Why yes.. yes there are. Just like there are criminals all over the place too, but largely higher concentrations of them in the seedier areas of cities and such. I avoid those seedier areas as well. Hell I wouldn't care if Einstein himself lived in the middle of a crime ridden city. I would't visit. That boy would be on his own... although he seemed a pretty smart guy and probably would have left on his own. On the other hand, having a high IQ often leads to insanity as is proven here on slashdot day after day.
I for one will be quite happy to live out here in the country and take my chances with the 2 or 3 neighbors I can identify while I wander the web in search of signs of alien life. Jesus I hope geocities doesn't mean "hot teen sex" in martian.
You might think that the analogy of paying to put one's dick into some woman (who has had a thousand other dicks in her) versus the Kiwis paying a professional company to provide a solid IT infrastructure is a good one.
Are you new to the IT business or did you miss it when the support contract/salespeople did their presentations on mahogany row? It's a REALLY good analogy.
Wow, I got moderated as a troll for calling something like I see it and actually having the balls to express it in public. Must be an evolution dev had mod points today.
I haven't stepped through the licenses for Intel drivers so I'm really asking an innocent question here.
Is the license making redistribution of those drivers impossible or merely distasteful to the package managers? (ie: Debian if it aint 199% free it aint here)
Sometimes the zealots (boy I hate using that word but it fits here) do more to hold their distributions back than the manufacturers themselves. Nobody is going to force a profit generating company to do something that will minimally effect their bottom line. Period. The linux userbase just isn't large enough to create that level of impact, and the zealots--there it is again--aren't helping.
Ok, I'll grant you that. Maybe linux itself is ready for the desktop, but even the default distribution applications aren't ready for the desktop. They're (mostly) poorly written applications sitting on top of gtk or Qt or other core libraries that can change at any given moment. Sure that's not that far away from Win32 in that regard, but it does seem that with distributions as a whole it happens far more often, even within the distributions themselves. I run FC4 (yes I know it's going to break just because it's supposedly bleeding edge) and the last update has Evolution so broken that you can't even close an email without it crashing and wanting to start that god-awful bugbuddy that never works.
No, the current state of the linux [distributions] are not ready for the desktop. Gnome is not ready, KDE isn't ready. There's still too many geekisms and stuff that just doesn't work properly.
Don't get me wrong, I still use FC4 on my desktop. I know enough about the system to get around the quirks. If I foisted it on my mother, I'd be firmly smacked in the head.
It's not somebody making stupid "rules." I don't think that any particular company has a policy against silly names:)
It is a perception issue that goes down to the core of human nature. Sure, if somebody stands up to them, and drills it through their head that the product is fine, but has a wierd name it might fly.
My son is one of those baggy pants, tattoed--must express my individuality types. A lot of people think he's going to rob them blind and steer clear of him in stores and on the streets. I know he's a good kid and actually has a good head on his shoulders even if he doesn't show it in public. It takes quite a while for some of my friends to see that as well, but I don't hold them responsible for how they feel. It's human nature. I'd be a bit leary of him too if I didn't already know better.
I guess the thing is that you make it seem somewhat like I'm against all these projects. I'm actually FOR them. I'd love to see many of these projects implemented in the business world so they could actually have the impact they deserve to make!
We're not going to change the suits so what's the harm in maybe toning down the silliness of the names? If either of the groups are going to succeed, somebody has to make the first concession. Yes, I'm sure you'll say that the suits should, and maybe that's true. I don't know the answer to that. I still get snickers at professional meetings when I mention I'm using those packages, distributions and what not. They work, so I keep using them, I'll even keep recommending them but that's not going to change the attitudes in the boardrooms where these decisions are ultimately made.
As a side note, clippy was irritating as well as poorly named, BOB was just plain ill conceived. Those were products that should never have really made it out of planning.
