Nothing is inherently wrong with a GUI (i use one all the time), but realisticly MS just can't compete on the CLI level, that's all I'm saying - just like Linux sucks with a GUI. Saying everything can be automated using WSH on Win2k is like saying anything can be automated on UNIX using Perl - it can be done, with a lot of power, but there 's a learning curve involved for people who just want to automate something simple that they type - remember how easy it was to do a few things in batch files?
And I really don't understand how using a CLI is difficult. On a server I generally see no reason to run a GUI at all. No one sits at the computer, it serves no purpose.
Of course I wouldn't install a GUI on my server - but does Win2k or WinXP give you that option?
Simply put windows just doesn't have much functionality without a GUI, and many MS tools absolutely depend on it. Aside from that, strategically MS must to focus on their GUI. Why? Look at the functionality of cmd.exe vs bash . When you take things to a CLI level, UNIX is far superior. And lets face it, many in the MS world are just afraid of the command prompt.
Friday and Saturday evenings when students are busy downloading MP3s and pr0n
A college where students spend Friday and Saturday evenings on the computer downloading instead of partying, probably needs all the help in recruitment that it can get.
the nice thing about the BSD bootloader is that it dynamically seems to know what's on your system and will let you boot into them (even if you install an OS after the BSD bootloader). But I've had some problems with both grub and lilo, so I'm probably biased.
Any other good suggestions for groupware that can match all the functionality of exchange? (and not Lotus notes either). Really exchange doesn't seem that complex from the outside, but maybe I'm missing something because I haven't seen anything equivalent. It really surprises me that no one has come up with a web based Open source solution with as much functionality.
Mercury was discovered to actually have an extremely thin atmosphere fairly recently. Although I can't recall if it's native to the planet or captured from the sun.
I have found that ogg -q 0 (~64Kbit) is as good as 128Kbit Mp3...
I don't know what you're smoking that makes ogg sound that good at that rate, but give me some too. Most of the stuff I encode is q5, and I want to know how good it can get =P
As the IT department at the place I work, you can tell that to me all day and I say, tell that to management. Whenever I bring up the fact Outlook is insecure and virus prone, everyone says the same thing "but what would we use then". Even discussing something else with them I've already lost them in the conversation. Much like discussing alternatives to ANY microsoft product, I get blank looks like I just stepped off of a UFO. Microsoft has a lock on the market because people think they just can't use anything else. Thus the vicious cycle continues without end. Of course if your IT department actually defends Outlook then maybe they're just looking for job security or are a bunch of masochists.
Yeah, I would say this is a major step backwards. I mean even Windows 95 looks cleaner. To most people who consider a "modern" look to be a jelly-bean interface, this is a total joke.
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This reminds me of a manegement CGI script I wrote for a friend. The conversation went something like this.
friend: [clicking around on everything] me:...And as you see there you can delete things too. friend: [clicks delete] "Uh oh, what did that do?" me: you just deleted that entry friend: oh geeze. really? me: yes, that's why that big button says "DELETE"
later I had to add some javascript for a confirm because he felt it was "too dangerous". At times I wonder if Windows doesn't make people act more stupid by treating them like idiots.
My exact sentiments when I started my job at the place I work now. Less then a week since I'd gotten there and one of the computers with critical data (running a striped configuration noless) kicked the bucket. One drive, good, one drive bad. Try sending a raid 0 pair to data recovery sometime. You're lucky if you get them back with a post-it note that says "ha ha, good one!". Considering the distrubing number of IDE hard drives I've seen fall over dead in the last year, I would only do a mirror or raid 5 (which needs at least 3 drives and is more complicated to set up).
Are you seriously going to tell me that win9x has anywhere near the functionality and power of Linux (when remotely administered)? Really that's the only thing that's changed, but that is certainly dangerous enough.
I'll avoid bashing Microsoft directly at the moment despite the fact that I have problems with them as a business. I have a lot of issues with this "vision" of the future office, so here are a few points.
"It's dark" = The future workplace is full of EYESTRAIN.
"and hushed -- except for the Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound [...] Surround sound is going to be increasingly important in future offices..."
