response (biological defense) would make a lockdown absolute.
This however gives a very false sense of security without stiff penalties for violating the security policies. Remember, security is only as secure as the *least* secure factor. or person.
I would think that the redundancy of a "living breathing network" would produce so much overhead that upon activating a defence to a antigen, the network would be bogged down by the "immune system" communicating and travelling to the destination in a severe form of overkill.
That's pretty much what a fever is, and couldn't be too good for a enterprise, mission critical, high dollar amount network.
However, the transport system on a cellular level,
internal packets could be treated as water, and "osmosis" would let packets flow one way, and selective permeability could allow certain packets in and keep others out. (Very much like a firewall protects, but a intricately layered firewall that protects and admits with stunning accuracy.)
Packets could only leave through an active
I vote we send James Bond to the moon with a beautiful super model and prevent Dr. No and his international terrorist spy henchmen from conducting covert operations aimed at destroying the world!
Is any body with me???
you can go and pick it all day long, and then you can invite a bunch of friends over for a BBQ, and entertain them by picking it, and then discuss the finer arts of picking it with them. *That's* not illegal.
This could get *very* sophomoric, *very* quickly >:)
I don't think many are getting the reference. Means they are either too young or too old. That was a pretty lame movie, though at the time I thought that red-headed girl was pretty hot.
California! California!
The laws of the constitution are based on american values. in other words, because we believe that one that accuses should have ample proof to back up accusations, then the burden of proof is on the accuser. this is a matter of courtesy to the defender, so he has meat to tear into. bytheway, my email address is nibasmAThotmaildotcom.
I agree that a citizen must take the initiative. However, when one makes a statement on fact, it is incumbent on the person who makes the statement to provide evidence of this fact.
By the way, since when do votes of membership of any legislative body reflect anything but what they vote on? Without insight into the mind of a person, what proof do you have to belief, non belief or collusion?
I asked for *you* to provide me proof. you obviously live in America. In the united states, the burden of proof is on the accuser, not on the defender. If you don't have enough will or self respect to back up your accusations with proof, don't throw out irrational arguments and then ask for others to be enlightened. Without proof, your mind is the darkest of all.
Right. Without proof you argument is anecdotal and baseless and without merit. I can take your personal experience and tell you of tons that are opposite. For instance - My boss, his boss and their colleagues are *all* non-mormon.
There are dry areas all over the country
If you have an issue with being discriminated against because you are not of the mormon faith, there are grievance processes and *tons* of people willing to topple the mormon conspiracy.
I've seen *no* proof of your draconian guards in downtown Utah, and consider your gestapo description of the security down there strictly false. But of course you would do that because you refuse to look at facts and instead use your bias to cloud sound judgement. Oh, well, live and learn.
I've no objection to Mormons being politcally active, as it is in the intrest of every person, no matter what country they live in to be politically active, if only through self interest, or self preservation. However, I take exception that "the Mormons" are saying in their heart of hearts 'Hey, I know this guy is more qualified, but he doesn't go to my church so I'll give this guy a job because Jesus will love me more'
I do not deny, as in any society that there are those who will try to use position as religious leader to take advantage of those in their community. But as a religious institution, the Mormons do not tolerate that and it is evident that these people who may be *popular* leaders are are not nessecarily trusted to be *religious* leaders. When there is ample proof that someone *Legally* acts in contrary to that posistion, the community and the church are sure to censure the religous potency of the individual. And do as much as their influence can allow (as is evinced by people being excommunicated or disfellowshiped for campaigning on church grounds, or using a position of leadership to sell a product.(UT is *notorious* for Multi-Level-Marketing)
No litmus test nessecary? Isn't that the same thing that they tell you when you try do disprove them of their faith? How can you say then that what they believe and do is any less valid than what you do without proof to back it up?
I take exception to your implications that the "Mormons" are running the olympics and also politics. Just what do you mean by "Mormons"? Do you have any proof of this "mormon conspiracy"?
Is this based on facts and first hand experience? Could you give examples? As scientists, we should supply proof, and not speculation, especially in religion, when we are skeptical of their "suspension of belief" we should use the same rigorous criteria to judge our own perceptions of reality.
Utah and the "Mormons" have a great history of contributing to both open source and the technology industry. I find your statement to be nothing more than unsubstantiated claims about something that you know very little about. Very anathema for a man who makes his living off of math, science and logic.
