This is yet another example of the BBC news site telling stories like they are.. they don't demonise computer users and file sharers as 'filthy robbing pirates putting the hardworking people of the music industry out of work' but actually write informative and well researched stories.
Admittedly a few shaky ones slip through (like their blatant nVidia advert a few weeks ago) but overall I find them to be the Google equivilant of news.. fast, free, and very interesting.
Also worth adding.. Red Hat offered a response to this just a few days ago, and that can be found here - quite short, but an interesting read, and a good effort at making their customers feel a little more relaxed.
Agreed.. I can't see how SCO will continue to get away with this. It seems a bit of an irony that SCO want to protect the IP (god I hate that term) and work by all of those Unix engineers from so long ago.. yet is quite content to steamroller & attempt to claim ownership of all the hardwork and effort by the Linux coders of the past 10 or 11 years.
Laughable.
Please.. IBM, just take them to court or something!!
Its worth mentioning that Linux was designed to be able to run on multiple platforms with very little effort.
Its not like it got to where it is today, at say kernel 2.4.20 and someone decided to make it compile on a SPARC cpu instead of an x86 - the code is written and designed to compile on multiple platforms.. so i'd say the Linux kernel is optimised to run on any of its supported platforms!
Just wondered if you'd mind sharing a little info on the Red Hat training course you went on?
I am due to go on the RH253 with Red Hat here in the UK in a week or so - I just wanted to know how you found the course, whether it was worth the money, and if you enjoyed it?
I understand its quite hard going and that they cover a lot of ground in a small amount of time...?
I can understand what they are trying to say. I've seen Red Hat for sale in places that perhaps it shouldn't be (like Virgin Megastores, propped alongside normal commercial software). The problem is that the versions they have sat on the shelves are always hugely out of date, and are not likely to work with a lot of more recent hardware out of the box. I believe they had RH 7.1 when I was there last, compared with the current version of 9.
And if places like Virgin are trying to sell something like Linux to the general public (I can't imagine most regular Linux users would be buying out of date and overpriced box sets from a music & video games store), an 'old' version is going to have a Linux newbie bringing it back because it trashed their brand new Gateway PC.
I think perhaps this is for the best.. I just download Red Hat ISO's through the 'Instant ISO' thing on the Red Hat Network anyway!
Sheesh.. what do you expect? You are not using their client, ergo you are not eligable. If you want to get in on the chance to win some money, then bloody well download and install it.
I don't complain about not winning the lottery if I don't actually put a freaking ticket in.
Yet more machines for geeks to dribble over.. I know I wouldn't mind one of those on my desk, even if all I used it for was browsing the net and checking my email..
Though its worth bearing in mind that you can still pick up some half decent SGI workstations on eBay.. seen some SGI Octane / 20" Monitor / 768MB RAM bundles on UK eBay for around £350 which is a superb deal.. these things might be getting on a bit, but they certainly do shift.
I used to own both an old Indy and an Indigo2, both of which would be the equivilant of an 8086 in PeeCee computing terms.. but they still cruised along even on the latest version of Irix, and were surprisingly usable:)
I had the misfortune to catch Transformers Armada on childrens morning television here in the UK about a month or two back...
Its early, I just woke up, I flicked the TV on and I see Transformers and think "My god, this must be the new Transformers series.. this has to be worth watching!" - about 3 minutes later I can't bear to watch any more. The artwork was nice but the animation was awful, the voice acting was rubbish, and I couldn't even follow the plot.
I just wish they would just clean up and re-run the original stuff, and re-release the movie at the cinemas.. those cartoons were excellent, and the movie was fantastic - I know i'd love to go and see the movie at the cinema cause I missed it when it first came out!
Where I work, it always seems to be the custom to 'just do enough to work around the current problem' - but the result is it always comes to bite us on the ass later on.
In fact it has almost become legendary within the department that the powers that be will always choose the most blatantly inappropriate and half-assed solution to a problem, which leaves us picking up the pieces 6 or 12 months down the line.
Do it properly - do it right the first time. It saves so much ballache later on down the line.. time you shave off a project now will just be time owed, and you can bet that it'll try and take the time back when its most inconvenient to you!
I always liked Irix, and everyone I ever talked to who used Irix liked it. The GUI is about 500x more usable than the horrors of OpenWindows or CDE on Solaris.. bleugh.
This article is something like 10 small paragraphs long as an introduction to setting up and running (for a short while now) Linux. It is hardly worth the average Slashdot reader's time.
Why? Got something more pressing to deal with? Is your microwave macaroni cheese getting cold? I'd hardly consider surfing Slashdot a 'time critical' experience... sheesh.