Riiiight. So now we have our own concealed cubicles? And where did they pull that Surround sound crap? Most places I've seen don't even have speakers hooked up to computers because they're disruptive. Now we have to build each person their own little enclosed cubicle, so they can listen to their cute email noise in surround sound. Anyone want to try to tell me how the benifits of this will far outweigh the cost?
Side point #1 - "Few of the products have names, and none has an expected delivery date or price." Sort of convinient as MS moves towards the subscription model. Think it's bad NOW being tech support and having people call you because their "thingy" is broken?
Side point #2 - I get surround sound, big new age LCD but no MS natural keyboard? (i prefer old school buckling spring myself, but whatever)
Aside from all this, does it all strike anyone as COMPLICATED? It seems like this works fine for tech companies such as IBM, Sun, MS, etc but what about other small/medium businesses. Most of the time just regular e-mail is a total clusterfuck, and now their talking sending video clips to car dashboards and signing in with a "biometric thumb-print detector"? I've seen this trend more and more with MS (among others). While user friendly is good, there is something to be said about KISS. It seems that Microsoft is getting more and more out of touch with "regular" buisnesses where people have a hard enough time getting e-mail right. Now I won't say that it isn't cool technology, but I mean almost all of this is just way beyond the scope of what small/medium buisnesses could ever hope to handle.
And where's my Athlon powered furnace/fireplace?:)
No, if she were really 1337 she would telnet into port 110 to check her mail, and port 25 to send it (which I actually do with putty from time to time on putty, well to check mail anyway)
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Imagine being pent up in a microscopic prison cell for your life
... bombarded incessantly with radiation
Okay, so I work in a cubicle all day...
Like sitting in front of a CRT all day long.
microbes: live in peace and quiet
me: has to put up with the phone
and some would say this has been happening for at least a hundred years already...
We all enjoy posting comments here, but they won't be read by the copyright office.
Which is a good thing, because we wouldn't want the copyright office to think that BSD is dying or Steven King was found dead in his home.
Nothing is inherently wrong with a GUI (i use one all the time), but realisticly MS just can't compete on the CLI level, that's all I'm saying - just like Linux sucks with a GUI. Saying everything can be automated using WSH on Win2k is like saying anything can be automated on UNIX using Perl - it can be done, with a lot of power, but there 's a learning curve involved for people who just want to automate something simple that they type - remember how easy it was to do a few things in batch files?
And I really don't understand how using a CLI is difficult. On a server I generally see no reason to run a GUI at all. No one sits at the computer, it serves no purpose.
Of course I wouldn't install a GUI on my server - but does Win2k or WinXP give you that option?
Simply put windows just doesn't have much functionality without a GUI, and many MS tools absolutely depend on it. Aside from that, strategically MS must to focus on their GUI. Why? Look at the functionality of cmd.exe vs bash . When you take things to a CLI level, UNIX is far superior. And lets face it, many in the MS world are just afraid of the command prompt.
Friday and Saturday evenings when students are busy downloading MP3s and pr0n
A college where students spend Friday and Saturday evenings on the computer downloading instead of partying, probably needs all the help in recruitment that it can get.
If perl could talk, it would be the ultamate in l33t speak.
the nice thing about the BSD bootloader is that it dynamically seems to know what's on your system and will let you boot into them (even if you install an OS after the BSD bootloader). But I've had some problems with both grub and lilo, so I'm probably biased.
Any other good suggestions for groupware that can match all the functionality of exchange? (and not Lotus notes either). Really exchange doesn't seem that complex from the outside, but maybe I'm missing something because I haven't seen anything equivalent. It really surprises me that no one has come up with a web based Open source solution with as much functionality.
And yes I hate MS Exchange also.
Mercury was discovered to actually have an extremely thin atmosphere fairly recently. Although I can't recall if it's native to the planet or captured from the sun.
I have found that ogg -q 0 (~64Kbit) is as good as 128Kbit Mp3...
