Why GTK#? Honestly, GTK is probably one of the worst toolkit for real cross platform development. The Windows port of GTK sucks. This WiMP thing (Or whatever it's called - it makes GTK app to some degree look like native Windows apps) is not that great. The performance of the GTK(WIMP) apps' GUI is noticeable lower than a native GUI.
Under Mac OS X it's even worse. GTK only works under X11. This means no Aqua look & feel. No copy and paste or drag'n'drop between native OSX apps and GTK apps. Even keyboard shortcuts are different.
Why didn't you chose something like wxWidgets? At least wxWidgets offers native GUIs under any platforms it runs. wxWidgets or any other toolkit that offers real platform independence. Or: With all these XML GUIs under.NET (like XAML) Ximian could've used Mozilla's XUL toolkit and have better multi platform integration than GTK.
Also - from what I've read on the mailing list archives - Mono only works sometimes on BSD systems.
What kind of independence is this? You are only focused on x86-Linux running GNOME.
Ximian does not seem really interested in real platform CocoaSharp. Stuff like Qt# (for KDE users), CocoaSharp, and other cross platform develpment is not done by any Ximian guy, but from contributors.
Both pads, PS2 and GC, are good. Yes, GC's button layout is odd, but not in a bad way. It depends on the game. With most games it makes almost no difference. Some games like beat'em'ups or Tony Hawk work better with a classic button layout like the PS2 has. Other games like Metroid Prime make perfect use of the GC pad - a PS2 pad wouldn't work with that game.
as far as donkey konga, this is a new release. sega and sony have been doing it for years. nintendo is FINALLY following them. Yes, but I doubt that this single genre is so important that it makes a difference.
with sony connectivity is more important because sony makes all kinds of electronics. nintendo doesn't. So what? Sony said the focus will be PSP-PS2 (PS3?) connetivitiy. That's exactly what Nintendo does.
as for adult vs kids games... you name a handful of non-kiddy nintendo games. and thats the point. there are only a handful of those games. Wrong. Most multi-platform games are released on all 3 consoles. NfS Underground, Tony Hawk, LOTR, Soul Calibur 2, Burnout 2, Splinter Cell, PoP Sands of Time, Medal of Honor, Red Faction, the Star Wars games... heck even those crap games like Enter the Matrix. When a few titles like GTA are not released on GC, then it doesn't mean that GC only has a few of those games.
You're mixing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd parties - eg. Super Monkey Ball is from Sega, not Nintendo. What's so kiddy about F-Zero? The pilots look a bit strange, but have you ever seen SciFi on TV? Lots of aliens there look even stranger.
Going to ATI for the graphics chipset, they'd have to make it compatible with all of the NVidia chipset games. That's why MS uses DirectX in the XBox.
And I'm not sure if I'm correct about this one or not, but weren't they going to IBM for a PowerPC processor instead of an x86 Intel processor? MS has licensed some technology from IBM. This doesn't tell anything about the CPU instruction set.
''Competitors Sony and Microsoft have [..] turned their game consoles into karaoke machines [..]. Nintendo, meanwhile, has stuck to a philosophy that people who buy and play video games enjoy the familiar and care little for such gimmickry.'' Riigghht...
''Sony also made a clever move in allowing games designed for the original PlayStation to be playable on the PlayStation 2 [...]. The GameCube cannot play Nintendo video games made for older-model machines.'' Nintendo's next console (aka N5) will play GameCube games.
''The company proclaimed that the Game Boy Advance would be a 'Trojan horse' for the GameCube - but that Trojan horse never opened because very few game designers have figured out cool ways to take advantage of that connectivity.'' Yeah, this is why Sony copies this connectivity thing with the upcoming PSP, right?
Quote from The Register:
''And like Nintendo, "connectivity" is a real buzzword for Sony. With PSP's USB 2.0 port, the handheld will be able to connect to the PS2 and other PSP consoles''
''Nintendo has focused many of its titles on the preteen and teenage gamer.
By contrast, Xbox, often seen as the cutting-edge choice for older gamers''
Nintendo GameCube has lots of kiddy games like the Resident Evil series, Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, Mortal Kombat, True Crime, etc.,while Sony and MS only have various mature games like this splatter game or that hard hardcore game..
I'm so l33t that I don't have anything to do with those Eternal Mortal Evil Crime kiddy games on GameCube...;-)
I'd never buy a game console. They're too limiting.