I'd much rather be considered an idiot by your opinion than my own. If you read in my original post (rather than launch into a childish name calling fest) you would have noticed that I said these products should be judged by their merits and not their name, but it *is* the way of the world. Bear in mind the way of the world is not always the flowery, huggy, lovable fuzzy good feeling that is apparently your world.
Why should you care what other people think? Market penetration. If you want to be taken seriously in a serious world, you have to play by those rules. Silly names impart a lack of professionalism. Get over it. It's wrong, it happens and life goes on. Application developers CAN do something about the perception they have of their products.
Now you may call me an idiot again, but that's ok as it only makes me feel better about my own position in that at least I don't agree with yours. Like me however, you're free to have your opinion without my calling you names.
you make the assumption that I don't. Of course I don't constantly harass the manufacturers but when I have issues with their devices I don't have a problem with contacting them about it.
I don't have that particular joy unless I tell my camera it's a HDD device. Works great in windows as a camera, not linux.
I also have a fairly recent, but not brand new Logitech webcam that linux won't use. Won't use a webcam from about 2 yrs ago either (I can't remember the brand)
Device support in linux is getting better, but it's far from good. It seems that if you want a device to function in linux, it's got to be geek friendly--meaning if the geeks aren't drawn to it, it won't be supported because of attrition.
What is with the linux (and OSS world in general) with picking the most godawful, unprofessional and embarassing names possible for their stuff?
Come on! Can you imagine going to a professional conference and admitting that you run "gobolinux?"
not me. hell most of the time when asked I tell 'em I'm forced to be a mostly windows shop and have a few *coughcough*fedora*coughchoke* machines on the network. All these cutesy application names just serve to make boardrooms and administration folks not take the otherwise perfectly fine application seriously. No it's not right because they should be judged on their merits, but it is the way of the world none the less.
I could tell you that Sealand manufactures chocolate phallic marital aids in one of the back rooms at their data center. Because wikipedia doesn't specifically state that they dont.. does that make me the authority on Sealands underworld sex industry? Does it make it true?
The lack of generally available information by another source doesn't make the original an authority, even if it's seemingly correct. Sealand does have a website, and by the very nature of it being produced by the principals, would indicate THAT to be the definitive source.
and why do people continue to fall for it and beat the already dead horse into a bloody pulp? It's slashdot man. It's what's done here.
Of course I make sure I read it in the early morning so I can get my perspective on the world right up front. It's good to start your day with a healthy embarassment for being associated with the people around you. (even web 'communities')
While you may represent one group of individuals in this situation, there are many others who *do* know people that will burn them, or people that already do know how--and are quite willing to go about it. Sure, lots of times they're kids that may not have the financial resources available to purchase the games legitimately. (my son would much rather have the actual disc than a copy just for the 'status'). Oddly enough if I have the cash I buy it for him. If I don't we wait.
The assumption that because one individual is modding the consoles for a reasonably legitimate purpose makes it all ok, and anyone who disagrees an idiot is about the same as poking your head in the sand and claiming that you define the worlds use of modded Xbox's.
I'm not trying to piss you off or piss anyone else off, I'm merely stating that you're one of a handful (perspectively) of the good guys wandering around in a bad guy's world. Unfortunately you're one of the exceptions to the rule.
Might be a real good idea to hold off on calling people names until you think over your position about being the definition of something when you're the exception to it.
Make note of the post above. Once a company's daily advertising budget it blown, the ad no longer shows for that day. Check back at midnight and click again... and again.
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Why yes.. yes there are. Just like there are criminals all over the place too, but largely higher concentrations of them in the seedier areas of cities and such. I avoid those seedier areas as well. Hell I wouldn't care if Einstein himself lived in the middle of a crime ridden city. I would't visit. That boy would be on his own... although he seemed a pretty smart guy and probably would have left on his own. On the other hand, having a high IQ often leads to insanity as is proven here on slashdot day after day.
