Before we go off and slam the editors for a truly horrible week, maybe we should reflect on ourselves. I mean, who is really so blind that the same stories keep getting submitted?? People, check the damn site before rushing to submit a story! You're not planting a flag and won't go into the history books just for getting a story submission on/.
I think that's a great idea! Hubble may not be useful as far as US needs are concerned, but our garbage might be someone else's goldmine. A lot could be learned by a nascent space program just from interacting with Hubble and attempting to maintain it IMignorantO
Besides, don't tell anyone, but we need the money;-)
Any word on what this means for Bell Labs? Does SBC have an equivalent, or experience managing an organization like that? It would be a shame to see a legacy like that come to an end, sold or be spun off.
I am at this moment sitting in a class covering my company's SIP enabled devices (fortunately running on Linux), but I have yet to see the big deal. Honest question, what does SIP, an all in one protocal, offer you that traditional implementations don't? Note: I'm not referring to home users, so please no replies about calling porn services in Rumania for free:)
Let me get this straight, Microsoft buys another company, does a badge job on the product to slap their logos all over it, and suddenly it's something new and exciting? We might as well be reading the last review of Giant's software. I guess it's news because it's Microsoft, just like a divorce is news if your name is Brad and Jennifer or whatever...
RMS has nothing to do with the OSS movement. Your ad hominem attack on everyone in OSS you don't agree with might've been better if you had used ERS instead, but then you wouldn't have gotten a chance to use your _communist_ line, would you?
If you buy any SCO *nix product a _linux_ binary license is automatically included. This was a recent licensing change to make it look like SCO Source actually had a heartbeat. Someone probably bought Open Server and this is how SCO is playing it. For once, nothing to see here (presumably)
Was this response an open letter or from an e-mail interview? I've checked out catb.org and OSI's website and can't seem to find any in depth response from ESR
Over 600 shares for attaining RHCE or a similar certification. The trouble is that they drag out the time when you can actually sell the shares. I hope they're still in business then...;-)
Personally I'd rather just get a straight bonus than something of dubious value like stock. To me an RHCE isn't so much a marketable item than a validation of a person's skill set (flame suit on!)
Both Nortel and Avaya PBXs have command line driven user interfaces, which is what I'm referring to. That in itself is only a surface similarity to asterisk. While both are CLI based, the proprietary ones are built not only on simple to recall commands, but it's the TEXT interface where all you have to do is fill out the proper fields that makes them better IMO. asterisk just gives you a blank line. Welcome to your first Linux install. It's the difference between doing 'make oldconfig' and 'make menuconfig'. WTF did you think I was referring to, a GUI?;-)
IP Office isn't for large sites, which is what my post referred to. Not to down you, but you apparently have never used a Nortel or Avaya PBX designed for thousands of users, then you'd know what I was referring to. It's drop dead simple to configure them, until you get into the heavy call center features, that is. And yeah, IP Office is a joke
Ok, I'll take next! 'change dialplan', versus what exactly in asterisk? No need to respond, I've read their convoluted explanation of their concept of a dialplan. All that aside however, this isn't about knocking asterisk! I compared it to a Large Enterprise, and stated the obvious, that's all
From an enterprise viewpoint, that is a very large service base, asterisk is dead in the water until it can match the simplicity of the interfaces found on proprietary systems. This isn't a knock on asterisk as a technology solution, but the telcom admin of a large corporation isn't going to want to look at a text file to figure out his dialplan or use some arcane interface when on a more mature system he can use a simple command like 'display dialplan'. I don't doubt many people have used asterisk as a voice solution for some companies, but not for any major companies and certainly not for any huge call centers. RTFA, a CIO would sh*t if you showed him snippets from some text file. Not to mention the questionable logic of running your voice system on a white box computer. It may be fine and dandy when e-mail is down for an hour, but five minutes without phones is a lifetime for any serious company. 5 9's is not a joke in the voice world and actually a rational expectation. In other words, I support asterisk simply because I love open source, but don't kid yourself, right now it's just a hobby app (as seen from the enterprise)
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Crap! Wouldn't you know it, right after I just installed Yellow Dog too >:(
Set in both 400 A.D. and modern times
No, it's Set in both A.D. 400 and modern times
Thanks
Before we go off and slam the editors for a truly horrible week, maybe we should reflect on ourselves. I mean, who is really so blind that the same stories keep getting submitted?? People, check the damn site before rushing to submit a story! You're not planting a flag and won't go into the history books just for getting a story submission on /.
There's a plethora of Live CD's to choose from at the live cd list. As for customization, check out this how-to or this site dedicated to making live cds.
