As far as I can interperet, Flat rate means "the same price for everyone, period". If there are limits on total usage, they must be advertised along with the "$39.95 a month" tagline that's so popular. I don't have a problem with limits, but they MUST be advertised along with the pricing. "X$/Month" with no qualifiers implies no limits.
As some of my other replies should indicate, I agree that the P2P'ers etc should be throttled, but it HAS to be spelled out. To let Time Warner spring this by suprise when their advertising doesn't give any indication of such billing would set a very bad precident indeed.
I remember this happening with dialup, I only had to jump once before I went to ISDN and later cable.
I think the real problem with this story is we are given no definition of "excessive usage".
Signed Binary Diffs would be great. I CVS stuff that's critical or vulnerable, but I'd love to save the compile time on packages that are written by teams that I trust.
I will wager though, that out of the 800 MBs of patches that you're quoting, probably 90% of them aren't security related, and depending on the development cycle on the project, half of whats left is probably redundant "3 builds in a day" stuff.
And critical updates of Windows 2000 server are well over the 30 Megs you're quoting for Win 98. Just trying to compare servers to servers.
Now this angle I can support. I never set servers up (I would like to remote my home box from work but I'm a bit paranoid about getting hacked). I'm just worried that Gaming would wind up being a bandwidth issue. Since that's 80% of my entertainment(yea I have no life, whatever), I'd be less than pleased to have to cut back.
PS: all those who want to reply that I should read a book, etc.: I have an entire room dedicated to a library. I just read real fast...
The problem is, it's not marketed that way. Its marketed as FLAT-RATE. any change without proper notification (and I don't mean third-party news stories) and I guarantee some shark lawyer is going to be spoiling for a class-action. Not saying that would be right, but Time Warner needs to cover its ass. my potential DSL connection is a pathetic 512K (I'm mainly worried because I'm an avid MMORPG player, Dark Age of Camelot) but I'd take that over a doubled fee, if I'm guaranteed a FLAT RATE.
I don't do a whole lot of file downloading (apart from Linux ISOs, which I usually pull at work, since it's my job to do things like that anyway) but as a Time Warner customer, who was sold a product that was advertised at a FLAT RATE, I want some details before I decide whether to shit-can all time warner products in favor of satelitte and DSL.
Someone who just does email and web wouldn't notice a difference between 56K analog and cable access if it wasn't for bloated Flash advertising and other such useless nonsense...
Precisely. If I go into such a theatre with a sign saying "warning, if your guard smashes my cell phone, I will go out to my car, get my pistol, and shoot him in the face", I'm not going to expect to be spending the evening at home if such a chain of events were to occur...
Disclaimers do not allow violation of the law, and last I heard, intentionally crashing computer equipment owned by others was a Denial of Service, and a terrorist action under the Patriot Act, (yea I'm a bit fuzzy there, but it sounds nice)
Mozilla works quite well in the "never trust content from macromedia" respect. All it will do is display a puzzle piece icon in place of the flash object, which if you click on it (or mouse-over I forget which), will offer to install the plugin. I never get prompted. I started looking for a new browser on my windows boxes when I got the prompts you mention. I had previously used Explorer for windows, and Konq on Linux, now I use Mozilla on both.
I would like to see Macromedia work to eliminate some of the ways in which Flash has been abused. At this point, I have removed the Flash plugins from my computers, and refuse to install them for any reason. No site has content compelling enough for me to subject myself to annoying intros, ads that refuse to stop animating, and the even more intrusive stuff that's out there. If they'd castr^K^K^K^K^Kcauturize the "features" that cause the abuse, I'd be more willing to view some of the mildly entertaining content out there. As it is, I have a VMware image that has a browser with flash installed for the things I _really_ want to see. For my day-to-day browsing, Flash ist verbotten on mein Komputer! (or is that meine, I can never get the article right... )
If you're going to use a Heinlein quote for Evil, get it right, please...
And for the record, look at the date on the story, it's got to be an April Fools joke, possibly misreported a couple times over. If they actually tried that, they'd be DOS'ed out of existance...