I for one will be quite happy to live out here in the country and take my chances with the 2 or 3 neighbors I can identify while I wander the web in search of signs of alien life. Jesus I hope geocities doesn't mean "hot teen sex" in martian.
I wonder what Epicor http://www.epicor.com/www/products/manufacturing/v ista will have to say about that. As far as I know, this is a current product (even if it is a real piece of crap IMO)
Are you new to the IT business or did you miss it when the support contract/salespeople did their presentations on mahogany row? It's a REALLY good analogy.
yes.
Wow, I got moderated as a troll for calling something like I see it and actually having the balls to express it in public. Must be an evolution dev had mod points today.
I haven't stepped through the licenses for Intel drivers so I'm really asking an innocent question here.
Is the license making redistribution of those drivers impossible or merely distasteful to the package managers? (ie: Debian if it aint 199% free it aint here)
Sometimes the zealots (boy I hate using that word but it fits here) do more to hold their distributions back than the manufacturers themselves. Nobody is going to force a profit generating company to do something that will minimally effect their bottom line. Period. The linux userbase just isn't large enough to create that level of impact, and the zealots--there it is again--aren't helping.
Ok, I'll grant you that. Maybe linux itself is ready for the desktop, but even the default distribution applications aren't ready for the desktop. They're (mostly) poorly written applications sitting on top of gtk or Qt or other core libraries that can change at any given moment. Sure that's not that far away from Win32 in that regard, but it does seem that with distributions as a whole it happens far more often, even within the distributions themselves. I run FC4 (yes I know it's going to break just because it's supposedly bleeding edge) and the last update has Evolution so broken that you can't even close an email without it crashing and wanting to start that god-awful bugbuddy that never works.
No, the current state of the linux [distributions] are not ready for the desktop. Gnome is not ready, KDE isn't ready. There's still too many geekisms and stuff that just doesn't work properly.
Don't get me wrong, I still use FC4 on my desktop. I know enough about the system to get around the quirks. If I foisted it on my mother, I'd be firmly smacked in the head.
Every fourth sheet. Followed immediately by "Grasp firmly here" (for the benefit of the next participant)
I think you might be interested in this political party (please oh please identify the humor)
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http://www.ironycentral.com/scorchedearth/faq.htm
With the state of television programming as it stands I'm not altogether sure I want to be able to see it that clearly in the first place.
Then again, I read a lot so it won't affect me that much.
When they come up with something like this
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http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic
THEN I'll be impressed. ok.. so I am already, but hey.
Awesome stuff though!
It's not somebody making stupid "rules." I don't think that any particular company has a policy against silly names :)
It is a perception issue that goes down to the core of human nature. Sure, if somebody stands up to them, and drills it through their head that the product is fine, but has a wierd name it might fly.
My son is one of those baggy pants, tattoed--must express my individuality types. A lot of people think he's going to rob them blind and steer clear of him in stores and on the streets. I know he's a good kid and actually has a good head on his shoulders even if he doesn't show it in public. It takes quite a while for some of my friends to see that as well, but I don't hold them responsible for how they feel. It's human nature. I'd be a bit leary of him too if I didn't already know better.
I guess the thing is that you make it seem somewhat like I'm against all these projects. I'm actually FOR them. I'd love to see many of these projects implemented in the business world so they could actually have the impact they deserve to make!
We're not going to change the suits so what's the harm in maybe toning down the silliness of the names? If either of the groups are going to succeed, somebody has to make the first concession. Yes, I'm sure you'll say that the suits should, and maybe that's true. I don't know the answer to that. I still get snickers at professional meetings when I mention I'm using those packages, distributions and what not. They work, so I keep using them, I'll even keep recommending them but that's not going to change the attitudes in the boardrooms where these decisions are ultimately made.
look what happened to those products as well.
As a side note, clippy was irritating as well as poorly named, BOB was just plain ill conceived. Those were products that should never have really made it out of planning.