I don't know what you're smoking that makes ogg sound that good at that rate, but give me some too. Most of the stuff I encode is q5, and I want to know how good it can get =P
As the IT department at the place I work, you can tell that to me all day and I say, tell that to management. Whenever I bring up the fact Outlook is insecure and virus prone, everyone says the same thing "but what would we use then". Even discussing something else with them I've already lost them in the conversation. Much like discussing alternatives to ANY microsoft product, I get blank looks like I just stepped off of a UFO. Microsoft has a lock on the market because people think they just can't use anything else. Thus the vicious cycle continues without end. Of course if your IT department actually defends Outlook then maybe they're just looking for job security or are a bunch of masochists.
Hmm.... that's a good point!
Another reason to get gpg working.
Yeah, I would say this is a major step backwards. I mean even Windows 95 looks cleaner. To most people who consider a "modern" look to be a jelly-bean interface, this is a total joke.
This reminds me of a manegement CGI script I wrote for a friend. The conversation went something like this.
...And as you see there you can delete things too.
friend: [clicking around on everything]
me:
friend: [clicks delete] "Uh oh, what did that do?"
me: you just deleted that entry
friend: oh geeze. really?
me: yes, that's why that big button says "DELETE"
later I had to add some javascript for a confirm because he felt it was "too dangerous". At times I wonder if Windows doesn't make people act more stupid by treating them like idiots.
It's not really trashcan support until it harasses you at LEAST 3 times in order to delete anything.
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Apple =
Linux =
My exact sentiments when I started my job at the place I work now. Less then a week since I'd gotten there and one of the computers with critical data (running a striped configuration noless) kicked the bucket. One drive, good, one drive bad. Try sending a raid 0 pair to data recovery sometime. You're lucky if you get them back with a post-it note that says "ha ha, good one!". Considering the distrubing number of IDE hard drives I've seen fall over dead in the last year, I would only do a mirror or raid 5 (which needs at least 3 drives and is more complicated to set up).
Are you seriously going to tell me that win9x has anywhere near the functionality and power of Linux (when remotely administered)? Really that's the only thing that's changed, but that is certainly dangerous enough.
I'll avoid bashing Microsoft directly at the moment despite the fact that I have problems with them as a business. I have a lot of issues with this "vision" of the future office, so here are a few points.
..."
:)
"It's dark" = The future workplace is full of EYESTRAIN.
"and hushed -- except for the Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound [...] Surround sound is going to be increasingly important in future offices
Riiiight. So now we have our own concealed cubicles? And where did they pull that Surround sound crap? Most places I've seen don't even have speakers hooked up to computers because they're disruptive. Now we have to build each person their own little enclosed cubicle, so they can listen to their cute email noise in surround sound. Anyone want to try to tell me how the benifits of this will far outweigh the cost?
Side point #1 - "Few of the products have names, and none has an expected delivery date or price."
Sort of convinient as MS moves towards the subscription model. Think it's bad NOW being tech support and having people call you because their "thingy" is broken?
Side point #2 - I get surround sound, big new age LCD but no MS natural keyboard? (i prefer old school buckling spring myself, but whatever)
Aside from all this, does it all strike anyone as COMPLICATED? It seems like this works fine for tech companies such as IBM, Sun, MS, etc but what about other small/medium businesses. Most of the time just regular e-mail is a total clusterfuck, and now their talking sending video clips to car dashboards and signing in with a "biometric thumb-print detector"? I've seen this trend more and more with MS (among others). While user friendly is good, there is something to be said about KISS. It seems that Microsoft is getting more and more out of touch with "regular" buisnesses where people have a hard enough time getting e-mail right. Now I won't say that it isn't cool technology, but I mean almost all of this is just way beyond the scope of what small/medium buisnesses could ever hope to handle.
And where's my Athlon powered furnace/fireplace?
An ISP tech can tell you're out of town by the sudden lack of incomming porn on your connection. No need for intercepting e-mail to figure that out.
No, if she were really 1337 she would telnet into port 110 to check her mail, and port 25 to send it (which I actually do with putty from time to time on putty, well to check mail anyway)
You can get Links that has image support (yeah, I didn't believe it either until yesterday)
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hasn't this argument been going on since the disuse of the slide rule?
I mean, for god's sake, 5 years later, 3 service pack later, windows 2000 *STILL* has that bug.
Yes but you're still using windows aren't you? When most users don't care, why should they?