I just checked and whatever spam they're trying to send me goes to my Yahoo account, which I never check anyhow. Even better, when morbid curiousity got me to peek at the mountain of unread junk, I got a page indicating that the email portion of the account had been de-activated since I havent logged in in 4 months, and that anything being sent to it was bouncing to sender:-) the page then offers to re-activate if I want, I couldn't decide whether tons of bounces or storing their own unread spam would be more painful, so I just left it off...
Agreed. I subscribed at the $60/year level, and I wouldn't use Star Office if it was free (not a flame, I just don't have a use for it). My only beef with the way the club works is that I was under the mistaken impression I would get priority downloads of ISOs, rather than of some commercial demos. Still, at least now my conscience won't make me run to the store and pick up the boxed distro...
Mandrake 8.1 is the first distro I haven't had to jump through hoops to get working on my Vaio z505sx. I had to enter one boot parm for the CD-rom controller, and everything else just worked. I've paid for every Mandrake release I've installed (lost count).
Incorrect. I work for a large software company that has a relationship with Dell, and I can tell you that they still consider Linux very important. A portion of my testing responsibilities are directly related to querys from Dell as to whether or nor we work with a given version of Redhat.
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That's one thing this bill would effectively accomplish... outlawing electronics as a hobby.
This doesn't appear to have anything to do with Copyright, however. If someone imports a piece of HARDWARE, what do you think they're going to do, copy it illegally?
I can think of a number of reasons why they might want to restrict hardware vendors, misguided as it may be, but this isn't a DMCA issue.
This is more along the lines of the vendor IDs used for PS/2 (the IBM computer, not the Sony device) MicroChannel hardware. of course, look at what happened to MicroChannel...
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It does when its advertised that way. :/
As far as I can interperet, Flat rate means "the same price for everyone, period". If there are limits on total usage, they must be advertised along with the "$39.95 a month" tagline that's so popular. I don't have a problem with limits, but they MUST be advertised along with the pricing. "X$/Month" with no qualifiers implies no limits.
As some of my other replies should indicate, I agree that the P2P'ers etc should be throttled, but it HAS to be spelled out. To let Time Warner spring this by suprise when their advertising doesn't give any indication of such billing would set a very bad precident indeed.
I remember this happening with dialup, I only had to jump once before I went to ISDN and later cable.
I think the real problem with this story is we are given no definition of "excessive usage".
Signed Binary Diffs would be great. I CVS stuff that's critical or vulnerable, but I'd love to save the compile time on packages that are written by teams that I trust.
I will wager though, that out of the 800 MBs of patches that you're quoting, probably 90% of them aren't security related, and depending on the development cycle on the project, half of whats left is probably redundant "3 builds in a day" stuff.
And critical updates of Windows 2000 server are well over the 30 Megs you're quoting for Win 98. Just trying to compare servers to servers.
This is another excellent point. If they're going to meter, then there should be a mechanism to punish spammers.
Mod the parent up, please. This is an excellent point.
Now this angle I can support. I never set servers up (I would like to remote my home box from work but I'm a bit paranoid about getting hacked). I'm just worried that Gaming would wind up being a bandwidth issue. Since that's 80% of my entertainment(yea I have no life, whatever), I'd be less than pleased to have to cut back.
PS: all those who want to reply that I should read a book, etc.: I have an entire room dedicated to a library. I just read real fast...
The problem is, it's not marketed that way. Its marketed as FLAT-RATE. any change without proper notification (and I don't mean third-party news stories) and I guarantee some shark lawyer is going to be spoiling for a class-action. Not saying that would be right, but Time Warner needs to cover its ass. my potential DSL connection is a pathetic 512K (I'm mainly worried because I'm an avid MMORPG player, Dark Age of Camelot) but I'd take that over a doubled fee, if I'm guaranteed a FLAT RATE.
I don't do a whole lot of file downloading (apart from Linux ISOs, which I usually pull at work, since it's my job to do things like that anyway) but as a Time Warner customer, who was sold a product that was advertised at a FLAT RATE, I want some details before I decide whether to shit-can all time warner products in favor of satelitte and DSL.
Someone who just does email and web wouldn't notice a difference between 56K analog and cable access if it wasn't for bloated Flash advertising and other such useless nonsense...
