I love that idea and think you're on to something.
If your typical antisocial player is of legal age and wants to go to the trouble of opening a new charge account once he or she is out of their existing credit cards then that makes it an additional pain in the ass. Sooner or later they're going to run out of options and simply be out of the game.
Hopefully they're so into trying to screw people's game up that they keep applying for new credit cards and closing old ones in order to keep doing it. Eventually they've got so many inquiries on the credit record that they can't get credit anywhere and the interest rate on the cards they do have goes up.
In the case of a juvenile turd they're going to have to keep asking mom and dad for a different card number and copy of the game which might lead to a phone call from the annoyed parent to the people in charge asking why the game they paid so much money for their kid to play has banned him. Then they get to learn that their kids an asshole who doesn't play well with others and they can take it from there if they're so inclined.
Oh Microsoft gets it. They wouldn't be saying crap like this if they didn't get it. The question is when are the people still using IE going to get it.
When are they going to learn that IE isn't "The Internet"? When are they going to replace a bad tool with a good one. Stupid blurbs like this one keep the doubt in uninformed peoples minds and keep IE on top of the pile. Microsoft gets it just fine.
That's not entirely true. You're making an assumption that there's no limit to the price he's willing to pay for the "value" of the iBook and he never said that. There's a price point where the additional headache of running that Dell with Windows XP Home becomes an acceptable thing. I'd say that $50,000 is far above what any sane person would pay for an iBook and at that price it would be a poor value.
All he's saying is that the lack of issues he'd get with an iBook is worth the additional cost. The difference in cost isn't nearly as astronomical as in your example.
Yes, I've noticed the same thing here in the US when fuel prices go up. When they drop the price of fuel (which also never seems to return to it's former price completely) the prices almost never drops back to it's former level.
But what about when transportation prices don't just go down? What would happen if transportation prices vanished entirely?
Replicators being tightly regulated by governments and/or corporations would probably be the norm. Universal ownership would have some seriously cool ramifications but at the same time it could turn into a huge mess very quickly.
Playing pretend though and assuming that a replicator is something that takes the world by storm and that it doesn't result in someone teleporting a nuke into the oval office, I think companies wouldn't cease to exist so much as cease to be companies that make things. They'd all become IP companies instantly.
This of course leads to most everyone involved in making anything suddenly being without a job as was already mentioned. On the other hand if they all had replicators they certainly wouldn't go hungry (Computer, Tea, Earl Gray, Hot, and a Corn Dog please, no Mustard).
Also in many instances it seems only reasonable that certain items might be freely replicated. Food for instance would be free at this point. If everyone could use the copying function of a replicator then most of us would be buying our last tube of toothpaste for some time as well as many other everyday items. That may or may not come to an end once toothpaste sales started heading towards zero. The fight between companies that make things and consumers who bought one and then copied it forever would be a real mess to try and sort out. I'd like to think that a whole lot of the everyday things might enter the "public domain" as a result of this. Can you imagine a replicator users bill of rights ensuring that citizens can legally replicate basic items they need unrestrained?
Companies that used to make stereo equipment would suddenly be in the business of designing and making a handful of a particular model which they would then throw into the replicator to transform into a pattern. They'd never again have to produce their products on a large scale. They'd only need to produce one perfect one and then sell the pattern. What do people with no jobs buy it with though?
The economic upheaval would be pretty massive. It would be a total economic reboot.
Imagine open source replicator patterns popping up. Anybody who wanted to make something cool could create it, turn it into a pattern, and give it away if they wanted to.
Strange stuff. I don't think I can completely get my head around what the world would be like, which is probably another good indication that man ain't ready for this kind of stuff yet.
Yeah, we're probably not ready for it just yet but there's positives from a Teleporter/Replicator world too. The cost of just about everything decreases for starters. With no more costs involved in transporting anything instantly you would be looking at cheaper merchandise across the board. Just because people could teleport that wouldn't stop them from wanting a new iPod or set of DVD's. We would still make things and those things would become cheaper.
Sure there would still be cars but the people would be driving them because they wanted to, not because they had to. Same with airplanes but of course you're right about the demise of airlines. Frankly (and maybe it's a bit cold of me) I don't anticipate missing them much. Boats would still be around too. Like everything else involved in transportation boats would become leisure items.
