I just made a 2.5.1, but I'm still concentrating on bio stuff, so don't
bother sending me other patches unless they are serious bug-fixes to
something else.
2.5.1 is hopefully a good interim stage - many block drivers should work
fine, but many more do not. However, the pre-patches were getting
largish, so I'd rather do a 2.5.1 than wait for all the details.
As to other stuff - note the separation of drivers for new and old tulip
chips: if you have an old 2104x tulip chip (as opposed to the newer 2114x
chips) the regular tulip driver doesn't work any more for you. Don't be
surprised, select CONFIG_DE2104X.
What really scrares me is what you see if you look closely on the whiteboard behind the three:
Words like "WinXP", "Windows 2000" and "OSR2" appear if you zoom in with the Gimp.
Erik has got it all backward; he ignores the laws of supply/demand, so I'll try to explain why:
Technology is the application of knowledge to pratical issues when there is a demand to fullfill. Thus, demand for a certain technology is created when applied knowledge can be applied to improve things.
Eric on the other hand, created a videocodec first, and now he doesn't know what to do with it. The competition are all fullfulling a niche (Mpeg is technology for DVDs, DivX is technology to decrease file-size for piracy purposes (and other stuff that nobody cares about:)
Therefore, it's not that surprising that he is having problems with the finances. Any thechnology has to be used for something.
IMHO, that's what drives all opensource projects: there is demand for software to fullfull certain purposes, (eg Gimp grokks with graphics), and that's where this project has _fundimentally_ failed. It's tough to drive a project that has no goal!
Abiword is far behind it's competition, and has already lost the battle against StarOffice and MsOffice. While both Staroffice and Abiword are free (as in fish); StarOffice has a much more impressive feature list: multiplatform support, much better support for WordXP/2K import/export, java, international spellchecker etc.
Why should anyone bother with the "weak" Abiword then? I think it compares well with the pathetic as KWord and notepad for Windows.
The Abiword developers sais it well in their press-release: "we're less then a dozen, and we are lagging behind.." (almost exact quote)
If the opensource development model is supposed to stand a chance, they need lots and lots of developers and beta-testers. That's why they don't stand a chance against Sun or the M$ money-muscle.
Still, they do the best they can. Abiword is bundled with several distributions (such as Madrake and SuSE). That's good, since then a lot of people test it out. (which is one of the things they requested in the article)
So, I wish them good luck, but in these dot-bomb days, I don't think that Abiword will put food on anyones tables!
So what if there is more bandwidth out to the world? My university-connection is still very limited by my 10Mbit network card:=)
...even though it's connected to the GÉANT's weathermap through Uninett, I can't see myself in that picture. I'm in Norway, and there is no line to Norway on the weathermap, even though there should be one because of UNINETT.
In my opinion, if you get a cheap dual CPU system just because it has two CPU's, then it's not worth it. Other aspects are far more important than having two CPU's. CPU cache is extremely important with SMP, because cache its used to coordinate operations between the CPUs. That's why cheap dual-Celeron systems perform so poorly. SMP with two AthlonMps is prabably the best value system, (at least according to the linked article). The AthlonMP has a lot of cache, and doesn't cost that much. But IMHO a single AthlonXP would probably would be even better, because then you could afford more Mhz and RAM (which is what you want). Most also overclock easily:)
Commercial software packages (3dstudio etc) would not be of much use of a very cheap system because of the harsh requirements. There are lots of excellent free software packages that do the job just as good. Blender and Moonlight3d are free, and they run on Linux! (Blender runs on almost anthing Python runs on).
My experience with running Moonlight 3d in Linux is that there is not much performance difference with SMP. There is simply too much overhead when coordinating two CPUs, so it's a waste of money.
I installed Civ3 last weekend, and haven't been doing much else this past week. While playing the game, I didn't think about food or sleep. I was so absorbed with the game that it was all I thought about.
Too bad I have my university-exams also this week. *priorities!*
"Linus Torvalds" wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.33.0111301643170.1224-100000@pengu in.transmeta.com...
>
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Rik van Riel wrote:
> >
> > I'm very interested too, though I'll have to agree with Larry
> > that Linux really isn't going anywhere in particular and seems
> > to be making progress through sheer luck.