Precisely. If I go into such a theatre with a sign saying "warning, if your guard smashes my cell phone, I will go out to my car, get my pistol, and shoot him in the face", I'm not going to expect to be spending the evening at home if such a chain of events were to occur...
Disclaimers do not allow violation of the law, and last I heard, intentionally crashing computer equipment owned by others was a Denial of Service, and a terrorist action under the Patriot Act, (yea I'm a bit fuzzy there, but it sounds nice)
Considering he has a .uk website, I don't think he's exactly waiting for the FBI to kick his door in ;)
Mozilla works quite well in the "never trust content from macromedia" respect. All it will do is display a puzzle piece icon in place of the flash object, which if you click on it (or mouse-over I forget which), will offer to install the plugin. I never get prompted. I started looking for a new browser on my windows boxes when I got the prompts you mention. I had previously used Explorer for windows, and Konq on Linux, now I use Mozilla on both.
I would like to see Macromedia work to eliminate some of the ways in which Flash has been abused. At this point, I have removed the Flash plugins from my computers, and refuse to install them for any reason. No site has content compelling enough for me to subject myself to annoying intros, ads that refuse to stop animating, and the even more intrusive stuff that's out there. If they'd castr^K^K^K^K^Kcauturize the "features" that cause the abuse, I'd be more willing to view some of the mildly entertaining content out there. As it is, I have a VMware image that has a browser with flash installed for the things I _really_ want to see. For my day-to-day browsing, Flash ist verbotten on mein Komputer! (or is that meine, I can never get the article right... )
Then they have just committed corporate suicide. Glad I don't hold any of their stock...
Excuse me, but that's TANSTAAFL
"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"
If you're going to use a Heinlein quote for Evil, get it right, please...
And for the record, look at the date on the story, it's got to be an April Fools joke, possibly misreported a couple times over. If they actually tried that, they'd be DOS'ed out of existance...
I just checked and whatever spam they're trying to send me goes to my Yahoo account, which I never check anyhow. Even better, when morbid curiousity got me to peek at the mountain of unread junk, I got a page indicating that the email portion of the account had been de-activated since I havent logged in in 4 months, and that anything being sent to it was bouncing to sender :-) the page then offers to re-activate if I want, I couldn't decide whether tons of bounces or storing their own unread spam would be more painful, so I just left it off...
Agreed. I subscribed at the $60/year level, and I wouldn't use Star Office if it was free (not a flame, I just don't have a use for it). My only beef with the way the club works is that I was under the mistaken impression I would get priority downloads of ISOs, rather than of some commercial demos. Still, at least now my conscience won't make me run to the store and pick up the boxed distro...
Mandrake 8.1 is the first distro I haven't had to jump through hoops to get working on my Vaio z505sx. I had to enter one boot parm for the CD-rom controller, and everything else just worked. I've paid for every Mandrake release I've installed (lost count).
Incorrect. I work for a large software company that has a relationship with Dell, and I can tell you that they still consider Linux very important. A portion of my testing responsibilities are directly related to querys from Dell as to whether or nor we work with a given version of Redhat.
That's one thing this bill would effectively accomplish... outlawing electronics as a hobby.
(offtopic reply: noted. Sure looked like one. d'oH)
I find your .sig interesting and insigtful in light of the content of your post.
Actually, Marvel awards No-Prizes :), or at least they did when I was young... (buddy of mine has the _empty_ envelope to prove it...)
And when the bnet.d folks started this, there also was no DMCA, IIRC
This doesn't appear to have anything to do with Copyright, however. If someone imports a piece of HARDWARE, what do you think they're going to do, copy it illegally?
I can think of a number of reasons why they might want to restrict hardware vendors, misguided as it may be, but this isn't a DMCA issue.
This is more along the lines of the vendor IDs used for PS/2 (the IBM computer, not the Sony device) MicroChannel hardware. of course, look at what happened to MicroChannel...
... to you both!
Love the sig. "Fish heads Fish heads, rolly polly fish heads, fish heads fish heads, eat them up, YUM.
hell the moderation nazis have me at -2 for no good reason. Why not
For one thing it would give me ammo to get my company to support Linux as a whole rather than testing our software just with Redhat.
I don't mean this as a flame, but if AOL buys RedHat, that will cheapen it as a business oriented distro. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.