Man, you just don't get it do you? Verifiable means that someone tells me something, and I can go check it out myself. It's also known as the scientific method, you know the way a scientist makes a claim such as: "Pluto exists over there." and another, independent party can verify that "yes, what my esteemed colleage has reported is indeed a fact, it does it exist over there". This is done by reproducing the conditions and verifing the results (pointing the telescope at the sky where it is claimed to be, and seeing that, infact, it is there).
Alien abductions, UFOs, etc do not enable you to use the scientific method. This is because, as you stated in an earlier post: "pluto is a regularly occuring phenomena" and UFO sightings are not. This makes the two examples mutually exclusive - and their comparison ludicris. "You have no basis for being that sure. You have no first hand evidence. Your belief stems purely from the fact that somebody told you it exists and you believed them. You also proably read it in a book and believed what you read. That's it. That is entire basis for your 99% proof. Pretty damned flimsy if you ask me." WTF? It has been reported via several reputable sources. It was predicted before it was found, based on the indirect observation (the effects of a body not yet proven to exist, but evidenced through measurements of effects on bodies in the solar system.)Flimsey? Such as the speed of light is 186000 miles per second, the earth is round, the sun is 93 million miles away. How do you know any of this is true? Do you accept any of these accepted truths? If so, why? 'Cause someone told you, or you saw pictures, or Einstein seemed like a nice enough guy?
You keep forgetting that all I am saying is comparing the possibilty of the existence of Pluto to the existence of UFOs/Aliens is a bad example.
Man, I live in Phoenix, I saw the lights, 1000s of us did, we have received no explanation.But until it lands in my backyard or something similiar, I assume there is a reasonable explanation, such as a secret aircraft, miliary flairs etc. I still believe in the existence of Pluto - but as much as I want to believe in spacemen, until I have verifiable proof, the reports are baseless. Do not assume I am uneducated on the many reports of UFOs/aliens, I simply believe your example/logic is flawed.
Pluto Is A Bad Example and is not relevant when talking about UFO sightings.
I essentially agree with you, just not your example. The flawed example takes away from your argument. This and the fact you say crap like: "but even if less then 1% of it was credible you would still have more evidence for the existance of UFOs then pluto."
wtf? Define credible. If there was tangible proof, then yes you are correct - but there is not tangible proof thus it is hearsay unless I can verify it's existence through other scientific methods. As it it stands, there are orders of magnitudes greater evidence for the existence of Pluto, versus UFOs/Aliens.
Back to the topic at hand: Pluto's proof of existence vs UFO's (Aliens) proof, the flawed example.
Pluto is verifiable by very qualified people from all countries, with scientific rigor with no reason to lie.
UFO sitings are not verifiable - by anyone, no matter how much they want to believe, no matter how qualified they are, and are generally reported by the same people who want to get on "Springer".
NOTHING is certain, all you can do is reduce the percentage that what you are being told is false. I am 99% sure Pluto exists (barring us living in some sort of "matrix" or some world wide scientific conspiracy)
Can you find one example of a "recorded UFO phenomena" that you are equally sure of?
Understand that I know that it isn't just drunken rednecks that see Aliens, the point is that it is much easier to report something when there is not a burden of proof (UFO sighting), vs something that does (a new planet in our solar system).
Tell me that it is not painfully obvious how different the two examples are, and how flawed it is to compare the two. If this is not possible for you, then you are more intested in asserting your opinions than using any sort of logic or reason to arrive at them.
no, I did not miss your point. My point is this: People have a reason to lie about aliens, not new planets. In addition, planetary existence can be repeatedly, independently verified.There is observable evidence of the existence of pluto - no, I haven't been to pluto, yes they could have made it up - but I trust Dr. Clyde Tombaugh and his recorded, verifiable observations much more than rednecks. The difference is this: Any astronomer with time on a large enough telescope can look up and see pluto. When some drunken redneck says he got anal probed, you have to take him at his word. Two completely different scenarios. Basically you are comparing verifiable evidence and the word of all astronomers against drunken rednecks - and having the balls to say they are the same. That's crazy talk.
Again, your example is flawed, and you should use it with less critically thinking people - perhaps some drunken rednecks.