Add a Replicator into the mix and you're really talking about things costing nothing. Instead of having to buy most things you'd pay for the "pattern" so your replicator could make that. Then you'd get all messed up with DRM and people would be downloading Rolex patterns off of P2P networks. Companies all over the world would be fighting an unwinnable war against every kind of pirate you can think of.
But then of course someone creates a pattern of a nuke and madcap terrorist antics ensue.
Bad Idea, nevermind I don't want a teleporter or a replicator.
Nope. Clearly a lot of us hopeful geeks read it that way.
Man, I'm sooooo ready for my own personal teleporter. I want to wake up at 7:00AM (instead of the usual 5:30AM), get ready and eat breakfast, then start my morning commute at around 8:00AM (instead of the usual 6:30AM), arriving at my desk at something like 8:00AM (as opposed to the usual 8:15AM).
I want to come home for lunch too but still get my whole hour.
I want to buy a car that's price doesn't reflect the cost of shipping it to the dealership, or the parts that made it to the factory where it was built. I want to....well, you get the idea.
A Replicator would be nice too so if you're feeling generous Santa come on down!
They cloned human embryos and found some hobbit skeletons so obviously these two great we need to get these two groups together and make with the cloning of hobbit embryos!
The kid was wrong but honestly, a lot of people said a lot of messed up stuff "not too long after 9/11". This isn't striking, it's surprisingly common regardless of what his last name started with.
To a rather large portion of the United States the Arab world is defined by the relative handful of times anything in it got their attention. That would go something like "Arab oil embargo, Iranian hostage crisis, Lebanon Marine barracks bombing, Gulf War I, World Trade Center bombing, 9/11, and Gulf War II." To so many here in the US the Middle East is a) The Holy Land, b) Terrorist World, and c) Oil World.
A lot of people in the US want the Arab world to just go away. Note I did not say that they want to destroy the Arab world, it's people, nations, or religon. They just want it to go away in that vague, strange, and seemingly unique American sense. Think of it like the way they think of where the garbage truck takes their trash. They leave it on the curb, a big truck comes along and picks it up and takes it to the magical land of "Away".
They only think of the Arab world when it presents a problem and they want the problem out of their face. It's stupid and naive but I believe it's essentially the way a good number of people think and feel.
My point I guess is that citing the way an American idiot teenager thinks about Arabs in 2001-2002 is probably not going to give you a completely accurate picture of how Americans feel about immigrants in general. It's in reference to a particular ethnic group/region.religon that Americans in general were highly agitated over at the time and the incident represents a very small percentage of the population. A lot of incidents happened like this vandalized mosque, true. A lot of mosques were not vandalized and overall Americans behaved themselves.
Apple was completely forthcoming regarding what songs would play on the iPod. The list of supported formats is easy enough to find. I am curious as to why you believe that Apple is supposed to support any type of file you can manage to shoe horn into an iPod?
People buying songs from Real and planning to play them on their iPod are thus fucking morons, and you I believe are simply looking for something post about that gives you the opportunity to use the word "fanboy" repeatedly. Get over your Apple-hate man and go get yourself some iTunes!
Here we just let users pluck a password out their asses and keep it forever when I started. It had been that way since the dawn of time at this company and nobody wanted to change it. Admittedly we don't have much in the way of truly sensitive information but it was pretty lax.
Finally we said ok, this is going to have to change in some way and we instituted some basic requirements. Minimum number of characters, must contain at least one capital letter and at least one lower case letter. Very simple right? Not much more effective than we had before either. Say a users password had been "austin" before the change. That user simply changed it to "Austin1". I swear I think sometimes every knucklehead working here did that. At one time the support people here (all two of us) knew everyones password by heart. Now when we aren't sure we try the old one with a capital letter at the beginning and the number "1" on the end and it works most of the time. When we get to the point where they have to change it again I'm betting it's going to change to "2".
We've talked about forcing them to get complex but all that's going to do is generate a couple hundred post-it's with passwords written on them at the various desks.
Erode the human species into non-existence? I think you greatly overestimate the value in the (relative) handful of persons who'd rather live in a holodeck with a replicator.
The rest of the human race will go on doing exactly what they always did and move forward (slowly of course) sans-holodeck.
And I'm not trying to belittle you in any way. I'm possibly going to end my days in a holodeck with a replicator too in your scenario.