Their names merely secured their fate.
the figurative me. (sorry I didn't specify)
I'd much rather be considered an idiot by your opinion than my own. If you read in my original post (rather than launch into a childish name calling fest) you would have noticed that I said these products should be judged by their merits and not their name, but it *is* the way of the world. Bear in mind the way of the world is not always the flowery, huggy, lovable fuzzy good feeling that is apparently your world.
Why should you care what other people think? Market penetration. If you want to be taken seriously in a serious world, you have to play by those rules. Silly names impart a lack of professionalism. Get over it. It's wrong, it happens and life goes on. Application developers CAN do something about the perception they have of their products.
Now you may call me an idiot again, but that's ok as it only makes me feel better about my own position in that at least I don't agree with yours. Like me however, you're free to have your opinion without my calling you names.
you make the assumption that I don't. Of course I don't constantly harass the manufacturers but when I have issues with their devices I don't have a problem with contacting them about it.
I don't have that particular joy unless I tell my camera it's a HDD device. Works great in windows as a camera, not linux.
I also have a fairly recent, but not brand new Logitech webcam that linux won't use. Won't use a webcam from about 2 yrs ago either (I can't remember the brand)
Device support in linux is getting better, but it's far from good. It seems that if you want a device to function in linux, it's got to be geek friendly--meaning if the geeks aren't drawn to it, it won't be supported because of attrition.
This opinion is my own, make me an offer.
What is with the linux (and OSS world in general) with picking the most godawful, unprofessional and embarassing names possible for their stuff?
Come on! Can you imagine going to a professional conference and admitting that you run "gobolinux?"
not me. hell most of the time when asked I tell 'em I'm forced to be a mostly windows shop and have a few *coughcough*fedora*coughchoke* machines on the network. All these cutesy application names just serve to make boardrooms and administration folks not take the otherwise perfectly fine application seriously. No it's not right because they should be judged on their merits, but it is the way of the world none the less.
I could tell you that Sealand manufactures chocolate phallic marital aids in one of the back rooms at their data center. Because wikipedia doesn't specifically state that they dont.. does that make me the authority on Sealands underworld sex industry? Does it make it true?
The lack of generally available information by another source doesn't make the original an authority, even if it's seemingly correct. Sealand does have a website, and by the very nature of it being produced by the principals, would indicate THAT to be the definitive source.
and why do people continue to fall for it and beat the already dead horse into a bloody pulp? It's slashdot man. It's what's done here.
Of course I make sure I read it in the early morning so I can get my perspective on the world right up front. It's good to start your day with a healthy embarassment for being associated with the people around you. (even web 'communities')
While you may represent one group of individuals in this situation, there are many others who *do* know people that will burn them, or people that already do know how--and are quite willing to go about it. Sure, lots of times they're kids that may not have the financial resources available to purchase the games legitimately. (my son would much rather have the actual disc than a copy just for the 'status'). Oddly enough if I have the cash I buy it for him. If I don't we wait.
The assumption that because one individual is modding the consoles for a reasonably legitimate purpose makes it all ok, and anyone who disagrees an idiot is about the same as poking your head in the sand and claiming that you define the worlds use of modded Xbox's.
I'm not trying to piss you off or piss anyone else off, I'm merely stating that you're one of a handful (perspectively) of the good guys wandering around in a bad guy's world. Unfortunately you're one of the exceptions to the rule.
Might be a real good idea to hold off on calling people names until you think over your position about being the definition of something when you're the exception to it.
Oddly it was closer to topic than many of the replies actually posted here. Congratulations!
Make note of the post above. Once a company's daily advertising budget it blown, the ad no longer shows for that day. Check back at midnight and click again... and again.
*sigh* another wikipedia source cited as the great authority.
great social experiment guys, but not exactly the authority of the wealth of universal knowledge.
Think "Don't Panic"
It should be mod'd up to +5. That'll fix him!