What do you think a game console is for? Cleaning your dishes? I find desktop computers too limiting. Yeah, I can surf the internet, write letters and so on, but in my opinion ALMOST ALL CURRENT PC GAMES SUCK. I don't need 374732 tactical ego shooters. I don't need as many sport games. That's why I bought a GameCube. I want fun games - not the same crap over and over again. In this autumn/winter season more great games have been and will be released for GameCube than for PCs in a year. Soul Calibur 2, Viewtiful Joe, F-Zero GX, SSX 3, Tales of Symphonia, Metal Gear Solid - Twin Snakes, Baten Kaitos, Mario Kart - Double Dash, Sonic Heroes, Final Fantasy - Crystal Chronicles, Phantasy Star Online 3, Zelda - Four Swords Plus, True Crime, Prince of Persia - Sands of Time (also available on PC),... And GB Player owners can even add lots of GBA games to the list.
Yeah right, tons of great games are very limiting....
I have a problem with this whole thing. It's the NPL. about: still says ''Copyright (c) 1998-2002 by Contributors to the Mozilla codebase under the Mozilla Public License and Netscape Public License.''
According to the NPL ''[...] Netscape may choose to reintegrate such code into Covered Code without being required to distribute such code in Source Code form, even if such code would otherwise be considered ''Modifications'' under this License.''
Correct me, if I'm wrong, because my English skills may not be the best. This means, that AOL/Netscape does (still) have the right to use Mozilla code in their own products without the need to release the source of modified Mozilla files? AOL fired all developers, spends no more mony in the development, and still has the right to do whatever AOL wants with the source?
The Mozilla Relicensing FAQ says:
''Why didn't you completely eliminate use of the NPL?
Because we don't yet have all the necessary permissions from AOL Time Warner that we would need in order to do so.''
Didn't AOL transfer all Mozilla copyrights from Netscape to the Mozilla Foundation? If yes, then the Mozilla Foundation should finally get rid of the NPL.
Yes, WM is just "the other format" in most cases, but WM is almost everywhere "the other format". Streamming: WM and Real. Where's MPEG4? Yes, there are also MPEG4-Streams, but compared to WM and Real, there are only a few MPEG4-Streams.
DVD Players: WMA (sometimes even WMV) is often supported besides MPEG1/2. Compare that to the numbre of DVD Players that support MPEG4 (AAC, DivX,...).
And so on.
See the difference? WM (WMA or WMV) is almost everywhere. WM didn't take over in a particular market. True, but WM is waayy stronger in the overall market than eg. MPEG4.
Huh? Every MP3 player (except iPod) supports Windows Media. Almost every DVD Player supports Windows Media. Windows Media is (together with Real Media) the most common format for streaming.
GC2 will be the first Nintendo console to feature backward compatibility
Well... at least in theory SNES was also compatible with NES games. SNES uses an updated NES CPU and it was originally Nintendo's plan to sell some kind of adapter like Sega's Master System --> Mega Drive or Master System --> Game Gear. That adapter was never officially released, but there was an unofficial NES --> SNES adapter called Super 8/Tri-Star.
and will also feature an IBM chip
Motorola could also make a PPC chip for compatibility. Doesn't need to be the CPU, but some co-processor.
BTW, this really isn't a surprise, VMWare has been more of a performance leader, especially with their 'tools' for the guest OSes.
Think of it as Microsoft being nice to VMWare and giving them the Linux Guest OS market.:)
Well, there's a small differnce: Since VMware has its own custom emulated graphics card, Guest OS Tools (drivers) are needed. Virtual PC emulates a real card (S3 Trio, I think). With VPC these tools just make the life a little easier (drag and drop from Host Desktop to Guest Desktop), but aren't needed. You can still exchange data using a virtual network.
So what? IIRC NetBSD, OpenBSD and many others were never on that list. Why was there never a/. story like "OpenBSD not supported by Connectix!" or "FreeDOS not supported by Connectix!"? Why does every sentence containing the words "Linux" and "Microsoft" get a/. story?
So who really cares? That drop-dows menu is just a cosmetic thing and I never liked it anyway (the defaults of some values were IMHO somewhat strange).
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"Ximian does not seem really interested in real platform CocoaSharp."
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should be: "Ximian does not seem really interested in real platform independence."
Sorry, I messed with the clipboard.
Why GTK#? Honestly, GTK is probably one of the worst toolkit for real cross platform development.
The Windows port of GTK sucks. This WiMP thing (Or whatever it's called - it makes GTK app to some degree look like native Windows apps) is not that great. The performance of the GTK(WIMP) apps' GUI is noticeable lower than a native GUI.
Under Mac OS X it's even worse. GTK only works under X11. This means no Aqua look & feel. No copy and paste or drag'n'drop between native OSX apps and GTK apps. Even keyboard shortcuts are different.