Computer. "Load program Swedish Bikini Team number 14 please. "Irresistable Me" protocol will be in effect and crank me up some waffles while you're at it!"
Two people have already poked holes in your claim and then been followed by a third so there's no reason for me to do so. I just wanted to add that you're a fucktard.
Offtopic? quite possibly, Troll? not really but I can see how it might be interpreted that way. Flamebait? I don't think so.
That is in fact totally correct. If "Joe Trailerpark" is faced with a consequence along the lines of a 6 month prison stretch then he's going to take that into account when deciding whether he really wants to make that fast cash and certainly it sounds harsh. That's why it works. Is Joe Trailerpark a "criminal" though? Probably not but that's exactly why this could be effective.
I have a law enforcement background (8 years of MP work in the army followed by another 5 years in civilian law enforcement) and this reminds me of something I learned many years ago in one of the endless ongoing training courses I sat through. The subject was capital punishment as a deterrant but the basic idea still fits.
We went over a series of case studies with interviews that clearly showed that the death penalty was not in any way a deterrant to the people who had consented to be interviewed. They either never considered it or the idea that they might be caught and sentenced to death for doing what they did was in no way a factor when they made the decision to commit the crime.
When another series of interviews were done with people who agreed to discuss the death penalty most of the respondent stated that they would consider the possiblity of being put to death a big factor in whether they would commit a murder regardless of the circumstances. They also were very much under the illusion that having a death penalty in place helped reduce the number of murders.
Basically it comes down to the mindsets of criminals being very different from the mindsets of the average person. A harsh sentence deters those who in most cases wouldn't do it to begin with and barely registers with the people who would. In Joe Trailerparks case finding out whether he decides to spam in the face of prison time will be pretty revealing. Some of them, probably a majority of them will be deterred from doing it. Others, probably far fewer, regardless of how harsh the penalty may be will do it anyway.
For some reason the only thing I can think of when I read "too often scientists will ask themselves "can I do this", instead of "should I do this?" is....
"Yeah, but John, if the Pirates of the caribbean breaks down, the pirates don't eat the tourists."
Not sure how that connects but well, there it is. Are the Pirates animatronic bodies using stem cells maybe?
Slightly more functionality? Hardly. Find me a $50 CD player that I can stuff three or four audio books in to listen to non-stop while driving across the country please. I'd like one since it would keep me from having to buy another $400 iPod to put in my wife's car since she keeps stealing mine.
Capacity man. You can't beat capacity. Just the that alone puts the iPod easily past "slightly more functionality".
It sounds to me like the spyware infected PC had a "scorched earth policy" type OS rebuild in it's immediate future then anyway. Backing up data before doing an service pack update as written about as XP-SP2 would seem to me to be a no-brainer here. Back up data, try to install the service pack, rebuild if your machine's so bogged down that it can't survive the update, then restore.
I question that. Not the "hell of a lot more" part literally but the definition of "hell of a lot more". A lot more what exactly? A lot more hard drive space? A lot more RAM? Maybe it's a lot more Mhz? Yes it's good to get more for less but at some point you cross a level called "enough" and in my mind both PC's and Macs are pretty far past that now. In fact for most uses they're well into "more than enough".
It's a "use what you like" type of thing. I've spent years with x86 machines and now a couple of years with Macs. I still have and use both. I liked using the Mac and OSX enough on an old beige G3 to lay down the money to get the (then) top of the line G5 last year. My advice to anyone who doesn't want to get "infected" with the desire to run OSX is to stay away from them. It doesn't take long to get you thinking that it's worth it.
Because it's a jealously guarded secret. If it were to slip into popular culture and everyone knew about it then it would become a UPN television series starring beautiful twenty-somethings portraying beautiful teenage versions of the characters in the comic book. To transcend it's own genre it would have to be cheapened and it's just not worth the risk.
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I love that idea and think you're on to something.
If your typical antisocial player is of legal age and wants to go to the trouble of opening a new charge account once he or she is out of their existing credit cards then that makes it an additional pain in the ass. Sooner or later they're going to run out of options and simply be out of the game.
Hopefully they're so into trying to screw people's game up that they keep applying for new credit cards and closing old ones in order to keep doing it. Eventually they've got so many inquiries on the credit record that they can't get credit anywhere and the interest rate on the cards they do have goes up.