>
> Hey, that's not a bug, that's a FEATURE!
>
> You know what the most complex piece of engineering known to man in the
> whole solar system is?
>
> Guess what - it's not Linux, it's not Solaris, and it's not your car.
>
> It's you. And me.
>
> And think about how you and me actually came about - not through any
> complex design.
>
> Right. "sheer luck".
>
> Well, sheer luck, AND:
> - free availability and _crosspollination_ through sharing of "source
> code", although biologists call it DNA.
> - a rather unforgiving user environment, that happily replaces bad
> versions of us with better working versions and thus culls the herd
> (biologists often call this "survival of the fittest")
> - massive undirected parallel development ("trial and error")
>
> I'm deadly serious: we humans have _never_ been able to replicate
> something more complicated than what we ourselves are, yet natural
> selection did it without even thinking.
>
> Don't underestimate the power of survival of the fittest.
My personal opinion is that RMS deserve to be on the GNOME foundation board; because he has sacrificed a lot of his lifetime to free software. Even Telsa Gwynne made it to the board, although she has no education, and can't code one line.
Someone call Oprah: now Telsa should get a real makeover!!
"ext3 catches my fancy because there's no ext2 --> ext3 conversion "
In addition, you can actually read ext3 from a kernel then only supports ext2. Only catch is that the partition has to be cleanly unmounted for this to work. This is a "Really Good Thing (TM)", because then you can to boot from an old bootdisk and still access your files, or if you are running multiple distributions.
Slashdot Mirror
Where are the "I don't care, dude" answers? That's always Linus Torvalds favorite answer!
I just made a 2.5.1, but I'm still concentrating on bio stuff, so don't
bother sending me other patches unless they are serious bug-fixes to
something else.
2.5.1 is hopefully a good interim stage - many block drivers should work
fine, but many more do not. However, the pre-patches were getting
largish, so I'd rather do a 2.5.1 than wait for all the details.
As to other stuff - note the separation of drivers for new and old tulip
chips: if you have an old 2104x tulip chip (as opposed to the newer 2114x
chips) the regular tulip driver doesn't work any more for you. Don't be
surprised, select CONFIG_DE2104X.
Linus
..is what I am looking for. Not even Google doesn't have it in it's cache.
What really scrares me is what you see if you look closely on the whiteboard behind the three:
Words like "WinXP", "Windows 2000" and "OSR2" appear if you zoom in with the Gimp.
I'm not being paranoid, am I ?
Erik has got it all backward; he ignores the laws of supply/demand, so I'll try to explain why:
Technology is the application of knowledge to pratical issues when there is a demand to fullfill. Thus, demand for a certain technology is created when applied knowledge can be applied to improve things.
Eric on the other hand, created a videocodec first, and now he doesn't know what to do with it. The competition are all fullfulling a niche (Mpeg is technology for DVDs, DivX is technology to decrease file-size for piracy purposes (and other stuff that nobody cares about:)
Therefore, it's not that surprising that he is having problems with the finances. Any thechnology has to be used for something.
IMHO, that's what drives all opensource projects: there is demand for software to fullfull certain purposes, (eg Gimp grokks with graphics), and that's where this project has _fundimentally_ failed. It's tough to drive a project that has no goal!
Do you have any bad habits?
The first mention of Slashdot
Slashdot back in 1997.
Microsoft released the DRM-update on WindowsUpdate today.
Abiword is far behind it's competition, and has already lost the battle against StarOffice and MsOffice. While both Staroffice and Abiword are free (as in fish); StarOffice has a much more impressive feature list: multiplatform support, much better support for WordXP/2K import/export, java, international spellchecker etc.
Why should anyone bother with the "weak" Abiword then? I think it compares well with the pathetic as KWord and notepad for Windows.
The Abiword developers sais it well in their press-release: "we're less then a dozen, and we are lagging behind.." (almost exact quote)
If the opensource development model is supposed to stand a chance, they need lots and lots of developers and beta-testers. That's why they don't stand a chance against Sun or the M$ money-muscle.