Why didn't you chose something like wxWidgets? At least wxWidgets offers native GUIs under any platforms it runs. wxWidgets or any other toolkit that offers real platform independence.
Or: With all these XML GUIs under
Also - from what I've read on the mailing list archives - Mono only works sometimes on BSD systems.
What kind of independence is this? You are only focused on x86-Linux running GNOME.
Ximian does not seem really interested in real platform CocoaSharp. Stuff like Qt# (for KDE users), CocoaSharp, and other cross platform develpment is not done by any Ximian guy, but from contributors.
This shouldn't be called Gentoo MacOS its should be called Gentoo Darwin
As the FA clearly states, Gentoo MacOS in the future not only be used to install unixy apps, but also "real" OSX apps like Dashboard widgets.
It starts? The last update is fom Feb 2003. Looks like it stopped again to me.
Both pads, PS2 and GC, are good. Yes, GC's button layout is odd, but not in a bad way. It depends on the game. With most games it makes almost no difference.
Some games like beat'em'ups or Tony Hawk work better with a classic button layout like the PS2 has.
Other games like Metroid Prime make perfect use of the GC pad - a PS2 pad wouldn't work with that game.
written from scratch? looks like a modified version of the Q2 engine to me (screenshots).
Guilty Gear X2. It's 2D.
As others already pointed out: GameCube + GameBoy Player is Propably the ideal combination for 2D games.
Yeah, Pikmin rocks. Initial release was AFAIK not this year, but I bought it this year. :)
Since GTA was also mentioned, I'd say Metroid Prime (released this year in Europe).
I haven't played Viewtiful Joe, but it looks very stylish. And the 2004 style award will propably go to killer7.
as far as donkey konga, this is a new release. sega and sony have been doing it for years. nintendo is FINALLY following them.
Yes, but I doubt that this single genre is so important that it makes a difference.
with sony connectivity is more important because sony makes all kinds of electronics. nintendo doesn't. So what? Sony said the focus will be PSP-PS2 (PS3?) connetivitiy. That's exactly what Nintendo does.
as for adult vs kids games... you name a handful of non-kiddy nintendo games. and thats the point. there are only a handful of those games. Wrong. Most multi-platform games are released on all 3 consoles. NfS Underground, Tony Hawk, LOTR, Soul Calibur 2, Burnout 2, Splinter Cell, PoP Sands of Time, Medal of Honor, Red Faction, the Star Wars games... heck even those crap games like Enter the Matrix.
When a few titles like GTA are not released on GC, then it doesn't mean that GC only has a few of those games.
You're mixing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd parties - eg. Super Monkey Ball is from Sega, not Nintendo.
What's so kiddy about F-Zero? The pilots look a bit strange, but have you ever seen SciFi on TV? Lots of aliens there look even stranger.
BTW: Eternal Darkness is also not on you list.
Going to ATI for the graphics chipset, they'd have to make it compatible with all of the NVidia chipset games.
That's why MS uses DirectX in the XBox.
And I'm not sure if I'm correct about this one or not, but weren't they going to IBM for a PowerPC processor instead of an x86 Intel processor?
MS has licensed some technology from IBM. This doesn't tell anything about the CPU instruction set.
''Competitors Sony and Microsoft have [..] turned their game consoles into karaoke machines [..]. Nintendo, meanwhile, has stuck to a philosophy that people who buy and play video games enjoy the familiar and care little for such gimmickry.''
Riigghht...
''Sony also made a clever move in allowing games designed for the original PlayStation to be playable on the PlayStation 2 [...]. The GameCube cannot play Nintendo video games made for older-model machines.''
Nintendo's next console (aka N5) will play GameCube games.
''The com pany proclaimed that the Game Boy Advance would be a 'Trojan horse' for the GameCube - but that Trojan horse never opened because very few game designers have figured out cool ways to take advantage of that connectivity.''
Yeah, this is why Sony copies this connectivity thing with the upcoming PSP, right?
Quote from The Register:
''And like Nintendo, "connectivity" is a real buzzword for Sony. With PSP's USB 2.0 port, the handheld will be able to connect to the PS2 and other PSP consoles''
''Nintendo has focused many of its titles on the preteen and teenage gamer. By contrast, Xbox, often seen as the cutting-edge choice for older gamers'' ;-)
Nintendo GameCube has lots of kiddy games like the Resident Evil series, Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, Mortal Kombat, True Crime, etc.,while Sony and MS only have various mature games like this splatter game or that hard hardcore game..
I'm so l33t that I don't have anything to do with those Eternal Mortal Evil Crime kiddy games on GameCube...