In the case of a juvenile turd they're going to have to keep asking mom and dad for a different card number and copy of the game which might lead to a phone call from the annoyed parent to the people in charge asking why the game they paid so much money for their kid to play has banned him. Then they get to learn that their kids an asshole who doesn't play well with others and they can take it from there if they're so inclined.
Oh Microsoft gets it. They wouldn't be saying crap like this if they didn't get it. The question is when are the people still using IE going to get it.
When are they going to learn that IE isn't "The Internet"? When are they going to replace a bad tool with a good one. Stupid blurbs like this one keep the doubt in uninformed peoples minds and keep IE on top of the pile. Microsoft gets it just fine.
That's not entirely true. You're making an assumption that there's no limit to the price he's willing to pay for the "value" of the iBook and he never said that. There's a price point where the additional headache of running that Dell with Windows XP Home becomes an acceptable thing. I'd say that $50,000 is far above what any sane person would pay for an iBook and at that price it would be a poor value.
All he's saying is that the lack of issues he'd get with an iBook is worth the additional cost. The difference in cost isn't nearly as astronomical as in your example.
In Soviet Russia.... oh nevermind.
I can't help but think this guy did a hack job on the Mac case.
Yes, I've noticed the same thing here in the US when fuel prices go up. When they drop the price of fuel (which also never seems to return to it's former price completely) the prices almost never drops back to it's former level.
But what about when transportation prices don't just go down? What would happen if transportation prices vanished entirely?
Replicators being tightly regulated by governments and/or corporations would probably be the norm. Universal ownership would have some seriously cool ramifications but at the same time it could turn into a huge mess very quickly.
Playing pretend though and assuming that a replicator is something that takes the world by storm and that it doesn't result in someone teleporting a nuke into the oval office, I think companies wouldn't cease to exist so much as cease to be companies that make things. They'd all become IP companies instantly.
This of course leads to most everyone involved in making anything suddenly being without a job as was already mentioned. On the other hand if they all had replicators they certainly wouldn't go hungry (Computer, Tea, Earl Gray, Hot, and a Corn Dog please, no Mustard).
Also in many instances it seems only reasonable that certain items might be freely replicated. Food for instance would be free at this point. If everyone could use the copying function of a replicator then most of us would be buying our last tube of toothpaste for some time as well as many other everyday items. That may or may not come to an end once toothpaste sales started heading towards zero. The fight between companies that make things and consumers who bought one and then copied it forever would be a real mess to try and sort out. I'd like to think that a whole lot of the everyday things might enter the "public domain" as a result of this. Can you imagine a replicator users bill of rights ensuring that citizens can legally replicate basic items they need unrestrained?
Companies that used to make stereo equipment would suddenly be in the business of designing and making a handful of a particular model which they would then throw into the replicator to transform into a pattern. They'd never again have to produce their products on a large scale. They'd only need to produce one perfect one and then sell the pattern. What do people with no jobs buy it with though?
The economic upheaval would be pretty massive. It would be a total economic reboot.
Imagine open source replicator patterns popping up. Anybody who wanted to make something cool could create it, turn it into a pattern, and give it away if they wanted to.
Strange stuff. I don't think I can completely get my head around what the world would be like, which is probably another good indication that man ain't ready for this kind of stuff yet.
Yeah, we're probably not ready for it just yet but there's positives from a Teleporter/Replicator world too. The cost of just about everything decreases for starters. With no more costs involved in transporting anything instantly you would be looking at cheaper merchandise across the board. Just because people could teleport that wouldn't stop them from wanting a new iPod or set of DVD's. We would still make things and those things would become cheaper.
Sure there would still be cars but the people would be driving them because they wanted to, not because they had to. Same with airplanes but of course you're right about the demise of airlines. Frankly (and maybe it's a bit cold of me) I don't anticipate missing them much. Boats would still be around too. Like everything else involved in transportation boats would become leisure items.
Add a Replicator into the mix and you're really talking about things costing nothing. Instead of having to buy most things you'd pay for the "pattern" so your replicator could make that. Then you'd get all messed up with DRM and people would be downloading Rolex patterns off of P2P networks. Companies all over the world would be fighting an unwinnable war against every kind of pirate you can think of.