In yet another duped article
Thank you very much for an insightful answer to my trollish post. I was ignorant of the facts you stated.
could you please get your noses out of the air long enough to explain how such a goverment could have been designed in your socialist utopia?
At least we can vote our crappy politicians out of office to make them responsive
yes, I am trolling - but I still wanted to ask
As a consumer I know that I would have trouble sleeping at night if I knew that Napster To Go, Napster, or Windows Media DRM had been hacked.
Not
is "god", because I heard from a good source that only the most "1337" admins use that!
I think that's a great idea! Hubble may not be useful as far as US needs are concerned, but our garbage might be someone else's goldmine. A lot could be learned by a nascent space program just from interacting with Hubble and attempting to maintain it IMignorantO
;-)
Besides, don't tell anyone, but we need the money
Any word on what this means for Bell Labs? Does SBC have an equivalent, or experience managing an organization like that? It would be a shame to see a legacy like that come to an end, sold or be spun off.
Somehow Microsoft got into the same sentence as non-proprietary
Please correct and resubmit
I am at this moment sitting in a class covering my company's SIP enabled devices (fortunately running on Linux), but I have yet to see the big deal. :)
Honest question, what does SIP, an all in one protocal, offer you that traditional implementations don't?
Note: I'm not referring to home users, so please no replies about calling porn services in Rumania for free
Aliens? Mars is supposed to be an uninhabited system. this must be where the Rebel forces are hiding! Admiral Veers, deploy the fleet...
Let me get this straight, Microsoft buys another company, does a badge job on the product to slap their logos all over it, and suddenly it's something new and exciting? We might as well be reading the last review of Giant's software.
I guess it's news because it's Microsoft, just like a divorce is news if your name is Brad and Jennifer or whatever...
RMS has nothing to do with the OSS movement. Your ad hominem attack on everyone in OSS you don't agree with might've been better if you had used ERS instead, but then you wouldn't have gotten a chance to use your _communist_ line, would you?
back under your bridge...
Robots should use booze for fuel and belch flames.
If you buy any SCO *nix product a _linux_ binary license is automatically included. This was a recent licensing change to make it look like SCO Source actually had a heartbeat. Someone probably bought Open Server and this is how SCO is playing it. For once, nothing to see here (presumably)
Was this response an open letter or from an e-mail interview? I've checked out catb.org and OSI's website and can't seem to find any in depth response from ESR
I'm tired of the Euros and their damned 'go it alone' attitude! The world just became a more dangerous place.
Over 600 shares for attaining RHCE or a similar certification. The trouble is that they drag out the time when you can actually sell the shares. I hope they're still in business then... ;-)
Personally I'd rather just get a straight bonus than something of dubious value like stock. To me an RHCE isn't so much a marketable item than a validation of a person's skill set (flame suit on!)
Both Nortel and Avaya PBXs have command line driven user interfaces, which is what I'm referring to. That in itself is only a surface similarity to asterisk. While both are CLI based, the proprietary ones are built not only on simple to recall commands, but it's the TEXT interface where all you have to do is fill out the proper fields that makes them better IMO. asterisk just gives you a blank line. Welcome to your first Linux install. It's the difference between doing 'make oldconfig' and 'make menuconfig'. WTF did you think I was referring to, a GUI? ;-)
IP Office isn't for large sites, which is what my post referred to. Not to down you, but you apparently have never used a Nortel or Avaya PBX designed for thousands of users, then you'd know what I was referring to. It's drop dead simple to configure them, until you get into the heavy call center features, that is.
And yeah, IP Office is a joke
Ok, I'll take next! 'change dialplan', versus what exactly in asterisk? No need to respond, I've read their convoluted explanation of their concept of a dialplan.
All that aside however, this isn't about knocking asterisk! I compared it to a Large Enterprise, and stated the obvious, that's all
From an enterprise viewpoint, that is a very large service base, asterisk is dead in the water until it can match the simplicity of the interfaces found on proprietary systems. This isn't a knock on asterisk as a technology solution, but the telcom admin of a large corporation isn't going to want to look at a text file to figure out his dialplan or use some arcane interface when on a more mature system he can use a simple command like 'display dialplan'.
I don't doubt many people have used asterisk as a voice solution for some companies, but not for any major companies and certainly not for any huge call centers. RTFA, a CIO would sh*t if you showed him snippets from some text file. Not to mention the questionable logic of running your voice system on a white box computer. It may be fine and dandy when e-mail is down for an hour, but five minutes without phones is a lifetime for any serious company. 5 9's is not a joke in the voice world and actually a rational expectation.
In other words, I support asterisk simply because I love open source, but don't kid yourself, right now it's just a hobby app (as seen from the enterprise)