Its gonna take some serious effort to get me off using Red Hat Linux. The latest versions, teamed with enterprise level RHN accounts make running multiple servers a dream.. I don't have any complaints with the product or the support, and their sales people are really friendly as well.
Can't wait to do my RH253 course with them next month:)
"Linux could still be used; it just wouldn't be free," Stowell said. "These people are upset because they've been enjoying a free ride for some time. They're upset their free ride will potentially be gone."
Maybe he needs to be reminded about GPL and what it stands for. I hate to tell you this Blake, but you and your bullshit company will get annhilated by IBM.
It sickens me that companies (and people) like this feel that potential threats to their business can potentially be converted into revenue streams simply because they have (in the short term at least) money to throw away on lawyers and big threats.
I hope IBM leave the judicial equivilant of a smouldering crater where the SCO office stood.
Um... the downloadable driver installer will actually compile a kernel module up for you if you aren't running a kernel that it already has a module for!!
Installed their driver on RH9 with the latest Red Hat kernel and it didn't have a prebuilt module for it.. so it downloaded some source and built one.
The Nvidia driver has consistently worked really well for me btw, across multiple systems that I have used it on.
Its something I thought about doing for a bit of fun.. but even though sites generally always say its perfectly safe if you set it up properly, I have this nagging doubt that i'd come back into my room and find my computer turned into an electrical water feature.
That and the fact that every forum I ever read where people discuss their water cooling solutions, they always jest about times when they have found they sprung a leak and found puddles of water at the bottom of their case.
I only ever want to hear about SCO a few more times.. in the Slashdot stories detailing how IBM has annhilated them in court, and how Mr McBride has been dragged through the streets and pelted with rotten fruit and vegetables:)
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This is yet another example of the BBC news site telling stories like they are.. they don't demonise computer users and file sharers as 'filthy robbing pirates putting the hardworking people of the music industry out of work' but actually write informative and well researched stories.
Admittedly a few shaky ones slip through (like their blatant nVidia advert a few weeks ago) but overall I find them to be the Google equivilant of news.. fast, free, and very interesting.
Holy cow... Microsoft must be getting desperate. They are really scraping the barrel with these AC anti-linux trolls on Slashdot! :)
Also worth adding.. Red Hat offered a response to this just a few days ago, and that can be found here - quite short, but an interesting read, and a good effort at making their customers feel a little more relaxed.
Except that Doom III isn't really vaporware, cause some people have already played the alpha version of it.
Not like DNF where we haven't seen any pictures or heard any details for about 3 years.
Agreed.. I can't see how SCO will continue to get away with this. It seems a bit of an irony that SCO want to protect the IP (god I hate that term) and work by all of those Unix engineers from so long ago.. yet is quite content to steamroller & attempt to claim ownership of all the hardwork and effort by the Linux coders of the past 10 or 11 years.
Laughable.
Please.. IBM, just take them to court or something!!
So er.. if you upgrade to a development series (or the 2.6.0-test1) kernel, you are immune from the suit?
Its worth mentioning that Linux was designed to be able to run on multiple platforms with very little effort.
Its not like it got to where it is today, at say kernel 2.4.20 and someone decided to make it compile on a SPARC cpu instead of an x86 - the code is written and designed to compile on multiple platforms.. so i'd say the Linux kernel is optimised to run on any of its supported platforms!
Just wondered if you'd mind sharing a little info on the Red Hat training course you went on?
I am due to go on the RH253 with Red Hat here in the UK in a week or so - I just wanted to know how you found the course, whether it was worth the money, and if you enjoyed it?
I understand its quite hard going and that they cover a lot of ground in a small amount of time...?
Cheers.
I can understand what they are trying to say. I've seen Red Hat for sale in places that perhaps it shouldn't be (like Virgin Megastores, propped alongside normal commercial software). The problem is that the versions they have sat on the shelves are always hugely out of date, and are not likely to work with a lot of more recent hardware out of the box. I believe they had RH 7.1 when I was there last, compared with the current version of 9.
And if places like Virgin are trying to sell something like Linux to the general public (I can't imagine most regular Linux users would be buying out of date and overpriced box sets from a music & video games store), an 'old' version is going to have a Linux newbie bringing it back because it trashed their brand new Gateway PC.
I think perhaps this is for the best.. I just download Red Hat ISO's through the 'Instant ISO' thing on the Red Hat Network anyway!
Sheesh.. what do you expect? You are not using their client, ergo you are not eligable. If you want to get in on the chance to win some money, then bloody well download and install it.