Only to a certain extent. for instance. Larry Lunchpail already has local blackout on his satellite dish and he isn't coating anyone with blood. Look at it this way. I pay 50 bucks a season to see all the NFL games I want, plus some NCAA. Except, for that 50 bucks, I can't see my home team, because it's blacked out by the national stations in my area. I have to watch their medium or not at all. Much more than that, if my favorite team makes it to the playoffs, or ANY televised game, then I'm stuck switching back to my less quality games through my antenna. So basically, I've paid 50 a season for the worst games and no playoffs. And Larry Lunchpail laps it up! no complaints. this has been going on since the satelite tv started. The only alternative I see is not worrying about the drivel they put up anyway, and watch PBS until they scramble that signal too.
Next thing you know Joe_potential_Lindows_User
will be "sending" a letter to congress praising M$'s "Right to Innovate", along with his dead cat, fish, and web server.
You are one of the greatest trolls ever. what I'd really like to see is an all out troll fest between you and "Listen Up"
That would be soooooo cool.
The Ukraine is a tacit memeber of opec a couple months ago, OPEC tried to cut oil production in response to the lower demand for oil. They needed a couple of countries to assent to this, as if they cut production by themselves, then only they would hurt and the other countries fill in the gap. Russia, Ukraine and other former Soviet countries rich in oil refused to participate in this oil cut backs and so our gas prices are at a 2 year low. (sorry don't have the url, but a decent search can pull it up). That means that if the Ukraine and Russia don't like this prohibitive tarriff on it's oil exports it can simply cut production w/the rest of OPEC and thus raise our prices for gas. Which means that indirectly *we* americans will be subsidising the IP lobby.
Isn't is ironic that the one tactic that drew the American colonies to revolt against England, America reuses again and again to gain leverage over countries dependent on American trade?
The only thing that this will cause is Ukraine products being shipped somewhere else. This doesn't sound too good, since the former Soviet Union prevented OPEC from cutting production on oil, thereby giving us low gas prices ($.99 where i live)just one month ago!
Hope this doesn't mean that my gas prices will go up to subsidise software companies' "right to innovate"
The reason why you can't get any practial application out of it is simple biology 101. When organisms evolve, survival of the fittest only means that the organism passes genetic material to a reproduced organism derived from itself. This *Does_Not* mean that the organism is the best at anything. Fittest may mean that the guy who should have drowned hopped on the back of the guy trying to save him and the *rescuer* is unfit becasue he/she was not able to pass on genetic material becasue he/she died in the process.
Imagine that there was a super fast and highly intelligent structure in this chip that was thrown out because it's pathways took too much energy and caused too much heat, while another less spectacular contruction happened to survive because it did half the work at half the efficiency yet cost less energy and so produced less heat. So you might come up with a chip that is a evolutionary dead end and way less efficient; sure it can hear a tone, but more than that may not be possible.
You can always run a "business" and allow trade in's for store credit. That way you can get a lot of decent legacy hardware, have some spare parts for yourself and charge $100AU to the next guy who wants EDO to put in his legacy boxen.
Imagine cashing your monthly paycheck at a bank and the bank hands you a couple of phony bills. you think the bank is going to check billions of bills?
You go out to a restaurant with your sweetie to eat. You pay in cash, EUROs, and the cashier doesn't like your looks, so he checks the bills with his EUROCHECKER. The bills come up bogus. At best, the cashier returns your bills and demands a credit card w/picture ID. Or he confiscates the bills and notifies security. Or he calls the cops.
You go to the bank to redress your grievance and they explain that it is YOUR responsibility for verifying that the bills are legal tender. However, only they and established businesses have these verifiers. So at best you are out a couple hundered, at worst you are a counterfieter.
Sound outlandish? So is going into this without oversight on who controls the verification of authenticity. Worse could be a "tax" that the bank charges to authenticate the bills, sort of like an added "feature" in you checking account.
Meanwhile, the busiest sites are increasingly run by a handful of companies, giving them greater ability to control what users read, view and say. By running the message boards and chat rooms, such sites can delete unpopular viewpoints or reveal identities of anonymous critics
Now would be a great time to just shrug your shoulders and refuse to contribute to a world where you have no place.
The only freedom we have left is the freedom not to condone, encourage, or participate.
Until there is freedom, let there be silence
I wish there were a way to transfer karma. You deserve the mod points. Thanks for the heads up.