But then of course someone creates a pattern of a nuke and madcap terrorist antics ensue.
Bad Idea, nevermind I don't want a teleporter or a replicator.
I could however like an iPod and a Rolex.
Nope. Clearly a lot of us hopeful geeks read it that way.
Man, I'm sooooo ready for my own personal teleporter. I want to wake up at 7:00AM (instead of the usual 5:30AM), get ready and eat breakfast, then start my morning commute at around 8:00AM (instead of the usual 6:30AM), arriving at my desk at something like 8:00AM (as opposed to the usual 8:15AM).
I want to come home for lunch too but still get my whole hour.
I want to buy a car that's price doesn't reflect the cost of shipping it to the dealership, or the parts that made it to the factory where it was built. I want to....well, you get the idea.
A Replicator would be nice too so if you're feeling generous Santa come on down!
They cloned human embryos and found some hobbit skeletons so obviously these two great we need to get these two groups together and make with the cloning of hobbit embryos!
I want a pet hobbit!
The kid was wrong but honestly, a lot of people said a lot of messed up stuff "not too long after 9/11". This isn't striking, it's surprisingly common regardless of what his last name started with.
To a rather large portion of the United States the Arab world is defined by the relative handful of times anything in it got their attention. That would go something like "Arab oil embargo, Iranian hostage crisis, Lebanon Marine barracks bombing, Gulf War I, World Trade Center bombing, 9/11, and Gulf War II." To so many here in the US the Middle East is a) The Holy Land, b) Terrorist World, and c) Oil World.
A lot of people in the US want the Arab world to just go away. Note I did not say that they want to destroy the Arab world, it's people, nations, or religon. They just want it to go away in that vague, strange, and seemingly unique American sense. Think of it like the way they think of where the garbage truck takes their trash. They leave it on the curb, a big truck comes along and picks it up and takes it to the magical land of "Away".
They only think of the Arab world when it presents a problem and they want the problem out of their face. It's stupid and naive but I believe it's essentially the way a good number of people think and feel.
My point I guess is that citing the way an American idiot teenager thinks about Arabs in 2001-2002 is probably not going to give you a completely accurate picture of how Americans feel about immigrants in general. It's in reference to a particular ethnic group/region.religon that Americans in general were highly agitated over at the time and the incident represents a very small percentage of the population. A lot of incidents happened like this vandalized mosque, true. A lot of mosques were not vandalized and overall Americans behaved themselves.
I want to see the parody of this ad. Someone out there has to do a good Microsoft parody of this.
Apple was completely forthcoming regarding what songs would play on the iPod. The list of supported formats is easy enough to find. I am curious as to why you believe that Apple is supposed to support any type of file you can manage to shoe horn into an iPod?
People buying songs from Real and planning to play them on their iPod are thus fucking morons, and you I believe are simply looking for something post about that gives you the opportunity to use the word "fanboy" repeatedly. Get over your Apple-hate man and go get yourself some iTunes!
Here we just let users pluck a password out their asses and keep it forever when I started. It had been that way since the dawn of time at this company and nobody wanted to change it. Admittedly we don't have much in the way of truly sensitive information but it was pretty lax.
Finally we said ok, this is going to have to change in some way and we instituted some basic requirements. Minimum number of characters, must contain at least one capital letter and at least one lower case letter. Very simple right? Not much more effective than we had before either. Say a users password had been "austin" before the change. That user simply changed it to "Austin1". I swear I think sometimes every knucklehead working here did that. At one time the support people here (all two of us) knew everyones password by heart. Now when we aren't sure we try the old one with a capital letter at the beginning and the number "1" on the end and it works most of the time. When we get to the point where they have to change it again I'm betting it's going to change to "2".
We've talked about forcing them to get complex but all that's going to do is generate a couple hundred post-it's with passwords written on them at the various desks.
Clearly you haven't seen the big package. 4.6GB download soon to be released under the name "Big Bird".
They ain't leavin nuthin out of that one. You won't even need an operating system to run it. It's all in the package!
Erode the human species into non-existence? I think you greatly overestimate the value in the (relative) handful of persons who'd rather live in a holodeck with a replicator.
The rest of the human race will go on doing exactly what they always did and move forward (slowly of course) sans-holodeck.