I don't complain about not winning the lottery if I don't actually put a freaking ticket in.
I bought my Indy system from Ian Mapleson :)
:)
But thanks for the links anyway
Yet more machines for geeks to dribble over.. I know I wouldn't mind one of those on my desk, even if all I used it for was browsing the net and checking my email..
:)
Though its worth bearing in mind that you can still pick up some half decent SGI workstations on eBay.. seen some SGI Octane / 20" Monitor / 768MB RAM bundles on UK eBay for around £350 which is a superb deal.. these things might be getting on a bit, but they certainly do shift.
I used to own both an old Indy and an Indigo2, both of which would be the equivilant of an 8086 in PeeCee computing terms.. but they still cruised along even on the latest version of Irix, and were surprisingly usable
Really must get another SGI some day..
I'm sure its an excellent service....... if you own an Apple Mac!
As soon as they release iTunes for Windows, I will at least give this service a look!
I had the misfortune to catch Transformers Armada on childrens morning television here in the UK about a month or two back...
Its early, I just woke up, I flicked the TV on and I see Transformers and think "My god, this must be the new Transformers series.. this has to be worth watching!" - about 3 minutes later I can't bear to watch any more. The artwork was nice but the animation was awful, the voice acting was rubbish, and I couldn't even follow the plot.
I just wish they would just clean up and re-run the original stuff, and re-release the movie at the cinemas.. those cartoons were excellent, and the movie was fantastic - I know i'd love to go and see the movie at the cinema cause I missed it when it first came out!
Where I work, it always seems to be the custom to 'just do enough to work around the current problem' - but the result is it always comes to bite us on the ass later on.
In fact it has almost become legendary within the department that the powers that be will always choose the most blatantly inappropriate and half-assed solution to a problem, which leaves us picking up the pieces 6 or 12 months down the line.
Do it properly - do it right the first time. It saves so much ballache later on down the line.. time you shave off a project now will just be time owed, and you can bet that it'll try and take the time back when its most inconvenient to you!
Um..
I always liked Irix, and everyone I ever talked to who used Irix liked it. The GUI is about 500x more usable than the horrors of OpenWindows or CDE on Solaris.. bleugh.
...at Wolf 359 ;)
This article is something like 10 small paragraphs long as an introduction to setting up and running (for a short while now) Linux. It is hardly worth the average Slashdot reader's time.
Why? Got something more pressing to deal with? Is your microwave macaroni cheese getting cold? I'd hardly consider surfing Slashdot a 'time critical' experience... sheesh.
Its gonna take some serious effort to get me off using Red Hat Linux. The latest versions, teamed with enterprise level RHN accounts make running multiple servers a dream.. I don't have any complaints with the product or the support, and their sales people are really friendly as well.
:)
Can't wait to do my RH253 course with them next month
"Linux could still be used; it just wouldn't be free," Stowell said. "These people are upset because they've been enjoying a free ride for some time. They're upset their free ride will potentially be gone."
Maybe he needs to be reminded about GPL and what it stands for. I hate to tell you this Blake, but you and your bullshit company will get annhilated by IBM.
It sickens me that companies (and people) like this feel that potential threats to their business can potentially be converted into revenue streams simply because they have (in the short term at least) money to throw away on lawyers and big threats.
I hope IBM leave the judicial equivilant of a smouldering crater where the SCO office stood.
Um... the downloadable driver installer will actually compile a kernel module up for you if you aren't running a kernel that it already has a module for!!
Installed their driver on RH9 with the latest Red Hat kernel and it didn't have a prebuilt module for it.. so it downloaded some source and built one.
The Nvidia driver has consistently worked really well for me btw, across multiple systems that I have used it on.
Its something I thought about doing for a bit of fun.. but even though sites generally always say its perfectly safe if you set it up properly, I have this nagging doubt that i'd come back into my room and find my computer turned into an electrical water feature.
:)
That and the fact that every forum I ever read where people discuss their water cooling solutions, they always jest about times when they have found they sprung a leak and found puddles of water at the bottom of their case.
No thanks
Wow.. now that is pretty scary.
:|
UK never gets particularly powerful quakes, and any even noticable ones I have always slept through because they always seem to occur at night.
Don't think i'd be liking that kinda quake though!!
Agreed.. I just went through to options and found where I could turn off Caldera related posts - it took me all of 10 seconds.
/. publishes :D
But as I want to see SCO humilated, then I plan on reading every SCO story
I only ever want to hear about SCO a few more times.. in the Slashdot stories detailing how IBM has annhilated them in court, and how Mr McBride has been dragged through the streets and pelted with rotten fruit and vegetables :)