Your logic is flawed, it's called a red herring. Do you see a bunch of rednecks making up stories about non-existent planets? No. Why? Because alien stories are far more interesting. I guess you could make up the story about about Pluto, but does its existence really add anything spectacular to the solar system? No. Now the existence of intelligent life from another world - that has HUGE social effects on Earth. Our whole outlook on the universe would change, religion would be rattled to its core and or planet would have a unifying purpose.
Red herring This fallacy is committed when someone introduces irrelevant material to the issue being discussed, so that everyone's attention is diverted away from the points made, towards a different conclusion.
You sir, are an idiot. If you find this offensive, you are looking to be offended. Consider the statement as such:
"Think about that the next time you think you need to annoy your neighbors with the latest and greatest [insert current most over played artist here] ring tone."
You could have any artist in there. How about this, put in any white person in that box - would it be offensive then? No? Then why is it offensive now?
NOONE is better than anyone else, even if it hasn't always seemed that way. Your attitude continues the hate.
Do you reeeaaally think that someone would put an intentionally racist comment on the front page? Could it be you just *maybe* overreacted? Fucking instigating motherfucker, I'll bet you think affirmative action is a good thing as well. Who's the racist? You are, IMnshO.
Well, pretending to work got us a $150,000 PO last week from a MAJOR semiconductor manufacturer. So if "pretending to work" will get us a PO of that size in this economy, I'll stick to pretending.
Those who use Java for anything that requires an app server realize this is a signicant post. JBoss is one of the best open source app servers available. Basically, if you use Java, you understand the point. This isn't to say that Java is the best, or that everything else sux, but if you are interested in programming, Java should be on your radar - last I checked, programming and programming languages are a relevant "nerd" topic. If a significant Perl/C tool was affected this way, I doubt there would be any questions as to the validity or significance of this story.
No intention to stereotype, nor is there any anti-Semitism intended, but I have yet to meet a single Jew that didn't justify the persona in the definition of the negotiation tactics described in the parent post. Could be my only interaction with Jews to any extent has been on a professional level or watching the news on the "negotiations" between Israel and Palestine - but I digress.
How do you think those pictures were made? They were made by someone WITHOUT "a tenuous grip on reality." The demand encourages the crime. I don't look at it as "this guy's looking at child porn, so he must really rape kids" no, I look at it as "this guy's looking at pictures of someone who DID rape kids" to rob a child of their innocence and fuck them emotionally for life is possibly the worst crime...viewing the material just encourages it. Now to look at pictures of someone who chose or had the ability to rationally choose to be in them, I'm all down, no matter the genre. As an administrator, I ignore those pictures constantly.
Wouldn't you just have to take that chance? I mean, if you take away learning/experiencing new things - what else is there? If you happened to lose your life living it, wouldn't that be better than living your life by trying to keep from dying?
I know this is somewhat redundant, but I am faced with a similiar problem. Although my company is privately held and for profit, I am faced with the project of weening my users from exchange. I would love to replace it with a linux alternative, but the need for a proven exchange 5.5 migration tool is yet to rear its head. How is OpenExchange? If anyone knows of a good exchange migration tool, please, let me know - I have googled it to death and have yet to find something viable.
We have a Java class in our software that calls the config file (the "Big Daddy" File) and submits it to the main processing engine - we call it the "Lord of The Dance" class.
Terrorism? I think not. The motivation is money and power. If you haven't noticed, alot of America isn't quietly allowing Bush to do this, he is paid well to be deaf. The leadership is motivated to war for the same reasons France and Germany are currently trying to keep from it. See, if we (America) go to war, we get fat cash from Iraq's oil industry, the same fat cash that is currently going to France and Germany - which will become non-existent in a post-Saddam Iraq. Every country's opinion in this whole mess is motivated by money/power. The Arab leaders don't want war and prefer Saddam's exile because American occupation and the ensuing democracy will destablize the non-elected governments of the region. Bush wants war cause he is paid to want war. What the fuck can Saddam do to us with missles that have a distance of 120 miles vs 93 miles? None of it makes any sense until you see where the money is or is going to be.
I find it ironic that I just got off the phone working out a RMA for a fujitsu scsi I just received today that would not even power up. Here I am thinking "what the hell am I doing wrong, this is a brand new drive". Piece of junk.