Still, they do the best they can. Abiword is bundled with several distributions (such as Madrake and SuSE). That's good, since then a lot of people test it out. (which is one of the things they requested in the article)
So, I wish them good luck, but in these dot-bomb days, I don't think that Abiword will put food on anyones tables!
His favourite sig:
.. ahhhh" Torvalds
Linus "God, not the flamethrower
I wonder if he still uses it?
Actually, digging deeper into searching, I dound that he also posted in 1990 (from a drifferent email) It's found here. ;)
His first post. It was posted in 1991.
I think this is kind of scary (if it's abused like what I am doing here)
here is the first mention of Slashdot on USENET!
Back in 1997, this was the first post to news about Slashdot!
Thanksfully, it's still around!
Read the books again instead!
There is no way that a three-hour film can equal
the words of Tolkien.
>So that means that this [google.com] is currently THE first post!
I was one month old back then!
In my opinion, if you get a cheap dual CPU system just because it has two CPU's, then it's not worth it. Other aspects are far more important than having two CPU's. CPU cache is extremely important with SMP, because cache its used to coordinate operations between the CPUs. That's why cheap dual-Celeron systems perform so poorly. :)
SMP with two AthlonMps is prabably the best value system, (at least according to the linked article). The AthlonMP has a lot of cache, and doesn't cost that much. But IMHO a single AthlonXP would probably would be even better, because then you could afford more Mhz and RAM (which is what you want). Most also overclock easily
Commercial software packages (3dstudio etc) would not be of much use of a very cheap system because of the harsh requirements. There are lots of excellent free software packages that do the job just as good. Blender and Moonlight3d are free, and they run on Linux! (Blender runs on almost anthing Python runs on).
My experience with running Moonlight 3d in Linux is that there is not much performance difference with SMP. There is simply too much overhead when coordinating two CPUs, so it's a waste of money.
Why not post the ROM-image on Slashdot?
After all, it's our *right* to reverse-engeneer.
We have to keep up the tradition of pissing up M$.
I installed Civ3 last weekend, and haven't been doing much else this past week. While playing the game, I didn't think about food or sleep. I was so absorbed with the game that it was all I thought about.
Too bad I have my university-exams also this week. *priorities!*
"-Just for fun!"
Linus is cool. When is he going to be on Oprah?
Will he make it before David Letterman, do you think?
"Linus Torvalds" wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.33.0111301643170.1224-100000@pengu in.transmeta.com...
>
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Rik van Riel wrote:
> >
> > I'm very interested too, though I'll have to agree with Larry
> > that Linux really isn't going anywhere in particular and seems
> > to be making progress through sheer luck.
>
> Hey, that's not a bug, that's a FEATURE!
>
> You know what the most complex piece of engineering known to man in the
> whole solar system is?
>
> Guess what - it's not Linux, it's not Solaris, and it's not your car.
>
> It's you. And me.
>
> And think about how you and me actually came about - not through any
> complex design.
>
> Right. "sheer luck".
>
> Well, sheer luck, AND:
> - free availability and _crosspollination_ through sharing of "source
> code", although biologists call it DNA.
> - a rather unforgiving user environment, that happily replaces bad
> versions of us with better working versions and thus culls the herd
> (biologists often call this "survival of the fittest")
> - massive undirected parallel development ("trial and error")
>
> I'm deadly serious: we humans have _never_ been able to replicate
> something more complicated than what we ourselves are, yet natural
> selection did it without even thinking.
>
> Don't underestimate the power of survival of the fittest.
I though they had just released 2.5 ?
Code at the speed of light!
My personal opinion is that RMS deserve to be on the GNOME foundation board; because he has sacrificed a lot of his lifetime to free software. Even Telsa Gwynne made it to the board, although she has no education, and can't code one line.
Someone call Oprah: now Telsa should get a real makeover!!
"ext3 catches my fancy because there's no ext2 --> ext3 conversion "
In addition, you can actually read ext3 from a kernel then only supports ext2. Only catch is that the partition has to be cleanly unmounted for this to work. This is a "Really Good Thing (TM)", because then you can to boot from an old bootdisk and still access your files, or if you are running multiple distributions.