And I'm not trying to belittle you in any way. I'm possibly going to end my days in a holodeck with a replicator too in your scenario.
Computer. "Load program Swedish Bikini Team number 14 please. "Irresistable Me" protocol will be in effect and crank me up some waffles while you're at it!"
Well thanks for keeping me up the rest of the night you insensitive clod!
It just so happens that I AM A SHEETMETAL WORKER!
Two people have already poked holes in your claim and then been followed by a third so there's no reason for me to do so. I just wanted to add that you're a fucktard.
Offtopic? quite possibly, Troll? not really but I can see how it might be interpreted that way. Flamebait? I don't think so.
True? not a doubt in my mind.
Funny of course but honestly ask yourself, will it be worth the ensuing battle? Dude, the zealots are going to jump on this like white on rice.
That is in fact totally correct. If "Joe Trailerpark" is faced with a consequence along the lines of a 6 month prison stretch then he's going to take that into account when deciding whether he really wants to make that fast cash and certainly it sounds harsh. That's why it works. Is Joe Trailerpark a "criminal" though? Probably not but that's exactly why this could be effective.
I have a law enforcement background (8 years of MP work in the army followed by another 5 years in civilian law enforcement) and this reminds me of something I learned many years ago in one of the endless ongoing training courses I sat through. The subject was capital punishment as a deterrant but the basic idea still fits.
We went over a series of case studies with interviews that clearly showed that the death penalty was not in any way a deterrant to the people who had consented to be interviewed. They either never considered it or the idea that they might be caught and sentenced to death for doing what they did was in no way a factor when they made the decision to commit the crime.
When another series of interviews were done with people who agreed to discuss the death penalty most of the respondent stated that they would consider the possiblity of being put to death a big factor in whether they would commit a murder regardless of the circumstances. They also were very much under the illusion that having a death penalty in place helped reduce the number of murders.
Basically it comes down to the mindsets of criminals being very different from the mindsets of the average person. A harsh sentence deters those who in most cases wouldn't do it to begin with and barely registers with the people who would. In Joe Trailerparks case finding out whether he decides to spam in the face of prison time will be pretty revealing. Some of them, probably a majority of them will be deterred from doing it. Others, probably far fewer, regardless of how harsh the penalty may be will do it anyway.
For some reason the only thing I can think of when I read "too often scientists will ask themselves "can I do this", instead of "should I do this?" is....
"Yeah, but John, if the Pirates of the caribbean breaks down, the pirates don't eat the tourists."
Not sure how that connects but well, there it is. Are the Pirates animatronic bodies using stem cells maybe?
Oh fucking blow me. What you know about Americans could probably fit on the head of your dick.
Slightly more functionality? Hardly. Find me a $50 CD player that I can stuff three or four audio books in to listen to non-stop while driving across the country please. I'd like one since it would keep me from having to buy another $400 iPod to put in my wife's car since she keeps stealing mine.
Capacity man. You can't beat capacity. Just the that alone puts the iPod easily past "slightly more functionality".
It sounds to me like the spyware infected PC had a "scorched earth policy" type OS rebuild in it's immediate future then anyway. Backing up data before doing an service pack update as written about as XP-SP2 would seem to me to be a no-brainer here. Back up data, try to install the service pack, rebuild if your machine's so bogged down that it can't survive the update, then restore.
I question that. Not the "hell of a lot more" part literally but the definition of "hell of a lot more". A lot more what exactly? A lot more hard drive space? A lot more RAM? Maybe it's a lot more Mhz? Yes it's good to get more for less but at some point you cross a level called "enough" and in my mind both PC's and Macs are pretty far past that now. In fact for most uses they're well into "more than enough".
It's a "use what you like" type of thing. I've spent years with x86 machines and now a couple of years with Macs. I still have and use both. I liked using the Mac and OSX enough on an old beige G3 to lay down the money to get the (then) top of the line G5 last year. My advice to anyone who doesn't want to get "infected" with the desire to run OSX is to stay away from them. It doesn't take long to get you thinking that it's worth it.
Because it's a jealously guarded secret. If it were to slip into popular culture and everyone knew about it then it would become a UPN television series starring beautiful twenty-somethings portraying beautiful teenage versions of the characters in the comic book. To transcend it's own genre it would have to be cheapened and it's just not worth the risk.
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