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Man, you just don't get it do you? Verifiable means that someone tells me something, and I can go check it out myself. It's also known as the scientific method, you know the way a scientist makes a claim such as: "Pluto exists over there." and another, independent party can verify that "yes, what my esteemed colleage has reported is indeed a fact, it does it exist over there". This is done by reproducing the conditions and verifing the results (pointing the telescope at the sky where it is claimed to be, and seeing that, infact, it is there).
Alien abductions, UFOs, etc do not enable you to use the scientific method. This is because, as you stated in an earlier post: "pluto is a regularly occuring phenomena" and UFO sightings are not. This makes the two examples mutually exclusive - and their comparison ludicris.
"You have no basis for being that sure. You have no first hand evidence. Your belief stems purely from the fact that somebody told you it exists and you believed them. You also proably read it in a book and believed what you read. That's it. That is entire basis for your 99% proof. Pretty damned flimsy if you ask me."
WTF? It has been reported via several reputable sources. It was predicted before it was found, based on the indirect observation (the effects of a body not yet proven to exist, but evidenced through measurements of effects on bodies in the solar system.)Flimsey? Such as the speed of light is 186000 miles per second, the earth is round, the sun is 93 million miles away. How do you know any of this is true? Do you accept any of these accepted truths? If so, why? 'Cause someone told you, or you saw pictures, or Einstein seemed like a nice enough guy?
You keep forgetting that all I am saying is comparing the possibilty of the existence of Pluto to the existence of UFOs/Aliens is a bad example.
Man, I live in Phoenix, I saw the lights, 1000s of us did, we have received no explanation.But until it lands in my backyard or something similiar, I assume there is a reasonable explanation, such as a secret aircraft, miliary flairs etc. I still believe in the existence of Pluto - but as much as I want to believe in spacemen, until I have verifiable proof, the reports are baseless. Do not assume I am uneducated on the many reports of UFOs/aliens, I simply believe your example/logic is flawed.
Pluto Is A Bad Example and is not relevant when talking about UFO sightings.
I essentially agree with you, just not your example. The flawed example takes away from your argument. This and the fact you say crap like:
"but even if less then 1% of it was credible you would still have more evidence for the existance of UFOs then pluto."
wtf? Define credible. If there was tangible proof, then yes you are correct - but there is not tangible proof thus it is hearsay unless I can verify it's existence through other scientific methods. As it it stands, there are orders of magnitudes greater evidence for the existence of Pluto, versus UFOs/Aliens.
Pluto's proof of existence vs UFO's (Aliens) proof, the flawed example.
NOTHING is certain, all you can do is reduce the percentage that what you are being told is false.
I am 99% sure Pluto exists (barring us living in some sort of "matrix" or some world wide scientific conspiracy)
Can you find one example of a "recorded UFO phenomena" that you are equally sure of?
Understand that I know that it isn't just drunken rednecks that see Aliens, the point is that it is much easier to report something when there is not a burden of proof (UFO sighting), vs something that does (a new planet in our solar system).
Tell me that it is not painfully obvious how different the two examples are, and how flawed it is to compare the two. If this is not possible for you, then you are more intested in asserting your opinions than using any sort of logic or reason to arrive at them.
no, I did not miss your point. My point is this:
People have a reason to lie about aliens, not new planets. In addition, planetary existence can be repeatedly, independently verified.There is observable evidence of the existence of pluto - no, I haven't been to pluto, yes they could have made it up - but I trust Dr. Clyde Tombaugh and his recorded, verifiable observations much more than rednecks. The difference is this:
Any astronomer with time on a large enough telescope can look up and see pluto. When some drunken redneck says he got anal probed, you have to take him at his word. Two completely different scenarios. Basically you are comparing verifiable evidence and the word of all astronomers against drunken rednecks - and having the balls to say they are the same. That's crazy talk.
Again, your example is flawed, and you should use it with less critically thinking people - perhaps some drunken rednecks.
Your logic is flawed, it's called a red herring. Do you see a bunch of rednecks making up stories about non-existent planets? No. Why? Because alien stories are far more interesting. I guess you could make up the story about about Pluto, but does its existence really add anything spectacular to the solar system? No. Now the existence of intelligent life from another world - that has HUGE social effects on Earth. Our whole outlook on the universe would change, religion would be rattled to its core and or planet would have a unifying purpose.