I agree about Metroid Prime 2 and Metroid Zero Mission. I'd also add Tales of Symphonia, Baten Kaitos, and killer7 to the list.
killer7, Baten Kaitos (release outside of Japan not sure, but likely), and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (despite of the name) are not sequels - yet many GameCube owners await them. :)
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I'd never buy a game console. They're too limiting.
What do you think a game console is for? Cleaning your dishes?
I find desktop computers too limiting. Yeah, I can surf the internet, write letters and so on, but in my opinion ALMOST ALL CURRENT PC GAMES SUCK. I don't need 374732 tactical ego shooters. I don't need as many sport games.
That's why I bought a GameCube. I want fun games - not the same crap over and over again. In this autumn/winter season more great games have been and will be released for GameCube than for PCs in a year. Soul Calibur 2, Viewtiful Joe, F-Zero GX, SSX 3, Tales of Symphonia, Metal Gear Solid - Twin Snakes, Baten Kaitos, Mario Kart - Double Dash, Sonic Heroes, Final Fantasy - Crystal Chronicles, Phantasy Star Online 3, Zelda - Four Swords Plus, True Crime, Prince of Persia - Sands of Time (also available on PC),...
And GB Player owners can even add lots of GBA games to the list.
Yeah right, tons of great games are very limiting....
about: still says ''Copyright (c) 1998-2002 by Contributors to the Mozilla codebase under the Mozilla Public License and Netscape Public License
According to the NPL ''[...] Netscape may choose to reintegrate such code into Covered Code without being required to distribute such code in Source Code form, even if such code would otherwise be considered ''Modifications'' under this License.''
Correct me, if I'm wrong, because my English skills may not be the best. This means, that AOL/Netscape does (still) have the right to use Mozilla code in their own products without the need to release the source of modified Mozilla files? AOL fired all developers, spends no more mony in the development, and still has the right to do whatever AOL wants with the source?
The Mozilla Relicensing FAQ says:
''Why didn't you completely eliminate use of the NPL?
Because we don't yet have all the necessary permissions from AOL Time Warner that we would need in order to do so.''
Didn't AOL transfer all Mozilla copyrights from Netscape to the Mozilla Foundation? If yes, then the Mozilla Foundation should finally get rid of the NPL.
Yes, WM is just "the other format" in most cases, but WM is almost everywhere "the other format".
Streamming: WM and Real. Where's MPEG4? Yes, there are also MPEG4-Streams, but compared to WM and Real, there are only a few MPEG4-Streams.
DVD Players: WMA (sometimes even WMV) is often supported besides MPEG1/2. Compare that to the numbre of DVD Players that support MPEG4 (AAC, DivX,...).
And so on.
See the difference? WM (WMA or WMV) is almost everywhere. WM didn't take over in a particular market. True, but WM is waayy stronger in the overall market than eg. MPEG4.
Do I like that situation? No. Is it reality? Yes.
Huh? Every MP3 player (except iPod) supports Windows Media.
...so, yes.
Almost every DVD Player supports Windows Media.
Windows Media is (together with Real Media) the most common format for streaming.
That adapter was never officially released, but there was an unofficial NES --> SNES adapter called Super 8/Tri-Star.
Motorola could also make a PPC chip for compatibility. Doesn't need to be the CPU, but some co-processor.
BTW, this really isn't a surprise, VMWare has been more of a performance leader, especially with their 'tools' for the guest OSes.
:)
Think of it as Microsoft being nice to VMWare and giving them the Linux Guest OS market.
Well, there's a small differnce: Since VMware has its own custom emulated graphics card, Guest OS Tools (drivers) are needed.
Virtual PC emulates a real card (S3 Trio, I think). With VPC these tools just make the life a little easier (drag and drop from Host Desktop to Guest Desktop), but aren't needed. You can still exchange data using a virtual network.
So what? /. story like "OpenBSD not supported by Connectix!" or "FreeDOS not supported by Connectix!"? Why does every sentence containing the words "Linux" and "Microsoft" get a /. story?
IIRC NetBSD, OpenBSD and many others were never on that list. Why was there never a
So who really cares? That drop-dows menu is just a cosmetic thing and I never liked it anyway (the defaults of some values were IMHO somewhat strange).
Because it has been released on the GBA.
Um... Metal Gear Solid - The Twin Snakes will be released only for GameCube, not the PS2.
But Linux, AIX, NetBSD, and other operating systems (especially Windows) are NOT designed to run primarily on ppc.
Who cares? If 64Bit Linux peforms better than 32Bit Mac OS X on 64Bit PPC CPUs then Linux is better for this situation (servers) than Mac OS X.
My argument is that there is a better os for the ppc than Linux and that IBM is just barking about Linux to make noise.
There's also AIX, not only Linux.