Red herring
This fallacy is committed when someone introduces irrelevant material to the issue being discussed, so that everyone's attention is diverted away from the points made, towards a different conclusion.
Amen brother.
You sir, are an idiot. If you find this offensive, you are looking to be offended. Consider the statement as such:
"Think about that the next time you think you need to annoy your neighbors with the latest and greatest [insert current most over played artist here] ring tone."
You could have any artist in there. How about this, put in any white person in that box - would it be offensive then? No? Then why is it offensive now?
NOONE is better than anyone else, even if it hasn't always seemed that way. Your attitude continues the hate.
Do you reeeaaally think that someone would put an intentionally racist comment on the front page? Could it be you just *maybe* overreacted?
Fucking instigating motherfucker, I'll bet you think affirmative action is a good thing as well. Who's the racist? You are, IMnshO.
Well, pretending to work got us a $150,000 PO last week from a MAJOR semiconductor manufacturer. So if "pretending to work" will get us a PO of that size in this economy, I'll stick to pretending.
Those who use Java for anything that requires an app server realize this is a signicant post. JBoss is one of the best open source app servers available. Basically, if you use Java, you understand the point. This isn't to say that Java is the best, or that everything else sux, but if you are interested in programming, Java should be on your radar - last I checked, programming and programming languages are a relevant "nerd" topic. If a significant Perl/C tool was affected this way, I doubt there would be any questions as to the validity or significance of this story.
So are you suggesting distributed computing via humans for our robot leaders? To what end? Do they wanna find aliens too?
No intention to stereotype, nor is there any anti-Semitism intended, but I have yet to meet a single Jew that didn't justify the persona in the definition of the negotiation tactics described in the parent post. Could be my only interaction with Jews to any extent has been on a professional level or watching the news on the "negotiations" between Israel and Palestine - but I digress.
How do you think those pictures were made? They were made by someone WITHOUT "a tenuous grip on reality." The demand encourages the crime. I don't look at it as "this guy's looking at child porn, so he must really rape kids" no, I look at it as "this guy's looking at pictures of someone who DID rape kids" to rob a child of their innocence and fuck them emotionally for life is possibly the worst crime...viewing the material just encourages it. Now to look at pictures of someone who chose or had the ability to rationally choose to be in them, I'm all down, no matter the genre. As an administrator, I ignore those pictures constantly.
Wouldn't you just have to take that chance? I mean, if you take away learning/experiencing new things - what else is there? If you happened to lose your life living it, wouldn't that be better than living your life by trying to keep from dying?
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Uh, Correction, "47% of Slashdot Users are using Windows as their main OS"1 27227&mode=nested
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/13/2
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I know this is somewhat redundant, but I am faced with a similiar problem. Although my company is privately held and for profit, I am faced with the project of weening my users from exchange. I would love to replace it with a linux alternative, but the need for a proven exchange 5.5 migration tool is yet to rear its head. How is OpenExchange? If anyone knows of a good exchange migration tool, please, let me know - I have googled it to death and have yet to find something viable.
We have a Java class in our software that calls the config file (the "Big Daddy" File) and submits it to the main processing engine - we call it the "Lord of The Dance" class.
Terrorism? I think not. The motivation is money and power. If you haven't noticed, alot of America isn't quietly allowing Bush to do this, he is paid well to be deaf. The leadership is motivated to war for the same reasons France and Germany are currently trying to keep from it. See, if we (America) go to war, we get fat cash from Iraq's oil industry, the same fat cash that is currently going to France and Germany - which will become non-existent in a post-Saddam Iraq. Every country's opinion in this whole mess is motivated by money/power. The Arab leaders don't want war and prefer Saddam's exile because American occupation and the ensuing democracy will destablize the non-elected governments of the region. Bush wants war cause he is paid to want war. What the fuck can Saddam do to us with missles that have a distance of 120 miles vs 93 miles? None of it makes any sense until you see where the money is or is going to be.
Damn
I gave a mod point to you - (insightful)
Damn
With the later versions I have had absolutely 0 problems.
...and the link is already slashdotted
I find it ironic that I just got off the phone working out a RMA for a fujitsu scsi I just received today that would not even power up. Here I am thinking "what the hell am I doing wrong, this is a brand new drive". Piece of junk.